Topic: Drew Pavlou

Australian activist Drew Pavlou joins the program to debate the Ukraine conflict and the risk of nuclear escalation. The host argues that NATO's eastward expansion and strikes on Russian nuclear strategic assets are provocations intended to start a global war. Pavlou is challenged on his support for the Ukrainian government, which the host characterizes as a dictatorship that has banned opposition and the Orthodox Church.

Drew Pavlou introduces himself as an anti-communist activist who has faced kidnap plots from the Chinese government. He argues that the war is fundamentally about Ukraine's right to exist as an independent nation separate from the Russian Empire. Pavlou cites the Holodomor genocide as a reason Ukrainians reject Russian rule and mentions a peace proposal involving a ceasefire and the return of kidnapped children.