1:40:42 Maybe. I just know I am. It makes me pine for the days of jury nullification in this country because if the feds are manipulating charges to silence potential witnesses or to cover their tracks, we ought to be able to say to jurors, you decide both the facts and the law. And when the government starts playing pocket pool with justice and starts hiding the truth from jurors, jurors ought to be able to ask questions of what's going on here. Here's my question to the doc who will join us again on Monday and Norm Pattis where he got some more to say and some news after he leaves. What about, because you've talked to your sources, I've talked to my high-level Justice Department, former, but very recently in, saying this is unprecedented, it's a domestic rollout, the American people are terrorists. It's an attempt basically to unofficially ban the Republican Party and say it's terrorist. And then Biden's even given speeches going, I don't think the Republican Party will exist in 2024. And you've got McConnell saying, hey, don't brand your opposition terrorist. This is crazy. So I think Republicans are finally getting that the Democrats know that they've
1:41:41 Lost the public's will there's been a major political realignment doesn't mean Republicans are our saviors But my god, the Democrats have gone to seed They're on foreign payrolls with the Chinese communists and others and I don't think just like Venezuela People tried to vote out Hugo Chavez you saw what happened to me. This is a real authoritarian takeover not just shutting conservatives and nationalists off the internet, now taking their businesses, their bank accounts, taking them off cable TV. I mean, you can see that it's already here. And now I've got a stack of news, we'll show up for the professor leaves, with them literally saying, we're in a civil war, we need to arrest all the Republicans. The former deputy director of the FBI said, all
1:42:21 All the Republicans are basically terrorists. This is apocalyptic. You've got the attorney general, as you quoted, if you don't even know you're in a conspiracy but you hate it, you're going to jail. That's not in the statutes yet. So Norm? I was stunned. I hadn't paid any attention to what Merrick Garland said on the anniversary of the January 6th event, and it was brought to my attention just the other night. So I looked at it and I was in shock. I'd always felt bad for Garland. I thought that his vote or his nomination at the Supreme Court was at least owed the courtesy of a vote and it was cowardly not to give him one. But when I saw him shaking in his boots as it were in fake rage on national television, basically calling everybody who didn't agree with him as a terrorist, I thought he was unhinged. So I called a friend of mine who recently had been in the Justice Department at a senior position and I said, what's your take on this guy? Is he out of his mind? And how do you unhinge him?
1:43:15 knowingly participate in a conspiracy. That makes zero sense. That sounds worse than 1984. Yeah, no it is. It just can't happen. There's a scienter, a mental state requirement to conspiracy. It's what's known as a specific intent crime. You have to have the conscious objective to join in a criminal enterprise. You don't do that unknowingly, period. In order to commit a crime in the United States, two things are necessary. You have to have a prohibited, you have to have a mental state, first of all, a culpable mental state, and you have to commit a prohibited act. What's a culpable mental state? Intent in some crimes, recklessness in other. There is criminal negligence. But unknowing, not doing anything, is not going to support a conspiracy charge. All I'll say is Merrick Garner was completely insane that last phone call. Well, he does. He really did. So this friend of mine said, look.
1:43:59 The mainstream media is not covering this. He knows this friend of mine that I work for, Mr. Jones, he's no supporter of Mr. Jones, but he said you guys got to get the word out. The media needs to cover this. The criminalization of dissent appears to be on the Justice Department's menu. So this is an unprecedented power grab. Darren, why do you think this is happening? Well, I mean, the larger context of it for the false narrative of January 6th and otherwise is to advance this domestic war on terror. I think that's been clear for a long time. And so January 6th, to the extent that they can frame it as this Trump insurrection and not the Fed's erection, which fundamentally I think it actually was.
1:44:44 they can effectively smear over half the country as potential or de facto domestic terrorists and therefore marshal the full weight and force of the American national security apparatus to silence and crush them. Perfectly said. So the outline of your opposition, the classic authoritarian move. Yep. Indeed. All right, Doc, finish up on that point. I shouldn't have interrupted. Then we're going to let you go and I'll talk to you Monday. We really appreciate your work at Revolver News. Well, I think I've said all that I wanted to say on that, but I look forward to coming on Monday and further discussing some of these cases. Let me ask you this.
1:45:30 You really got my attention though. Are you predicting that they're going to try to like get some of these people to now lie about us to get out of jail? I wouldn't be surprised. I think that's one possible avenue that they can use to justify why they're not ultimately pursuing the seditious conspiracy charge to trial and conviction. All right, doctor. Thank you so much. In the case of Stuart Rhodes, I think the others are different stories. So I'm talking specifically about Rhodes. Yeah, because most people in Oath Keepers are great folks and I think Stuart's still innocent until proven guilty and we're gonna have to suss all this out. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you.
1:46:13 All right, Norm, I really appreciate you spending so much time with us. I'm going to try to give you the floor right now because I'm always interrupting. You have so much to say. And then I've got some articles and things I want to go over here with you. But I mean, this is just an unprecedented surreal time to be alive for me. I know that personally. And just the news today of MyPillow getting their banks taken away because of the FBI. I mean, I've heard the report, the banker saying it. And all of this, and you've got a