20:13 at the beginning of the last century, you know, with the progressive movement. So the hints are there. I think it's... Okay, so let's stop right there. He just mentioned Jeffrey Sachs, who is one of the top globalist thinkers, one of the big carbon tax pushers. He's one of their top brains and diplomats, corporate diplomats. Here he is, now sounding like Henry Kissinger a year ago before he died, saying we need to stop this. It's not working out the way we thought it's going to lead to World War III. Not because Jeffrey Sachs is a good person. He's one of the top globalist brains that you don't really hear a lot about, but he's behind the scenes. You've heard Ron Paul bring him up as bipartisan evil. But here he is with Piers Morgan two days ago saying exactly what Ron Paul said. Now, of course, he wasn't saying this 10 years ago, but now the smarter ones that like living
21:12 are saying let's not do this. Folks, it's not hype to say we're in the greatest danger of nuclear war ever been. I just got chills. I love my family. And by extension, I love you and the world we all live in together that we share. And this has to stop now. Macron is a lunatic. The Swedish defense minister is a lunatic. The German defense minister is a lunatic. The British defense minister is a lunatic. Lloyd Austin, the US Secretary of Defense, is a lunatic. George Soros is a lunatic. Sean Penn saying nuclear war should be on the table. I played a clip yesterday, is a lunatic. The West started this, it's a 10 year project at least, to manipulate Russia into war. And then they, just like Fareed Zakaria said over the weekend, he's the mouthpiece of these people. We just hit Russia harder, they'll back down more. That is not what Russia has ever done or will ever do. And we will destroy each other. This is
22:21 the most dangerous thing in the world right now. And it is the people that have hijacked our country and are running it in the ground, that are a bunch of incompetence. And this is completely blown up in their face. And are they backing down? No, they're not backing down. It's like if you got a family member that's a complete drunk and they've drunk two bottles of Jack Daniels, it's 10 o'clock at night. on New Year's Eve and they're stumbling out the front door, falling down the parking lot, trying to get in their car to go to the grocery store. And you physically grab them and you physically say, you're not leaving. And if they physically try to get past you, you say, fine, get in the passenger side, I will drive you to the damn grocery store. But that's just a drunk driver that can kill a family on the road. These people could turn the surface of the earth into an unlivable hell.
23:26 Go ahead and play the clip. Here's Jeffrey D Sachs on with a Piers Morgan. What is your view of Vladimir Putin? Well, I think he's very smart, very tough. And I think he says what he means in 2007. He said, don't do this at the Munich Security Conference famously, he said, all right, you went violating what I know to be true by the way, which was not an inch eastward for NATO, promised by James Baker III and by Hans Dietrich Genscher to Gorbachev in 1990. I know that's for sure the case. The United States expanded NATO to Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic in the Clinton period, and then to seven more countries in 2004.
24:19 Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Romania, and Bulgaria. And then in 2007 Putin said, stop. All right, stop. No more not to Ukraine. So what does George W. do in 2008 in Bucharest? Of course, what does he do? He says, guarantee Ukraine and Georgia. And you know, this is Palmerston's playbook from 1853. So we're going to surround Russia in the Black Sea again. Exactly that. Okay, but you know, I don't you're up it just for a job though I just asked you what your view of Putin is and so far you've just said he's smart and tough I just I told you he he does any very clearly any negatives professor. I Believe that the big mistake of both sides is we should talk this out and now let me say a word about talking it out in 2008
25:17 When Bucharest happened, European leaders called me, because I'm friends with them. They said, what is your crazy president doing? By the way, some who are in power right now, I won't name names. What is your president doing? Why is he destabilizing things? He promised he wasn't going to push Ukraine. That's what European leaders say in private. They don't say it in public. We avoided the negotiations. Then 2014 came. Sadly, Piers, I saw it. I saw some of it firsthand. It was ugly. The United States should not be funding overthrows of governments. We did. I know it. Okay. So I happened to be there soon afterwards with the handpicked government, handpicked by Victoria Nuland. We didn't talk then. Then came the Minsk agreements. And then the United States said privately,
26:12 Even though the UN Security Council has backed both Minsk 1 and Minsk 2, you don't have to do this. And so with Poroshenko, don't worry about it. Then we heard, of course, Chancellor Merkel say afterwards, yeah, we weren't taking it too seriously, even though Germany and France were the guarantors of that. Then on December 15th, 2021, Putin put it down in a draft US-Russia security agreement. I read it, I called the White House, I said, you know what, you can negotiate on this basis, avoid the war. No, no, no, there's going to be no war, Mr. Sachs. I said, just tell them that NATO is not going to enlarge, you'll avoid the war. No, we're never going to say that, we have an open door policy. So what kind of open door policy? We've had 200 years of the Monroe Doctrine, some open door policy.
27:08 No, no, no, Mr. Sachs. Then the war breaks out. Then immediately, Zelensky says, OK, OK, we can be neutral. We can be neutral. And negotiations start. As you know, Naftali Bennett, informally the prime minister of Israel and Turkey, with its very skilled diplomacy, actually flew to Ankara to discuss with the Turkish diplomats what was going on. The US stopped The agreement. Why? Because they thought we'll win. We can bleed Russia. Our sanctions, you know, cutting them out of the banking system, we're going to bring them to their knees. It's a bunch of terrible miscalculations is what it is. It's a game. A terrible game. I hear you. What I'm fascinated by though is I've asked you to say what you think of Putin. And so far, like I say, you've only called him tough and smart. This is a guy that kills his political opponents.
28:07 This is a guy who... This is a guy who rules his country like a gangster. I find it... I'm struggling to understand why you can't find any negatives for the guy. He's a dictator. Because I'm trying to because I'm trying to find peace and you don't do it the way that Biden does. Biden said, OK, he's a thug. Biden says he's a crazy SOB. That's real good, Joe. That's really getting us to where we want to go. That's hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians dead. Why don't we move a little bit beyond that? Professor, can you not find can you not find anything negative to say about Vladimir Putin?
28:45 I don't think that what I say about Putin negative has anything to do with anything. What I'm saying is, as I know, you got to sit down... Well, you're ready to call him smart and tough. I'm like, okay. You know, in 1962, I wrote a book about the Cuban Missile Crisis and its aftermath. Kennedy didn't go name-calling Khrushchev. He tried to save the world to stop the war. Afterwards, he didn't insult Khrushchev. What he did was sat down with him and negotiated the partial nuclear test ban treaty. We're not in a game. We're not in name-calling. We're not in a cage brawl. We're trying to actually not have the world spiral into nuclear war. So it's not that game. The game is sit down and negotiate.