1:10:43 stitches all over his body before six months ago. So you go to these war zones, you go where they have court orders even stronger than a warrant and you're impeding this, a totally constitutional duty. What do you expect? And now you've got the left trying to push their uprising, George Floyd 2.0. Your overview of this and where you think this is going. Kyle Serafin, thank you so much for being here. Top FBI whistleblower. A couple things come to mind right away. Number one, I'm a gun owner and I own a fair number of firearms. And so I'm kind of worried that someone might try to hold a baby to my guns head. Whatever that guy was talking about, maybe a little bit less weed for that dude would be good. That was one of the weirdest threats.
1:11:21 I've never seen a threat like that. So that's actually really concerning to me because I don't even know what that would look like. We saw a lot of impotent rage. That's the only way I can categorize it. LARPing is a really good way. The guy with the mask, you know, these are not people that are real threats to anybody. They're the guy screaming. He's gonna he's I've never seen anyone drop kicked into the sun either. So that's pretty strong. I probably want to go out and kill. They're trying to incite. just mouth off and get your clicks. And so this is silliness. There was a lot on the right as well. I saw people calling it domestic terrorism, including the Secretary of Homeland Security. I don't like that. That's not good. This was not anything more than a simple officer involved shooting or an agent involved shooting and it happens occasionally. It's always tragic. Somebody lost their life. She made a series of poor decisions, not the least of which was apparently she's a 37 year old mother with a six year old at home or at school.
1:12:11 And she thought it was her best use of her time to block ICE, obstruct a federal enforcement operation. She left her husband for this other woman, we now learned three years ago. The woman admits she brought her out there to do this. She feels bad about it. Good for her saying that. She went to a war zone and found a war. Yeah, look, women that are in, if you have a six year old, what are you doing there? My wife, we have an eight, a seven, a four and a two year old. And I'll tell you what my wife's not doing in the middle of the day on a Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday. She's not out blocking ice in our minivan. That's just not where she's gonna be. She's gonna be taking care of our kids and doing the things that are relevant to that and maintaining our household. So anyway, this was a misuse of her own resources and time. But broadly speaking, none of these people actually are not, they're not quoting anything that matters.
1:12:57 So, the issue that's gonna be at stake here is going to be the deadly force policy which comes out of DHS and the deadly force policy for DHS and DOJ. It's essentially identical. I can recite it from memory a thousand times. We'll put the edge to your screen. Okay, so if you go to page, yeah, go to page six at the bottom of page six, you'll see it says deadly force. Okay. And so the deadly force policy is as follows. It says, uh, essentially that law enforcement officers in this case of DHS can use deadly force only when necessary. And that is when the subject of such force, uh, poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or to another person. Now, you mentioned that he was dragged down the street about six months ago, did about a 300-yard drag, hanging out the window of a vehicle that they were trying to apprehend. And that guy was a violent sex offender from wherever.
1:13:42 Okay, so he's now has what we call in the law enforcement world training and experience. I guarantee he's got certain training. It probably said don't stand in front of a moving vehicle, but whatever. Things happen when you're in the street. There's book knowledge and then there's the real world. He's in front of a vehicle. He looks over and sees his buddy reaching in to try to put the vehicle in park or stop the woman from holding on to it. Whatever the hell he was doing. You don't know what the buddy's doing. All you know is, is the only thing that's gonna matter is the reasonable belief. That's the first part. So it has to be reasonable. He doesn't have to be right, Alex. He just has to be reasonable that a regular officer with the same experience and training would come to the same conclusion that it was an option. You don't have to actually do it. There's always what's called the deadly force policy. It's kind of like a big circle. The smaller circle is your own deadly force policy, which means you may be authorized to shoot, but you don't actually do it.
1:14:27 Okay, so people don't take the shot all the time. I would imagine adrenaline came in when he bounces off the front of the vehicle. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean the sympathetic nervous system dump that goes on when somebody gets hit by a car or thinks that they're about to get hit by a car. Yeah, I'm not going to try to run over. Especially if they've already done it. I'm not going to try to run over people with guns drawn. I mean, what does she think is going to happen? Well, if you do, you should probably expect that they're going to shoot at you, right? I mean, that'd be reasonable. Maybe you're in a life or death scenario. People draw a gun on you. The reason you're driving is because you think it's going to happen. Now, regardless of what the woman's intent was, which is irrelevant, regardless of which way the wheels are pointed, which is irrelevant, all that matters is the officer involved can articulate a reasonable belief that the woman and specifically the woman piloting the vehicle, which is what a 3000 pound weapon system, right?
1:15:06 That it was in forward motion, that he heard the engine that lurched towards him. And the minute that happened, he made a split second decision to decide whether he was in imminent danger of death or serious physical injury. Doesn't matter if the shot was gonna stop that, doesn't matter whether or not she hit him, even though it appears that she did. None of those things are relevant. I wasn't just worried about me, it was others, cuz she's literally aiming at him, coming at him, hits him. He said, I was worried about other people, which I think is reasonable. That's 100% reasonable, especially if she's just now been involved in a potentially fatal attempt on an officer's life. There's this entire concept of the mad dog in mad pursuit or hot pursuit. And so in law enforcement, you worry about if somebody has just shown the propensity to do violence, especially to a federal agent or officer or law enforcement officer.
1:15:49 What will they do to the general public? And so his firing of the shot is going to be considered reasonable. I think, I'm just speculating here based on what he's probably gonna testify to and he's gonna give up shooting review. It's gonna be people who understand the use of force continuum and what's supposed to be done there. But there's case law over this, it's called Graham v. Conner. People can look it up, there's basically a three-pronged approach. It has to be something serious that the force is used on. So deadly force with a vehicle equals deadly force with a gun, that meets the serious category. Imminent danger of death or serious physical injury, well getting hit by a car can cause death or serious physical injury. And imminence is three feet in front of you, the vehicle moves right at you, that's as imminent as it gets. Well he bounces off the front, but notice Kimmel said she had no weapon. A 3,000 pound SUV is a weapon.
1:16:31 And there's plenty of court decisions. The Seventh Circuit has already ruled on that, that a vehicle in motion can be considered a weapon system. There's plenty of examples of local cops and feds getting hit with vehicles. This guy had personal experience with it six months earlier. So his testimony on that is gonna be even more aggressive. And here's the last thing that people understand. This is not a local matter. This is not like Derek Chauvin where the local DA can come in and charge the federal officer. If they try to do that, they're going to go in and they're going to invoke Nagel, which is a Supreme Court decision from the 1890s. And in 1890, they said, essentially, you cannot arrest one of our people doing their job for the federal government. Because they are doing things and they're covered by the supremacy clause we will we will roll them in we'll give them qualified immunity under that and so the feds can actually dismiss any charges unless there is a federal case and so there's a Press conference last hour. He said we want locals control. We want local investigation. He wants yeah, it doesn't make a difference
1:17:24 They can want it. It just doesn't matter. The Supreme Court has already ruled on this. It's very, very old case law. We're 140 years past that. So too bad, so sad. And this is the express reason. And by the way, I'm not cheerleading the Trump administration. You said earlier, we need to stand with ICE and stand with the administration. I actually think that What you're saying is a little more nuanced in reality, just cuz I know you. What we're saying is when the administration is actually doing things judiciously and they're actually operating under a constitutional principle. Yeah, not everything. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So when you're constitutionally doing the job, and ICE has authority to do this, this was passed by Congress. Nobody debates whether or not ICE can go in and round up people that are illegal.
1:18:02 then we need to say it's good to see the administration support them. What I don't like is that the administration is getting political about this and calling them domestic terrorists and all this kind of stuff. That's charged language. At the end of the day, this is a simple use of force scenario. It happens all the time, unfortunately. And if you choose to be on the wrong side of federal law enforcement, when they're just standing in front of you and you rev your engine and you hit a guy and another guy is trying to tell you, he gave her a lawful command. He said, get the F out of the vehicle. It's not a nice way to do it, but that is a command. And she was obstructing from everything we can tell. So I think you're gonna find that this is a good shoot is what we call it. It's gonna be justifiable under the deadly force policy. There's gonna be infinite amounts of talking heads and what we see is really dangerous. The people on the left are calling it murder. They're attacking federal buildings, courthouses, they're blocking roads, attacking people at New York, Minnesota. They're going with this Kimmel saying Trump's coming to kill you. Where do you expect us to go now?
1:18:53 I don't think it has the same effect as George Floyd. And that's because the left has set up that a leftist white woman, even if she is a lesbian now and previously had a son with a man, even if she's a lesbian white woman, she doesn't rate high enough on the victim hierarchy, I don't think, to burn down cities. As you might guess, I think we've been told pretty credibly by the left over and over again that if you're a white person, you can't be killed by the cops. So this might be a time for them to reassess some of their rhetoric. But I am seeing AOC, Dan Goldman, fill in the blank others calling it murder. This is clearly not murder. This is an officer involved shooting. It's a tragic scenario. Nobody wants to see a mom killed. I also don't want to see moms get in and obstruct federal officers. She has no idea why those guys were there. There's a reason why people show up on these operations wearing body armor. And I got a couple of friends that are good, decent FBI agents, people in the DEA, people that are out there, ATF that are assigned to the task force that are doing the thing that everybody's kind of okay with.
1:19:42 get rid of the illegal aliens. That seems reasonable. It actually is gonna benefit people on the left that don't have money and stay home all day and smoke weed. There's gonna be more money for you, so you should want this. Watching these guys walk around in body armor, do you think they're putting that on because it's fun? It's not really fun to wear body armor. I mean, the LARPers might think it's cool, but it's actually kind of a pain in the butt. It's bad on your back. It's very uncomfortable. It's not the most warm thing, so you gotta put different sort of articles of closing underneath it and then put it on top. The end of the day, if you're in the middle of something where everybody around you is wearing body armor, you should ask yourself a question. What the hell am I doing here? And having been a guy that was a medic on these types of operations, having been a guy that was on security perimeters as well, you see people that wanna walk through your security perimeter and you just think, are you completely boneheaded, you daft fool?
1:20:27 Like we're wearing body armor because someone might shoot out of the place that we have people going in with guns. I was about to say, the main pitch now. This is a stupid safety issue. The main thing is, oh, they wouldn't let a doctor through. Now they point out the guy was screaming at him the whole time. Now he goes, I'm a doctor, let me through. They already called an ambulance. Yeah, no, you can't come in. First of all, it's a homicide scene that they're going to do an investigation of. There's going to be a shooting review. But that is not the first priority. If you try to ram a cop, or even if you try to flee and it looks like you're trying to ram a cop, and someone has to shoot you, Think about every officer involved shooting you've ever seen. Priority one is not start CPR or put a tourniquet on the guy. It's almost always put handcuffs on and disable. So I've done CPR on people who are on handcuffs. It happens all the time. This is something that if you get on the wrong side of the law, you're now like the third or fourth priority. We're going to look after the people that were involved in the shooting to make sure that they didn't get injured. We're going to make sure that the bystanders are good. Your priority of works are basically your team, the general public,
1:21:18 maybe flip depending on what's going on. And then you're also gonna look at like the last priority is what happens to the person that we had to shoot. If that person is bled out, and by the way, she was probably already gone from what we can see. I mean, looking at her on the steering wheel, I don't know that she had a chance. You don't get to just run up and say, I'm a doctor. Like how the hell do I know you're a doctor? And anybody who's ever been on one of these scenes as a medic, as someone who used to ride in an ambulance, one of the worst things that can happen is someone running up and going like, I'm a community nurse, or like, I'm a pediatrician. It's like, I don't give a shit. Get out of here. Like, you don't deal with emergency medicine every day. You may know more, but you don't do more. Because the guy had literally reportedly been screaming at him for 30 minutes. But just imagine they have all these apps and all these Soros on radio stations sending people, and the governor saying, attack, attack. You'll be dead soon.
1:22:04 I think this is a great opportunity that Jacob Fry, the mayor of Somalia, Minnesota is looking to run for governor. I mean, we just saw Tim Walz kind of walk away from that. So he's obviously looking to step into a bigger political role. He took his opportunity to do a leftist win and he went out and said, get the F out of our city. And it sounds real tough talking. This is the same guy that was like babbling on and like broken Somali the other day. So I'm fine with kind of looking at the rhetoric for what it is. I'd also like the right to actually cool it down because again, domestic terrorism, that's not the win here. Calling it something that it's not, let's just, let's just Let's just deescalate mentally for people to understand. Some guy who had a really rotten experience six months ago and got dragged around by, almost got into the same thing, maybe saw his buddy about to face the same thing. And he engaged what looks like a probably justifiable use of force. It's going to depend on how he articulates it, what he says, what he saw, when he saw it, why he acted. Everybody's made a lot of the three different shots. Going out to LARP needs to know these are constitutional duties, court ordered. These people are under attack. I'm not going to
1:23:04 Go confront a bunch of people, you know, trained, trained killers when they're doing a legal job just to scream at them and then be upset if I'm ramming with a car and end up dead. Like, to the LARPers, let's them know this isn't a game. It's not a game. Did you see the way that guy drew his pistol for whatever it's worth? If you show the slow motion footage of the way that that officer, that agent reacted to the vehicle coming at him, he had about a sub one second draw. And I think he delivered in the first one and in somewhere between like, you know, 1.1, 1.2 out of the holster. This guy is not a guy that doesn't know how to draw his gun. He had some adrenaline helping him out, but let's be really serious. And he was not about to get the target. He literally like so fast. It was like a Cobra strike. He was like,
1:23:46 He had three rounds in under a second delivered from the first impact that went out there and kind of put that on a shot timer as well. This was, you know, this was a guy who wasn't going to get dragged behind a vehicle again. I can't blame him. And I don't think he wanted his partner to see that either. It's not awesome to do that. So, you know, end of the day, this is, it's sad, but trying to turn it into a political hate market. That's what they're doing. If you ask Grok or if you ask a sports nutritionist or if you ask the nutritionist on the Olympic teams, they will tell you that creatine is absolutely a must. Thealishowstore.com already has the very best creatine you can get on the market. Now we're introducing this and I am extremely excited.