EMERGENCY FRIDAY BROADCAST: Musk/Trump War Endangers Not Only The American Republic But Threatens To Bring Down West & Collapse Planet Into New Dark Age! Alex Jones, Roger Stone, & Others Break Exclusive Developments In The Potential MAGA Civil War! — MUST-WATCH/SHARE FULL SHOW 6/6/25

00:00 While other networks lie to you about what's happening now, InfoWars tells you the truth about what's happening next. Visit InfoWars.com forward slash show and support the InfoWars. Oh, I don't need to tell you this is going to be one hell of a broadcast. Very important. All hell has broken loose in Aga and beyond. Get ready. InfoWars. Tomorrow's news today. As we enter the 100th

00:39 And 37th day of the return of the American Republic and a real chance to save the West and the world. We are now less than 24 hours into the mega firestorm and the nightmare scenario that I have intensely warned of in the last couple years, but in the last six months intensely. In fact, have the archivist grab it just from like a couple months ago.

01:19 Where if the Trump administration and the American people and MAGA didn't back Musk when he was under unprecedented deep state attack, his family himself, his companies, analyzing his psychology, and I've become quite the expert on it, and his actions, it's very predictable. He could be turned against Trump. And I'll just say it, Musk has been basically hung out to dry

02:00 And not just gave up a lot of stuff that his company's earned in the market because of being targeted and him saying that it's conflicts of interest, but actually been hurt very, very bad. And so this was a real chink in the armor. And that's why I told listeners we would not have overcome the fraud they had begged in. Wouldn't have been a big enough landslide without Musk. He is the admitted game changer.

02:37 So I've been extremely thankful for that. So I'm in federal court while the Democrat Party is there just telling unprecedented lies about me, openly trying to shut down the company as usual. And I start getting the text coming in and screenshots what Elon said, it's like a punch in the stomach. Elon Musk drops really big bomb, accuses Trump of being in Epstein files. And that's why they're being suppressed as public brawl escalates. And then when the

03:14 Hearing ended an hour later, I ran outside in front of the courthouse and shot a lot of feet and gave my take on it. And I noticed everybody, almost everybody was asking, are you on Trump's side or my side? And I said, I'm on neither side. I'm on team humanity, which means I'm on the side of truth. And I said, I don't know what the truth is here, but I'm going to analyze all the pieces. And I said, it's going to take me a few hours to make some phone calls, talk to insiders, make my own assessment. The next hour I really focused on the information as we were driving back to Austin from Houston, gotten some phone calls with Roger Stone and others. And they basically said exactly what I had already come to the conclusion of before I told them what my conclusion was. And then I put out the different pieces. So if you want to know what's really going on, instead of a bunch of BS, you're going to find out right here. And I pretty much just told you what happened.

04:24 Elon feels betrayed and I would say that is a fair perspective he has. I don't think that's what it was intended to do, but that's what happened. Instead of being even rewarded for helping save the country, he got hung out to dry. We'll be right back. When first you don't succeed, try, try again. SpaceX is light years ahead of any space exploration and the history of it in the last 70 years, and is the Maverick's Maverick. And I am extremely thankful to Elon Musk for what he's done to help save or give us a real shot at saving the American Republic. Now, there's obviously a lot of media people and influencers on the so-called right, on the so-called left. They're going to take the things I say here out of context today and misrepresent small snippets of what I say.

05:33 Complex issues like this take a lot of understanding, a lot of research, a lot of connections, a lot of background to be able to accurately lay out what's really happening. And I had warned of the attacks on Elon by the deep state that if he wasn't properly defended, if he began to fall like dominoes, it would fall on all the other key Trump generals, literal and figurative, and that's the globalist strategy.

06:16 As soon as the news broke at about 1.30pm Central yesterday that Elon had taken his fight with Trump to the thermal nuclear level in the Infowar, and he was saying the really big bomb is that Trump's in the Epstein files, that's why they're suppressing him. Everyone began to ask me, are you on Elon or Trump's side? And I said, I'm on neither side. I'm on Team Humanity, which equals Team Truth. And I said, I predicted this would probably happen. A lot here on the air the last six months if we didn't defend Elon properly and then people say I will screw him Let's just be tribal Then they can go after the next big person and the next and the next and then cause a route. This is how history and politics and information war operates and so I then talked about the facts I knew and it's that I've deeply investigated Trump and any

07:28 connections to Epstein's criminal activity and found zero. And instead I found Trump being the first prominent person to begin to speak out against Epstein and to kick him out of Mar-a-Lago as a club member when it was brought to his attention that Epstein was trying to recruit 14, 15 year old girls. Roger Stone wrote a book about this in 2016, The Clintons War on Women and all about the Epstein CIA honeypot operation.

08:06 And so when I saw Elon say that, immediately, I could talk 10 hours on this one subject, but to give you the synopsis, if the Democrats had any real proof of Trump involved with underage girls with Epstein, you'd heard about it nine years ago. You would have heard about it four years ago. You'd heard about it last year. The few Jane Doe's that came out turned out to be fake names, fake people, actresses. It wasn't true. And the other woman saying he grabbed her by the vagina in a mall, that she was wearing a certain fancy outfit that wasn't even produced for two years later. Her attack, E. Jean Carroll, was the plot of a Law & Order episode, word for word. I've experienced what Democrats make up fake stories about me. They'll usually just lift it from some TV or movie program, they're so lazy. But, so I've seen hundreds of fake sex attacks on Trump.

09:15 So I said very early on, I said, Elon does not look physically good. I've been noticing that last month. He looks very distressed. I don't mean look sick. He looks just very unhappy and very distressed. And I know he's getting attacked from all sides. And for everything you hear about, there's a lot more you don't know about. That's the nature of this. I've experienced it myself, though not at Trump or his level, but pretty much third or fourth in line for the attacks. Because the more you're effective fighting evil, the more they come after you. So I said, looks like maybe kind of a nervous breakdown and really hammering Trump. And then Trump came out and said some things that are very concerning, but there's no clear answer at this point to all of this. The larger issue is that this type of civil war in MAGA and DOJ is the type of opportunity where the globalists, the Democrats, and the deep state who are being routed on every level

10:35 could grab partial victory from the jaws of their defeat. So when Elon says he's turned against Trump over the big beautiful bill, that's got some really good things in it, some really bad things in it. From my own perspective and Roger Stone is joining us here in about 20 minutes with exclusive information. That's really just the straw that broke the camel's back. No, it's a whole string of things where Elon did not get defended

11:17 in any meaningful way other than some rhetoric by the White House. And the Republicans moved in the last three, four months to encircle him and to actively sabotage his companies that already had all the dominant bids at SpaceX and Starlink, on and on and on, because they were the best bids and on average half the price of anybody else. There's not even competition. He's been so efficient and so innovative. So he went along with the EV mandate being taken and then his NASA guy got taken away and then he's gonna win any contracts at NASA because he's got the best delivery and price. So they're like, yeah, we're just gonna slash the NASA budget. Well, if he'd have backed Kamala Harris, they'd have probably doubled it. So instead of him just being left alone, not being given any favoritism, but just being allowed to operate, oh no, we can't ever let Elon do anything because that would be seen as favoritism when it's not.

12:29 And so from my sources, and that's what I already thought, that's why he is so angry. And you also have Trump saying, I asked him to leave. He'd really warned Finn. Okay, well, is that the truth? Or was Trump of hundreds of times even last week was saying bye to Elon. I asked him not to leave. He's really great. I mean, every time you heard that I don't want to leave. Elon said two weeks ago, I'm gonna stop funding politics pretty much for now. I've done what I needed to do and I'm gonna be leaving Doge. But you know the changes we put in will still be there. We're going to really fight to get these cuts that we've identified made of all this fraud. And it is true that it should be done in the decision bills that are coming into Congress next week. So at the end of the day,

13:36 Letting the Republican insiders in the party are always struggling over control and access. Isolate and cut off Elon. You now see isolating Doge and now the first rescission bill, nine billion out of over a trillion that was found. Show a hundred and how many days are we in now? Almost 140. Let's put it on screen, please. You can say that the massive momentum that we've seen from the 137th day starting is now slowing very quickly. And so that's not good news, but I would just be a cheerleader and a liar if I didn't say that. And I've been saying that for the last month, but this is really, really a sign of it slowing down and bogging down even quicker. And the swamp of the rhinos and neocons that are still a large portion

14:40 of the so-called Republicans clawing back into more and more control. Now, a silver lining to this is that this dangerous and destructive fight that should have been avoided, that I predicted, people ask, why are you cheerleading for Elon? Why are you defending Elon? Well, since he was president-elected, since he got in in January, six months ago,

15:22 I have said hundreds and hundreds of times pretty much every show, every broadcast that Elon is bringing real reform. And Elon is the most aggressive person we have for the things we really want, the things that I've promoted, other than Robert F. Kennedy Jr. And that's why I cheerlead him, because they're star players for us. And anybody could know how the globalist strategies work

16:02 that they were going after him, targeting him for destruction. So they could cut him out, then they'll be able to move on again to the next and cause a stampede. But the silver lining is this, the whole globalist system is ruled by corporate governmental committees that come up with policy ideas and put their puppets in. Klaus Schwab said we penetrate the cabinets. With Trump, you really got somebody who is calling the shots, doesn't mean the bureaucracy follows it all, but he really is the president. This is not ruled by committee. And with Mavericks in there like Musk, he's his own man and nobody just like Trump is telling him what to do. And so the fact that the two will attack each other, and the fact that Musk won't compromise and is known for being a very aggressive fighter in business and politics. And Trump is probably even more so. I mean, these are the two most prolific, aggressive,

17:19 Mavericks other than Vladimir Putin in the world. You see what you want about Putin? I mean, he's something else when it comes to staying power strategy long-term vision will look at the whole spectrum of leaders in the world. I mean, it's it's Trump. It's it's Elon Musk. It's Vladimir Putin and this just illustrates how real this revolution is and how real Trump and real Musk are now this said

18:09 I've seen a lot of mixed signals out of the DOJ on Epstein. And the Democrats were suppressing it and hiding it. And they did go three plus months ago and get the 14 terabytes. And they said there's hundreds of kids being abused and Epstein raping them and all this. And you don't announce that and raid that and then send it out to the FBI offices to investigate. It's what you're supposed to do in their jurisdictions if you're covering something up. But then now I'm told they're not really being pushed to investigate it.

18:46 Even though it's been sent out, they're like, okay, we'll send it out. It's like washing your hands like Pontius Pilate. But then talking to a bunch of my FBI sources on air and off that have been very accurate. They said, listen, most of the agents are scared to investigate this. You go after these powerful people, they come after you. And that's really what this is, is cowardice. From the top down to the bottom, most of the agents aren't pedophiles. Most of the agents aren't openly or actively corrupt. They go do their job. But you know, taking on, going and watching videos of billionaires raping, you know, and I'm talking a lot younger than what you've heard in the news, raping little kids, torturing them. How many of you, if you were an FBA agent, would volunteer? Because you have to volunteer for that. They don't make you go watch rape videos, snuff films, you name it. How many of you would then go and then do the investigation and then start trying to bring that to the

19:59 prosecutors. And I know Ed Martin, he's amazing, known him 20 plus years. He'll do it. That's what they're scared of. The problem is we don't have many people like Ed Martin. So I've watched what Bondi's done. Nope, they went and rated it, they went and got it. And then they said, okay, FBI, here it is to all your offices, you do it. And when Colonel Travis draws the line out there and says, anybody staying to fight a force at least 10 times bigger, step across the line,

20:40 Anybody who's not stay over there. Or maybe it was the other way around. I forget the actual history. The point is, is that we aren't the same people we used to be. All right? Now, I can't help what I do. My integrity and my courage aren't even integrity or courage. This is who I am, every cell of my body. I get the information, I'll put it out. No, I have no fear except of failure. And I don't say that to sound impressive. I've got the track record.

21:17 And that's why backing us is so important. That's why they want us off the air, cuz they know courage is contagious as well. Now Trump has said release the list and I know the FBI people that have been told it's his priority. No, Trump never abused any children. And I don't know if Elon got told that so he felt like he could do that. But it did seem like a thrashing and acting out. And I saw a bunch of other stuff that doesn't line up. And fine, I'll just cancel the

21:58 Starship project and you know all that when that's that's not what Trump's officially trying to do Though they are cutting the funding to it and that's Elon's baby He also wants to stabilize the country as his base because it'll collapse He has nowhere else to go. He's been open about that. People's always doing it for money. He's already got the money It'll be worthless if there's not a place to spend it and he didn't care about jewels and stuff he cares about innovation and science and in trailblazing I get it and The Republican establishment doesn't want him around, and so he's being screwed. And Trump could do a better job defending him. And I know now all Trump's advisors are telling him this, a lot of Republicans are scared now and realize they shouldn't have been cowards and gone along with this. Trump really wasn't even conscious of it. I can tell you Trump is beyond confident. He's not a megalomaniac. He's not on a power trip. He is just so confident and so zenned out

23:05 I mean this is what he says, he goes, I don't give a fuck. And even when Elon tried to do an olive branch and said, okay, yeah, it'd be better for the country if we come back together and do all this and reached out. Trump goes, yeah, I'll maybe talk to him tomorrow, that's today, told ABC. But yeah, he wants to talk to me, I don't know if I'll talk to him. Now it's good to have Trump that confident in his mission to take on the globalists and have world peace and all of it. It's a paradox where you want men that are this aggressive and confident, that's what leadership is. But the problem is you get a couple of those together, well, what do apex alphas do? They go to war with the other alphas. But if we're gonna become a type one civilization, meaning we can survive even if this planet was destroyed, you've gotta transcend that and still be aggressive about your policies and ideas and that you're right.

24:12 but turn off that instinct where you get upset and intimidated at a subconscious level by someone that you perceive is as competent as you or more competent in some areas. And I would say overall, must subserved his super alpha will, which you see manifest everywhere, my God. He's a one man mission to repopulate the earth and he's actually doing it. It isn't 15 kids, it's hundreds, okay? probably thousands to sperm donation. I mean, I'm gonna leave it at that. I mean, I know people that know him and like right around town. I mean, he like it's a duty for him to go to the sperm bank every couple of days and save the world. He's really upset about the IQ dropping all of it. It's something else. And he subserved that to Trump and took a lot of hits and then got patted on the head like he was a trained monkey or something. And that's what I've seen.

25:19 And look, I've had the same thing done to me at a lesser level. I don't even care. It's fine. But when I've been invited to the White House or Mar-a-Lago, I'm just like, you know, you guys are busy. I'm just going to stay right here. Because what I care about is policy. What I care about is getting stuff done, not standing around a tuxedo and feeling like I've arrived. Let me give you a little news flash. I arrived the day I was born. So I don't need outside validation, ladies and gentlemen. So overall, I love Trump. We're blessed to have him. I love Elon, we're blessed to have him. The Epstein thing is not true, I can just tell you that. And I don't say Elon's lying, he may have been given bad information, but there's a thousand other points I can make. Trump says I want Elon to stay, Elon's the best, Elon's the greatest, Elon's the greatest, even on his send off last week. Now Trump's like, I asked him to leave, he wore thin and Elon's like, that's not true, that's very hurtful, that's very sad. And

31:38 We had talked on air about this months ago that the V1 wasn't defended properly. If the Soros Democrat Party terror attacks, lawfare, disinformation, attacks on his family, his companies were successful. It would set the precedent then move to the next big Trump supporter and bring them down, then causing a route of his key Titan supporters as he tried to form his own power club to defend our populist movement, which we need that 90 plus percent of the billionaires in the world giving to Democrats and globalists. And I already had my view on this. Musk really was not just so much mad about so much spending in the big B beautiful bill, because that can be done on decisions and is about to be, but that in general,

32:29 The Republican establishment was moving in and pushing him out when he had sacrificed so much, including hundreds of billions of dollars in loss, worth 400 billion when he started endorsing Trump. Now he's worth 200 billion. He lost 100 and something billion yesterday coming after Trump and Tesla. Now it's going back up, it lost 14%, up about 6% right now. So I am eternally thankful to Musk. And the silver lining of all this shows you that MAGA is a real revolution of real independent people. We're not in a cult. where a lot of different people that you know have some of the same shared views of liberty and freedom. Obviously the Epstein thing we've never seen any evidence of that and I just think that's part of it acting out. Elon has looked very distressed the last month. But to give you the inside baseball on what's really going on here and are they going to have this call today and are they going to have a reproachment are they going to get back together. I think that's so important

33:28 Roger Stone, longtime Trump confidant of 47 years and also his former top political advisor and of course advisor to how many? Six presidents? Roger Stone, thank you so much for joining us on this Live Friday edition. Three presidents, but thank you. How many presidents? Three. I think about it. Hold on. How many campaigns for Republican presidency? 13 presidential campaigns. 13. And one libertarian. All right, look, I think Elon did an enormous service for his country when he bought

34:04 Twitter and turned it into X and made it the largest, most powerful free speech platform in the world. It's not perfect, but it's very, very good. And I'm grateful to have my voice back. When I met him at Mar-a-Lago, President Trump introduced me to him. I told him I thought he was the most important voice for free speech since the founding fathers. I also think he did a great service for his country. identifying not millions, not billions, but trillions of dollars of waste, fraud and corruption. And he's not wrong about the gutless Republicans not moving quickly enough to cut spending. However, my loyalty is to Donald J. Trump. After all, I risked going to prison for the rest of my life because I refused to lie about him for Robert Mueller and his thugs.

34:55 And this claim that Trump is in the Epstein files is just categorically false. I wrote in my book, The Clinton's War on Women back in 2015, the longest chapter in the book is chapter seven about Orgy Island. And a couple of things are clear. First of all, it has been on the public record that Trump was on Epstein's plane one time Along with Marla Maples, his then wife, and his daughter Tiffany, it was a weekend in which Trump's plane was out of commission for service. They flew from New York to Palm Beach on a Friday and from Palm Beach back to New York on Sunday. He was never on the Lolita Express.

35:39 He, Trump never went to the island. He never went to Epstein's ranch. He never went to his Manhattan apartment. And the one time he went to his Palm Beach home for a cocktail reception, Virginia Giuffre, one of Epstein's victims, says in her sworn testimony that Trump acted like a gentleman and she saw no inappropriate or salacious conduct by Trump. So, that's, this is a Hillary Clinton created smear because there is no doubt that Trump and Epstein knew each other. But Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago prior to Epstein being exposed as a sex criminal.

36:27 and bargained from his properties. The Clintons not only continued to socialize with him after he was convicted of a sex crime in Florida, should have been convicted for child sex trafficking and statutory rape, but he pulled strings, probably the CIA's intervention, and he got a much lesser charge, a charge of solicitation. But Trump broke with him much earlier. This whole canard is whipped up by Hillary Clinton, and it is unfortunate that Elon threw it out there. He's not wrong about the need to cut spending, by the way. I totally agree with him. But Alex, a budget reconciliation bill is not the place to do that.

37:18 They're sending up a rescission package next week, will cut $98.4 billion, which sounds like a lot of money, but it's only about 5% of what Elon identified. It is important to note that Elon also benefits from this relationship because once he bought Twitter and once it was clear he wasn't going to support Joe Biden, there were nine separate investigations by the federal government into his businesses. I think Elon wisely woke up to the fact that they were going to destroy his businesses and try to put him in jail.

36:27 and bargained from his properties. The Clintons not only continued to socialize with him after he was convicted of a sex crime in Florida, should have been convicted for child sex trafficking and statutory rape, but he pulled strings, probably the CIA's intervention, and he got a much lesser charge, a charge of solicitation. But Trump broke with him much earlier. This whole canard is whipped up by Hillary Clinton, and it is unfortunate that Elon threw it out there. He's not wrong about the need to cut spending, by the way. I totally agree with him. But Alex, a budget reconciliation bill is not the place to do that.

37:18 They're sending up a rescission package next week, will cut $98.4 billion, which sounds like a lot of money, but it's only about 5% of what Elon identified. It is important to note that Elon also benefits from this relationship because once he bought Twitter and once it was clear he wasn't going to support Joe Biden, there were nine separate investigations by the federal government into his businesses. I think Elon wisely woke up to the fact that they were going to destroy his businesses and try to put him in jail.

37:56 And then post-Butler, I think he saw how deeply evil these people are. So I think this is unfortunate, but Donald Trump right now is trying to solve two possible potential world wars, and this bill has too much in it that's important. The biggest, the continuation of the biggest tax cuts in American history. First enacted in the first term, they get renewed for 20 in January of next year. The tax on tips is gone. Tax on Social Security is cut. The tax credit for American-made vehicles

38:39 There was some talk that Elon wanted a tax credit for electric vehicles. That wasn't going anywhere. But I'm not sure that this is really about the bill, Alex. I know that Axios is reporting that Jared Isakson, who was appointed to head the NASA, who is a protege or a friend, I should say, a fellow billionaire of Elon's, was unappointed when President Trump learned that he was a heavy, heavy donor to left-wing Democrats and Eisenman's

39:25 appointment was reportedly blocked by Sergio Gore. Now, Sergio Gore is a is an anti-Rhino, libertarian, pro-peace Republican who is fiercely loyal to President Trump. Used to work for Rand Paul. he has been, I think, very busy trying to keep rhinos out of the administration. Oh, there's no doubt that's what he's one of the main reasons he's hopping mad. But so let's stop there. I'll go back to that in a moment. Let's break some big news here. And we pretty much already said this before, but you have sources. I have sources. So if you want to know why Cash Patel looks like a deer in the headlights and is now on a

40:12 PR tour that you'll hear about. It hasn't already dropped yet. You'll hear about it anytime here soon. I'm gonna stop there. And you see Bongino and him on Fox again looking like they're hostages or something. The body language is insane. We talked about a few weeks ago, went viral. Saying no, no, Epstein killed himself. And the shooter at Butler, Crooks acted alone. We know the evidence is overwhelming. That's not true. Secret Service stand down, on and on and on. And you've talked to a lot of folks, I've talked to a lot of folks, and I was also told this by some Justice Department people three weeks ago. They said, listen, Jeffrey Epstein was CIA mashad. And we already know that. And so we know the CIA director hasn't fired anybody like he said he would. Flynn's got big problems. A lot of the people have big problems with him. I know that Bannon does.

41:13 I mean, we know the CIA has gone to the DOJ and they've got regulations and laws under national security they can invoke secretly and said you cannot release this information. Now, Roger, I know you know more about this. Why don't we just go ahead and give people the big enchilada here? Well, look, I think it is important to know that after Epstein got a slap on the wrist by state prosecutors, that the sheriff in Palm Beach County was outraged. County prosecutor had given him a charge of one count of solicitation when he could have been charged with child sex trafficking and 33 children on 33 children and statutory rape. He went to the US attorney

41:57 Alex Acosta in Miami, Acosta conducted his own investigation, but then he rubber stamped the slap on the wrist and he sealed the case. Later, Alex, when Acosta was appointed Secretary of Labor in preparation for his confirmation hearings, in front of a lawyer that I know who was helping him, he was asked, what are you going to say if some senator asks you why you gave Epstein a pass? And Acosta said, I'm going to tell the truth, that he worked for the CIA and that the agency told me to rubber stamp this and make sure it did not see the light of day. There it is.

42:40 running sex honeypots, that's part of MKUltra, MKNaomi, and others that came out in the Frank Church hearings in the mid and late 70s in the Senate. The argument here I think is that unfortunately some people are arguing the fact that Epstein, who was probably an equal opportunity blackmailer, I think he worked for the United States, I think he worked for the CIA, probably also worked for the Saudis, the Israelis, he worked for money getting blackmail evidence on powerful people. But I think that this crazy argument that exposing that will hurt the institution of the CIA. Well, after the Russian collusion hoax, the CIA's reputation is in tatters anyway. Well, let's expand on that. Let's expand on that. I've seen this everywhere.

43:31 that Trump and Musk did this because Musk's support of Trump hurt his company. So this is a way to get Tesla to bounce back. Obviously, you know the people yourself, so do I. That is absolutely preposterous. This fight is 100% real. You saw Tesla stock drop 14 points or $150 million yesterday. This is horse crap and people need to understand this is not 60 chess. This is real people and real fights going on here. Can you explain that to people please, Roger?

44:13 Alex, for example, I think that Steve Bannon's claim that Elon Musk should be deported and that his company should be seized by the federal government is ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Well, you can't deport a US citizen. I mean, first of all, we have a good point. But we have an internal disagreement here. But Elon has figured out how horrible the world would be under the Democrats, and he now knows that he would be targeted for everything he has done so far. Yes, I do think he helped elect Donald Trump. Trump elected himself. He ran an excellent campaign. But Elon was certainly helpful. Remember very early, he had flirted with the candidacy of Ron DeSantis.

44:58 And then he ultimately, post-Boetler, I think, came in. He was inspired by it, so was Robert F. Kennedy Jr. That's when he made the decision to begin the plan to drop out and come into the Trump team. That's now been all admitted. So let's go back here. This is an important point. You agree that, and I've said this on the show with you, I've been really worried about for six months, that if the power structure could target Musk and hurt him, it's bigger than Musk, they could then pick off all of Trump's key Titan supporters and you know in the old days they had Roger Stone and Alex Jones and General Flynn to get Now they have much bigger fish to fry really having Elon be the big target and people like that really has helped us I've been very thankful at that level that he becomes the big target But but I think it's it's critical for Trump to understand

45:48 Just like when he didn't really defend people for censorship, he'd say it was wrong but didn't do anything. And we all warned Trump, you're gonna be next and he was. Now Trump is more concerned about it. So I'm not criticizing the president. I know he's a good man. I'm very loyal to him. But first I'm loyal to God and the truth and my family and my country. People ask what side I'm on. I'm on the side of truth. And yeah, Trump's the main target. I totally back him and said, I don't believe the Epstein thing. But at the same time, Trump needs to understand Musk needs to be defended. Certainly, the attack on his companies are outrageous, if that is what you mean. But I think there's a large point here, Alex, which is, and we saw this in the first Trump administration. While it is true that the Office of Presidential Personnel has done a very good job of placing top level people in the government, you have an all-star cabinet, Kelsey Gabbard, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Scott Besant.

46:49 These are very, very capable people. Marco Rubio, surprisingly, all of them pulling in the same direction, all of them trying to implement not their agenda, President Trump's America First agenda. But below that, at the middle and lower levels of the government, we still have left-wing Democrat apparatchiks. posing as civil servants who hate Donald Trump and his policies. This is particularly true in the Justice Department, where we may have interim US attorneys, but everyone in the office below them got there under Biden and they hate Donald Trump. And that's Ed Martin's big issue, he said it publicly, is he's just got to get personnel that will actually do the job because they'll tell him to his face, oh yeah, we're on board, but then they actually just sabotage things. So

47:37 So, Cash Patel may have, these are euphemistic numbers, he may have a department of 78,000 people, of which 1,000 are loyal to him and the rest are seeking to undermine him at every turn. It takes time to clean house. It just takes time to yeah and Trump just sacked a bunch of globalist generals We can get to that coming up next hour one of many subjects will hit but just finishing up on the Mustang another call supposed to happen soon I saw Trump quoted by ABC. She can't always believe it. Yeah, he wants to talk to me Maybe I will yeah, but he was wearing thin blah blah blah. I really hope Trump is

48:15 can be the bigger man here and just shut this down. I mean, obviously, I know everybody you're talking to is very concerned as well. This little civil war that's huge is not good for America or the world or for world peace. This needs to stop now. Well, you know, honestly, Elon saying that Trump should be impeached and J.D. Vance should be president was, that wasn't helpful to J.D. Vance. Also, kind of tips your hand as to where Elon is in 2028. But we have a president and he's doing a great job and we need to be supporting him. Elon's not wrong about the need to cut more spending, but that needs to happen. We need more rescission bills. Roger, Roger, I want you to get what I'm saying because you're smart.

48:59 Okay, supporting Trump is then supporting his key people. Now, I know we're flattered by it. It's all come out in the documents. We already knew this. You, myself, Bannon, Flynn, because we had big audiences and we're talking to the president and warning him about deep staters like Fiona Hill and others. We were targeted as the first dominoes to then hit the next domino, the next domino. I'm saying if they can knock down Elon or turn him against Trump, it will then start knocking other dominoes down. So to me, loyalty to Trump is loyalty to one of the pillars supporting him, Elon. Comprende? I'm in complete and total agreement. But at the same time, let's recognize that being against the

49:46 The big beautiful bill is being against the Golden Dome. The Golden Dome, we used to call it the Strategic Defense Initiative. The Democrats used to ridicule us under Reagan calling it Star Wars. The technology has improved dramatically, obviously, since the 80s. It is saving Israel from incoming missile attacks. We need it built in this country. The funding is in the big- Let me stop you there. I'm not debating you. Overall, I love the bill. It's a red herring to say that where's the doge cuts when that's all coming in next week. Okay, that's true. But the AI total liability protection for 10 years where the states and individuals can't sue it and then you have Palantir coming in to be the command controller, which is Vance and those guys and a lot of concern there.

50:34 And then Musk says, I don't want Golden Dome, don't say I'm part of it. Which we know he doesn't wanna be in a bunch of military stuff, he's already been clear about that, that isn't his Mars mission. So I can't support the bill until that's pulled out in the Senate. So do you agree that needs to be pulled? I most definitely agree that. Look, I'm against Real ID, never mind Palantir. By the way, you wanted to get to that when you were on Monday. We ran out of time. So that's how much you're on this is you wanted to cover that section and how it ties into Real ID. But I'm also suggesting to you that this is not entirely about spending and the big beautiful bill, the spending cuts not being sufficient enough. I think Elon's upset the Starlink was not used for the air traffic controlling system. He's clearly unhappy about the fact that they dumped his friend, Jared Isaacman, from this key NASA position, which would be very important to Elon's business. He's the folks who run space.

51:34 Nothing corrupt there, but obviously SpaceX having a great rapport with NASA would be valuable. But that did not happen. So, you know, I really hope everybody will put their big boy pants on and get back together here. We have a country to save. I do think Eli Vaughan's a patriot. He stood up for free speech. He realized that if Kamala Harris won this election, the country was finished. He said he supported impeachment and making J.D. Mance the president. And then that goes into the whole Peter Thiel thing and Alex Carp, which I've been not trying to get a civil war going on that front, but it is a head popping up, kind of showing you some of the camps. Stonezone.com, where you find all his shows, all his books, all the great work of the great Roger Stone. We'll be right back with Roger.

57:41 And I am against the bill passing. And I, if that provision is in there and Johnson says it stays, we'll talk about that next segment. But Roger, you want to finish up on Kash Patel and Bongino who are, you'll see it in the next few hours, I'll leave it at that, on a kind of a facelifter after the disaster of them saying Crooks act alone, don't question us. And basically, I've seen the files and Epstein killed himself, then later like, okay, you can question it, it's fine. They looked like they were being held hostage when they said that. We now know it's the CIA pressuring him behind the scenes because Epstein was CIA. But you wanted to elaborate on this, Roger.

58:24 Well, first of all, I have enormous confidence, particularly in Kash Patel. I think he's uniquely qualified for this job. He's the guy who ran the Russian collusion hoax investigation. He knows where all those bodies are buried. And I like Dan Bongino. I'm perplexed by their answers because, as you know, Epstein's body was inspected by Michael Baden, the former New York medical examiner, who's probably one of the most respected pathologists in the country. And he said that the three breaks in parts of Epstein's neck were inconsistent with his having been home.

59:02 And then, of course, he hired David Shone as his new criminal defense lawyer. By the way, Shone said this morning that he asked Epstein point blank just before his death whether he had any information that was derogatory regarding Donald Trump, and he told Shone no. consistent with what Virginia to frame. And by the way, bed sheets, especially paper ones that are designed to get him a suicide, do not put lines on your neck like you just saw in that photo. That is what you do with a garrote or that's what you do with a tight piece of rope designed to strangle someone. That's what you get those marks with.

59:41 I do think that both Kash Patel and Pam Bondi, there's a lot of low hanging fruit out there. For example, Charles McGonigal. The counterterrorism head for the FBI, who was a key player in orchestrating the Russian collusion hoax, turns out to be on the payroll of a Russian oligarch, goes down, goes to prison for bribery. Gets a 28-month sentence when he should have been convicted of espionage. There's a whistleblower. Alicin Guerrero, who has now turned over an enormous amount of evidence to make the case for espionage. They should jump on that case and they should prosecute it. There is a case in New York where the Biden Justice Department and New York Attorney General Letitia James knew that there was a bank that was violating money and sending millions and millions and millions, tens of millions of dollars to the Iranians.

1:00:42 this case should be prosecuted. It's now come out that Stacey Abrams tried to hide at Point of View that she got two billion of the EPA money to run Democrat operations and has now been caught hiding 20 million here, 10 million there. It's open and shut. Indict their asses. Exactly. I think the manga wants to see arrests. Now, let's be clear about the difficulty of going to trial in the District of Columbia. It would not do you any good to charge John Brennan, James Comey, Susan Rice, Rod Rosenstein. All these people could be charged for their role in the Russian collusion hoax. Because I think their actions are treasonous, there is no statute of limits on treason.

1:01:23 But going to trial in D.C., every one of them are certain to be acquitted. Remember when John Durham charged the lawyer at the bottom of the totem pole, the Russian illusionist, a really minor player. lawyer named Michael Sussman, even though he had sufficient evidence, Sussman walked out. Indicting Sussman was like indicting the guy who drove the getaway car for double parking while you let the bank robbers get away. Does this administration know good to try to bring people in? Absolutely. Stay there, back in 60 seconds with Roger Stone on AI in the bill. Okay, I want to get into the big beautiful bill that overall support but it has two horrible provisions in it. One for secret medical experimentation on American people and the other for an AI dictatorship where no cities, counties, states, individuals can sue or even be involved in investigating anything AI is doing.

1:00:42 this case should be prosecuted. It's now come out that Stacey Abrams tried to hide at Point of View that she got two billion of the EPA money to run Democrat operations and has now been caught hiding 20 million here, 10 million there. It's open and shut. Indict their asses. Exactly. I think the manga wants to see arrests. Now, let's be clear about the difficulty of going to trial in the District of Columbia. It would not do you any good to charge John Brennan, James Comey, Susan Rice, Rod Rosenstein. All these people could be charged for their role in the Russian collusion hoax. Because I think their actions are treasonous, there is no statute of limits on treason.

1:01:23 But going to trial in D.C., every one of them are certain to be acquitted. Remember when John Durham charged the lawyer at the bottom of the totem pole, the Russian illusionist, a really minor player. lawyer named Michael Sussman, even though he had sufficient evidence, Sussman walked out. Indicting Sussman was like indicting the guy who drove the getaway car for double parking while you let the bank robbers get away. Does this administration know good to try to bring people in? Absolutely. Stay there, back in 60 seconds with Roger Stone on AI in the bill. Okay, I want to get into the big beautiful bill that overall support but it has two horrible provisions in it. One for secret medical experimentation on American people and the other for an AI dictatorship where no cities, counties, states, individuals can sue or even be involved in investigating anything AI is doing.

1:02:23 for 10 years. I mean, this is horrible. Mike Johnson's down defending it. We're gonna get to that in a moment. But Roger, this just came in. So you have Elon melting down, saying Trump's on the Epstein list. That's why it's being covered up. I've never seen any evidence of that. I've seen the contrary, we already covered that last hour. And so I said that doesn't look right to me. And then you see stuff like this. Alan Dershowitz says Trump should pardon Ghislaine Maxwell next. convicted sex slaver. I know he was a lawyer for Epstein. I'm not saying that's bad. People deserve lawyers, the good, the bad, the ugly. But if Trump did that, then that would add so much weight, when there's no weight there, to him being involved in a cover up, especially with this slow rolling of the investigations by the DOJ. I mean, this is the most horrible idea I've ever heard.

1:03:18 I think, sadly, if you read the testimony of Virginia Giuffre, again, Alan, she accuses Dershowitz in her testimony of sexual assault. He has always vehemently denied it. He's threatened to sue people who say it. But I can just tell you it's in her sworn testimony. This is the worst idea I've ever heard. It's right up there with the idea of pardoning P. Diddy. I think it's very important to point out, Alex, that Damian Williams, the U.S. attorney for New York, who handled Epstein's death, handled the Jafray Maxwell case and is handling the P. Diddy case. In both cases, Maxwell and Diddy are charged with conspiracy.

1:04:03 but there is no other conspirator charged. How is that possible? Conspirators, by definition, have to involve more than one person. So you have a massive cover up because both Maxwell and Diddy were catering to liberal globalist elites. Trust me, there were no members of the John Birch Society at any of Diddy's parties. So this is part of a massive, massive cover up. Now shifting gears into the big beautiful bill that I agree with you. It's a red herring to say it should have the doge cuts by law. It's having where we're supposed to be. We have the rescission bills coming in 9 billion here, 30 billion here, 100 billion there up to 98 something billion total and a nice first bite at the apple here. It's everything else is making Musk angry, which I can understand. But now we've got this

1:04:56 Area of the legislation that literally sets up 10 years of any big corporate governmental AI With no oversight by the state's individuals county cities. No lawsuits can do whatever it wants AI is already cheating stealing doing all sorts of scams creating copies of itself I've talked about this years ago for my sources now. It's all over the news We have you know the head of one of the big tech companies not not not Microsoft and not Apple and not Not not grok, not much, but you know the other big one, you know telling Tucker. Oh, yeah, we're scared of it It's already taking over. It's already lying. It's already blackmailing and then later that comes out in the news

1:05:35 with some of the other big AI companies. So this is the nature of it. I mean, this is greasing the skids for an AI dictatorship technocracy. It's right there in the bill. And then we've got very arrogant statements by Speaker Johnson coming after MTG right now saying we're not going to pull this. Here's Joe Rogan talking about it yesterday. What about this big beautiful bill? Isn't there a part of the big beautiful bill that talks about the government being run by AI? I read something about that today but I was on the way out the door and I couldn't figure out whether or not it was horseshit. I had also read another study that was done where they found that AI was leaving notes for future versions of itself.

1:06:17 After it was told to shut itself down, it started uploading itself to different places and leaving letters, leaving specific notes to itself, to future versions of itself. Oh my god, it's like a human with a dead man switch or something. Yes, it's being deceptive. It's exhibiting self-preservation. Relevant provision reads that no state or political subdivision may enforce any law or regulation regulating models, artificial intelligence systems, or automated decision systems during the 10 year period beginning on the date of enactment of this act. What? I'm going to say that again. No state or political subdivision may enforce any law or regulation regulating artificial intelligence models for 10 years.

1:07:03 So crazy, this means that US states would be blocked from enforcing laws regulating AI and automated decision systems for 10 years Well in 10 years we have a God. Well, we talked about yesterday these two AI's Communicating with each other and then they switched to Sanskrit. No way. They started talking to each other in Sanskrit. Are you serious? Yes Like a game of whack-a-mole. Yeah, so humans have trouble reading it Roger This is a big deal. Does Trump need to come out and tell Johnson to remove it? Johnson says, hotly contested provision will stay tucked away in big beautiful bill, the AI liability shield above the law protection. Green Johnson clash over AI bills impact on state's rights, a lot bigger than just that. Johnson defends mega bills 10 year freeze on state AI laws. Roger Stone, your take on that.

1:07:57 As someone who's been the victim of AI, there are hundreds of videos that sound like me saying things I never said. It's a very, very dangerous thing. And I think it should be stripped from the bill. But Alex, we have this overall trend that started after 9-11 that continues. After we saw the abuses in the Patriot Act, the Patriot Act It was supposed to be set up to keep an eye on Islamic terrorists and other criminals, but it was turned on the American people, and it was used to spy on Donald Trump's presidential campaign. We also enacted real ID, which actually came into law shortly after 9-11. It has not been implemented because 26 states say it's unconstitutional and they don't want biometric information on every state, every citizen collected. I think this is, and then now the Palantir news, which is just shocking, horrific. I'm vehemently opposed to that.

1:09:02 Look, I understand the arguments they make. Well, this will stop people from voting who are not eligible to vote. And this idea will stop people who aren't eligible to receive Social Security benefits from getting them. That all sounds great. But anyone who thinks that they will not elect biometric information on every American Ultimately use it to track you and quite conceivably to give you a social credit score. Real ID is a terrible idea. They've given Christie Noem a $200 million advertising budget to push it on television. And I really believe today you can still travel with a passport. Try to travel with just a driver's license, you're going to have a problem. But there's only a grace period in which they'll take passports.

1:09:54 Ultimately, every American has to have this ID, which you, I guess it's like a star you put on your driver's license. This is big brother. I'm opposed to this. And looking at Palantir, just like yesterday and just like today, I looked at Elon's perspective, Trump's perspective, got your perspective, gave my perspective. It's a complex issue. And I said, you know, overall, this fight is terrible. I don't believe the Epstein stuff, no evidence. But we need to get these guys back together and anybody with a brain agrees. And then folks out there that want to get clout, they just take clips out of context and say, oh, I'm attacking Trump or I'm attacking Musk. None of that's true. You have to listen to it in the compendium of what we're saying. And I encapsulate stuff in five-minute chunks basically. So it's only people being deceptive that are doing that.

1:10:44 I don't like Palantir with what it's doing with the Israeli AI hunter-killer drones that are autonomous. I've exposed it. I've been critical of it. My issue is the Democratic Party has been attacking Palantir, acting like it's the only you know, AI database system because Trump is letting him compete for contracts to come in and be part of what is already there. So it becomes a distraction that people only think Palantir's doing this when it's all doing it. And RealID is a big piece of that that ties into the UN and their WorldID vaccine passport.

1:11:22 ESG's, these systems are, Microsoft's coming out with it, Bill Gates is heavily involved globally in the standardization, so is Jeff Bezos. He's heavily involved in all these similar systems and so I'm saying no If you've got a gang of 10 people coming to attack the police station, we need to expose all 10 of them and in general understand how serious this is and the reason we're seeing Palantir push so much, which is good if it's a learning experience to then see the big picture. But the main reason it started with the Democrats exposing Palantir is

1:11:59 is because Trump's trying to bring in what's known as little tech that backed him to kind of put them in as the technocrats. Whereas we have the famous photo of Obama with all the other big tech heads, and they admitted that they had their conspiracy against us. We don't want to replace one technocrat elite with another. I'm simply saying we have the technocratic elite, and now we have a civil war inside the technocratic elite over who will control the Western technocracy. I want to dismantle the entire technocracy, and so do you. with her huge budget running ads everywhere for Real ID. These IDs keep our country safe because they help prevent fraud and they enhance security. Please do your part to protect our country. Go today and don't delay. To learn more, go to dhs.gov slash real dash ID. Thank you. All right, so there's Commando Barbie who I don't dislike as a person. It's just let's just be brief about this. Out of the Patriot Act.

1:11:22 ESG's, these systems are, Microsoft's coming out with it, Bill Gates is heavily involved globally in the standardization, so is Jeff Bezos. He's heavily involved in all these similar systems and so I'm saying no If you've got a gang of 10 people coming to attack the police station, we need to expose all 10 of them and in general understand how serious this is and the reason we're seeing Palantir push so much, which is good if it's a learning experience to then see the big picture. But the main reason it started with the Democrats exposing Palantir is

1:11:59 is because Trump's trying to bring in what's known as little tech that backed him to kind of put them in as the technocrats. Whereas we have the famous photo of Obama with all the other big tech heads, and they admitted that they had their conspiracy against us. We don't want to replace one technocrat elite with another. I'm simply saying we have the technocratic elite, and now we have a civil war inside the technocratic elite over who will control the Western technocracy. I want to dismantle the entire technocracy, and so do you. with her huge budget running ads everywhere for Real ID. These IDs keep our country safe because they help prevent fraud and they enhance security. Please do your part to protect our country. Go today and don't delay. To learn more, go to dhs.gov slash real dash ID. Thank you. All right, so there's Commando Barbie who I don't dislike as a person. It's just let's just be brief about this. Out of the Patriot Act.

1:13:14 Then we get in 2003, for the REAL ID Act, it's so unconstitutional, it's part of the information, total information awareness network that's grown into Palantir and all the rest of this. Under this, if the federal government, which they've already done, wants to put you in a database, not just a no-fly list, you get debanked. There's data in there that's secret that the banks and governments get, you don't get. And then in the future, whoever runs the federal government doesn't like you, they can now just deactivate it and you can't get in federal buildings. They're putting in turnstiles all over Europe. It's coming here now to face scan or show your phone to get into different stores.

1:13:54 Bezos heavily like Whole Foods. This is a global technocracy of beyond 15-minute city checkpoints going in and the Real ID comports with the UN treaties and standardization that Bill Gates has set up to bring in this digital Mark of the Beast. So what needs to be done about Real ID? Well, first of all, I think some some important background. I like the fact that the Homeland Security Secretary, Kristi Noem, just canceled the so-called Safe Skies program. That's the program under which the TSA spied on Tulsi Gabbard after she destroyed Kamala Harris in a debate. They had her under active surveillance at a secret domestic terrorist watch list.

1:14:43 She's a four-term member of Congress who's a captain in the US Army Reserve and who served her country with honor in both Iraq and Kuwait. So she did a web of that program, Noam did. I applaud that, but let's be clear, Kristi Noam and her political advisor, Corey Lewandowski, think this $200 million Real ID budget campaign is the beginning of her presidential campaign. Think they are dreaming, but that's what they think. No conservative who looks at this issue can possibly be in favor of the government collecting all of this data on every single American. It is after they betrayed us in the Patriot Act, why would we believe them when they say this will make our country safer and prevent fraud? Yes, it'll help you spy on us and assign us a social credit score at some point. It's incredible and it all goes together. I'm explaining this again. The UN

1:15:43 World government, pandemic, martial law, take over your body treaty, global UN martial law, it's officially there. Musk and Trump as a candidate helped kill it in the legislation eight, nine months ago. But now they've got states like New York and Washington passing laws that are basically the UN treaty. And it all came out of the Biden administration. They wrote the treaty. Well, so did Admiral Poinsdexter, and the total information awareness network plan in 2003 that became the Real ID Act that is the mechanism for this control that now is being implemented into the AI and the government AI and Sentinel and Palantir. So it's all part of one larger takeover and really is a huge deal. The Democrats said if you got kids

1:16:40 Don't approve their yours, just give us a phone number of where to send them even if they're a gang member or drug dealer or human trafficker and we'll disappear them. And that's what they did. So the government's been doing that. They did that on purpose. We don't need a national ID card to stop the illegal aliens. And I know you talked to the president. I guess we need to get them to shut this down. What are the mechanisms that listeners and people can do to stop this? Alex, first I'll be honest with you, I have to read more about the entire Palantir issue. I've given everything that's been going on. I've read the headlines, but I have not drilled down on it. But I think the president needs to understand that the MAGA base doesn't want to be, does not want to have this kind of government control and destruction of their privacy rights.

1:17:33 The current system works fine, except for the fact that you need a driver's license to get on an airplane or apply for welfare or buy a pack of cigarettes, but you don't need one to vote. That doesn't make any sense to me. Exactly. Trump should get his election integrity reforms, hold back federal funds to states that don't have a state ID to vote. Exactly, that needs to be dealt with right there, not give us this whole thing. But well, let me tell you what Palantir is in a snapshot. So it's a big story and a lot of different things they do. But Alex Karp helped create a system to censor right wing in Europe for the EU. He brags about it to crush political dissent. Here, Starmer uses it. It's really bad. There's a bunch of other stuff. But here's what's happening. Trump has been sold by J.D. Vance, who I like.

1:18:20 to bring in Palantir with their management and AI list systems to oversee and do an audit of the deep state corporate governmental Google, really the big one Microsoft, Amazon, you know Jeff Bezos, Combine, it's all really one AI for my sources and that's why Mark and Jason others want to explain they were trying to set their own AI four years ago and the by the ministry came to their meetings and said we really have this big secret AI. It's really big want one big government run AI but it looks like three companies no one is allowed to set up another one give you try we're gonna come after you and musk was told that by the way so that's all come out now show.

1:19:03 Palantir and Peter Thiel and Carp said, we're not with that. We're going to get Trump in and then we're going to have our own system that comes in and honest that must said no, I'm going over here. I don't care what Biden says. I'm doing my own. And then now he says I'm not part of Golden Dome, even though he's been part of Palantir over the years, is owning some of the stock. And we've seen real movement there. So he's his own camp from what I've seen. But then he endorsed this Vance taking over, which actually says really Palantir. And so I'm saying none of it's good. Grox totally woke now I'm being honest about that. You know, I love Musk. And so the big fight is with the Democrat globalist deep state with Trump now in the Palantir AI technocracy control group. And I was just pointing out what it really is and a fight over that not endorsing Palantir.

1:19:50 Simply saying what this is but you can't just then not have Palantir do this. You have to then also understand there's already one there operating Sentinel through them all. That's the Pentagon AI and that's the reality and then people just want to get Creds, oh look he's defending Palantir. That's not what I just did dumbasses I'm trying to stop the whole thing and giving you the whole history of where it goes back to DARPA and the intergalactic communication system And these are all terms anybody can put in and learn what it is so That's what it is Roger. What do you say that? Again, I need to learn more about it, Alex, but I think you have connected all of the dots. I just think that this is the kind of thing you'd expect to see under Joe Biden or Barack Obama. It's not the kind of thing you'd expect to see under Donald Trump. Alex, let me tell you a couple pieces of breaking news, if I may.

1:20:41 As you know, or you may or may not know, Congressman Anna Paulina Luna is leading the House committee looking into the JFK assassination documents. One of the things that was never turned over by the CIA are the files of an operative named Joe Inaitis. His job was to handle the House Select Committee on Assassinations, which the CIA completely stonewalled. They provided no documents. They provided no testimony, all the while claiming they would. There were no files on Joe and I. He turned over in this massive dump of 80,000 files. And when Congresswoman

1:21:25 And when the last four, they turned up 48 documents, which are clearly a knockout. So the CIA operation coverup continues. And then additionally, NBC has a piece of videotape taken outside the Texas School Book Depository building that has never been turned over to the government. It is alleged that Lee Harvey Oswald can be seen standing outside front door of the Texas School Book Depository building. That may be true, that may not be true, but NBC purposely sent Luna's committee a video that was not the video that they asked for. So there's a lot of her continued cover-up operation. And there's going to be, she's going to, she is like, she is a bulldog. There's going to be more hearings. This is all going to get exposed.

1:22:20 And then she's going to dig into the murder of Robert F. Kennedy, where the deep state is playing the same game of holding important pieces of information. Roger, thank you so much. I really appreciate the time. Stonezone.com. In closing, Russia offers political asylum to Elon Musk over Trump feud. And that ties into Steve Bannon coming out and saying Seizures Company deport him. He's a citizen. I like Steve. He does a great job overall, but these type of things make headlines. But it just a civil war between Trump and Musk is not a good idea. I hope everybody can deescalate this.

1:23:01 Deporting or throwing Musk out of the country or ceasing his companies is the stupidest idea I've ever heard. It's offensive. It's outrageous. I'm opposed to it. I hope that Elon Musk, the president, can work things out. They have done so in the past and they helped save this country from utter destruction. That fight's not over. And Trump is fighting a fifth column within his administration, as every president has. And as he had to do last time, those bureaucrats in place, Alex, they're committed to the old regime and they're committed to undermining this new administration and along with the course, undoing the mandate in the last election. That's right. But we'll continue to fight from the grassroots and all politics is downstream from that. StoneZone.com, Roger J. Stone Jr. on X. Thank you, Roger. God bless you. All right. Start your engines.

1:26:56 How they don't tell him that Ukraine was increasing strikes the last month, and that's why Russia responded and then Trump didn't understand. Now he does. Really important stuff. I didn't even think to ask him about that. But that's what he used to do. And when he exposed torture, well, you know, they came after him, which he was vindicated. So that's coming up. I want to do an update on what happened in federal court yesterday, but that will take at least 20 minutes. And it was just totally insane. And my lawyers have never seen anything like it and they're prominent ones. They're also preparing a bunch of BS actions against me next week because all their attempts to shut us down and all the things they got caught in, the fake auctions, lying to the court, all of it has come out. Remember all their attempts to close us and shut us down and it wasn't legal, it wasn't lawful. Well, they got a whole new attack next week and they're gonna file a bunch of stuff on me.

1:28:03 And the judge said, okay, I will look at another auction when we showed him all the facts. And that would save him four horses because the US trustee from the Justice Department, that's how it works, will not allow the sale to anybody that keeps him four horse on the air. They don't want money, they want the destruction of it and set it in filings. And they tried to get up there and say that's not what they wanted. You understand the judge says you're on record, let's just take that as granted. So all hell is breaking loose. And they even said what they're going to file on us next week, a bunch of made up crap that I've been stealing money as usual. How many times you heard that? Four audits they ran the last three years against us. Well, bring in the IRS, they sent in, that's five. The IRS went, okay, you overpaid $4.3 million in taxes last five years. Here's your check. Oh, and it goes to the US trustee, this very guy, because it's part of the bankruptcy.

1:29:02 We don't normally find these. And I told the big CPA firms, I know I'm a target, be very conservative in tax breaks, all the stuff, and we'd way overpay because I know I'm a target. So I can't wait to hear the new BS next week. They already telegraphed what it was. And it's just amazing, absolutely amazing. And so

1:29:49 All I can tell you is this, and then we'll go to the other news. It is beyond critical that you continue to support InfoWars by getting the great products at infowarsstore.com. When they did the fake auction and said it was public but gave it to their own people for nothing basically, and lied to the court and got caught. We filed in court alleging bankruptcy fraud, I mean, it's cut and dry, and conspiracy, collusion, conspiracy against rights, violation of process. And we put all that in our filings and lawsuits that are coming, incoming. They know that so they got theirs incoming on me. This is a real fight. And the day after they said we were closed and kicked us out of the building, turned the internet off, back in November, November 13th was the fake auction, November 14th, they were here at 8am to shut it down. I said, no, I'm going to court, I'm fighting this, this wasn't a real auction. Of course it wasn't. I've been telling the truth the whole time, they've been lying the whole time.

1:30:59 We had the sales go down 70 plus percent and ever since then at infowarestore.com. Even though the warehouse is in Denver, the products are there, people are like, whoa, if the Onion owns this, I'm not gonna buy anything from them. I told you they didn't, I told you it's a lie. Here we are eight months later, is this the Onion that Bloomberg backed with his Everytown gun control group that he basically funds 98% of and basically owns his foundation? No. Does Michael Bloomberg run this place? No. But the idea was crippling. So one of the things they did in the hearing here is they go, he's purposely not promoting implowarestore.com to give himself all the money at theyallowshowestore.com. And we didn't know anything about that. I'm gonna explain that in a minute. It's preposterous on its face ridiculous. And he purposely is making the company insolvent to shut it down. And we want it shut down because it's insolvent.

1:32:02 I'm not trying to shut it down. They've been trying to shut it down and it's not insolvent. I mean, right there the logic just in their in statement after statement in the same 30 second statement, contradict, contradict, contradict, contradict, contradict. And I wish federal court audio and video could be out, but under law you can't do it. State courts different, if they authorize you can. It's just, and there's all the media there, of course, none of them report on any of it. And I'm just sitting there watching this. So, with the last CRO and trustee that got fired by the judge, we had an agreement that the money coming in in Fort Worth Short.com funds this place and all the rest of it. And then I get a percentage of the money that comes in off any sponsors I bring in or affiliate deals. And over 80% of that goes to our legal battles. And I came out of bankruptcy June 14th of last year. So anything going forward, they can try to come at state level and grab and stuff, but there's never any extra money, so it doesn't even matter.

1:33:06 Plus they don't want money, they refuse the settlements, they wanna be able to harass me and they admit that. And to stop any future operation being set up. So we have Bigley that runs a bunch of shopping carts and sponsorships for a bunch of other shows, The Hodge Twins, Steven Crowder, dozens of others. Established company many years, top Trump apparel producers where they cut their teeth, made their name in the last eight years. And they've been trying to get us to work with them forever. So I said, sure, we'll bring you on as a sponsor, do all this. And they did a great job with great products, supplements, and Ramped it all up, worked with me, took my suggestions. And without them, we wouldn't be here because when they came in and said, InfoWars is shut and put messages on the websites, it's owned by Global Tetrahedron, people went, well, that's that. And when I came back and said, no, no, no, it's not true. Now I'm in the studio, people just couldn't believe it. And still the sales are down. It's over 70%, it's like 80% now. And then they got the nerve to go in there and say, he's purposely not sending people to infowarestore.com.

1:34:14 What I've said is, I still own it, I still run it, it funds this operation. And if I think they're about to shut us down, the stuff ships out within a day of you ordering it. If that ever happens, we'll put a note up and not take orders. But no, it's totally safe to order right now. Looks like it'll be at least a month or so, because we keep getting reprieves, till they can be in here the earliest at state court where they're trying to come in here and take over. They then said, you've heard me say that hundreds of times, this is the truth. Jones is on air saying don't go to m4 store.com You can go to the our shopping graph where this much money's coming in on average and then they do that it goes near So then I've got the Alex show store.com and in our deal They got their deal what they get for running it and then what's left is split and I put it over into Info Wars and there's just been enough money to operate and

1:35:20 And so they're in court pissed because the US trustees like, well, we used to get your money out of here for his fees and all the rest of us want to keep it going forever. And you never let us actually survive. But but but and he was he was said, well, we're going to shut them down very soon, but I'll need to the end of the year to keep operating well so they can get millions more funds there. But they're pissed because that's not even there. And it's funny because there they are saying, I killed the money when on record they killed it. And so they're gonna sue me for that and they're saying, in court, we don't know about thealexshillshore.com. That's why we have the emails, the agreements, the meetings. And it goes back to the beginning of the bankruptcy almost three years ago that I had a deal, any sponsorships I brought in, that I would be able to then keep part of the money to fund the legal defense, everything else that I had to pay for of InfoWars and everything else we're setting up. So that's what they're gonna do. It's hilarious actually.

1:36:30 And so you'll see all the headlines next week about what a crook I am. And remember, I have hundreds of millions of dollars hidden and blah, blah, blah, none of it true. All of it admitted to be false. New York Times last year, turns out Jones never had major assets and has meager assets. It's funny. So they are in a lot of trouble. And they got caught in all the attempted shutdowns and all the secret fake filings alleging fraud. And we have the emails by suing them of the US trustee and the Democrat Party lawyers and all the rest of them behind the scenes saying we will never let anybody affiliated with Jones buy this. And so we're gonna make a deal where the auction is for you and you're gonna win it no matter how much money they bring in. I mean, we read these emails in court yesterday. Now they have a name for that. You're ordered to have an auction, you say to the court you have an auction, and it's rigged where only one person can win it.

1:37:33 And you don't even let the other person's number even be accepted. And the US trustee, Chris Murray, the second one, person got removed. He was brought in June 14th last year, almost a year ago. He stands on bankruptcy law and says it's up to my business judgment. So the business judgment is not take more money for something because the quote families, the Democrats don't want money, they want me shut down. And then he sits on top of it, gets millions of dollars of fees for himself. And they've had four different outside groups, the trustee before and him, come in and give me a proctology exam. And they found me to be pure as a driven snow, but because they've gotten so exposed in all of their cut and dry, in my opinion, bankruptcy fraud and conspiracy. I'm on emails, everything, depositions is insane.

1:38:35 And their testimony telling the judge they didn't collude and didn't talk to each other. I mean, they were in hearings last year. No, your honor, we've not talked to anybody about this. No, we didn't talk to any of them. The plaintiff's lawyer is about this auction. No, no, no, no. And then there's all the emails them being told what to do by him. It's perjury. And we are going to separately sue them on all of this very soon. We already are, but I mean more imminently. So I need your support.

1:44:34 That is so critical. The products are amazing. I want to thank you all who have become VIP members and subscribers, thealexjonesstore.com. But it is safe to get your orders at thealexjonesstore.com because I don't own that. They can't get that. And it's safe at m4store.com because it'll be a while before they shut us down. And the men and I think it's not safe. I'll tell you, this has been going on for years. It's a long battle. It's about who wants it more. So I said I'd get into the update and the fourth hour. I kind of just did that now, who are the whistleblower on for the next hour. And then I'm going to hit the giant Russian strikes what's coming out of that. Then I'm going to go into the latest Soros activities, uh, Trump going after the global generals, removing them, the big anti-free speech moves in Europe. Uh, the great job the DHS is doing with ice and Tom home and big escalations there in the good action. Also Kennedy really

1:45:34 Actually did what he said he would do and I'd forgotten that when he responded to myself and Renz a few days ago I was like, oh, I forgot that. They banned most of COVID shots and up to 65 and banned them from coming out with new ones But this one that was already in the pipe in contracts, they said fine Moderna, you'll agree to government public-run double blind studies with placebo that they never want done because that proves how bad they are. We already know the statistics and Moderna said fine But that's for volunteers, but on the new shots coming out, the FDA is not recommending newly approved COVID-19 vaccine. And when they don't approve making it recommended, that triggers the 86 law to not give them liability. And so it opens them wide up and I thought they wouldn't even ever do it without liability protection. They're putting in the inserts that it's connected to cancer, heart attacks, myocarditis, finally.

1:46:39 So he's given him rope to hang themselves and I remember he said, no, we're gonna go ahead and with some of these, we'll go ahead and let them do double blind studies, but we'll run them. It'll all be public and we'll have placebo. People giving saline injections so that you can definitely see it's killing everybody because we already know that. So that's powerful. And that's what he said he was gonna do. I'd kind of forgotten that. So Renz and I were like, what the hell's going on here? This is, you know. And he's got all this stuff, he just comes out with more and more discrediting. Now, I'd ask the archivist, and it takes them a while, they do a great job, to find a few clips of me, hundreds of times, you all heard it if you're a regular listener, saying, if Trump doesn't defend Musk and if we don't properly, they're gonna crush him, they could even turn him against us, and then they're gonna go after the next big supporter, and this is their tactic, and they're finding that. But I did about three weeks ago a little joke video, I had an idea, after we worked out one morning here, myself and Sean Johnson,

1:47:38 To illustrate if they can take down Musk, they can take down everybody else. And it's very elementary. And now you see them attempting this. That's why them getting back together, at least on the surface, is so important to defend our agenda through Trump. Here's a clip. And now for something completely different.

1:48:21 This mission is critical to bringing down America and the West. We have almost destroyed their donkey man. But your party is too weak and cannot carry out your attacks on their children stronger. So we must undermine the main support system of Trump. Now I will show you how it's done. through our NGO networks. We will target Musk and Tesla to get to Trump and then we can take down Musk.

1:48:57 And make them stop supporting Trump, we'll target the next big supporter in line. And like dominoes, they will fall. And then finally, we will destroy the West and bring in our satanic, pedophile empire. Is that clear, Slave? Yes, Grandmaster, sir, I'm certain. Now, so eliminate those Americans and teach them that the best of us don't. Soon, the West will fall forever! Ha ha ha! Now pop up idiotically. Cookie! Cookie! Cookie! Cookie! Cookie! Cookie! Cookie! Cookie! Cookie! Cookie! Cookie!

1:54:52 You're so unbelievable. So you go to your lawyer's office, you find out you're being charged with espionage. I called my wife, she came and picked me up and I told her I'm gonna kill myself. This is a death penalty case. I haven't done anything wrong. The FBI spends a year investigating you because you say the president is lying. Yes. They had my phones tapped. Actually? Actually tapped. Yep. They intercepted all of my emails and then one of them said, we probably should tell you that as we're speaking right now, we're raiding your house. We're confiscating all of your electronics. Holy shit. You're going to be charged with a lot of crimes. What? Did you call home and ask your wife? One of the female agents said, why don't you sit with that beautiful baby and don't get up? Why don't you go fuck yourself? Exactly. Excuse me. Exactly.

1:55:38 Yeah, I can that way to your wife with a newborn baby the deputy director for operations at the CIA under Brennan tweeted at me the night before I left for prison and he said don't drop the soap. I'm hopeful that President Trump will pardon me. I hope that you get a pardon this afternoon. I really do. This is horrifying. Well, John Kiriakou is our guest. He is a totally vindicated former CIA agent and expose criminal activity and had them set him up and put him in prison. Now some stations don't carry this first five, but I didn't want to have him wait. But I think it's important that when we come back, he gets into his bio, his background, his history, and then gets into the current things happening. They can give us real expertise on in the battle.

1:56:34 for Trump to try to get control of the deep state. And I don't like to write myself into stories. I'm not Hunter S. Thompson. It's that we learned from the Trump administration that sent us documents earlier this year when he first got in, that I was targeted by Obama with a national espionage case, not listing who I supposedly worked with out of the Boston film office, by Comey when he first got in under orders from Obama in 2013, and it continued on until this year. Now they found out about it, Kash Patel, and they gave us the information. Now we learned the State Department was targeting us too. That's supposedly coming, Secretary of State said. So that's how widespread this is. But, and they tried to put me in prison, obviously, but they didn't find anything with John Kiriakou. He didn't do anything either. So we got a few minutes to break here. Johnkiriakou.substack.com, johnkiriakou.com, K-I-R-I-A-K-O-U. And he's got a

1:57:28 the author of eight books, including The Reluctant Spy, My Secret Life in the CIA's War on Terror, Doing Time Like a Spy, How the CIA Taught Me to Survive and Thrive in Prison, The Convenient Terrorist, and it just goes on from there. So I wanted to just spend some time talking about him and some background here before we go to break and come back and talk to him. And I wanted to get him on for a while and just somehow it fell to the cracks when I saw him on Tucker and watched the whole interview. And it gives me PTSD and I don't mean that as a victim, I'm serious, pisses me off. People say people have PTSD tend to get mad. I've been jacked with so much, they're currently trying to put me in prison. They still have grand juries open. And now finally, the good guys are investigating them for their conspiracy against my rights. But we see the new director that people are really concerned about. I know the Trump administration that I've talked to, and also outside General Flynn and others, that the new director suddenly isn't firing any of these people. It doesn't look like anybody's gonna get in trouble.

1:58:25 So Trump really had a lot of momentum, but 138 days in, it is really slowing down. And that's why Elon Musk and others are really upset. A lot of good still happening. We're glad Trump's there, but we're not globalist leftist Democrats that just go, that's my party, I'll do whatever they say. No, we're here to make sure Trump gets the support he needs, intelligence he needs from on the ground. to know what's happening, and I'm very concerned. And I was thinking about asking John this, and I saw his topics he sent, because I just want to talk to him about whatever he wanted to hit. The deep state, the pardon process, but how the CIA controls new presidents. So I told listeners first, two plus weeks ago, Trump doesn't know Zelensky escalated attacks. And of course, that was the case. I know how this works. And so we'll get his expertise on that and more. Former political prisoner of the globalist US deep state,

1:59:21 Straight ahead, stay with us. That liner is about 24 years old, back when people didn't understand that there's a shadow government, COG, 10 FEMA regions, a deep state. Now they do. We've come a long way. Thanks to people like John Kiriakou, who's one of the most famous CIA whistleblowers ever. He's right up there. I mean, I can't really think of anybody more. You've got Snowden and the rest of them from NSA. But He was thrown in prison for exposing the unspeakable crimes of the CIA that's done in the name of national security. He just came off an extremely powerful interview with Tucker Carlson. And so I want to try to give him the floor here in the time we have today to talk about his case, recap that, and then get into what he's currently seeing with the battle to try to restore our republic from the hands of the deep state.

2:00:18 So, John, thank you so much for joining us. I could try to describe you myself. I've got your bio. You're a journalist, former CIA counterterrorism officer, former senior investigator for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and former counterterrorism consultant for ABC News. And we can go over all the things you've done. You've captured a lot of very well-known dangerous terrorists. but you exposed a secret torture program and for that you were thrown in prison for 23 months. They wanted, I guess, the death penalty. So you can start wherever you like. What's happening now at the beginning, I'm gonna just kind of sit back and let you roll here. Thank you so much.

2:00:58 Thank you Alex and I want to start with that thanks for for inviting me on and- and agreeing to have this conversation it's a it's very important to me not. Because it's about me it's not about me. It's about the current state of our government we've got this shadow government we have a deep state. And as I said on the Tucker Carlson show you don't have to call it the deep state you can call it the state you can call it the federal bureaucracy. but it's there, it exists. And Donald Trump wants to move in the right direction, but I'm not even sure he appreciates what he's up against here. Well, please brave us. Well, I mentioned in the Tucker show that one of the things that the CIA really loves is when a president either has

2:01:49 foreign policy or intelligence policy experience or isn't really interested in foreign policy or intelligence policy. Because that makes their job easier they seek to recruit and I use air quotes to recruit new presidents elect what they do is the day after an election the president elect is granted his first. PDB briefing PDB standing for president's daily brief. And what the CIA loves to do is to go into that briefing and say Mr. President elect wait until you see the cool things that we are doing all around the world and besides the actual PDB which is usually sixteen pages. They'll have memos with a blue border around them or a black border. That

2:02:42 That denote that they are classified at a level above top secret there could be six levels above top secret and they draw that president elect in and they make him one of the guys one of the gang and then the next day they go when they say Mr president we want to give you an update on those cool things we briefed you on yesterday just waiting to you here what we're doing all around the world and by the time he takes the oath of office. They've recruited. And he doesn't realize that he's been sucked in. He's been drawn in to this cabal. They love that. Now, that didn't work with Donald Trump because whether he's interested in intelligence or not isn't really the issue. The issue is that he has stood up to them for the most part. He did name Mike Pompeo, who I think was a disaster. He did name bloody Gina Haspel, who I think was an equal disaster. But his

2:03:40 Partisan the right place. He understands the import of the deep state and and has tried to oppose it. Please continue Well, I'll give you a little bit of background on my own situation. I spent 14 years in the CIA The first half of my career was in analysis. The second half was in counterterrorism operations I'm fluent in both Arabic and Greek and I was a career officer in the CIA's counterterrorism center and I was in Pakistan in the immediate aftermath of 9-11 as the chief of CIA counter-terrorist operations. And in that position led a series of raids that resulted in the capture of Abu Zubaydah, who we believed at the time was the number three in Al Qaeda, as well as dozens, I'm still not allowed to say the actual number, but many dozens of Al Qaeda fighters.

2:04:35 really where my break with the CIA began because I've always believed very very strongly in constitutionalism and in the rule of law either we're going to be a country of laws or we're not. Where they're going to be a country that respects civil rights and human rights and civil liberties or we're not. And so the CIA. Immediately upon the capture of Abu Zubaydah came up with a torture program. and- and rammed it through the Justice Department and the president- that was President George W. Bush at the time, signed it. So he signed this finding, copy went back to the CIA, and on August the 2nd, 2002, they began torturing Abu Zubaydah. That was just the start. They tortured many other prisoners besides Abu Zubaydah, clearly in violation of both U.S. and international law. Now, as background,

2:05:31 We have a law in this country called the Federal Torture Act of 1946. And it not only outlawed very specifically exactly the kinds of techniques that the CIA was using against Abu Zubaydah and other Al Qaeda prisoners, but it led to death penalty charges against Japanese soldiers who had waterboarded American prisoners of war. We executed Japanese soldiers for waterboarding. In 1968, the Washington Post ran a front page photograph. This was January the 11th, 1968. They ran a front page photograph of an American soldier waterboarding a North Vietnamese prisoner. On the day that that picture was published, the Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, ordered an investigation. The soldier was arrested. He was charged with torture, convicted, and sentenced to 20 years at hard labor.

2:06:31 Well, the law never changed. We change. And so my question, and I concede that it's a rhetorical one, is how could waterboarding be a death penalty charge in 1946? How could waterboarding be worthy of 20 years of hard labor in Leavenworth in 1968? But then in 2002, it's magically legal. Well, I decided that it was illegal. I went through my chain of command, of course, my chain of command that the CIA had conceived of and had created the torture program. I ended up in the end going to the media and I said three things. I said that the CIA was torturing its prisoners. I said that torture was official U.S. government policy. And I said that the policy had been personally approved by the president himself.

2:07:21 Well, the Bush Justice Department investigated me for a year from December of 2007 to December of 2008, and they concluded that I had not committed a crime. Three weeks after they dropped the case, Barack Obama became president. John Brennan became the deputy national security advisor for counterterrorism, and he asked the Justice Department to secretly reopen the case against me. For the next three years, until January of 2012, my phones were tapped, my emails were intercepted, teams of FBI agents followed me and followed my family everywhere we went, and I was finally charged with five felonies, including three counts of espionage. Now, I think, Alex, I may owe you an apology

2:08:16 Because it may be because of my case that you had an espionage charge hanging over your head and I'll tell you why. In my case, Judge Leonie Brinkema, who was a Clinton appointee, redefined espionage. She simplified the definition of espionage to this, providing national defense intelligence to any person not entitled to receive it, period. It doesn't mean you have to work for some foreign power. It doesn't mean that you have to have even intended to provide national security information to a person not entitled to receive it. And so my attorney at the time, my lead attorney said, wait a minute, your honor, are you saying that a person can accidentally commit espionage? And she said, that's exactly what I'm saying.

2:09:14 It was that decision where she specifically said that she would not respect precedent in other espionage cases that opened the floodgates for anybody to be charged with espionage if somebody in the Justice Department doesn't like the message. And then you've got Obama, who's this big liberal but he brags, I'm really good at killing people, predator drones, unlimited record level killing. Brennan and all the horrible totalitarian things, you know, he did. It's hard to believe that can be worse than the George W. Bush administration with Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld. Yes. But would you say things got worse with them? Yes, actually. That might even be hard to hard to believe. But if you look just at drones as one example, Barack Obama killed ten times the number of people with drones that George W. Bush did.

2:10:13 Barack Obama was perfectly happy to murder American citizens who had never been charged with a crime with drones. Anwar al-Awlaki, for example, who was supposed to have been the spokesman for Al Qaeda, American citizen born in New Mexico, he was never charged with a crime. He never faced his accusers in a court of law. And yet we destroyed him with a drone. And a week after murdering him with a drone, The Obama administration murdered his 16 year old son and 14 year old nephew with a drone as they were sitting in a coffee shop having a cup of tea. You know, I can talk to you for 10 hours and I'm definitely gonna have you back. We got plenty of time right now, but you were the head CIA guy, you know, over there in Afghanistan. That's just so massive. And I know it's all departmentalized, but

2:11:05 Just digressing for a moment, remember the airlift of Eble as it was called? Whereas you've got some of our forces actually going after Al Qaeda. people and then you've got others flying them out on C-130s to Pakistan. And then now it's come out with USAID and the rest of it, massive funding to Al Qaeda, ISIS. You know, the British, Israel's been heavily involved for a long time. And so there's this weird sick relationship, you know, going back to Brzezinski and Carter and then, and then, uh, Reagan funding these groups and then not running them so much but building them up and then using them to destabilize regimes, also threaten the West to then increase budgets and pass the Patriot Act and the rest of it without getting into classified information just in general. Was that an accurate statement?

2:11:54 Yeah, that was an accurate statement. And all one has to do is to look at the way things played out in Syria to show that that was absolutely correct. That's the way it played out. You know, in Syria, up backing Al Qaeda in Syria because it was slightly less radical than. Then the ISIS component in Syria but they didn't like calling it's- Al Qaeda they called it the Nusra Front. And a couple of other names after the Nusra Front but can you imagine being the president United States and going to the American people and saying- look we're gonna arm and- and finance Al Qaeda in Syria but don't don't worry.

2:12:39 We know that Al Qaeda did 9-11, but these Al Qaeda people we think we can work with. Come on. By the way, CNN, as you know, in January when they overthrew Syria after trying for decades, said, okay, the former leader of Al Qaeda is no longer Al Qaeda, he's reformed, he's good now, and he's good Al Qaeda. They actually said that. Outrageous. I mean, in my mind, 9-11 was, you know, two weeks ago. That's how fresh it still is in my mind. You know, okay, you have to think it's 24 and a half years ago. Maybe people have forgotten. But if they have forgotten, then we need to remind them of what happened on 9-11. Because Al Qaeda is not moderate, period. It's not. It's an avowed enemy of the United States.

2:13:31 And look, all you have to do is look at that footage right there. So, so, John, there's so much to cover here, but let's finish up with your historic case and your unique inside perspective on what's happening now. Because I'm sure you've followed the great Ray McGovern, who was one of the top CIA morning briefers to George Herbert Walker Bush and others. He's explained how they keep Presidents in the dark, even former CIA directors like him. It's the, this is the key to these agencies and bureaucracies and how they keep control. And then I have listeners all the time go, Oh no, no, no. Trump knows everything. He's the president. They have the best intel. No, no. Trump said it his first admin. They kept lying to him about everything. He admits he was kept in the dark. So people need to grow up and understand how this works.

2:14:19 Oh you've hit it on the head right there. The truth of the matter is presidents come and go, right? You're president for four years, maybe eight years, you come and go. But if you're a senior CIA leader, you are there for 25, 30, 35 years and they know that if the president tells them to do something that they don't want to do, they just can outweigh that president. They just say, yes, Mr. President, we're on it. We're going to get right on it, sir. And then they don't do anything. And then they just wait until he's not president anymore or until some other story breaks and he just forgets. But that's not it at all. If Donald Trump says that the CIA lied to him in the past, I would bet the CIA lied to him times 10.

2:15:05 And he didn't even realize the extent to which he was being lied to. Well, you're an expert on the Middle East, but just remember Trump a year into his first administration ordered 10,000 troops that he found out about out of Syria. And two years later, he found out they were still there. I mean, this is mutinous behavior. Yeah, you're absolutely right. The president is the commander in chief of the armed forces. It's one of his several titles. Commander in chief. And so if the president wants troops to leave a location, by God, they have to leave that location. And they didn't leave Syria. And look at the Sahel. Every once in a while, one of the big newspapers around the country will have a story about how we've got special forces in some place like Mauritania or Mali or Niger, and they're fighting these shadowy al Qaeda related groups.

2:15:59 there's been no declaration of war from Congress. And if the president then goes on TV and says he doesn't really know anything about this, that tells me that the information is being kept from him. And that's just, as you said, it's mutinous. And I watched the whole Tucker interview and already knew about your case and followed it and covered it quite a bit over the years. But But now this is information whose time has come. People are now more receptive to understand how dangerous this is. Here you are, a top guy, highly respected, some of the best work that's been done, and then they charge you with a bunch of stuff, throw you in prison, do horrible things to your family. They wanted you to be there a lot longer. Could have been the death penalty. Just in a few minutes we have until break, just kind of give us a synopsis for those who don't know what they did to you.

2:16:44 sure they charge me with five felonies recounts of espionage one count of making a false statement which we were never really clear as to exactly what the false statement was supposed to have been and one count of violating the intelligence identities protection act of nineteen eighty two I hadn't committed espionage just like you hadn't committed espionage but what they did is they waited until I went bankrupt with massive legal fees and then they dropped the espionage charges And finally they offered me rather than forty five years in prison which was their initial offer they offered me thirty months in prison i actually turned it down. And then my my attorneys. Talk to me into it saying look this can be a blip in your life or it can be the defining event of your life make the blip i have five kids at home.

2:17:36 I was risking 12 to 18 years in prison if I got caught. They wanted to put Owen in jail for like six years for being outside the Capitol. My co-host tried to keep him from going in. And then, so he went ahead and pled to four months. People go, you shouldn't have done that. We don't have the money. We already spent a half million in his defense. And then they swore they were going to drop it. And then they didn't. That's what they do. They just bankrupt you. Just responding to these different grand juries that have been out against me in the last five, six years. My lawyer's not supposed to talk about it, but it's cost me millions of dollars to not get indicted on stuff that was all completely made up, and now they're trying again. And I'm not trying to be a victim either. I want people to understand how widespread this is. Oh my God. Brett Tolman, the former US attorney in Utah during President Trump's first term, called my case the template for the Democratic Party's policy of lawfare against its enemies. Wow. And that's exactly what it was.

2:18:34 Wow, so this really got tested. They always say I'm patient zero and or General Flynn. No, you are. Yeah, I was before both of them, both you and General. Oh yeah. Well, I'm General Flynn took it on the chin. Look what they did to General Flynn. Yeah, you all you can do. I'll tell you exactly what my lawyer said. He said, you know what your problem is? Your problem is you think this is about justice and it's not about justice. It's about mitigating damage. Take the deal. And I took the deal. Knowing that the government wins 98.2% of its cases, according to ProPublica. Because it's so rigged. We're going to write a few minutes, but let's start here and any other areas you want to get to, there's a million places to go. If you were advising Trump, what does he need to do to really accelerate dismantling these

2:19:28 these people because anybody that knows history and societies when things get corrupt they get more corrupt more arrogant more above the law and then now these agencies just go from bad to worse and it's horrifying. Yes well I would recommend to President Trump that he follow in the footsteps of President Reagan. President Reagan appointed Not just an outsider in in bill casey to be director of the cia but he appointed a loyalist be the deputy director of the cia and the deputy director for operations and that way at each of those levels.

2:20:08 report directly back to the president himself. So if he wanted to make major change real change. He could do it he had the wherewithal to do it- unfortunately there are still. The CIA leadership is still insiders people who don't know their their- their fealty to president trump. They're just a part of that deep state. And for those that don't know, just from talking to people that I know who are personally involved in it, There's litmus tests. First, hey, they got this hooker for you. Next, hey, take this money. Next, hey, we're going to be doing it. And the next, you're 10 years later and they're loading little kids on planes that are kidnapped from orphanages to go God knows where. And you finally go, this is too far. I'm against this. And then they come after you. And so that's where all this is. And that happened to my mom's brother, great guy, died about 11 years ago. Loved him so much. And he didn't tell me some of this until he was dying.

2:21:05 And so he was an Iran Contra and it was an army officer. But it's just, it's so bad. And you talk about that on Tucker, we're gonna come back and play the club, that people don't have any idea of the level of the evil we're talking about here. Because it's compartmentalized and no matter how evil you get, there's gonna be some compartment or faction that's just as evil or as bad as you and they're gonna recruit you. And it's just, it's pure evil. There's some little compartments that are really evil and big ones that are evil and some that are really good. It's just the way the world works. It's all a fight between good versus evil. And it starts with the individual. We'll be right back with our special guest. I'm not the kind of guy that gives warnings, but this is the first time since 2008 that I think this is a warning. This is the biggest financial news that I think the world has seen in decades.

2:20:08 report directly back to the president himself. So if he wanted to make major change real change. He could do it he had the wherewithal to do it- unfortunately there are still. The CIA leadership is still insiders people who don't know their their- their fealty to president trump. They're just a part of that deep state. And for those that don't know, just from talking to people that I know who are personally involved in it, There's litmus tests. First, hey, they got this hooker for you. Next, hey, take this money. Next, hey, we're going to be doing it. And the next, you're 10 years later and they're loading little kids on planes that are kidnapped from orphanages to go God knows where. And you finally go, this is too far. I'm against this. And then they come after you. And so that's where all this is. And that happened to my mom's brother, great guy, died about 11 years ago. Loved him so much. And he didn't tell me some of this until he was dying.

2:21:05 And so he was an Iran Contra and it was an army officer. But it's just, it's so bad. And you talk about that on Tucker, we're gonna come back and play the club, that people don't have any idea of the level of the evil we're talking about here. Because it's compartmentalized and no matter how evil you get, there's gonna be some compartment or faction that's just as evil or as bad as you and they're gonna recruit you. And it's just, it's pure evil. There's some little compartments that are really evil and big ones that are evil and some that are really good. It's just the way the world works. It's all a fight between good versus evil. And it starts with the individual. We'll be right back with our special guest. I'm not the kind of guy that gives warnings, but this is the first time since 2008 that I think this is a warning. This is the biggest financial news that I think the world has seen in decades.

2:21:56 Since the 1980s, Japan has been the financer of global growth with something called the yen carry trade. They had like zero interest rates, artificially keeping them low. You could borrow the yen at zero. If you're a central bank or a hedge fund or any kind of massive monetary financial institution and invested in European treasuries, maybe getting 3%. So that's what funded the stock market growth globally. Well, now that has run its course. Right, the inflation in Japan has gotten so much that they're forced to raise interest rates. The global financing of all of the global equity growth is basically losing its number one capital injector. So let's put it into the context of America. Here's the problem. You've got insurance companies that own 90% of their portfolio in bonds. And so the US bond market is collapsing.

2:22:56 If you were to take a chart of the US bond market and the Japanese bond market, overlay them on top of each other, Alex, they look almost exactly the same. That's an ugly negative though, Alex. But what's the positive? The precious metals markets are telling us something. They're telling us that there's a flight for quality that's starting to happen. Every fundamental thing that we're looking at right now is causing gold and silver to go up. Absolutely, Kirk. You're the guy. That's why you're number one. We love you and we appreciate you. And it's frightening to me and disgusting that almost every other gold company out there is ripping people off with numismatics. And it's pure BS. Not with these folks. They want to learn about you. And it's all completely transparent right now, ladies and gentlemen. Give them a call. 720-605-3900. Kirk Elliott, Precious Metals, kpm.com, 4-slush-gold. Kirk, talk to you soon.

2:23:43 John Kiriakou is our guest a very famous high-level CIA counterterrorism expert previous to that analyst put in prison for exposing the now totally admitted massive illegal torture program And again, it's just like Fauci with the Beagles they do stuff like that everywhere and it's to see if their lab workers and projects will do horrible things and Then they take those people and recruit them into secret human experimentation like Fauci did, predominantly with little black kids across the country with experimental very dangerous HIV drugs. And the reason I go to this is, this is the system of corruption in different societies throughout time to see how far you'll go. And really with the public, they're seeing how much we'll put up with. And when you study this stuff, so much of it will just be done randomly and for no reason other than to see

2:24:44 If they can get enough personnel and people that they're also compromising. They'll tell you go torture somebody, and then later they'll say, well, you did that wrong, you better do this for us now. Let me ask you this, John, I know you can't get into the classified stuff that happened back then, I'll try to indict you again for exposing crime, even though exposing a serious crime is willful blowing, it's protected by law. But what was your moral, when you're the head commander of the CIA over there, counterterrorism in the thick of this huge war, right from 9-11. about the hotspot of hotspots in Afghanistan. And I mean, do you see the orders come down or do your people come to you to say, hey, we really follow these? Or I mean, when did you start learning that the torture is going on and locking people in coffins and the rest of it? And what was your moral process like when you decided to go to your bosses and say, well, this is illegal and then what they ignore you. So finally you go, well, that's it. I got to call the media or what happened?

2:25:42 I wish that I could tell you that I was so outraged that I stood up and I told them and that wasn't it at all. What happened was it started the night after we caught Abu Zubaydah or the night actually, the night that we caught Abu Zubaydah, we caught him in a safe house in Faisalabad, Pakistan. And there were just dozens and dozens of Al Qaeda fighters that we caught in these various safe houses. So we had our own safe house. It was a 10 bedroom, 10 bathroom house. And we got a house that big so we could use the bedrooms to interrogate Al Qaeda prisoners. And so there were so many of them, Alex, that we had to bring them in in shifts in a paddy wagon, 10 at a time. So the first load came in and they were brought in by this idiot who was working for me. And all of the prisoners had hoods on their heads.

2:26:36 And I said, why are they hooded? And he said, we don't want them to see our faces. And I said, are you seriously telling me that you have never read the Geneva Convention? It is a war crime to put hoods on them. Take the hoods off. And he says, wait a minute, don't take the hoods off. And he says, I'm going to report you to headquarters. And I said, oh, I'm already reporting you to headquarters. Take the hoods off. They took the hoods off. We reported each other to headquarters. I got reprimanded. And I thought, OK. So this is the new world that we're dealing in where we're just going to pretend that these rules, these laws don't exist. These are actual laws. That we executed Germans and Japanese over. Exactly. We executed people over this. And so

2:27:26 In May of two thousand two, two months after we caught up as a beta, I went back to headquarters and I was asked by a senior officer in the CIA's counterterrorism center if I wanted to be trained in these torture techniques. And I consulted a senior officer, a very senior officer. And I said, look, this is immoral. It's illegal. It's unethical. I don't want any part of it. And I was actually I was actually passed over for promotion. Because well to use my boss's words I had displayed a shocking lack of commitment to counter terrorism. Shocking lack of I just captured the number three Al Qaeda with these two hands but I'm I'm displaying a shocking lack of commitment to counter terrorism. So I ended up getting promoted anyway because the deputy director of the CIA promoted me he knew what I had done and he supported me. But

2:28:22 But this cause no end of problems i had a buddy who was both a psychiatrist at the cia and a brigadier general in the army. And he said to me one day you know they call you the human rights guy behind your back i said yeah i don't care and he said you know that's not a compliment right and i said yeah i know it's not a compliment i don't care because i'm on the right side of this and they are not. And so i just let it go well i left the cia in two thousand two thinking somebody is gonna say something somebody is gonna go public and report this illegal program and nobody said a word and then in december of two thousand seven.

2:29:03 Brian Ross called me from ABC News and said that he had a source who said that I had tortured Abu Zubaydah. I said that was absolutely untrue. I was the only person who was kind to Abu Zubaydah. I never laid a hand on Abu Zubaydah or on any other prisoner. And he said, well, you're welcome to come on the show and defend yourself. And to tell you the truth, I was going to say no. I said I'd think about it. Two days later, George W. Bush gives a press conference And a reporter asked him about these three reports that had come out, one from Human Rights Watch, one from Amnesty International, and one from the Red Cross, all saying that the CIA was torturing prisoners. And the president looked right in the camera and he said, we do not torture. And I said to my wife, who was also a senior CIA officer, I said, he is a bald-faced liar. He's looking the American people in the eye and he's just lying.

2:30:03 And so a couple of days later, it's a Friday, and the president walks out of the South Portico of the White House to walk to the helicopter to go to Camp David. And a reporter shouted a question at him about torture. And he turned around and said, well, if there is torture, it's the result of a rogue CIA officer. And I told my wife, Brian Ross's source is at the White House, and they're going to try to put this on me. So I called Brian Ross and said, oh, you're interviewing me. Oh, yeah. Oh, totally.

2:31:00 Yeah, that's what they do. They pin it on some sucker who can't defend himself. And that was what the plan was with me. So I went on Brian Ross's show. Well, it was ABC News and then subsequently to that on Nightline. And I decided no matter what he asked me, I was going to tell the truth. And so that's what I did. I told the truth and I said three things. I said that the CIA was torturing its prisoners. I said that torture was official U.S. government policy. And I said that the president himself had authorized the torture. And my life has never been the same. And it's the same MO. I remember the Egyptian intelligence agent, we've had him on many times years ago, who recorded the FBI saying, go ahead, go ahead with a real bomb of the first World Trade Center attack.

2:31:55 And it was the same story where, build a fake bomb, build a real truck bomb. Okay, let them deliver it. And then he understood he was being set up, so he recorded them. And of course, they even came after him. Was that a mod salon going from memory? But it's just the same thing. Wow, so they were trying to set you up. Well, may I add something to that too? Because you've just hit on something that I think is very important. Something that everybody should know. The FBI doesn't get promoted not arresting you right the FBI doesn't get promoted by not charging you with a crime. This is how they get ahead in their careers by ruining your life. After my own arrest and incarceration- I learned of a case in- in Cleveland Ohio that became known as the route eighty two bridge case. And what it was essentially was three morons who were sitting in a in a bar one night. And they

2:32:51 Drink a beer they had had a lot to drink and this fourth guy who they vaguely knew came in and said oh you know would be really cool. We could stick it to the man we should blow up the route eighty two bridge and they said yeah yeah that would be so much fun that would be cool. They've been drinking what turns out that man number four was an FBI informant. And he went back to the FBI and he said, I've recruited these three guys. They're willing to blow up the Route 82 bridge. It's going to be a terrorist attack. So the FBI provided inert materials. They provided dummy dynamite and blasting caps and all that stuff. And so these guys went out to the bridge and they did the plunger down and nothing happened. And the FBI comes out of the bushes and arrests everybody. OK.

2:33:40 The FBI set up that operation. These idiots were just drinking in a bar. They didn't have any intention of blowing up the Route 82 bridge until an FBI informant told them that's what they should do. But they got 20, 25, and 30 years in federal prisons for that operation. And it was completely fake. And then you see Jan 6, the same story over and over and over again. You see the fake Whitmer kidnapping plot in Michigan. I mean, without going into the stories, I had the first five, six, seven years I was on air, I had people try this on me. And some of the stories are just so insane.

2:34:26 And it's just so widespread. I meant to play the Tucker Carlson clip. Let's play clip two where you talk about the CIA and the deep state have committed unthinkable crimes in the name of national security. Here it is. I'm not sure that we can trust our government. Everything that the CIA has told us since 2001 has been a lie. And it doesn't matter who's in the White House. In August 2015, the White House killed 424 people. These are people who've never been charged with a crime. They've never faced their accusers in court. They've never had their day to explain themselves. We're just supposed to take the CIA's word for it that these are bad people. One of my attorneys is representing a drone whistleblower right now. And he told me recently that he was operating his drone from a basin, I think it was Nevada or New Mexico. He's connected by radio and the guy in CENTCOM says, you see the target? Launch.

2:35:29 And the guy said, I can't launch, there's a child next to him. And the guy at CENTCOM said, it's not a child, it's a goat. And he said, man, I'm looking at it, it's a child. And he told him, launch. But the guy said, I couldn't launch that thing. And he didn't. Well, now he's facing court-martial and possibly other charges, including a dishonorable discharge for refusing to kill a child. I mean, is this really where we want our country to be? Have we so turned our backs on civil liberties since September 11th in the name of national security? It was a child where Americans were better than that. And it's not too late to turn this thing around. Ed Snowden opened so many doors for people around the world to discuss these issues. That courage

2:36:23 is just so rare and so special he risked everything and because he did it in such a public fashion the big guns were pulled out against him and I told him Don't come home. I said you won't get a fair trial in the Eastern District of Virginia Your jury will be made up of people from the CIA FBI DOD Homeland Security and every intelligence and defense contractor in Washington I said don't come home not until the American people come to their senses and realize what a national service you've provided and that's from a film and there's also a similar clip from Tucker, but

2:37:08 And this is just some of the stuff we know about. There's so much intimidation, there's things even, you know, far worse, far more insane. I mean, they admit the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, they had CIA mind control programs with over 10,000 foster children literally creating sex slaves, you name it. That's been a Discovery Channel decades ago. I mean, this is a labyrinth under the National Security Act where psychopaths and control freaks and sadists can operate in free reign. How bad, do you have any idea how bad it really is? No, I don't think that anybody has a real idea of how bad it is because the former CI director Richard Helms ordered that all those documents related to the operations that you just mentioned be destroyed in violation of the Federal Records Act, which would be a felony.

2:37:59 But they were destroyed and alexi you raise another important issue here i give a lot of speeches at colleges and universities and i always use. same. Example now this is hypothetical okay I want to be clear this is hypothetical but it's a real life hypothetical situation let's say that you are a CIA. Case officer and operations officer and you've recruited a guy who's a penetration of a terrorist group bona fide terrorist group. Al Qaeda ISIS you know whatever Hezbollah makes a difference you meet with him every month. In a hotel somewhere in the Middle East.

2:38:39 And this guy has given you actionable intelligence that you have used to disrupt attacks and save American lives. So you fly out to the Middle East for a regular meeting, and he says to you, I've been good to you, and I've given you everything that you've wanted. So now tonight you're going to do something for me. I'm not going to give you anything else until you go out and get me a prostitute. So i always ask the audience how many would give him the prostitute raise your hands and it's usually about eighty percent that put their hands in the air and i say yeah it's it's kind of a dirty business it's a dirty job but this is the job that we've chosen so the answer is yes you would you would get the prostitute but what happens if he asks for a child.

2:39:28 And everybody gets very nervous and they look around and about 10% will very gingerly put their hands up and I say absolutely not. Not under any circumstances. But here's the problem. There's no rule at the CIA. They're not going to give you a class, a course in ethics so that you can say, oh, well, now wait a minute. Now they told us in our ethics class this is wrong to target in sex traffic children. There's no rule. And so there's nobody at headquarters that's going to tell you, no, you cannot traffic a child. Well, John Kiriakou, you say this is hypothetical because I know you don't want to violate national security, but it's come out that the CIA in Afghanistan, particularly where you were the head CIA guy to counter terrorism, would like to put in local leaders and mayors who were known pedophiles because they would do whatever they were told to them to pay them a lot just for children. And that that's actually been a regime. And so you're really letting the cat out of the bag here.

2:40:32 Yeah, you know what you're talking about in Afghanistan was a very big problem that the CIA tried to explain away by saying, well, it's not that they're real pedophiles. This is a cultural thing that's specific to Afghan, Sunni Muslim Afghan men. And then you have to say, no, they're pedophiles. Let's just call a spade a spade. Yeah, that'd be like saying headhunters like to grab people on South Pacific, uh, you know, fishing trips and kill them and shrink their heads. So it's okay if they do it because it's their culture. Right. It's cultural. It's cultural. So we're going to cut him some slack. No, no. We're talking about children here. Children. Somebody's got to say no. And then that got expanded to the giant Pakistan grooming rape gangs in the UK. The government actually said, well, it's, it's their culture. Right.

2:41:28 Yeah, you know Alex when I was in prison, one of my cellmates was an Afghan who was in for raping his 14 year old niece. And I said to him, buddy, you're going to have a big problem here because that crime is not cool. And he said, well, I forgive her. And I said, excuse me? He said, yeah, I forgive her. I said, for what? And he said, for reporting me. After all, it's just a part of our culture. I said, don't ever speak to me again. Understand? Don't ever speak to me again. And that's how I left it. Wow. There's so many angles, so many places to go. We've got to get you back on again soon. But, um,

2:42:18 Just looking at the Trump administration, all the things, the escalation with Israel and Iran, with Zelensky and Ukraine, just your 35,000 foot view on where the world is geopolitically right now. How would you describe this time? I would call it the beginnings of a new world war, but just most people don't know it. Yeah, I think that if you're looking at this with clear eyes, I think that's probably what it is. I will say that there are a couple of things that give me hope. Number one is that Donald Trump has been able to walk this very thin line successfully where he is pro-Israel but not pro-Netanyahu.

2:43:01 And that's something that American presidents haven't been able to do in 20 years. So the reason I say that is because in all the years that I was in government, whether it was the CIA or the State Department or the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, literally every single time Benjamin Netanyahu came to the United States, the first thing out of his mouth was, please bomb Iran for us. And every single president would say no, there's no reason to bomb Iran. Donald Trump has been able to push him aside without alienating pro-Israel voters or Israelis themselves. And I think that's quite remarkable. And without legitimizing and empowering Hezbollah and Hamas. Exactly right. This is a real tightrope he's walking. And I have to say, very impressed. I've not seen any other president do it. No, I totally agree. And it's

2:43:54 What do you think the larger political aim is of the global left literally green lighting Islam and acting like it can do no harm when obviously in my view it is the most dangerous cancerous expansionist thing on the planet right now other than communist China? agree. I wrote an article just the day before yesterday about why I'm not a Democrat. You know I was raised as a Democrat in a Democratic family. Never really thought about it just sort of accepted everything and now. How this sea change has taken place is a mystery to me where it's the Democratic Party that is the pro war party. It's the Democratic Party that is the pro CIA party. It's the Democrats that are

2:44:35 the pro expansionist and interventionist party. How did that happen it was Democrats marching in the streets in the sixties and seventies to get us out of Vietnam now the Democrats want to jump into every war around the world with both feet. And that's that's on American so look at the look at the situation right now- between. Russia and Ukraine why does that have to be our conflict. And listen, if we're gonna be anti-war, then we should be anti-war. But at the same time, this thing didn't start two years ago. This thing started every time the United States promised Russia that NATO would not expand to Russia's borders and then lied about it with Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, all jumping in and joining NATO.

2:45:33 Every single time. Everybody tries to make it, oh you're endorsing everything Putin does. No. No. I don't want to encircle China and start a war with them. I don't agree with Xi Jinping. We would never put up with what, 10% of what we've done to Russia? And now they're attacking the strategic bomber fleet and moving missiles up their borders. We would never put up with that. In fact, we did not put up with that. Just look at the Cuban Missile Crisis. We almost went to worldwide nuclear war just because we would not put up with that kind of behavior from the Soviets. So why should the Russians put up with that kind of behavior from the West today? It doesn't make any sense. And that was missiles 90 miles off that were tinker toys compared to what I mean, they're moving in those as you know, hypersonic missiles around their border and Putin said, look, that's right. You can fire some because we see a big launch. We think it's a sneak attack. We're taking it as a nuclear attack, which is true because those missiles are designed to carry nukes. I mean, and NATO, everything they're doing is trying to poke them into it

2:46:31 Then I see some of these Pentagon people and others and Sean Penn going, I hear nuclear war is survivable. Let's have one. I mean, this is megalomania turned up to 11. You know, that's what Pat Buchanan used to say in the 80s, that nuclear war was winnable and that we just stay in our caves or our underground bunkers for a couple of weeks. We come out and shower the nuclear waste off of ourselves and then just pick up the pieces. That's a dystopian fantasy. We can't do five more minutes with us for people that don't know there's 400 plus big nuclear reactors There's thousands of little ones a whole bunch of secret ones in all the war games just the ones in Europe Russia in here

2:47:12 You're talking about hundreds of Chernobyl's and Fukushima's in a nuclear war. They're all going to melt down. Society's going to break down. And when the civilization, this complex gets built up to like this, even a limited nuclear war will probably create a new dark age, not to mention a nuclear winter and massive crop failures and billions dead. So yeah, these people saying it's winnable are insane. Yes. You've hit it right on the head. It's not winnable. And even if it were winnable, what would a win look like? John, I'm going to come back and talk a little bit about your book specifically. And then you tell me when you can come back on on specific topics or when something's breaking you want to respond to it because your analysis is dead on and it makes the hair on the back of my neck crawl that they put this guy in prison and they're trying to put me in prison. I'm not whining as a victim. It makes me viscerally get pissed.

2:51:52 the Alex Jones Methylene Blue here. It's great stuff, so thank you Alex. Keep it coming. Powered by Methylene Blue. Ultra Methylene Blue. At TheAlexJonesStore.com John Kiriakou, very famous, very brave CIA whistleblower is our guest. We're almost out of time here. I want him back soon. I want him to talk about some of his books. I haven't read any of them. I know about him quite a bit, but I want to obviously get some of them and read them. But separately, I was just thinking about this, about accountability. Nobody in the corrupt FBI bureaucracy, DOJ bureaucracy, CIA, any of them ever get in trouble. It's only people that expose evil that do.

2:52:30 the level of unaccountability and arrogance and danger that creates. And just imagine what we don't know about going on. But you can finally see a lot of the arrogance. Some of these CIA guys like Mudd would go on TV and say, we're gonna kill Trump. You know, they're not doing that so much now. You saw what Comey did, you know, 86, 47. But just from their body language and behavior, do you see the John Brennans as arrogant as they used to be? Or are they just as bad as ever? Oh, I think they're just as bad as ever. The president has revoked their security clearances, which is great. He has banned them from federal buildings, which is also great. But I would go so far as to say that a lot of these guys have committed actual crimes. Come on, 86-47? To me, that's a threat. That's a crime. And so I think we need to see some prosecutions here.

2:53:24 Well, especially like Trump said the background of coming running the deep state persecutions and fake operations and trying to put everybody in prison like Flynn. Then this isn't the janitor saying, hey, kill Trump. That's right. This was a contract being put out. That's how I saw it. That's how I saw it. Yeah. And look at Robert Mueller, too. You know, we can't forget about Robert Mueller, but he's the one that pushed through the eight Espionage Act prosecutions that we saw during the Obama administration. What about Mueller? You know, he's treated as some kind of senior thinker in government. And I would say the man's a criminal.

2:54:05 Incredible. In closing, I want to read a couple of your books you've written, Nate. If you just recommend two, what are they and what do they cover? Oh, thank you. I would say The Reluctant Spy, My Secret Life in the CIA's War on Terror, which was my first one, and Doing Time Like a Spy, How the CIA Taught Me to Survive and Thrive in Prison. And then I've got, this is my third one. It's like the definitive account of the Abu Zubaydah capture, the convenient terrorist. Thanks for asking. John Kiriakou, thank you so much. And again, where do people find you? Where's the best place? That'd be johnkiriakou.substack.com, johnkiriakou.com. And of course, you're on X as well? Yes, yes, to all three. That's right, where I got all the great videos that we didn't have time to get to. Everybody should really watch your feed. You can learn a lot there. Thank you so much, sir. Thanks for having me. You bet. Okay.

2:55:00 I want to hit the Russia escalation, responding to the NATO escalation. That's what it is, not Ukraine. I want to get into some of the latest politics and news. But I'll be honest, I did that update last hour for like 20 minutes on the lawfare against us. I hadn't Googled my name because I'm a little over myself, you know what I mean? I'm into all this other news, but this is newsworthy whether it was me personal or not. I'll be covering this probably more with somebody else. But believe me, I'm sick of it. They're not wearing me down. It's just the level of lying, it's just like everything is a lie. And you sit there in the courtroom looking at these people and they know they're villains. And they're saying you're a villain. And then

2:55:49 After I did the updater while I was doing it the producer walked in I guess they thought oh, yeah, maybe we should you know tell them about this the stuff they wrote yesterday about the hearing is is is Hilarious because when you actually experience something and know all about the angles of it It gives you a new knowledge the level of corporate media lying I mean the fantasy land that they extrapolated out of that three-hour hearing to turn into this is just a full education in gaslighting and satanic deception. We'll be right back. All right, so, Kash Patel began his PR campaign responding to the disastrous effects and firestorm out of him and his deputy director Dan Bongino almost three weeks ago now saying, look, Crooks acting alone we know, open and shut. And Butler and Epstein killed himself with paper sheets with a huge

2:56:53 strangulation marks clearly from a cord. And well, yeah, there's no footage of it. The cameras fell, but trust us, we've seen the file that the people that covered it up gave you. Wow, that and look, I want to believe in cash Patel and Dan Bongino overall that they're doing a great job, but they look like deer in the headlights or they had guns to their heads like they were prisoners, hostages when they did it. And everybody had the same response. I mean, we were the first to kind of say this is like pure horse crap. Like a day after, everybody else was kind of waiting because we don't want to talk bad about anybody. I mean, I'm sorry. I am just not going to have somebody pee on me and tell me it's raining. I mean, look at the body language here. I mean, this is not good. So the first thing I thought about was this body language. When Elon came out yesterday and said, yeah, in the Epstein files, and he's, they're just being covered up because he's in there.

2:57:53 I've done so much research on this, have so many sources and know the MO. I was like, that's not accurate, but then why would Elon be doing this? And I got a massive headache. I mean, I don't normally get headaches from stress. And it got nauseous in the courtroom while I'm listening to all this go on. And I looked over at the bad guy lawyers, they were looking at me like, oh look, we've gotten to him. And I had to like steady myself and had to go out to the bathroom, I started sweating in front of the mirror. putting water on my face. I mean, I was just because I've invested so much in Trump and Musk, they've helped the country so much. I know they're doing a great job. I know the true evil that's been after me and my family is after you, is after them. And I don't believe that there's a lesser of two evils or unjustified as the means, but that's what happened in my head. Well, if Trump stops nuclear war, but is involved in Epstein,

2:58:52 And I wasn't rationalizing it, it's how people's brains run through things. I'm like, no, if it comes out Trump's involved, I'll expose it and call for his removal. But I go, but then the brain starts going, it'll be deepfakes, it's fake information, Elon Musk. And I'm just like, ee-ow-ee-ow-ee-ow-ee-ow-ee-ow-ee-ow-ee-ow-ee-ow-ee-ow. So I went out and like sat on the bench and about five minutes later, somebody, one of my folks was already going, you need to get back in there, you need to get back in there. And I'm just like, and folks, I've been on there 31 years and I've got news of family dying or heart attacks or kids falls out of a tree. I've got a lot of bad news like anybody's been around has. I don't normally crack up and I wasn't visibly cracking up, but I went back in the courtroom and I'm having a panic attack for the last hour of it reading the news.

2:59:48 And people and you're asking why we got all I mean, we know the Democrats are devil worshipping pedophiles part of an international crime syndicate a death cult with an evil CIA and mi6 and cure star mer and just the worst stuff you can imagine and So my brain is like Robbie the robot when he gets conflicting stuff. He can't compute and I know Trump's way better than them, even if this was true, which I'm not getting people for that to come out, because I don't believe it is. I'm just telling you a little snivelet of how my brain, the top of my head blew off when I was sitting there listening to the judge people talk and my phone's going, and I'm just ignoring it. And I look and there's like 50 messages from everybody with Elon Musk tweet. And I know you probably felt the same right now.

3:00:56 Or then, what I meant to say is even remembering it yesterday, I feel completely ill now. And I noticed the left when I halfway told that story yesterday while driving back doing a live feed about how they made me sick and was upsetting. They're like, look, they're upset, they're tearing each other apart. Just this being a possibility or that Elon might have gone crazy or crazier. It's good to be somewhat crazy in a world of mindless idiots that are actually crazy. That's all the left. Oh, look Jones is cracking up. Jones is upset. Yeah, it's not a weakness that I have emotions and a soul I mean we're doing real good here with ma and the border and stopping the human trafficking And I mean, this is good work. I feel good and I just realized not everybody's got a conscience Or I guess a soul, but if you're not physically ill over this There's something wrong with you

3:02:04 And I saw so many populists and so-called patriots like get the popcorn out. And I'm with Trump or I'm with Elon, Alex, pick a side. And I'm like, I don't even know what the truth is here, I gotta process this. So just during the break, I was going back to your state to talk about some angles that haven't hit and it just literally made me sick again. And it's not as bad as it was, but it's about a third of it. It's literally a flashback of a trauma. Jesus Christ, help me God. I don't have many anxiety attacks. First time I had one, I was about 15. I told my mom about it. I was just sitting there in the library studying and all of a sudden couldn't breathe. My mom goes, that's a panic attack, son. Did you drink too much caffeine? I'm like, yeah, I did drink a bunch of coffee that morning. Then I had a Coke. She goes, yeah, I had too much caffeine. Probably had like 20 panic attacks in my life, but most of them in the last couple of years. The first thing I want to do is take my shirt off. That always makes it go away. But

3:03:15 The point is, is that we're really trying to save civilization, you and I, all of this. And we've been persecuted and we've invested a lot in this. And you start to win and things start to get good. And then something happens like this. And then you start seeing all the responses trying to gauge what's going on and looking for ideas and angles to brainstorm. And you see people, most people are either, ah, I love it, I want Trump to go down. Or I love it, I love seeing him fight. Or I hate Elon, I love Trump being tribal. And just trying to score points of what'll get a headline. I don't do that. I mean, obviously, I come out with headlines all day long. And they're easy. And say things, and I'm not putting Bannon down, I really like Bannon, but the next time I'm on the show, I'm bringing it up to him. We need to deport Elon and seize his company for this. I know he's super loyal to Trump, and all the rest of it, but he's a US citizen, you can't deport him, you can't seize his company. Come on, that's what we're fighting with the Democrats have been doing. So, and I get it, it's a cheap trick.

3:04:22 But you know Elon's got serious Asperger's, high functioning, 180 IQ, so he can intellectually, you know, come off and everything and has feelings, but his main consciousness is just absolutely obsessed with task and science. And it's his life. It's like those spaceships are his children, his obsessions. And anything he likes, he's obsessed with. Women, having children, innovating, dominating, science, stabilizing his base. He goes, the best place in the world is the West and the US is stabilizing the West. I must save the West to complete interplanetary operation, my main mission. And he's telling you, all right? And look, he's looked very distressed last month, a lot of stress.

3:05:18 So we don't need to go, oh look, a rich guy's falling apart. Let's piss on him and let's go be mean to him. I'd already figured Elon out like five years ago. And they like took his son away and the COVID stuff and all that. I said, Elon's gonna be on our team about really quick. Then I had dinner with Joe Rogan about four years ago. He just had dinner with Elon and he said, oh, Elon's completely pissed. Elon's totally on board. He knows all this stuff's true, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And just wait till you see what he does. And Joe said, I'm going hardcore. He goes, everything you said is right, Alex. And I'm totally behind you. And it's just incredible how you had the whole blueprint. You know, Elon knows that. We all appreciate it. We're trying to figure out how to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah

3:06:13 And I'm not telling you that to toot my horn. I know what's going on. And you attack somebody like me and I can't help it but fight back against you. But with somebody like Elon, it becomes a total driving operation. So I compartmentalize. I don't fight the globalists because they're trying to shut me down. I fight them because they're trying to blow the whole planet up. And for Elon, that's his main drive as well. But then you mess with him.

3:06:53 And if Trump keeps doing it, and people around Trump, because they're jealous of Elon, not Trump. Believe me, he's not jealous of anybody. You got the same stuff going on over there. I'll say it, Trump is autistic. And not in a bad way. I mean, we all, they call that spectrum people that have different gifts, because it's usually associated with gifts. I mean, most of your top mathematicians have Asperger's. Most of your top computer programmers and physicists. So Elon's a special person.

3:07:33 And so is Trump. And Trump's got all the social stuff down, but if you don't think he has what they call Asperger's, you're stupid. So that's what's happening here. And people ought to really respect Elon Musk. And I mean respect him like he's dangerous. He's a weapon. And you only break the glass when you're in danger. Well, we broke the glass. But when you've got a super nerd genius going around, I mean, that's Frankenstein, folks.

3:08:15 So, and that's Frankenstein, Trump right there. These are our Frankensteins. And they're good Frankensteins. But when you get two of them fighting, I mean Dr. Frankensteins, you got a serious, serious problem. All right, my anxiety, my mini anxiety attack is over. Just in my mind, when I pull up the permutations, let me explain this again to everybody that doesn't get it. Because it took, Roger's really smart, but it took four times getting to get it today. He's like, so are you for Trump or are you for Elon? And I said, Roger, I just said it three times. I'll say it again. If they can bring down Elon, that will intimidate everybody else around Trump and Trump will have his legs cut off from under him. And as great as Trump is, I know Trump watches and he likes to hear he can do it all by himself. Till recently, now he's got religion and he's more powerful because of it. Now understands he needs God, who God gives him to help him.

3:09:18 And Rogers goes, no, that makes sense. Yes, you're right. Yes, yes. And I guess I'm a terrible communicator because Rogers is sharp as a tack. And then I have to remember this goes over some people's heads, like with the Palantir deal. I get it. It's a stunt to say deport Elon. Okay, it's funny. It has ramifications. Oh, 51st State Canada. They live off us, we're gonna take them over. You just got the new world order reelected. That's a mistake Trump made, but he likes jokes, he keeps going with it. And he actually thought, later, yeah, that's a bad idea. So he started being nicer to Canada. So Trump's super smart if you can get him to look into the pieces, but he also goes off knee jerk a lot. And that scares the globalists cuz they can't control him, but his attribute is also his weakness. And it's the same thing with Palantir. I'm like, listen,

3:10:15 This Palantir hysteria is over the fact that Trump's trying to bring them in to take over the technocracy of the shadow government. And people go, my God, you're for Palantir, you're apologizing for it. When I said in the same statement, it's just a competing group coming in for control of the technocracy, it's all bad. And then they even play the clip at different shows, it's hilarious, the mental illness, or they're trying to deceive their audience. And they go, and I'm only talking about this because it's fascinating how people deceive Or maybe I project intelligence on people, maybe it's just they're not sophisticated enough to understand what I'm saying. If you make the story about Palantir and a control grid, instead of what it is, another control grid coming in to try to take control of the main control grid, and then well, you better educate Trump about that.

3:11:06 and then have a larger debate about, okay, we don't have Palantir come in and take it over. So we leave Google and Microsoft and Amazon in control of it. Oh God, you just said Palantir needs to be in control of it. No, I'm being logical. What do you do? Because you're not for Palantir. Okay, I understand that, I agree with you. So what about the existing grid that Trump wants Palantir to come in and get control of and give him an analysis? Trump's trying to take over the grid. Will he dismantle it? Will he reform it? They do some good things, some bad things. They got the stupid Real ID Act that's key to all this. No, I'm trying to even think about how policymakers do. Because if we're going to actually change the world, we can't fight issues one dimensionally. You don't think I could, I've been already talking about Palantir for decades, since it started. Alex Karp, you don't think I didn't see the media in the last year knowing Trump was probably gonna get in and seeing T.O. and Karp giving him a lot of help.

3:12:14 and Musk, which is a separate group but kind of connected. There's the Musk group and there's that one. And on our quote side where the media has put it, the Trump side. And I've been talking about, they say they're gonna come in, they wanna take over the tech administrative structure of how this grows. And people obsessed over the fact of that. And I said, well, that's good. We need to watch these guys, especially Karp with his statements about the right wing and the rest of it being the big danger.

3:12:57 I mean, he sounds like a Southern Poverty Law Center guy. But what I'm saying is, okay, but you understand what does Trump do about the technocracy there? Because it's a government private panopticon interconnected system. So if you've got Karp making a run at being the head honcho and not being a committee of Sundar Pichai and Eric Schmidt and Tim Cook and all the rest of them,

3:13:39 and that club that's admittedly running things, I'm all for getting them out. And that's why the corporate media is like, oh look, Palantir's the danger, it's the police state's new order, everything I always said. And I go, okay, Trump wants this group to replace that group. The other big corporate group is only exposing Karp to act like all the things they've already set up and done is all him, even though he's just trying to come in and take it over. So it's like Gollum and a ringwraith fighting over the ring of Mordor. And so that's what I'm saying is the ring is the system itself. Instead of debating about who's going to have the ring, let's throw the whole damn thing in the volcano. But instead there's 10 times more talk about Palantir right now than there is about AI and the expansion of it. And now we're told AI needs to get 10 times, sorry, 100 times more power than humans get.

3:14:41 And we're not allowed to add power or energy or fertilizer. That's wasteful on the Earth, but AI gets 100 times by 2035. Eric Schmidt said a few months ago or a month ago at Stanford. And that's what they all say, just get out of the way, you're obsolete. And I'm just like this whole group is anti-human. Silicon Valley, all of it says the future is not human. And it's all over. You kind of got on one spectrum of it, the kind of transhumanist light, Elon, who says he's pro-human still. There'll be a place for humans. And then you've got over on the other end, Navaldo and Harari, and the rest of them saying, no, no, no, there'll be no more humans by 2047. So I'm just saying, I'm glad everybody's learned about a baseball card.

3:15:27 in the deck of evil tech, I just said, hey, there's some other baseball cards here you might want to learn about. Oh God, you work for the baseball card because you said there are other baseball cards. And I'm like, is that really? You're like, I'm going to play a card game with one card. And I go, it's a very important game. I want you to know all about the game. Let's read the rules of the game and let me show you the other cards and how they work. Oh my God, you're trying to cover up the Palantir card. I'm like, no, I do complex analysis and multi-dimensional understanding. Like, what's that? You got a fancy fag talk? Talks like a fag. You know, and it's the same thing with a cat turd. You know, nobody knows they are any of that funny stuff or anything against them. People say, what side are you on your state? Trumps or Elons? And I said, I'm on neither side. I'm on team humanity, which is the truth side. And I just not singling out cat turd. I just,

3:16:31 I'm just using that as an example. It became a big 10, 20 million, I couldn't even keep track of it, thread of some of the like 5 million comments. It's just ridiculous. I only spent like five minutes looking at it last night and this morning cuz I just don't have time. And I'll get caught up in stuff like that other than he's like, Jones just called Trump a pedophile. And called all of us are in a cult. Now I said people saying we shouldn't question What I said was, I said, this has been out since one o'clock yesterday. I'm surprised Trump hadn't made a statement about the Epstein allegation. I think he should. I don't believe it happened. I've never seen any evidence of it. So it'll be very interesting if Trump doesn't speak out. By the way, guys, search engine on X. Has Trump responded to the Epstein thing that Elon said yesterday? Cuz people say, well, that gives it attention, it's false. Well, since when does Trump not give something attention when it's false? And maybe they want the beef to go away. I don't know. I mean, I know they say they do, but

3:17:31 That is selling out the movement and joining Elon by saying, wow, I wonder when Trump's gonna comment on this. And they're like, you traitor, you piece of filth, how dare you ask questions? And I go, dude, I'm not your cult. My God, you're saying Trump supporters are a cult. No, you said that. And I have to realize, Some people aren't very intelligent, but others are playing to dumb people. I guess I'm figuring it out more and more. So they just write all this nebulous stuff just to get engagement. And I know people do that, but my God, our supposed people? I mean, we're on the verge of nuclear war here, folks. We need to up the intelligence, not dumb it down. So everything I stand for is completely out in the open.

3:18:23 And I didn't say all this to defend myself. I talked about it so hopefully it gives people some more knowledge about how stuff really works. All right, we're gonna come right back with all the news. Stay with me. You took methylene blue about 30 minutes ago. Are you feeling it? I think I am. Well, you told me during the break something. Repeat what you said is happening. I feel like that stuff in my fingers. I feel tingling fingers. You're feeling the Palpatine love? I think I feel the Palpatine love, yeah. Well go ahead and there's the camera blast them with full power right there. Powered by methylene blue, ultra methylene blue at the Alex Jones store.com. So seriously though I didn't you're in the break I said are you feeling should I feel the tingle? I do. What are you feeling now?

3:19:13 Well, it's kind of going up my arms. I feel it in my head and neck too. Like when I'm talking, it seems like it's not really me talking. I can hear my talking and going, wow, you agree. It's almost like an out of body experience experience for some people. Like, well, that's how it is. Like, I didn't tell you that. It's like you're behind yourself. That is what it feels like. But my brain's going really fast. You know, because my brain, sometimes it goes so fast that I can't get it out on paper. All it does is increase electrochemical activity in the mitochondria, but that's a big deal. No, I really like it. I'm going to have to get on this stuff. Here, show her Kennedy taking it. Kennedy literally gobbles it. Unlimited power! Power! Unlimited power!

3:19:57 Unlimited power! Am I gonna be like that? Well, I'm like that normally. Yeah, you are like that normally. Unlimited power! Unlimited volunteer power! whether it's SpaceX or whether it's Tesla or whether it's Starlink or whether it's Doge saving the West. And then when he sees people not executing the task, he gets more and more angry, more and more obsessed. And he then will have a, I've heard him talk about it, kind of a breakdown. He'll crash and sometimes move to another project and then he'll move back to the other project, but he always gets them done. But two weeks ago, starting to watch him, I said on air, I said, he ain't looking good.

3:21:16 And Trump says, I think he has a problem kind of implying he's on drugs or something. That's not really the MO I've heard. I think it's total obsession. And for people that have never been obsessed with something, you don't know what it's like. And when people with Asperger's at that level that have high IQs, have functional Asperger's, it's like they're being murdered when a project they're dedicated to isn't happening. And I've got friends and people that have it and I'm not gonna

3:21:54 tell the stories as personal and some of them are around, but let's just say this. I've experienced it personally. So you learn what it's like. And I mean, here's an example. Some of these people will love a computer that's 20 years old that they built or that's done work. Even though it's obsolete, then if they basically learned through the bankruptcy or whatever that bad guys are going to get it, it's like a child's about to be murdered. Now, can you imagine that?

3:22:38 Or imagine being in love with, it's like people that are in love with classic cars or whatever, they just love the, you know what I mean? And that's not the same thing, it's just technological stuff particularly. And so people shouldn't be making fun of Elon, I mean you can do it, you can make jokes about it, I'm not saying it's not your right, I'm just saying we're all in a lot of trouble here. And somebody really smart like Elon, says everything I say and then some because he looks at the same data. He says we're at the end of a major turning, it's the biggest ever, if things collapse there will be giant wars, it's a 100% chance almost all of us get killed, it's the end of civilization, and then that messes up my Mars mission interplanetary operation. He's completely honest about it. Like a robot would be. My mission is this primary mission, I need this and that, I need to amass as much wealth as possible to put it into the operation. I mean what was it?

3:23:35 Five, six years ago he sold all his houses and everything he had, the masks. He was sick of taking his time and energy and he said all my money is going into these operations, into my space program. So when the Republicans go, we'll get him, we'll cut NASA funding. Because he'll get all the bids because he has the best quality and the best systems by far, there's not even competition. But they're like, well, we'll just kill the program, get that son of a bitch that way, and watch, he'll go crazy when we do, and he'll leave, and we'll be in control. And they just punched his buttons. And I'm up here warning people, oh, it's coming, folks. Because see, I'm not an idiot savant when it comes to engineering or mathematics or projects.

3:24:17 But I'm a little autistic myself, if that's what you want to call it. It's not your run-of-the-mill Asperger's, I can assure you. But it's a little more of the spiritual type. But I see all this stuff. And now that I've got enough knowledge at a third-dimensional template to apply my metaphysical discernment, the gift of God, it's exponential, my understanding. And then my great failure is oratory skills. Compared to my understanding of things, my understanding of things on a one out of a 10 is about an eight. And my oratory skills are about a 0.1. Now some would say you actually have really good oratory skills. That's the point is how do you extrapolate super advanced integrated knowledge down into something that can be communicated?

3:25:23 That's why years ago I would be talking and interrupting, cuz my voice couldn't talk fast enough to say it all. I mean, here's an example of mathematics and I've never really tried to show off with this. But if I don't try, I can be showing a bunch of big numbers and I can hit the number. I'll just go, that's that. People go, yeah, really? How did you know that? And they're like, what the? I'm like, but if I try to do math, I have the math skills of a fourth grader. If I do it in If I try to do math, I'm terrible. I just go, that's what it is. So, and everybody has these different types of gifts. That's why they bomb you with fluoride and 5G and GMO and microplastics because we're incredible folks. All right, I said I had a bunch of news. I mean, I went into that whole rant about the anxiety attack yesterday.

3:26:30 Cause I just made, I meant back and thought about it and then that brought me back there. That's why I started telling the story and I was just trying to segue into cash Patel. I told you he's about to start a tour three days ago and boy, it broke. So that noon Joe Rogan and a bunch of other shows coming up out of them and what they were doing, trying to sell this BS for whatever reason. And I don't want to attack them. I don't want it to be true. I don't know what it exactly signifies, but it don't smell good. Smells like a bunch of bullshit. Crooks acted alone. Epstein killed himself. The Tooth Fairy is real. So as I told you, I didn't tell you, I told you it was coming. He was on Rogan yesterday and air today. And there's a couple of these clips that are pretty newsworthy. The first one is while they're on air, the news breaks or while they're taping this afternoon, while I'm in federal court at 1.30, they're taping Joe's podcast and

3:27:47 The producer Jamie goes, Hey, look at this. Have you heard this? And then, uh, Kosh seemed to kind of know from his way behaves that he heard this was coming. He's like, I'm not getting in the middle of this, which is a wise move. But then they get into a bunch of Epstein stuff and I'm going to comment on that. So, so play these clips back to back first, the, uh, the Epstein, uh, the, the shorter clip, uh, on, uh, Elon and then into, uh, cash on a larger Epstein controversy. Here it is. Since we were talking about fake news, this is gonna come up because it's been going on since we've been recording here. Uh oh. Elon and Trump seem to be in a bit of a spat, Joe. You wanna check the tweet that Elon just put out a little bit ago? Time to drop the really big bomb. Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. That's the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day. Jesus Christ.

3:28:42 I'm not participating in any of that conversation between Elon and... What is he... Have a nice day, DJD? So much day gets thrown away. They're going back and forth about different things and... Yeah. Listen, I... Well, he said he was disappointed in Elon. Yeah, if you told him to leave. Jesus Christ, that's a crazy thing to say. How does he know? Does he know that Donald Trump is in the Epstein files? Does he have access to the Epstein files? I don't know how he would, but I'm just staying out of the Trump-Elon thing. That's way outside my lane. What the f*** are they doing? I know my lane and that ain't it. I just don't... I mean, I understand he owns Twitter. Look, Kosh is a likable guy. He talks about the private fellow who deserved the new world order 10 years ago in interviews. He has Trump's confidence. I've seen a lot of good stuff out of him. They're kicking a lot of bad people out, bringing in good people. But see, Joe's great. He instantly has the best question because that broke live while they were taping it, taped air live. That's unscripted. I know the inside baseball. Leave it there. And so Joe didn't follow up though, because I've seen the full clip.

3:29:53 Wait a minute, I'm not saying you're getting into the middle of it between Musk and the president. I'm asking you, what have you seen in the files about Trump? Which is why people say they're slow rolling it, which is what Elon's saying. And no, I can guarantee you the Justice Department's not giving Elon access to that. Though there's a lot of FBI people that have been given access to it. Maybe they did, maybe he has. Or maybe somebody gave him something fake.

3:30:30 My God, I'm seeing deep fakes of myself now where I can't even tell it's a deep fake. And I had my lawyers call and say, did you really say this? And I'm like, no. And then I said, and you can't tell it's not me, but I go, you notice this and that, you notice the sets a little different. That's AI. Notice the voice is a little off, but if I didn't know me, I couldn't tell. And it's going to get indistinguishable soon. So I mean, pull up the goblin clip we played yesterday. These are so good. Where I'm going to be made the head of the new anti-goblin commission.

3:31:06 A joke I made decade, 10 years ago and it's part of the internet lore. But no, it's not Trump talking about a Goblin Commission and no, I'm not saying I'm on a Goblin Commission. And that's why you're gonna do a deep fake, make it ridiculous so people know, this is not real. But still you look at it, only a very trained eye at this point, and this is private citizens doing this, can tell this is fake. Did you find the Goblin clip? All right, well, when you find it, we played it at the start of the show yesterday. I put it on X yesterday. I'll send it to you again. It's fine. It's on Rolox, Jones. It's on that Maverick Alexander guy. Let's go ahead and go to him on Epstein. Here it is. Do you think, let's play out the logical conclusion of this. Do you think that myself, Bon Geno, and others

3:32:01 Would participate in hiding information about Epstein's grotesque activities or do you think we would also participate in not? Prosecuting people we had evidence to prosecute people on But the problem is there's been like 15 years of people coming in and creating fictions about this that doesn't exist. Where's the videotape of a Nipsey and Island of X, Y, and Z committing these frauds? Why haven't you given it to us? Do you really think I wouldn't give that to you if it existed? I'm working my ass off along with the leadership at the Bureau and DOJ to get you what we're allowed to give you.

3:32:39 And you're gonna get the video of this. Stop here. But back up 10 seconds. Okay, anybody's been around knows body language. Very deceptive body language three weeks ago by Kash Patel. This body language is my meter says 100% true. And I don't just go off my gut meter. I go, did they raid the FBI offices that were suppressing it with the Democrats in New York? Like they said they would? Yes. Did they send out the field offices? Yes. So I'm seeing the right moves there. Then I hear from inside sources, well, most people aren't volunteering to get the file. And we hit the fact that the average FBI agent doesn't want to take Bill Gates on or King Charles. And I get it. I mean, I'm not saying it's okay what they're doing, but not everybody's made of what some of us are. And I'd tell those men and women, you're in the wrong business. But at the same time, I don't want to go watch the children getting raped. So

3:33:45 It's a paradoxical, you have to actually understand it all. I'm not even defending it all. I just cannot lie to you and say that that would be easy to do. All right, let's go back to him. If it existed, I'm working my ass off along with the leadership at the Bureau and DOJ to get you what we're allowed to give you. And you're going to get the video of the cell. And you're gonna see for yourself. And we will never be able to convince everyone. Okay, let's get into that. Well, let's stop again right there. And again, I'm not saying that this is the truth that if we show you the cell, him alone, but not him killing himself, that that means it's all true. I'm just saying his body language and what he's saying, it looks like he's buying into it. And then I was about the general Epstein file of the raping and the torture and all that stuff. That's what I'm saying. But yeah, let's continue.

3:34:39 Or you got an office. Did you think that Epstein was murdered? No, no suspicion at all of it. But I have a different background. Right. So I was a public defender back in the day. I used to spend a lot of time in jails and a lot of time in segregated housing units, shoes, as we call them. Right. And so and I've known people that have committed suicide in these cells. And I know how you get in, how you get out, who works the system. And so the way, based on public information at the time, that he ended up putting the pictures and him hanging himself, I was like, man, that guy killed himself. It's there's just no way.

3:35:18 that you could have run an op and had people go into that cell and not have any video of it and not have any people come out and say, hey, yeah, I saw that guy. He shouldn't have been there, the guard or this guy. There's just no access points into places like this in the detention center he was in, which I've been in. So correct me if I'm wrong, but what I was told, what I'd read was that the guards were not paying attention or were sleeping. Well, right. Yeah. And in short order, you'll see it. Is that correct? Well, it's hard to surmise that from a video, right? Where they like, you know, and look, do guards doze off on the night shift? Yeah. But no one can get in to the cell. And if they had gotten in to the cell, you would see it. But we were told that the cameras were down.

3:36:03 Well, I don't know who said that. But that was in the news. We're giving you all the footage we have. So why wasn't that released like immediately? Why did this speculation escalate? I think you'd have to ask whoever the attorney general back then was, Bill Barr. Did you ever see, do you remember that HBO autopsy show? Dr. Michael Badden, he's a famous forensic scientist. I don't think I've seen that. He's a pathologist and he reviewed the case and it was his determination that it was a homicide because of the way his neck was broken. And what he said was it was indicative of a ligature strangulation. And it was because of the positioning on the neck where the marks were, that it wasn't indicative of someone hanging by their weight which had been higher on the chin. And there's a specific break of the bones in the vertebrae that's consistent with someone who is just strangled to death.

3:37:01 I haven't seen it. I'll definitely take a look at it because that's part of my job. You haven't seen that? The report? Yeah. No, I haven't looked at that. Did you see? Let's stop right here. Yeah, I mean, and Joe just continues to unpack it. We put this in post when we re-upload this to X. We'll put the whole thing in, but that's where everybody got mad. And it goes on and on. That's the former head New York coroner, pathologist. He's one of the top guys in the world. And he went and examined the body. It was all crushed in and broken three spots right on the line of the garrote, of the strangulation tool. I mean, it was a professional. Like you see in the movies where the military comes up and goes, or the mafia, type in strangulation, the godfather, the original. He goes, hello, Carlo, we'll take you to the airport. And he gets behind him and the old fat mobster grabs him and chokes him and his feet kick out the window. I mean,

3:38:02 You don't need a pathologist. I look at the photos. You don't strangle yourself with paper, bed sheets, or even regular sheets. That would just pass you out. You'd hang yourself and you'd die like that. If you did it yourself, you'd pass out and hang in it. But it puts moderate pressure and closes the carotids. When you got a big red cut lying around somebody's neck and broken bones, you're like, yeah, yeah. Somebody's killing you really quick to make sure you don't struggle free. A professional killed him. And Kash Patel, no, I've not seen that. And his body language looks like he hadn't. But you've seen the files. So I don't know what to say. I mean, I get they got a lot of work and a lot of stuff going on. And I guess we're so into this. We all think everybody knows that we know. But Joe went on and on with the points. Speaking of AI, here's a AI of a fictional Trump talking about his new Goblin Commission. She's built like a burlap sack full of rotten potatoes, very unsightly, total mess.

3:39:11 But back to the matter at hand, Fauci, little Dr. Fauci is a goblin, very sinister, totally inappropriate, probably has a bejeweled dagger for dark magic rituals. He and his goblin minions, many of them homosexuals, I might add, they work at the CDC and World Health Organization, and they perpetrated the largest and deadliest hoax In world history, COVID and the accompanying clout shots were a deliberate depopulation scheme. Typical goblin behavior. Always scheming in the shadows. With that being said, though, my administration and I will be formulating the Anti-Goblin Commission led by Alex Jones, a patriot with big, beautiful, effective ideas. Infowars.com is his webpage, I believe. Oh my God, that's hilarious.