Alex Jones Interviews Elon Musk About Humanity's Ultimate Destiny

00:00 Yeah, and actually to just elaborate on the public relations firms, PR firms, which really should be called propaganda firms because that's literally public relations is literally a propaganda word for propaganda. You can read the history of how public relations was developed. Edward Bernays. Correct. So, the way that PR firms actually corrupt the media is actually in a very significant way, is that journalists are paid very little as journalists, but they can later retire and join a PR firm and make a lot of money on the basis of the articles they've written in the past and their contacts at their publication.

00:47 So, there is actually a strong monetary incentive, very strong, for corruption of the traditional media. Elon, Elon, it's so glad you said that because people don't understand that's how these work and I'm just now learning about that. The PR firms are so powerful, they're full of intelligence agency, former people. So just like a general will sign off on some bad weapons system, then he retires and gets on the major board of the defense contractor for five million a year. It's a revolving door. And so that's why when these big PR firms snap and say jump, the media says how high and you're actually right. when it comes to fact-checking, they're really one of the most nasty, deceptive groups out there. Yeah, they're propaganda firms. It would just make a lot more sense if you just think PR firm equals propaganda, PR equals propaganda. That is literally what it means. And if you read the- I think you're dropping out, Elon. Is he dropping out? Is he dropping out for anyone else?

01:53 Yeah, you just dropped out Elon, I think you're back now. Is your mic working? It's good now. You're on PR firms, equal propaganda. Yes, the public should really understand that public relations literally just means propaganda. PR firm means propaganda. And the PR firms have very strong control over the traditional media because that's where journalists go to retire and make tons of money. So there's a very strong monetary incentive for journalists to do what the PR firms say because they know that that is where they're going to get rich in the future.

02:38 Bingo and a question is more for alex and i was with me and i was just asking before you jumped on is the pressure if any that you faced since reinstating or since you said you're reinstated to alex now i like that you know kind of referred to. Extreme scenarios where your life could be in danger because of what you're doing with x and you mentioned it briefly one of the first places we had made a joke about hey guys something happens to me i'll never commit suicide how much pressure have you faced. In recent months i'm obviously we send a back and forth with a few organizations that are trying to censor others and has that increase since you reinstated the alex.

03:20 I mean, at this point, reading the sort of legacy media is just depressing. I accidentally, once in a while, will go see like Google News or whatever, or you know, Yahoo News or whatever, some random thing, and I'm like, this is just, I mean, frankly, the quality of the propaganda isn't even good. Look, if you're gonna do propaganda, at least make it entertaining. And I find it's dull, boring, It's, you know, and it's not even well written. That's right. They'll put out one thing and then they all parrot it. It's a dog- It's like lazy propaganda. It's like work harder. We've got Andrew Tate here as well. Andrew, how are you? Andrew, your mic, is it working? You got it on your bottom left corner. Can you hear me?

04:14 We can, yeah. How are you? I'm good, friend. I'm in the middle of a poker game, but since this is the battle for humanity against the Satanists and the Matrix, with its constant deception of the populace, I thought I would jump in and say hello to everybody. Your thoughts Andrew, we had your brother on earlier, Tristan come on earlier. Your thoughts on Alex Jones being back on X? I'd rather hear his thoughts on Elon Musk being the biggest maverick of the last 500 years. I'm not kissing ass here, Elon. You've got big ones man, on every front. You are literally overturning the entire power structure. I was just going to say this and let Andrew get in, but I just want to say this while you're here. I mean, you are literally changing

04:55 the entire paradigm and you've definitely got the system scared. And so everybody needs to support X, everybody needs to support the sponsors on X. I personally am doing all my Christmas shopping this year with all the great gadgets and stuff that are on X, but I'm gonna shut up now. But I would imagine instead of talking about Alex Jones, I'd like to hear Andrew and Tate talk about or ask questions to Elon Musk. Yeah, well, Alex is certainly a friend of mine. I've known him for a long time. And i'm extremely happy he's back i celebrated that publicly but alex nailed it is taking the biggest risk here it takes unlimited energy to propagate lies you have to continually repeat them and you have to continue trying to falsify information and hide the truth to keep lies of flow and this simple purchase.

05:39 you call it simple the purchase of a simple website has literally cracked the matrix in real time and it becomes extremely difficult now to run the site up they were previously running and slave the populace which is the primary goal so you want to hear absolutely and the risks you are taking a long i don't think many people at home actually understand the gravity of the risks you are taking because Your ability to speak freely is heavily leveraged against your insignificance. You're only allowed to speak if nobody listens to you. And if you get big and people start listening, they're going to come at you hard. And I think I'm not completely versed, but from what I understand, Elon's already suffering the lawfare tactics, which they're going to do. They're going to keep pulling out the hat to try and slow him down or. Oh, Andrew, let me interrupt before I forget. I don't give any attention. The same law firm that came after me with these PR firms,

06:31 You've just dropped out, I think Alex. You've just dropped out? Yeah, I think you got a call. Yeah, go ahead Alex. There is a three-letter agency running this. Not all of them, but let's just say it starts with a C and it ends with an A. Sorry, go ahead Andrew. Yeah absolutely and there's liberal NGOs which will sponsor agents of the matrix sponsor females to end up in a house party and then lie to try and put you in a romanian jail cell and get you sitting with the cockroaches in a dungeon and it's a very scary world where you get to a point where you're only trying to tell the truth and they're gonna punish you for that using endless lawfare.

07:07 And this battle has only just begun, but the Matrix has truly cracked now and it's going to be extremely hard to lie to us like they did before with X, the way it currently is. And I think it came at exactly the right time. without trying to sound pessimistic, there was a point where I kind of felt like I was losing hope. You couldn't tell the truth about anything. Everything was a lie. Everything from head to toe was a lie. And they're trying to lock us all back in our houses again. And we can finally talk about it. It's truly heroic. And Elon's taking massive risk and the respect I have for him for doing that is enormous. Absolutely. I mean, this is what happened. I'm going to shut up. I don't want to hear from Elon, but this is so historic. Elon Musk's courage, and it's true, I'm saying,

07:46 has broken the back of the globalists. They'll never be able to turn this around again unless they have a nuclear war. Elon Musk has broken their back. Yeah, well I guess some people are afraid to die but I am not. And you know what? It's kind of crazy because I was talking to someone the other day and I was explaining They were asking about my seizure how they took all my houses all my money all my cars blah blah And I said you never truly own anything on this earth anyway You can have a piece of paper that says you own it But if you piss off the government structures They just get a judge to stamp a different piece of paper and you no longer own it The only thing you own is your soul and your integrity and this is the one thing they cannot take away from you no matter what they do to you and that is the best feeling on earth it doesn't matter if You can sell your soul to the devil and repeat what they want you to say, but then you truly own nothing

08:36 And I think that as history books look back on this pivotal moment when X was finally freed and the information of the world could finally be spoken freely, I really do believe we're on the right side of history. And if you were to ask me if there's anything worth dying for, it would be for the freedom of humanity and to be on the right side of history. So I agree with you absolutely, Elon. Yeah, absolutely. I'm just generally in favor of civilization and the furtherance of civilization. And I think we should always be concerned that we can regress as a civilization. And if you study history, you just see the arc of one civilization after another as the civilizations rise and fall through history. We've been in a period of civilization rising very rapidly, but we should be concerned that we may be cresting, we may subside.

09:31 And there have to be many times where I get late stage civilization vibes. I'm just worried that maybe we're cresting as a civilization and perhaps headed for a fall. So, yeah. Well, I agree with you because I truly believe, and a lot of people have said this before me, this is not an original idea, but I think as AI and machines and tech increases, a lot of people are going to be deemed useless by the overlords. And then you have to sit and decide what are they going to do with all these people who have hopes and dreams and they want health care and they want a garden and they want a house to live in and they don't want to be treated like cattle. They're going to become extremely inconvenient.

10:10 So I don't think many people at home understand that this war cannot be avoided. I've had a lot of people who understand why they threw me in jail in Romania and understood I've done nothing wrong. And they said to me, why do you take up this fight? Why you don't just delete your Twitter and disappear and drive a Ferrari all day? And I explained that this war cannot be avoided. You're either on the front line and you're fighting for something or you're sitting waiting to die. You're waiting for the Mongol horde to come over the horizon and chop your head off. No, I totally agree. And just to throw this in there, if you read And Elon, I knew you were doing great work. When I saw you six months ago at the World Government Summit, where they're all just saying we're going to make everybody eat bugs and we'll make the decisions to put microchips in them, and you said, we don't want a centralized system. We want a diverse system. We want firewalls. And I don't agree with this Tower of Babel you're building. They know that we go through cycles, and they want to artificially create a great reset collapse in their own words.

11:04 to make everybody else poor, consolidate power, and they'll have a smaller type 2 civilization for themselves. And I think you're trying to build a type 2 civilization, or even a type 1 civilization, I should say, for all of us. And you said we need to have a debate about we need to have a debate about going interstellar, we've got to expand, or we collapse. And Elon Musk is saying, correct me if I'm wrong, you don't stay in stasis, you either expand or you collapse. You either grow or you collapse. The steady state is basically an impossibility. So you have to pick it, you have to make a choice. Do you want to grow civilization, or do you want to decline and collapse?

11:47 Because a steady state is not stable. And I say we grow, and I say we expand, and we have more humans, and we become a multi-planet species and a space-faring civilization and ultimately be out there among the stars. And I think that is the exciting, inspiring thing for the future. not a declining human civilization that dwindles to nothingness and where humanity dies with a whimper. And that's the bottom line. I think it is the battle of people who believe in humans and humanity and want it to expand against people who are so selfishly going through the earth and so selfishly orientated that they don't care about expanding civilization. They just want to control the humans that are currently here. And Andrew, I totally agree with you. And arrogance. I totally agree. Let me throw this caveat because I've read the writings

12:34 Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab and the Club of Rome, they know we could easily expand. There's plenty of room, hundreds of billions of galaxies. They know that this is just a seed that's going to not just grow into one giant oak, but an entire forest, an entire universe. And so they want to shut everybody else down because they can't do it as politicians, like the Elon Musk that come out of the general public. They want a global tyranny so they can direct it and control it so that they direct the expansion. And we can't let that happen because they literally talk about it, agenda 21, the official UN plan, a 90% world population. So we need to go with the Elon Musk plan. And that's why I tell people that get upset, they go, Elon Musk is involved in every advancing technology, the globalists are pushing that too. Well, technology is like a gun. It's whose hand it's in. And so we need the gun in the people's hands, the gun of expansion, instead of in the globalist hands.

13:32 And so just because Elon Musk is on the cutting edge of every technology, don't fear the technology like some troglodyte. Fear us not being in control of it. And Elon is saying we need to be an expansionary human explosion of competition and freedom, not some new dark age with a tiny breakaway civilization that's only working for itself. Sorry, I'm ranting. No, no, but you're completely right because if Elon doesn't push these boundaries, they will push these boundaries and once they have the sole control and the monopoly over such technologies, it's over for all of us. I don't think most people understand. It simply is the humanistic view against the death cult view and there's people in the world who have no interest in

14:08 They have no interest in growing humanity, no interest in advancing the species as a whole. Their interest is in power and control, and all they want to do is have absolute power over the people that currently exist and their children. And you can talk about all the perverse reasons they want to do those exact things, but it's truly scary. And all the people at home who don't really understand the gravity of this fight, they seem to think it's right wing, left wing, ha ha ha. Yes, exactly. They're thinking about it the wrong way. Sorry, I just got a little X here. But you're totally exactly, this right left, it's the wrong way to think about it. It's sort of the extinctionist versus the pro-humans. And once you see that it's extinctionist versus the human, the pro-humans, then it becomes very clear.

14:57 So Elon, when are you going to, I know you got a hundred irons to fire, but I've really, when you talk about we need to create a plan B for humanity, well that's really... No, it's not a plan B. I mean, I think... An alternate master plan. Because the global is under control right now. You're trying to wrest control with us, helping. I mean, when are you going to put out your battle plan or are you already putting it out of pieces? No, I mean what I'm saying is that actually I think we should expand humanity, like basically we should have more kids, you know, population should increase.

15:33 And we should become a multi-planet species and make life multi-planetary, build a self-sustaining civilization on Mars. And then ultimately, this will be long after I'm dead probably, but almost certainly, we can go to other star systems and go out there and maybe we'll find some long dead alien civilizations. And I don't think we want to be one of those lame one planet civilizations that never got beyond its home planet. I mean, we're going to, you know, what are the aliens going to think of that? It's like, we got to make a good showing. Team human. Yeah, and that would absolutely, that would be extremely disappointing. But it's essential.

16:25 Truthfully, it's so amazing we even speak about these things. Only two years ago you couldn't even speak about these subjects, but it's so pertinently obvious to anyone who pays attention. It is scary. Expansion and humanistic views are certainly the way to progress. It has to be done. There's no other way. Just like a business, just like you guys said, if you stand still, you die. And it takes a few brave people to break the matrix. You have to break the dam. And I think bravery is so important because it puts a crack in the dam and it shows that if there's people out there brave enough to risk getting canceled, risk lawfare, then it's going to inspire bravery amongst the rest of the populace. And it becomes extremely hard to lie to brave people.

17:03 And I think that that's one of the largest pandemics of Earth today is bravery. And when I say bravery, I don't mean that in any kind of negative connotation. Bravery is being full of love and loving the people around you and sticking up for your community and loving where you live and loving your country. And it's brave to do those things. And it's love to do those things. What are the globalist pieces? Children are bad. We're ugly. Humans create all this racial division. They want us to hate each other. So we just give up, roll over so the globalists can have the future. I would just like to say here. The globalists are short-sighted too because the thing is that you can't really separate yourself from civilization. So I think those who are sort of advocating, like it's really, I think it's just logical to be pro-civilization. You don't actually necessarily have to be altruistic. You just have to think long-term and say obviously you cannot exist in any good way without civilization. I mean just look at, watch one episode of Naked and Afraid and see how much you want to go live in a forest by yourself.

17:58 and We're in a super pivotal moment now and the reason we're in a pivotal moment is because the machines cannot do the policing as of yet. My brother and I often talk about how bad COVID would have been if they had Terminator machines. You didn't have your mask on, you couldn't even appeal to the empathy of the person who knew how insane it all was. As soon as the machines control the policing, it's absolutely over and we're not that far away. So we're in a very pivotal period now where the bravery that's required to resist a globalist oppression has to happen now. Soon the technology will exist. this

18:50 If they were 100% control, you and others felt rested to maybe they're in 80% control. They're losing control very quickly as people discover what they're doing. But what would you call the debate and discussion about a pro-human future? Just team humanity? Yeah, team humanity. Absolutely. That sounds good. But I think something that is really important is you just literally have to have kids or there's no next generation. Alex, do you have kids? Yes, I do. I'm not as prolific as you, but I wish I was. It's the best thing in my life. I have four. Okay, great. And Andrew? I do have a few. I won't let you down, Elon. I'm coming to take over your title. I'm coming to take over. I'm doing my best. I've got to use my good looks for something.

19:36 Well, I think we ought to encourage people to have kids. And this is the bottom line argument. This is what is so important. We just talked about how the globalists are ultimately selfish and only care about their own power. Most globalists don't have children. And of course, this is selfish. You guys are all attacking the globalists, but if you ask a globalist, like, i have friends who i would consider globalist you ask them their ideologies are aligned that they believe that somebody living across the world is just as valuable as somebody who lives in america and i know you know there's already enslaved the third world and then that's not how everybody who you would

20:21 categorized as... use themselves as a globalist. They're not saying, oh, you know, I'm evil. They're not an evil person. They just have this belief that every human being around the globe is equal. That's all. I would call that an internationalist. That's an internationalist. A globalist wants one world government run by corporations. Yeah, I mean, I think you can label them differently, but I think if you talk to somebody... Well, Henry Kissinger was a globalist. Zbigniew Brzezinski was a globalist.

21:02 I'm not trying to be mean to you, but their number one rule is the earth is too small. We can't expand. We've got a bean count and put everybody on rations. We've got a social engineer and in the normal human program because humans are failed. They want to turn us into factory farm humans. Those are a lot of survival. I'll answer the question. If we're going to say like, some of these titles are a little confusing. If someone's an internationalist or a globalist, I think what can achieve some disambiguation here is to say, does someone have as an axiomatic belief that there are too many people on the Earth or do they not? Do they believe that the Earth can sustain the current population or do they think it cannot? Now, the reality is Earth can actually handle a human population probably 10 times larger than the current population. Earth is actually very sparsely populated by humans. We only see density because if we're in a dense urban environment like New York or Boston,

22:02 London or something like that. But if, like here would be a good test. If you took a plane from LA to New York and you try to drop a bowling ball and hit somebody, your chances of success are basically zero. You'd have to drop 10,000 bowling balls maybe. Yes. You just, and I'll tell you sort of something that may scare people a little bit is that there are thousands of objects falling onto Earth from space all the time. But how often do you hear about someone actually getting hit by falling by meteorites? Absolutely. There's one known case of a woman with her house getting hit by one. Elon, I want to just respond to Ed actually for a second because again when it comes I want to I think I think it's good to get a good counter view here. I think that there's two different things going on and I know what you're I know what you're trying to say but

22:54 There's a separate point about your obligations, right? So you can, and I believe a lot, everything has been said about the importance of expansionism for humanitarian, for humanity being pro-civilization and expansion pro-human race to win. That's like a separate axis though, from saying where are your obligations where you are, right? So we talked about procreation and family. Then we talked about the nation. Well, look, I have two kids. As a father, my moral obligation, I believe, is first and foremost to my family. And then, let's say, as a president, my moral obligation is to the citizens of the nation that I lead. And then you can worry about hunger in the Congo or whatever else needs to happen in the Darfur or other places. And so I don't think that you're saying necessarily that that life... Charity begins at home. Exactly. And that's not saying that that life abroad is any less

23:48 It's valuable inherently. And so when you say like the globalist view is that all it's saying is that all life is equal wherever it is on earth. It's not like I think the view, an alternative view is countering that. There's also just a separate place in terms of where you're situated. Where's your obligations, right? As a father, it's to your family, as a president, it's to your country. And just because you believe that's the hierarchy of your obligations means somebody else is a leader of one of those other countries. And that's an obligation that they have too, but that's a different discussion. The neoliberals in their own PR, they're the ones who are the ones who are the ones who

24:24 doing the worst things on the earth. They just say, oh, we want global government because we want to give Africa's representation. Then they lock them down for three years and starve 30 million of them to death and then organize them to flood us as a political underclass. This is cold blooded Henry Kissinger, State Department memorandum 200. I mean, it's not black. I think it was two different conversations. But what is black and white? I'm sorry. Go ahead, Andrew. Go ahead Andrew and then we'll go to Dave. Andrew? What I do believe is black and white is simply if you read a history book you'll see the worst things that humanity have ever done have been done with good intentions. That's what's so bad about evil acts is that people think they're doing the right thing. And that's the most dangerous thing about it. And this idea that they look at all human life as sacred and all the same, I actually disagree. I think the reason they will prioritize people in a third world country for example, you'll say it's because they see us

25:16 equal. I think it's because they see us now as spoiled and annoying. They don't like that we need pensions and living space and healthcare. They simply want slaves in a robot class and they'll do anything it takes to get it and they'll get it from anywhere they can. And when someone comes along and says, well my intentions are good, I'm not interested in that because you can name any holocaust or any atrocity in history, the people didn't think they were the bad guys. They often thought they were the good guys. And I guess the easy way to look at life is you want to be having as many children as possible. You want to for other people do the same, and you want those people to enjoy freedom. And anyone who's coming along restricting speech, restricting access to certain things, restricting movement, restricting, all they're doing is trying to restrict so they can control. And nobody in a history book ever who did that either was the good guy. I think it's very clear to see who's on the right side of history and who isn't. And I advocate freedom for everybody. If I had disagreed with absolutely everything Alex said, I'd still be glad he's back on X. And these people can't even handle a different opinion. Do you think they're going to allow the people of a different

26:12 I agree with you. Jackson, I'm going to go to you right after Dave. I'm just saying I agree that with you there. I think that a lot of the media and a lot of these platforms do want to silence voices because they want their voice to be heard louder. So yeah, I definitely hear you there. I definitely don't. I definitely, when it comes to global globalists, I think, you know, it's not black and white. You're not either a globalist or you're not. I think people fall in between and they have, there's different reasons for why people might feel one way about one

27:03 you know you could take globalist idea and another so i mean i don't like painting people like you know with a black and white pen because i feel that everybody fall somewhere in the middle There are people that want a corporate world government whose aim is depopulation and not giving the general public access to technology by lying about resources and literally saying carbon dioxide that plants breathe is evil and then telling us the world's going to end in 2030 and the ice caps are all going to melt and none of that's true. So our children basically give up on the future.

27:40 decide not to have children. That's all I'm saying. Elon Musk is promoting an optimistic pro-human future that the science and evidence shows is real and that we need. Gentlemen, I have to go. Yeah, I just want to be clear about one thing. I'm super pro-human, and I mean all humans. Humans in America, humans in... Somebody's got their phone open in the bathroom. That's Vivek, that's your phone Vivek, I'm not able to mute you. Vivek. Go ahead Elon. Sorry about that.

28:18 Well, I hope you feel better. I feel great. Thank you. Sorry about that guys. So yeah, I'm super pro-human for team humanity here and I just think we want to make sure that people have a positive view of the future. I think I encounter a lot of people who have actually very pessimistic conclusions about the future. And if you try to unpack that and say where does that pessimism come from, and I think these are good people, they have good intentions, I think they think about where they come from, is believing that there are too many humans on the planet, this is false. Earth can easily sustain far more than the current population.

28:59 But they've been told this thing and they've believed it, and it is false. I'm very pro-environment, obviously. I might have done more for sustainable energy than maybe any single human. So I would consider myself an environmentalist, but I also believe in physics and reality. and not sort of being alarmist about things. Well, something you said was really smart, and I've seen the equations about a mathematician or rocket scientist like you, but we need the fossil fuels to get to the new technologies and transport them. You can't cut them all off and then not have it to... they're blowing up the bridge that gets them there.

29:47 I would like what i would like to say my final my final point i would like to say i often get asked by people who follow me they say who do you think who controls the world who do you think the matrix is and i use the matrix is a very simple way to explain that they propose a false version of reality that everyone buys into to keep your mind occupied so they can extract your body from you for the solace machines which are essentially essentially what we're talking about And I try and say that I still believe that we run the world. There's a lot more of us than them. We still control the world. It's just down to what we will accept and what will allow them to do to us. And that's why bravery is so essential and so important. And I know I can come across as brash with my message. No, no, you're not. Stop using up our power.

30:28 I'm telling 16 year olds to go and get rich and buy a fast car and train hard and go to the gym etc because these young men are far less likely to blindly comply and it's extremely important that they don't sigh off the next generation of young masculine youth. And that's why the system was scared of you Andrew because you were doing it. version of it to shock them out of it to show them how to have a destiny, how to have desire, how to want to be into the future. And that's the same thing in a different way than you're right. We still control the world and it's down to what we will accept and it's going to take bravery and love. You need to love the people around you and love the human race and love the place you're from. And I just want to wrap up by saying that I would never kill myself. And if they put me back in that dungeon to starve,

31:08 I hope you all do your very best to get me out because I'm in a very we will Andrew. Love you. Can I just throw something out? I'm gonna talk to you on muscular and everybody else and this is surreal. Andrew Tate and Vivian Ramaswamy is crazy. John. I've got a friend I want to get on. We also have Mark Dice, who's really, really stood up for free speech. He's on the line if you need a question. I'm going to leave Alex, but I just want to say welcome on Twitter and I think there will be more truth than not. All else equal. So hail to the truth. Take it easy guys. Bye bye. Thanks, Andrew. Thanks, Vivek. I have one quick question. So

31:45 I guess the premise as to why Alex was banned for so long was that he supposedly lied about an atrocity and that goes against X community guidelines. That's actually not quite correct. This was before I acquired the company, but the actual reason for suspending him was he basically insulted a journalist. Well, wasn't, wasn't, wasn't like your purpose for keeping him? Well, he believed that because the media had said that now he's learned that right. I'm just going off of what I just looked at the logs for reason for suspension that was a basically a third strike violation. A third strike violation was insulting a journalist.

32:40 This is literally, this is not my decision, this is literally the Twitter logs of the old people that used to run Twitter. Yeah, I guess what I'm saying is like under your leadership though, the suspension was kept in place. I remember you tweeted out because you're not going to bring someone back who lied about the death of innocent children. So if that if that's the case Then and we're gonna uphold things fairly and firmly for all ex-users Can we can we expect that like if Alex or anyone else on this panel lied about? Sandy hook or an atrocity again that they would also be banned again. Um You already answered that

33:27 Yeah, I've already answered that. It did, yeah. It did impact on the context. If that is the case, then it will adhere to the law. And it will adhere to the law. That is what this platform will do. So if somebody says, does something illegal, then they will be suspended. If they do not do something illegal, then they may, we will try our best to avoid any kind of permanent bans unless someone does something fundamentally illegal. We're just trying to stay true to the Constitution of the United States in America and the laws of the country as decided by the citizens. Elon, way more interesting, and I just ask one question of Elon. Elon, it's great having you here in Texas. You're kicking ass. You're Texas through and through. You're whole spirit. We love you.

34:26 Whatever happens with Trump down the road should we change the Constitution so you can run for president? Would you ever think about that? I would like to stay as a technologist and and build rockets and electric cars and you know things that technologies that hopefully have a good effect on the world and advanced civilization that would be my preference. I would not like to be president so that would I would just like to build things that are

35:03 further civilization. That's a smart answer. Are you concerned if the deep state establishment, you know, it's not just one group, is able to kill Trump or not let him run for office for the repercussions? I mean, are you optimistic for the future currently? Or just how do you feel about the election coming up? Well, I think it will not be a boring year. That's for sure. I think it's going to be It's going to be eventful, I suspect. I don't know. You seem quite concerned that people will try to assassinate Trump. But I don't know. I mean, obviously, I'm against assassination generally.

35:53 I guess if Hitler was alive, I'd be in favor of assassinating him, but Stalin, that kind of thing. I would be too, but your attitude is, if you can sell the world on freedom and Humanity 2.0 and a new renaissance, the establishment will just step aside because our ideas are so good. Is that what you're saying? I think what I'm saying is that I think it is very difficult to predict the future. We're certainly going to have a very contentious election and perhaps some contentious elections worldwide. The X platform will strive to be as truthful as possible about what's going on. That's going to be the goal.

36:40 SpaceX is going to build rockets and Tesla is going to build cars. You know, as for what will happen, I mean, I don't know what's going to happen, but I think... 2024 is going to be quite the encore for 2023 is my suspicion. I know you've talked about incredible jets you want to invent, so many other things. Is there any other big invention you've got on the drawing board or the back of your mind that you haven't announced to the world that you want to tell people about today? No. This would not be the forum for announcing any new products or technologies.

37:16 So, I mean, we do have the Neuralink chip, which I know some people might be concerned about, but that's really something that will take a very long time to be in any kind of widespread use. We've got the first use, the first patient will get a Neuralink chip. This is a quadriplegic, and it will enable them to control their computer and their phone. My uncle was in a motorcycle accident and he was having seizures, about to die, couldn't even walk. He got, it's not one of your brain chips, but a brain chip. And actually he can walk and talk and is happy now. So that's not bad.

37:57 Exactly. So, I mean, the regulatory stuff on this is very intense. So, the first one we'll have, you know, think of it sort of like a telepathy. You can sort of control your computer and phone just by thinking. So, it's kind of like telepathy. And then the one after that will be I don't know, we're trying to think of a name for it, but you can think of it like blindsight. Even if somebody has lost both eyes or lost the optic nerve and is completely blind, we can actually give them some amount of sight. I think high resolution sight, kind of like Geordie LaForge from Star Trek, you could actually see in multiple wavelengths, you could see ultraviolet and infrared and even see radar if you want. And by the way, Elon's not lying. Even in MIT papers, they've actually done tests. That's what they say though is, I know the problem is just narrowing the sight to our bandwidth. They say these people see everything, right? Like a full spectrum.

38:58 Yeah, you can have a point in which you have a camera that can receive photons of many wavelengths. So you could see even in the darkest night and you can see ultraviolet, you can see infrared, you can even see radar if you want. So it would be the kind of thing that would... It's probably a trademark thing, but I think BlindSight is a cool name for it. Yeah, we get one question from Mark Dice because this is the best interview ever. Mark Dice is a great journalist He stood up for me the last five years when nobody else would mark quick question for Mark, please

39:37 A comment really, just to reinforce to everybody listening, all the journalists, and thank you by the way, Elon, for unbanning Alex for everything that you're doing for the platform, for humanity. But I just want to reinforce, and I'm glad you retweeted this, Alex, the reason why Twitter cited Alex being banned, contrary to popular belief, is not because he entertained some conspiracy theories about Sandy Hook, as crazy as they were. And Elon just confirmed that the Twitter logs said this. He confronted Oliver D'Arcy, a public figure on public property when he was working in the capacity of a journalist and they cited that as- But Mark, that's old news. Let's move on from Alex Jones. We're talking to Elon Musk. What's your question for Elon Musk?

40:22 I didn't see the twitter file in the twitter files can you release data about the choices that were made regarding the trending list because the trending list drives the news cycle as you know and they can create a self-fulfilling prophecy by manually inserting topics in there getting people to talk about them it becomes a topic it becomes news did I miss that in the twitter files or was that just not released I would like more data on the manipulation of the trending list to manipulate the news cycles over the previous ownership? Yeah, well there was a significant manipulation of the trending list and yeah, worldwide. I mean you can just

41:08 I'd say as a general rule of thumb, whatever conspiracy theory you've got about Twitter is probably even more true than you think it is. Are you taking precautions? Yeah, I think the path to having a clean system is maximum transparency. So that's why I like for community notes, the software for community notes is completely open source. You can see every line. The data for community notes is completely open source. You can see the data, you can see the logic, and you can independently create the community note conclusion.

41:48 So you can tell right away if there's manipulation. And there's always going to be some, with these things, it is not black or white. There's always going to be some degree of manipulation. But you just want to try to create, put as much sunlight on it. As I say, sunlight's the best disinfectant. You want to have it be as clear and transparent as possible. This will minimize the amount of manipulation. So the more visible something is, the less it is in the shadows, the cleaner it will get. It will not be perfect, but it will be much better than something that is hidden. One other point, I hope that you're making precautions for the possibility of X being banned from the App Store, using it as a save to home screen type of a feature, as you know that's probably a very real possibility over the next 12 months. But one other thing here, and again, appreciate your time, I would also

42:43 Just politely ask that the Infowars account and Owen Schroer and Rob Duh, their employees of Alexby, unsuspended. They were lumped in with that initial suspension. And maybe I think it's time, I do believe CNN violated the terms of service of harassment. They posted a video a while ago, years ago, showing them harassing a poor old lady because she shared something on Facebook that originated from Russia. And you can see on the house, there's a show up to her front yard, you can actually see her address, the number plate right on her house, and that's still on Twitter. So- them. I do want to be clear that doxing, which includes revealing the pseudonym of someone, so I want to be clear. Sometimes some

43:31 Publications have claimed that revealing the pseudonym of someone is not doxing when it obviously is will result in at least a temporary suspension. We will be very reluctant to give permanent suspensions, but we will give temporary suspensions for any kind of doxing activity or anything that endangers the health of another person in a meaningful way. And then there's major publications that it does not matter who you are, It doesn't matter how big you are or small. I should say this, there is one, we do have a UN exclusion rule, which is that if it's a major, if it's a head of state recognized by the UN, even if they say things that are, you know, kind of crazy, which they do, then we don't suspend a head of state. Just for the same reason that the UN allows heads of state to say crazy things at the UN assembly. But I think that's more equal than greater fair.

44:26 I think that's what everybody has to say. I was just going to ask, I guess you don't like Nikki Haley's idea of basically doxing everyone? No, I hate it. Yeah, that's crazy. The thing is that a lot of people obviously would face repercussions from their employer or from their government or from some organization if their identity is revealed and that therefore inhibits the public dialogue. There have been professors who've been suspended just for favoriting things on old Twitter. They literally got suspended for just tapping a favorite button.

45:08 So you can say like, look, if a tenured professor can get suspended from their job for just liking a post on the X platform, then obviously there is some need for people to be able to post things anonymously. Otherwise they simply will not be able to speak their mind. Absolutely. It's anti-whistleblower, but I just want to say this. I think the community notes is the best thing ever. Even if somebody says something really horrible, I think there should be some buffer zone to at least let them respond as much as they can before they get banned. Because what I see everywhere is the PR firms will say somebody has said something, they didn't say, they create this woke mob response, then the person's taken down and then most of the time it's not even true what was claimed. Kendra? Yeah. We're very much going to err on the side of

46:10 a freedom of speech which is really just saying in America we're going to uphold the constitution of the United States. And that's what we're going to do and uphold the laws of the country. And if the laws are changed, we'll then change our behavior to match the laws and we'll do so. And we also can only match the laws to other countries because sometimes people will say, well why don't you demand freedom of speech in some other country in the world? I'm like, well, we don't make the laws in that country and if we don't adhere to the laws of the country they will simply cut us off. And so you know we can't do more than that. So that's basically what about the other factors you know before going to General Flynn, you've got obviously laws but you've got the the revenue still running a business and you've got external pressure. How do you balance all these when fighting for free speech?

47:06 Well, we're gonna obviously favor free speech. I believe my action has been very clear in this regard. That if it is a choice between money and freedom, we will pick freedom. General? Thank you, Mario. Thanks for hosting this thing. You're doing a wonderful job. This is really a question for Alex and Elon, a statement, and I wish Andrew and Vivek were still on, but You know, we've talked about these different sort of array of forces between, you know, the globalists and the humanists or whatever the right descriptors are. You know, what I would really like to see, and I would love to hear Vivek's take on it because he's such a, I think he's such a wonderful debater,

47:54 I'd like to know if there's a possibility to set up a intellectual debate between, you know, the Alex Jones, Elon Musk, Andrew Tate, Vivek, probably throw Tucker in there. Maybe there's Joe Rogan against a debate, an intellectual debate against the, you know, the Klaus Schwab's, The Bill Gates is of the world and then there's others. They won't do it because we'll kill them. Well, but see I disagree. I mean, this is how we fight today, right? We are fighting in an information domain. Andrew, you know, I wish he was still on because I'd love to hear his take. You know, Andrew starts to imply, and there's a lot of people that imply this, you know, we're going to move to something that we don't want to, a place that we don't want to be.

48:36 because of this, frankly, what I see is a globalist takeover and I'm all with you, Alex, and you and I have talked about this a lot, but what I would really like to see is an intellectual debate and a challenge. I mean, otherwise, because 2024 is going to be for the United States, it's gonna be a historically consequential moment in history. And I would prefer that we extraordinary session that I've been listening to for the last couple hours here. And I would really like to hear at least Alex, because you're on and I think Elon's still on. What do you think about setting up some type of intellectual debate or at least array the... On X, on X, or doing it through spaces? On X, yeah, on X or however. Yeah, I would love to see them come on X to do this. Alex, would you be open, you and Elon, would you be open to such a debate?

49:31 Well, let me just throw this thing because I'm chomping the bit here and then I'll take over. It should be on X. They had the last Republican debate and it had like 5 million viewers. This is going to have 50 million viewers. We keep acting like dinosaur media even still matters. It should only be held on X. And I would love to see it in this format or with an added video component to it. Yes, challenge their intellectual ideas. I'm sorry. That's my point. We have to challenge their intellectual arguments. Yeah, I agree with the general. Hold on, Laura. I was just going to say that from a feature standpoint, we are working on adding video to spaces. So it'll just be a simple thing where you can turn video on or off and then whoever's speaking at the video will switch to them. Just like if it's a, I guess, like a

50:26 group call or something like that. So that I think will help, you know, because it's helpful to see people's body language as I speak. It conveys more information if you can see their face and their body language if they wish to. When do you think that will happen? I think we're hopeful of, we hope to release that functionality before the end of the year but certainly by early next year. Huge, well that's a big technological announcement. That's a big one. That's big. Yeah. Oh, I'll go to CJ. That's very big. So that's pretty frankly. Uh, but yeah, it'll be cool. I think. Yeah.

51:06 Is this fascinating how far space is, I remember being on spaces since the early days, pre Elon, to see how far it's gone and to be able to have discussions like this. I don't think the audience understands. There's never been any platform where voices from all sides, voices that were censored before, were all speaking at one place. Oh, let's be clear, there's been more innovation than Elon took over than the whole space before. I'll jump off but I just want to say thanks to Elon. It's a rather embarrassing Ron DeSantis situation. I mean I really have to credit the X team for making massive improvements to spaces because it basically did not work at scale.

51:46 until a massive amount of work was put into it. It obviously broke rather embarrassingly in the Rondesantes situation, and we didn't realize how fragile and weak it was. And since then, we've put massive work into making spaces actually robust and be able to have, you know, you have at this point millions of people listening simultaneously. Which is quite difficult to do. Let me be clear, Elon. Elon, I've never seen an interface that works this good. I mean, you've got a whole how you're doing this and General Flynn did bring up the best question the last two hours. So I'm sorry, I was like getting so excited, I interrupted the general. He's absolutely right. We should be challenging them to debate us. I agree with you, General. That's really a key point. I'm saying they're too cowardly to do it. How do we- Jack, Jack, Jack, your mic, I can't hear you, Jack. But you go ahead. Just quickly, before you continue, Alex, Elon, I don't know if you remember, I think the first space he came on and we had 100K live listeners and it broke. So it wouldn't show. Yeah.

52:43 True. I don't know how you do it. Right now, 109,000. Yeah, I don't know how you do it. But I know that we have to do it. We don't have a I think we are in a place where we don't have a choice right now. I think the intellectual arguments on their side, I just think that they're going to fall flat. And they don't really have a good argument. And you mentioned it early on about You know how much energy it takes to lie and then it just does to lie to so many damn people But we have to pick this fight. Yeah, it has to be intellectual Our intellectual arguments are much much stronger And I just think we have to have the right type people and you know those those people have been on here today and and invite these people I mean if they're if they don't want to come we call them out as cowards for me Wait a minute being or everybody wait a bit general Flynn. Hold on that. I'm gonna call you out right now. I

53:32 Eating bugs, drag queen story time, open borders, World War III. You're saying that's not how, you're saying their plan isn't wonderful? For a guy that has had to eat bugs, Alex, they don't taste very good. So yeah. I'll go one step further. I think we should see a 2v2 MMA duel between Elon and Alex versus Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates. I think that'd be the real thing. I think Elon should call them out. It'll be bigger than the top UFC fight. If those cowards will show up, my God, it'll be their waterloo. Elon, you know how the media works. Do you want to call them out and then you'll get that snippet all over the media?

54:17 Well, I'm certainly happy to have a debate with Klaus Schwab or others. I think you guys may have been following what's going on in Davos more than I have and certainly more than the vast majority of people have. I think most people don't even know that there is a conference in Davos, the World Economic Forum. And I've only seen snippets, but some of the snippets are concerning and And I don't think we should have an unelected quasi-governmental organization. Deciding our future. That's I mean who said who made them the boss I I don't I mean the people even know that they're doing this Like they're I'm not okay with some organization, you know and That I don't vote for controlling You know my destiny or that of other people so

55:15 And I don't know if they're necessarily fully controlling, but they certainly are influencing things. And I think an unelected world government is not a good idea. Well, on that point, CJ, I'll go to you right after for a question then Suleyman, but on that point, how much control, you kind of change it whether control or influence? Because on one side, you've got people that say, you know, they control the world, every decision is kind of influenced or, you know, their they make that decision behind the scenes. On the other side there's the people making the argument that they're trying to do the right thing and things are being taken out of proportion and full of conspiracy. Where do you think on that spectrum, in your opinion, we stand? Well, I mean the original premise of the World Economic Forum was to have some kind of forum where there would be interaction between government leaders and

56:17 commercial leaders, heads of corporations and governments, that there would be some forum for them to talk. And like that original premise, I think is not a bad one because right now you've got the UN, but that's just government to government. And you've got a bunch of sort of individual situations where commercial leaders will meet with government people one-on-one. But there's the, you know, the sort of the good part of the World Economic Forum is like, It's probably good to have some dialogue between commercial leaders and government leaders internationally. That's the positive side, and that's originally how I heard about the World Economic Forum. I was invited to speak there many years ago.

57:10 I was just too busy working and I was like, well, I can't really go spend five days in Switzerland. I have work to do in America. And they weirdly wanted me to come talk there but also pay them $20,000. And I'm like, that doesn't make sense. So I declined the invitation. And now it does seem that since that, since inception, perhaps this organization has gained a bit too much power and a bit too much influence. And I think it probably, you know, it should have less power and influence is my opinion.

57:47 Elon, I have a quick question. You tweeted about the imprisonment of the American Chilean Gonzalo Lira in Khorkiv, Ukraine yesterday. I'm curious if that imprisonment of an American for speaking his mind on YouTube and X has caused you to consider further Support for Ukraine, albeit through Starlink or other means, and also unrelated to that, can you provide any updates about Starlink for Gaza? I mean, I generally think, look, I understand that if somebody, if an American citizen is in another country and violates that country's laws or those countries' laws, even if their actions would not violate the laws in the United States, that that person would then be put in prison. But in the case of Ukraine, the United States is providing a vast amount of aid to Ukraine, and the United States government has an obligation to protect its citizens.

58:48 And so I think even if one disagrees with what, you know, that I guess YouTuber or journalist, depending on your perspective, what they posted, I feel uncomfortable sending massive aid to Ukraine if they're putting American citizens in jail for doing videos on YouTube. That's not cool. And it's like, and you could say like, okay, well, yeah, but Ukraine has the sovereignty in their country. It's like, yeah, but they don't have a right to our money as well. So it's like, they don't have a right to our money and support and to imprison and mistreat American citizens. Well, that's right. Look, look, I'm not a dog in the fight. Russia, Ukraine, it's an old ancient fight between the two countries that's been going on for a thousand years. It's a Slavic civil war.

59:42 Ukraine is arresting the Orthodox Church. Ukraine, even the mayor of Kiev has said, Zelensky's becoming a dictator. So all I'm saying is this black hole we're feeding hundreds of billions into, we should at least be able to debate it. And if an American journalist is critical, he doesn't deserve to be put in a gulag. That's very dangerous. I agree, Elon. And as for Starlink for Gaza? Yeah, and on the Stalin for Gaza front, I mean, obviously that place is currently a war front next level. So in order for Stalin to be used in Gaza, the terminals have to be brought in and they have to be used in a way that where it is

1:00:28 there's a high degree of certainty that they are not being used for any violence. So, now, there are only really two ways to get into Gaza. One is through Egypt and the other is through Israel. So if there was like a situation where say Egypt was willing to let an assaulting terminal in and we could have very high certainty that the terminal would not be used for any kind of military purposes or for violence, then we would support that. Egypt has not stepped forward to the best of my knowledge in that regard. And obviously we're not going to be played for fools here where if an organization would perhaps pretend to be using Starlink for peaceful purposes but then actually use it for violent purposes. We will basically ask for a webcam on that thing 24-7.

1:01:24 And if there's a slightest concern about it being used for violent means, it would be turned off. So that's the situation there. I mean, it is a very difficult situation. I am sympathetic to Israel, but I also am sympathetic to civilians in Gaza. I'm pro-human, to be clear. Elon, it's just like, here's the deal. I'm not pro-Russian, I'm a pro-Ukraine, I hate the war, I'm pro all of them, I agree. But when you learned that they were using Starlink to rig up robot boats to blow up battleships when Russia said they were going to launch nukes, and they did, you didn't sign up Starlink to be a weapon system. It's very fair to say it's my company, it's my

1:02:19 Well, yes. To be clear, Crimea and the sea around Crimea was an officially sanctioned area by the United States. And we were not actually, so the Starlink cells were not turned on in Crimea and the area around Crimea because of U.S. law that would prevent us from doing so. There was a Ukrainian attempted attack on the fleet in Sevastopol, and I got an emergency call saying like, hey, we need to turn on the cells.

1:03:00 around Sevastopol. And I'm like, well, that's currently a US sanction zone. We would need permission from the US government to do so. And in fact, I don't, and it would also mean that we are directly complicit in a attack on the Russian fleet directly. There's no plausible deniability here. Now, even though I'm not the biggest fan of President Biden, but if President Biden had called and said, as the President of the United States, I'm asking you to turn the sails on, I would have done so.

1:03:43 But we did not get any such call. We were only called by the Ukrainian government and the Ukrainian government is not my boss. It would actually be illegal for me to turn on Starlink cells at the request of a foreign government in a territory sanctioned by the United States. That would actually be a violation of US law. They're setting you up like some bad pigs. Yeah, but the media misrepresented it as I turned off the cells. This is not true. They were never on. And if I had turned them on, I would have broken U.S. law. And I would need an exemption from the State Department and express written permission from the president in order to do that. And that's why Blinken is-

1:04:43 Yeah. So, and I do think we need to be cautious about escalating that war, and we need to find a path to peace and not sacrifice the flower of Ukrainian and Russian youth ultimately for nothing, or for a few miles of territory, which is currently what's been going on for the past year. I'm dealing with the sentiments, dude. I've got a question. Let me go to CJ and I'll go to you right after. It's CJ. Mario. Thank you. Thank you so much.

1:05:21 Yeah, thank you so much Mario for hosting this. Elon, my name is CJ Pearson, I'm a 21 year old conservative activist and I currently work at Prager University and General Flynn made a really important point a little bit earlier about how Twitter has made it super accessible for conversations like this to happen, debates and discourse. And Alex, I think, also made the point earlier that if you look at the debates and the viewership that they've had, you don't really see them reaching all that many young people via traditional cable channels. And one idea that conservative activists like myself have had, different Gen Z conservative influencers have had, is having a Gen Z moderated debate or town hall with the Republican primary candidates and exclusively streaming it here on X. What would you think about something like that? Do you think that would be a way for

1:06:09 America's next generation to hear different ideas that they obviously aren't hearing currently on their college campuses? Well, actually, I don't believe in exclusivity. But I think that not doing it on the X platform, it makes no sense. Things should be done on the X platform because it is the most widely accessible platform. It is where you will see, it has by far the most reach. The X platform has by far the most reach of anything. Although this conversation might

1:06:45 Top out at maybe a few hundred thousand people live but it will probably go viral afterwards and I don't know probably have ten ten million people listen to it or twenty on the mutiny space read eighteen million listeners from memory. Yeah so i mean the way to think this platform is that there are on an average day there are over two hundred and fifty million people on the platform as an average days of some some days it's more like 300 or 400 million and a really crazy day could be like 500 million. So, I mean, we're, you know, at times we're starting to approach 10% of all humans who are online are on the platform. And we're obviously not active in China. We, it's not, you know, X doesn't work in China. It actually works on international phones, but not domestic phones. And, um,

1:07:42 I believe it also does not work in Russia. I think we do exceed 10% of all humans at times on this platform, so it seems crazy to ignore this platform because then you're just going to reach far fewer people. The proof is in the pudding, you just treat it by its fruits. You are the only massive platform that's open and free. People are hungry, it's exploding. This is the example for the world and we're trying to stop war, we're trying to create a pro-human future. This is what this is really all about. I've been very honored.

1:08:19 Alex, before you honor, just to give you an idea of how Spaces works, just in the last couple hours, that was meant to be an interview with you. Then Elon jumped on, Andrew Tate, his brother, we just had Vivek jump on, and Matt Gates just jumped on as well. One thing with Spaces, you just never know who could come up. Matt, how are you? I'm great. I'm enjoying hearing Elon's perspective on adding value to all of our followerships and allowing us to engage. Your thoughts on Alex Jones being back on the platform? I think it's great. Alex has been someone who's provoked a lot of critical thinking from policy makers and broad audiences. You know, of course, there are things that I'm going to say that would offend people, things that Alex would say that would offend people, but I think they'll just have to be offended. I think it enriches the discussion to have Alex back. Suleiman?

1:09:10 Yeah, I've got a few questions. My first question is we've seen extremely positive steps in terms of the return of Alex Jones. We've seen the return of Andrew Tate. We've seen the return of President Trump. And so X is definitely moving towards a free speech platform. My question is, when will we be able to get to a situation where it's completely free speech and it's just based solely on following the legal laws of the country? I know it's a process and it takes time, but how far do we envision this happening? How far in the future? Well, I think we've made dramatic progress over the past year. It's only been a year since the acquisition closed. And it's been quite difficult to, we had to not just keep the wheels on the bus, but upgrade the bus whilst going down the highway. While Elon's cut out, Thomas Jefferson said, we will not be transported to a state of liberty on a feather bed. Is Elon back?

1:10:14 I think he might have got a call. No, you're back. Okay, sorry. Yeah, I'm just saying it's been quite difficult to keep the wheels on the bus and upgrade the bus while going barreling down the highway at 100 miles an hour. So that's kind of where I think we've made tremendous progress in the year. And I think that progress, I think is accelerating. So And we keep cleaning up the code base and simplifying it and providing more transparency and providing more clarity and obviously improving freedom of speech and getting closer and closer to the law. And I just want to say with respect to the law, I am a strong believer in the law. So you'll sometimes read an article where it sounds like I'm some crazy maverick who just likes breaking the law. It's like I am subject to so many laws that I might be

1:11:06 hundreds of thousands of laws, maybe millions. When you think about Tesla and SpaceX and Starlink and all the countries that they're in and all the regulatory regimes and all the rules and regulations that we have to adhere to, and the amazing thing is how closely we actually adhere to the law and follow the law and do what countries believe is right and legal. Once in a while, in a fairer case, I might disagree with the law regulation, but we will not willfully violate it.

1:11:43 So what I'm trying to say is I'm extremely law abiding. Elon, Elon, Elon, I totally agree with you. I don't know how you have the energy. People talk about Trump's energy. Your energy is insane. Where does your energy come from? Going back to being a child, did you kind of, because we know the universe is a loop or a figure eight, it doesn't just go in one direction. Did you have inklings of the big things you were going to do? Or when you were a child, did you have any like, foresight about what you were going to be doing? No, not really. I just, you know, I liked technology and like taking devices apart and fixing them and pulling things. And, uh, I love science fiction fantasy, you know, like Lord of the Rings and Highland and Asimov and, um, Star Trek and Star Wars. And, um,

1:12:38 I didn't know what I was going to do. I liked programming computers. I found programming computers to be intrinsically interesting, not because I thought I'd have a job. Actually, I didn't think I'd have a job. I didn't know you could even make money writing computer software, but I was just interested in it in and of itself. So I'd program computers all night by myself, which doesn't appeal to everyone. That's, I think, actually quite an unusual thing to want to type strange symbols into a computer all night essentially by yourself. It's not what most people want to do, but I did like doing that. I also liked hanging out with friends and stuff.

1:13:18 No, I didn't think any of this would happen. I'm just, I would say I have a philosophy of curiosity, which is that I try to understand more about the nature of the universe and our place in it. And that's why I studied physics, not for career reasons, just to try to understand how the universe actually works and what has good predictive value. And physics has got very good predictive value. That's why I studied it. Then give us your predictive value. Gut level, Elon Musk, I mean this is like beyond any Hollywood movie where we're at right now. Does humanity survive? Gut level, you've got all these great children, that means you bet on humanity. Do we make it to the next level and what is the next level? You know what I mean there?

1:14:18 Sorry, yeah. Yeah, go ahead. One needs to think of the future as probabilities and not certainties. So any given action that we do can affect the probability of a good outcome. There are no certainties that I can determine, or at least I don't have a crystal ball that can predict. So we're changing the future. Yes, I think by our actions, we can individually take actions that improve the probability of a good future and the furtherance of civilization. And I think we should take those actions. And some of that, we've got to have kids or there won't be a next generation. And we've got to educate them well and

1:15:12 I think you know like some... No, no, hold on. Let me ask this question Elon because you're obviously a genius. We're here talking right now. Don't predict the future, be the future. Yes, the best way to, the best way to, I'm scared to come out with this, but the best way to predict the future is to create it. Yes. Fantastic i don't have any questions i just have a comment to make the biggest thing is and i saw i heard jason's question and i know alex answered it at the beginning with elon. Open it up with him i had alex on i don't know alex it was a couple months ago or something you were on we had a great exchange together the best part about this is the following i applaud elon for.

1:15:58 You know the fact that you know just a few months ago he said he's not gonna have a lot of it is not gonna have alex on and then after seeing what the audience wants to survey comes to seventy thirty. And keeping that commitment for allowing Alex to be on, the people who have different strong opinions who are humanists, who want to defend freedom of speech, defend the same rights that we have, we're finding each other. And I just want everybody to remember this. Go back to September of 2022. When Professor Galloway said, Elon is full of it, he's not gonna buy it, he's toying with all of you. And then Elon bought the company, whatever the price of the company was, some said it was 50% more, it was a $20 billion company, $30 billion company, he paid the entire number, he didn't have to do this. If that purchase wasn't to be made, think about where America would be today. I want everybody to think about that part. It's been 13 months since then, it's pissed a lot of people off.

1:16:55 The fact that Ilana I applaud you for standing up to folks who you're saying what you're saying to advertisers or what do you have to do be a slave to them they have to constantly put that fear in you we applaud you got a lot of people back in your Alex is great to have you back on. pushing the envelope, you could be wrong, everybody could be wrong. It's not like all of us are always right. We have the ability to be wrong and when we are and people can challenge us and move on and then they can make a decision. Either look, I don't like Alex or I like Alex. Great, no problem. That's the freedom of you have to pick and choose to like somebody's views or not. But the biggest factor here is

1:17:31 Somebody had the courage to use their resources to buy a platform like this to give everybody else the freedom to debate, to argue, to give their thoughts, to give their opinions. And then at the same time, if you're wrong, you admit to it. If you're not, you stick to your guns. But best part on what's going on to the world right now is we are finding each other. The fighters are finding each other. And that has gotta be a very scary thing to people who oppose the concept of freedom of speech. So I have no question for Alex, I have no questions for Ilan, I just wanted to jump in and applaud everybody, even those who debate, even those who agree, even those who disagree. Future looks bright, the right people are finding each other, and I applaud all of you. That's all I wanted to say, so. Patrick, beautifully said, brother. Remember Patrick, I apologized for Sandy Hook on your show five years ago. I remember that.

1:18:22 I remember that. Patrick, question for you then. You've been here a few times and you've uploaded Spaces and X. When is the show, I think you've got 2 million subscribers on YouTube, when will the X version launch? When will the X version launch? I've never had a conversation with Elon. We've never had a sit down. I totally support what they're doing. Right now what we're doing is we're starting to upload all our episodes on X as well as we're putting on other platforms. But the direction this is going with a few asks that was made where we cannot watch the video on 2.0 speed. I'm a 2.0 speed guy. I like to speed it up. X marks the spot. X is it. No, I totally see it going that direction, but...

1:19:05 No, I mean, look, it's look what's going on right now. Look at this live. How many people are on right now? I don't know what the number is. Hundred and- 118,000. 119. 119,000 on a Sunday where I'm sitting in my backyard right now watching my four kids play soccer and we're able to jump on and have a conversation like this. This is insane. The power of what's going on with this. This is the future. I think this is just the beginning and the right guy is driving it. So future looks bright. Yeah, this question is for Mr. Musk and Mr. Gates. So during the 2020 election cycle, we saw a lot of people be either deplatformed or noted for making claims of election fraud. Now, at the time that those claims were made, there was no way of knowing they were true or untrue because they hadn't been litigated yet.

1:19:55 So, going forward as we're coming into a new election cycle, Mr. Gates, is there anything being done legislatively or in the House to ensure that that doesn't happen again? And the same question to go to Mr. Musk. Thank you. The strongest, I think, influence on that censorship regime right now is the Missouri v. Biden litigation and the injunctions there that are being resolved and some sort of the public humiliation we've put some of the senior DOJ and FBI leadership through as they've had to fess up to the nature of some of these emails and contacts. We've brought the journalists that have been covering this, Schellenberger and Taibbi forward to kind of repeatedly try to set that deterrent

1:20:40 But I think that it's not just about elections. I mean, it can be about any number of the things that the federal government wants to control the four corners of discourse on. And these are the people who would have like, you know, would have banned Galileo. And yet when people want to share evidence or experiences or concerns, you can't have the Department of Homeland Security and CISA of A lot of these senior lawyers oscillate back and forth between big tech and the senior positions in our government that decide these things. So Republicans in the House should be taking a stronger stand, in my view. We should be putting riders on the funding for CISA and FBI so that, you know,

1:21:43 You know, anything that would occur there would be so clearly outside the law that it would draw sanction. But instead, we continue to govern by these continuing resolutions that don't gate resources away from that censorship. Well, actually, Congressman Gates, the fact you mentioned that about the FBI and CISA, this has been the huge thing that's come out of the Twitter files. It was a two-way street. While you're tracking what the government was doing in 2020 vis-a-vis censorship, really leaning on regards to the HunterDrive laptop, which we released in October of 2020, this is actually a huge question for X going forward into 2024 because, Elon, you've said that you want to be

1:22:26 in working in conjunction within the confines of the law, but the question is if that law is being enforced by the law enforcement agency of the FBI or the DHS and then they come to X and say, these posts need to be censored, this information needs to be censored because we've determined whatever it is, how does X make that determination? Well, if we believe that something is not in accordance with the law, then we will ask a judge or jury to make a decision. We don't have much of it, but that is the best we can do. So, I just want to be clear. You just cut out again, Elon. You got a call.

1:23:17 I'm sorry. Yeah, I just want to be clear that the X platform will aspire to be as neutral as possible. And that's an entry to be as open and transparent as possible. I think we will be I think we'll achieve maximum transparency. I think we'll be fully transparent, hopefully by early next year. I'm confident we'll be fully transparent by the time there is an election next year. Basically, we'll just see anything that is happening on the system and nothing will be hidden. That is the goal.

1:23:58 Well, if those agencies though, the FBI, the DHS, etc., if they reach out to ex, I believe they called it defensive briefings in 2020 regarding, which eventually culminated in the censorship of Hunter Biden. If they started reaching out again, would that be something that you or the team, and I can understand if you don't want to answer now, but you would consider making public? We will be as transparent as possible. Yeah, and frankly, if I think a government agency is breaking the law and there are demands on the platform, I would be prepared to go to prison personally if I think they are the ones breaking the law. Redheads and then Alex and Benny.

1:24:47 Great, thank you. Hi everyone, I'm Josie. I'm the red-headed libertarian on X and I'm a revolutionary historian and I do outside media work at TimCast.com. I just wanted to jump back to X as a free speech platform. Elon had mentioned constitutional speech will be protected and there's some confusion as to what that constitutes, constitutional speech. So I just wanted to help kind of clarify that for some listeners who might have questions. So the speech and expression which are not given protections in America under the First Amendment include incitement, defamation, fraud, obscenity, CP, fighting words, and truth threats. The government does have power to make blanket regulations on speech including time, place, manner. That's usually done in the form of permits.

1:25:37 And when it comes to slander and libel, those are defamation adjacent and need to be proven as there's no such thing as a false opinion under the First Amendment, only a false fact. But many times by the time the due process is through, the damage has already been done. I mean, we saw that with the Me Too movement, particularly with Justice Kavanaugh. We saw that with Alex Jones, the Tates, Nick Sandman, Kyle Rittenhouse, where the kind of propaganda machine took over. And truth was lost for a period of time. So when it comes to obscenity, that's the hardest constitutional violation to prove when it comes to the expression of that because it has kind of a standard of I know it when I see it. So there is something called the Miller Test to determine whether something is deemed legally extreme. So I hope that that helps. Yes, but we're not doing drag queen story time here. We're not calling for violence. We're not hacking websites. We're promoting freedom. That's why we're censored. Yes, exactly.

1:26:41 Yes. I just wanted to thank you on for his commitment to free speech, reinstating Alex. Of course. Welcome back. And I just wanted to I think it was Mark Dice earlier who raised this with Owen Schreier's ban. I just wanted to note that it didn't have anything to do with the InfoWars thing. It actually had to do with the fact that he called for people to come to a rally and Media Matters actually did a hit piece and they said that it would violate Texas's social distancing order. So that's how they actually got him banned was through a Media Matters hit piece. So in response, Twitter 1.0 banned him. So I just wanted to get any thoughts on that. It's the perfect timing. Elon, maybe you can also give us an update if there is any on Media Matters and why you decided to do them.

1:27:39 Yeah, Media Matters is an evil propaganda machine. So I just generally am against evil propaganda machines. And so we are suing them in every country that they operate. And we will pursue not just the organization, but anyone funding that organization. I want to be clear about that. Anyone funding that organization, we will pursue them. So, Media Mattis is an evil propaganda machine. They can go to hell. I hope they do. So, yeah.

1:28:19 Benny? So, actually, I need to just step off the call at this point. I just have some family obligations. But I think it's been certainly a very interesting conversation. I suspect this will go viral. Probably snippets of it will go viral in a way that don't entirely represent the situation. I hope that anyone who reads about it or hears about it actually just takes the time to listen to the entire space's conversations.

1:28:55 It will be saved, I suspect there will be probably many millions, if not tens of millions of people listening to the conversation. I just hope they listen to the whole conversation and not just small parts of it. Elon, I totally agree. Let me just say, thanks for reinstating me. I'm going to do the best job to not be misrepresented. Thank you. Thank you for the freedom you're promoting, the pro-human future. We're on Team Humanity. Thanks for spending two hours with us plus. And this has just been surreal. It's really been amazing. So X is where it's at. Thank you, Elon Musk. You're welcome. Like I said, I'm very much in favor of supporting the laws and constitution of the United States. And I think if we start eroding freedom of speech, we erode the foundation of democracy. The bedrock of democracy is freedom of speech, and we must do everything we possibly can to protect that.

1:29:57 Well, thank you. Well, thank you, Elon, for all the time. And I want to thank this whole crew. I'm going to be posting a lot of stuff at Real Alex Jones on Twitter. People should follow us there. And this has been the most epic interview ever. I love this new spaces system. And it's just good to have my identity back. So I actually say what I actually said versus him misrepresenting. I'm not perfect, but God bless you all. And I really appreciate you on.