MUST-WATCH ALEX JONES & NICK FUENTES INTERVIEW / DEBATE — 12/17/25

00:00 I'm not optimistic in the short term because I think there is a cataclysm that's imminent. War with China, economic collapse, this debt crisis is going to reset the currency. But I'm optimistic because the young men seem to have woken up. And some people call me an accelerationist for saying this. I really think I'm just someone who thinks in terms of second and third order consequences, even let's say for Europe as an example. One reason that I'm less worried about Muslims is that let's game it out. Okay, Muslims take over Europe. Eventually that radicalizes all the white people, even the liberals.

00:36 Because liberals are gonna start to say, well, we want feminism and we want gay rights and we wanna have a general climate of licentiousness. And Muslim rule is not gonna be conducive to that. So on a long enough timeline, you create enough Muslims in Europe and yeah, there is like civil war conditions, but that makes the Europeans become who they are. And I'm not saying we should do that. I'm not saying let's roll the dice. I'm saying you can kind of forecast out how that will play out. And you could see how Muslims being a very imminent and apparent threat is actually going to galvanize resistance. And I view America similarly, which is to say that

01:13 as America becomes more diverse, as it starts to fall apart, the young men are gonna actually be galvanized by these things. That's why I've always said America first is inevitable, because if what we are saying is true, the country's gonna get a lot worse. But people are gonna change their behavior. People are not potted plants, they react. And so as the country gets worse, the cost to benefit ratio of engaging in politics, of being a radical, being let's say pro-white, pro-American, pro-Christian, it's gonna change. 20 years ago, you didn't wanna be a racist because it was such a high social cost. And people said, well, why do we care about race? And it was easy to say that because race wasn't really a problem. We lived in a country that was still mostly white and the diversity had not set in yet and the demographic change was not felt. And so people said, hey man, this is like a big, happy, white country with some non-white people. Who cares if they cause some problems or they're a little rude, it's not a big deal.

02:13 Okay, 30 years down the line, 40, 50 years down the line, whites are the minority. Stacey Abrams is president. She's taking money from white people to give to non-white people like we're at the end of a gun, we're at the end of a spear. Then people are gonna start to say, wait a second, we need to look out for each other. We need to band together. So you can sort of see how the only way out is through. So I'm pessimistic in the short term, these systems and these the ways of doing things that have been the way they are for a long time, they can't go on. It's not sustainable. There will be a hard reset. There will be a true revolution in every domain of society. On the other side of that, there is an opportunity to make things better. It's not inevitable that we actualize it, but there is an opportunity that when everything comes apart, when things get really heated and hot, if the right wing has the numbers and the organization and the discipline

03:08 excuse me, we can take advantage of it. And maybe we can then control the future. The government fears Alex Jones, who has the largest audience in the country, bigger than any of the networks, the biggest megaphone in the country. The deep state hates Alex Jones with a vengeance. Alex Jones is the most extraordinary person I've ever met. Well, things are really coming to a head. Nick Fuentes is with us for the next hour and 50 minutes or so. Nick predicted a lot of problems with the new Trump administration, and a lot of those have come true. I think he did that to be mean, he did that to try to put pressure on them to do the right thing, because we need the Trump administration to succeed. But also there's been so much great stuff that's been done, RFK Jr., and Tulsi Gabbard, and the border, and that's escalated up. And now we see two and a half million deported. But at the same time, the messaging, oh, the economy's great, inflation's over. No, it's not, you put in some policies that are starting to turn it around.

04:17 And then Trump comes out and promotes the H1B visas, that blows up in his face, so he backs off under criticism. I mean, it's a good thing that we can see when we put pressure, we get a lot of course correction. But then you've got that mishandling of the Epstein situation, and you've got all these other things that are going on. And then, Rasmussen polling is the best, they warned Trump, he was starting to drop six months ago. He's now basically the lowest point in his nine years off and on in office. And you got the Trump worshippers that get mad at me when I say, hey, you're going the wrong direction. Look out. Then you got people mad at me saying just totally abandoned Trump. And I'm like, and then have the Democrats want to put me in prison? So it's like I'm in this lifeboat that's leaking. It's all I've got. So that's my paradox. I try to criticize Trump to get him to make the right decisions.

05:09 I don't think he's playing 50 D chess, and he's God. It's very paradoxical, but he is set to address the nation. And I'll be covering it live tonight in a simulcast with Steve Bannon. He hasn't given me the exact times, but he's going on before, during, and after. So tonight we're doing a show, just look for like 730 Central or so. Trump goes live at 8 central, 8 PM Central, 9 PM Eastern. So look for that. And they've been very tight lipped. We don't know what this is going to be if Trump comes out and does hours of all the great things they've done and cheerleading and it's the best economy ever and everything's fine. People want to be straight shot. Yeah, you've cut some energy prices, a few things have gotten better.

05:57 A lot of great jobs being brought back, but it takes time. Don't do that. If he does that, I'm going to be even more concerned. Hopefully he just straight shoots people on a whole bunch of issues and rallies the public and says, ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. And so I wanted to ask Nick Fuentes out of the gates, what does he think of this moment we're in? Because we have Susie Wiles in this TV interview, his Fanny Fair interview, and she said similar things in the TV interview. So I tend to think it's accurate. Like shots Elon Musk with him taking ketamine to relax and all these other statements. And she looks like she doesn't understand she's on TV. And then they take from that, well, is this the end of the Trump era? Well, I don't want to be the end right now, but we should think about what comes after. So there's a lot there.

06:43 This is an administration in crisis. And we're not saying that to join the Democrats and create a crisis. We're in a crisis. You called the crisis beforehand, and so I want to get into it. And then we've got All these other issues that we'll get into you with on Islam and what's the main threat to America and long term what comes after Trump. Nick Fuentes, Nick J. Fuentes on Rumble, follow him on X as well. Nick, great to have you here with us today. And I know you've got your topics as well, I want to get into, but first off, what is the state of the union right now? What does Trump need to do tonight versus what are you predicting us?

07:23 Well, I think the state of the union is very bad right now. When you look at what was promised in 2024, it was supposed to be a golden age, no new wars, close the border, all this sort of stuff. And I think everybody realizes at this point that that has not happened. And it doesn't even seem that the administration is trying very hard. And what's sad about it is it seems that the administration doesn't even know where to go after this. As you said, it is an objective fact. It's not subjective opinion. It's not blackpilling. The administration has its lowest approval since Trump got back into office. I think it's down to 39%.

08:01 That's one of the lowest numbers we've had since the first term. And you see that the administration seems to not really know how to bounce back. And we talked about it shortly after the off year election back in November. Trump administration is totally fumbling from one thing after the next, flopping around with the Epstein files. Then you had the Marjorie Taylor Greene leaving Congress. Now you have this post about Rob Reiner, who was brutally murdered at his home in Hollywood. And these are all things that not only are they not winning back the whole country, let's say like the middle or the coalition that propelled Trump into office in 24, but it's even losing Trump's most

08:42 Viral supporters his biggest and and loudest supporters people like Marjorie Green Why is she not on the team people that wanted transparency on Epstein files? Why are they not on the coalition and you know stuff like that post on true social? I don't know anybody that likes that. I don't know anybody that thinks that's acceptable so Powerful globalists like Hillary saying you'll be in prison but I But it's an obvious no brainer. I put a video out saying I was sad he was dead because I generally was even though I didn't like Rob Reiner and he'd gotten me deplatformed and celebrated and been involved with Brennan doing it. I said he was still a talented guy. I'm sorry he's dead. But even from a cynical view, say something nice about a man and woman brutally murdered by their son, like it's the dumbest move. So you have to ask about a 79 year old Trump. I don't think it's dementia. I don't think he's, you know,

09:30 But regardless, he's making very bad decisions. I mean, that is just as a microcosm. What a crazy PR decision. Well, he's floundering. He's floundering. And I think like we talked about last time, sadly, it seems like he is fully engaged the old playbook, which is that he's in trouble. He knows he's in trouble. The approval ratings are down. His base seems to be leaving him a little bit. And whenever that happens, he always doubles down on mean tweets. let's say, as a category. Not necessarily a mean post on Twitter, although that is how it is expressed and how it manifests. But he doubles down on cruelty, culture war, laying into his enemies, ranting on television. And that used to be a playbook that worked, I think, back in the first administration or even in that first election in 2016. But now it seems like he sort of lost his touch. It's kind of tone deaf. Whereas at one time he was bringing that fight against, like you said, the globalists,

10:25 somebody like Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. Who's he attacking now? Now it's anybody that wanted Epstein files. Now it's Marjorie Greene, who is one of his people, who was like one of the first MAGA congressmen that rolled that wave. She made that point yesterday. It's on record. She's right. He has all these Republicans in that vote against him, but they kiss his ass. And then she votes 98% of the time with him, but warns him. And then he turns on her and calls her a traitor. That is so stupid. And it hurt him bad in the polls. Like that's dumb. Exactly, and that's what's sad is you have these policy failures and I agree with you in many ways. It's a long four years. A lot of this stuff is complicated. Trump is trying and you're right. It's not all bad. There are some things that are good that are going on. And I think that people might have patience for him to follow through.

11:16 But the problem is he's reacting badly to the poll numbers and it's making everything worse. It's compounding the failure. So you have a first year which is pretty lackluster and disappointing, people get upset. In order to make people happy, he starts lashing out wildly, floundering with really no strategy. And if there is not a very good one, and now people are accelerating their exit from the party. And so the question is, does Trump have the power inside of himself to make himself new again. Can he renew? Can he get on a solid footing? Or is this just going to be like a miserable decline? He was good the first six months during the campaign last year.

11:58 year and a half, he was really good at not being the reactionary, manipulated Trump. Now he's worse than ever. Jimmy Kimmel had no viewers. He talks about him, boosts his ratings, empowers him. What is Suze Walls doing giving corporate media interviews to Vanity Fair? It's like they just don't get it. And so the old Trump that had problems but woke up, got better, now it's back to the old Trump but worse. Yes, and that was a big part of my prediction last year as I said he just hasn't learned his lesson because the first administration, let's be honest, it's not what anybody really wanted. He didn't really deliver the victory. And what I wanted to see in 24 is okay, you've had a go at it. You've been there for four years. You made your connections. Are you now going to be able to go in and govern better, govern effectively? And I remember during the campaign, I saw a lot of things that suggested no, it's the same old Trump. And actually maybe he's probably worse.

12:52 So it has been a big disappointment and I think it's even more disappointing because there's such a mandate. There's such an opportunity right now and you hate to speak about it in these ways, but Charlie Kirk being assassinated, that was actually a political opportunity to get things done, to tackle the left, which is trying to kill and persecute our side. And so to not only not deliver on this historic mandate when you win the election, but also then to pass up opportunities. And again, you hate to speak about it in those terms, but this is politics crises. No, but let me give you an example. Like six, seven days after they bring up Charlie, and people behind the scenes said Trump was very upset, all of us. And they go to Trump and say, what about Charlie? And he goes, never mind, look at the ballroom. And it was just like,

11:58 year and a half, he was really good at not being the reactionary, manipulated Trump. Now he's worse than ever. Jimmy Kimmel had no viewers. He talks about him, boosts his ratings, empowers him. What is Suze Walls doing giving corporate media interviews to Vanity Fair? It's like they just don't get it. And so the old Trump that had problems but woke up, got better, now it's back to the old Trump but worse. Yes, and that was a big part of my prediction last year as I said he just hasn't learned his lesson because the first administration, let's be honest, it's not what anybody really wanted. He didn't really deliver the victory. And what I wanted to see in 24 is okay, you've had a go at it. You've been there for four years. You made your connections. Are you now going to be able to go in and govern better, govern effectively? And I remember during the campaign, I saw a lot of things that suggested no, it's the same old Trump. And actually maybe he's probably worse.

12:52 So it has been a big disappointment and I think it's even more disappointing because there's such a mandate. There's such an opportunity right now and you hate to speak about it in these ways, but Charlie Kirk being assassinated, that was actually a political opportunity to get things done, to tackle the left, which is trying to kill and persecute our side. And so to not only not deliver on this historic mandate when you win the election, but also then to pass up opportunities. And again, you hate to speak about it in those terms, but this is politics crises. No, but let me give you an example. Like six, seven days after they bring up Charlie, and people behind the scenes said Trump was very upset, all of us. And they go to Trump and say, what about Charlie? And he goes, never mind, look at the ballroom. And it was just like,

13:41 I don't know how to describe it. It's like, it's true. We're under attack. The left saying kill us. He should make a bigger issue out of that. Exactly. He suddenly went from making a lot better moves during the campaign and the first three or four months to running out of Elon doing all this Susie Wiles attacking Elon. Oh, he's a ketamine head. I mean, it's just, it's bad. It is bad and it seems like that whole approach just failed because I like the Doge approach. I like the Elon Musk approach. I liked how they talked about operating, which is we're gonna move quickly. He had the highest ratings ever during that and that made the Republican establishment scared and somehow they manipulated him to kick him out. And then the people wanna cheerlead Trump. You're a traitor, you're a freelon. I'm like, no, idiots. Elon is a freaking genius. We need him in there and it's popular, you dumbasses.

14:30 Yeah, I think people loved it. People like the idea of bringing that energy to the White House and actually disrupting. That's the whole point is to drain the swamp, get rid of the deep state, actually shake things up. And you're right, I think that got too popular. Maybe too many people liked it or you know, Elon wasn't playing the patronage system. He was going in there and firing people, people that were protected or felt like they were protected. And so they lashed out and said, no, no, you don't understand. That's not how things work around here. In DC, everybody needs to get their back scratched. Everybody needs to get paid or whatever. And now we are back to that kind of sclerotic tempo that we had in the first term. And I think it'll be met with similar results. It's like we've been talking about midterms are next year.

15:12 we almost certainly lose the House. We might even lose it earlier than that, sadly, between now and New Year's Eve or in January. And then what do you do? Does it get better after we lose the House? I think it gets worse. So unfortunately- By the way, some voters won't get that. If you have enough Republicans quit or leave like MTG, they're already on the other one or two. They don't vote. They've already lost the House technically. Exactly, because it's a four vote majority as of 24. They've had a number of people withdraw. And this is typically when people announce their retirement is during the holiday season on the off year. And so you're right if they lose a few more seats, then they lose the majority and then they can't govern even earlier, even before 26. And you know,

15:56 That's not really a glowing endorsement. This is supposed to be the golden age and people are literally headed for the exits before the midterms even happen, before you even lose the election. So it's really sad. have said, oh, MTG's not getting real threats. It's on record she has. I get threats. God tried to come and kill you earlier this year. And they're like, oh, she's making it up. No, I talked to her on the phone. And the police reports are there. They are under total assault right now. And she's literally, she's like, I'm not running for president. I'm done. She's like, I'm a successful businesswoman. I did my tour. She's done. And people love MTG. I mean, that hurt Trump again. He probably lost three, four points doing that to her. Again, it's idiotic. And I'll say it, Trump, you're destroying yourself. We need you to succeed, God almighty.

16:49 It's really sad about Marjorie Greene and you know what? People understand how she feels because we've all been on this train for 10 years. We've all been on this ride and we've all sacrificed a lot. The threats are real, the lawfare is real, the person, everything that has happened to you, to me, Marjorie, Tim Pool, all these people that have been under the gun, We've been fighting this battle for a very long time. And for Trump to get this opportunity, he finally has ultimate power, let's say, House, Senate, White House, popular vote, Supreme Court. He really has an opportunity to move, and he's just blowing it. And on top of it, then going in and attacking the people that helped propel him into the office for

17:29 demanding the Epstein files for not wanting regime change in Iran. You know, the basic promises. And so you look at someone like Marjorie Greene, she goes, well, you know what, then I'm out. I don't need to have my kids threatened. I don't need to have my family threatened to die if we're all in this battle for a leader who's not really leading from the front. She goes, I don't need this, I'm out. And you sort of understand it. Now, I think that you really can't give up. I mean, and I think you and I are on the same page. You have to fight it through to the finish. I don't know that we'd be doing anything other than this. I was about to say, that's the paradox. We talked about the phone a few days ago. This isn't perfect, it's got problems, but the alternative, what do the Democrats do if they get back in? I mean, we gotta talk about that.

18:10 There's got to be a way to slap Trump around. Here's the question, can he be reproved? Can we turn this around? Honest answer, no, I don't think so. I feel like this is deja vu all over again. And I remember covering the first term until 2020 and saying, here's how Trump can still do it. We still have one year to do section 230 or close the border, whatever. I remember right up until the very end saying, here's how we could still get it together. And I think that it's him, he is the problem. I think that He's not strategic, he doesn't have the follow through, his personality is toxic. I mean, we could cope and we can say, well, if we just push really hard on Twitter, if we just make some calls. Yeah, I mean, we could put pressure on the administration. That's really all we can do and we have to do what we can.

18:59 But what are the realistic chances we get Trump to snap out of it? He's an 80 year old man. I think when you're 80 years old, you're kind of out of reinvention. I don't see a lot of, people don't tend to change. They certainly don't change their ways at 80 years old. And especially when they're the king of America and no one can tell them no. So sadly, I think we're kind of just stuck with this and we have to just try to- Yeah, I think that's exactly what he's doing, which is just straight out of House of Cards. I mean, it's like that's a cynical play. So let's talk about what a flailing Trump's gonna do and the dangers of it. So I think a flailing Trump, this is the war, and there's been some sources that have said that he will announce a war with Venezuela tonight.

19:44 This is just a classic. This is what you do. You get in trouble, you start what is considered to be a short-term, easy intervention, like George Bush in Desert Storm or George Bush in Panama for that matter. You get an easy win, it's a slam dunk, and that helps you in the midterm. So I think he does something like that. And afterward, I don't know where he goes from here. I think he's just getting more and more bitter and angry. I think they might try. I think what they should do is a big push on their domestic agenda. I think they should try to use budget reconciliation and get through. But the polls show great in what we want, even if he's doing domestic stuff, which he is, we need to hear about that more. Exactly.

20:26 Yes, and do what we elected you to do. Get a bill together that closes the border. It's law and order. We have to stop the crime in the cities. And Irina Zarutska law, something like that. Do something about election fraud, paper ballots. I don't know, get a domestic agenda together. Use budget reconciliation to the extent that you can, or one of these other deadlines, defense authorization, whatever. And get some legislation passed. At the end of the day, Trump has only passed five bills in his first year. bills in the whole Congress. So there's just not a lot of governing that's happening. There's not a lot of policy. So if I'm Trump, I would say put down the phone, stop posting about Somalians and about Rob Reiner and all this other stuff.

21:09 and actually govern, pass some executive orders, pass some legislation, actually create some policy. And then, like you said, make the case, talk about it, sell it to the American people, but they just have nothing to run on. You're going into the midterms with literally nothing to run on. I can't think of a single tangible victory, a policy-related victory, arguably other than closing the border. But that should have been a given. I mean, that should have been done a long time ago. So If I'm Trump, that's what I'm gonna do. What do you make of Wiles trying to put him back on the campaign trail? I think that's a really bad idea. It'll exhaust him, divert him more. We want action, we want policy, we want indictments. Real indictments, that makes us win. What do you really think about Susie Wiles?

21:54 I never liked her. I never liked her and I don't think that her head is in the same place as Trump. I know a lot of people say she's not really the problem. Well, she's a lobbyist. She's a lobbyist from Florida, from this Ballard firm. She's in bed with all these other governments and Florida is a swamp. I mean, it's a literal and figurative swamp. And by the way, she brought all these people in. These are all Florida people. Mike Waltz, who was fired for being in bed with Israel, he's a Florida pal. Bondi, exactly right. Rubio, who is pushing this war in Venezuela and then Cuba and then Nicaragua. These are all Florida people. Ratcliffe, I believe she brought in as well. I don't know that he's from Florida, but she- But just to be clear, you and I contextually, historically under Thomas Jefferson, gunboat diplomacy, get hemispheric power. Technically Trump can do this, but they're gonna set him up a new Vietnam, the CIA, they've already tried it, and they're doing it as a diversion. So that's why I'm saying actually they shouldn't do it.

22:54 Well, and not only that, but it is so much more ambitious than people realize. This is like a reverse domino theory where Rubio is like this guy, this is his presidential campaign material. He wants to be the guy that toppled Venezuela and then toppled Cuba and then toppled Nicaragua. As a Cuban American, his dream is like- And Mexico. Right, the left wing regime in Mexico, maybe even Lula while we're at it in Brazil. His dream is to like defeat communism and leftism in the Caribbean and Latin America. And I would support that if it could be done, but I've looked at the angles and it's like you're talking about multiple Vietnams here. And then the Russians are sneaking around. They may, the word is just like Cuba in 61 have nukes there.

23:38 Well, it's a jungle. It's a jungle. Venezuela's 30 million people, many cities. It's a jungle. Mexico's 130 million people. The Mexican government doesn't even have control over the country. Cuba's got special forces. So I don't know that the American public is really ready to buy into this. I don't even know what you would call this. Like you said, it's multiple Vietnams in the Caribbean. It's a much greater commitment than people actually are thinking about. And I don't know who voted for that. I think the whole pitch was no. I'm gonna say it's a reverse red dawn. It's not Latin America with the Russians invading, this is invading them. And again, if Trump, I'd love to fix that if we had the CIA under control, but they're gonna set him up for sure. I mean, I've already heard from sources of the Pentagon, the CIA is already leaking the attack plans to Nicolas Maduro. So we're walking into a trap. And people get confused by us cuz we're being academic saying we wish this was gone, but could it be done?

24:33 Well, that's the question. If you could wave a magic wand and have the entire Western Hemisphere align with Washington, of course, that would be in our best interest. And I would even support engagement with these countries to that end. But the question is, is regime change the way to go? Are you actually going to get the kind of order that you want or are you going to get guerrilla warfare with drug cartels and Indians shooting at you from the jungle? Are you going to get narco-terrorism? Are you going to get something that is a lot more far-reaching than what you bargained for? And the record of history is that these kinds of coups and regime change, it doesn't actually work most of the time. And that's the key.

25:12 Is that these groups only have the drugs and things they're doing. There's no government, so you can't even come in and take them over. They're gonna have to continue and fight you because it's all they have. Exactly, what is the parallel structure? Okay, you remove Maduro, now who's gonna rule Venezuela? We're gonna be setting up another nation building thing like we did in Iraq. Just not a good idea and it'll fail, you know, should have kept their promises. Well, yeah, I was on the fence but I had my concerns that Flynn came on two weeks ago and he said, don't do it, it's a setup. Nick Fuentes is on fire. We're gonna come right back. We have so many huge other topics to cover and I have things I disagree with him on. Stay with us. Ladies and gentlemen, Nitric Boost, the all-time fan favorite is now back in stock at Infowarsstore.com. You've looked at our formula. You like it? I did and I do, yes. Well, nitric oxide is a key. It's made by our own bodies again. It's made by L-citrulline and L-arginine, the amino acids. Ladies and gentlemen, Dr. Judy Mikovits, without me even knowing she'd gotten it and used it,

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27:57 And I was jumping in a lot cuz what he was saying, I totally agree with. But I wanna just give you ten minutes of me shutting up here to finish up on Venezuela. What you think Trump should say at this address tonight versus what you think he's gonna say. It's not even a prediction, but what you predict or your dead reckoning. And then I wanna move into what will it look like if Trump fails? And what do you think we should expect? And then how do we move on from Trump if we're entering the post-Trump era if this continues? And what is your advice to the American people, the people of the world? Then I want to look at the rise of Islam. I want to look at where Israel's going and so much more with Nick J. Fuentes. Nick, please continue. Yeah, so picking up on Venezuela, we have this address tonight. I think, like you said, it's at 8 o'clock Central. And I don't know exactly what he's going to say. Like you said, they've been pretty tight-lipped about it. I saw on Judge Napolitano, Tucker was just a guest on that show this morning. And he said he was told by a member of Congress

28:59 It's gonna be a declaration of war. And at the minimum, that's gonna be a part of the address and we're going to war with Venezuela. And that would track because of course this has been escalating over the past few weeks. Most recent development is that Trump has effectively declared a blockade of Venezuela or at least an oil blockade. He said over the weekend that the United States will interdict all oil shipments that are leaving Venezuela. And most of those are going to China, about 80% of Venezuela's crude is going to China. And this follows up from the seizure of the oil tanker last week. So he seized an oil tanker, presumably we're going to take the oil. This weekend he said that actually all of the oil exports will be shut down and that effectively destroys Venezuela's economy. And as we talked about with Iran, other conflicts, this is that maximum pressure strategy and this is just the latest escalation. So it would be fitting if tonight there was some declaration of

29:56 ground strikes, let's say. This is something they've been talking about for a long time. They've assembled this armada, this giant naval force. It's a carrier strike group. I think it's 10 warships in total, 10,000 troops, F-35 squadrons. They have been stationing in Trinidad and Tobago and Puerto Rico off the coast. And they've been threatening for a long time that all of these naval strikes, I think there's been about 25 maritime strikes against these little drug boats, killed nearly 100 people. They've been saying for a long time that eventually that will progress into targeted airstrikes on the ground at military facilities, airports, where there's drug trafficking happening. And they're actually gonna bomb Venezuela's territory.

30:40 Maduro's been preparing for that. They've been shutting down highways. They have been getting ready. So it seems that that would be logical that Trump would announce there would be some major action tonight. That being said, you sort of alluded to this earlier. You said it could just be an hour of Trump bragging about his accomplishments. And I think it's totally possible that it could also just be a load of crap. Because how many fake outs have there been this year where Trump says, I have an Oval Office address, I'm addressing the public from the White House at noon tomorrow. And he gets up and it's like, we have the greatest economy, the stock market is back, inflation isn't real, affordability is not real.

31:20 So I'm sort of 50-50. 50% chance it could be a load of crap and it's just a lot of self-aggrandizement. 50% chance it could be a declaration of war on Venezuela. And then how it progresses, if I had to guess, I would think that this is just ratcheting up the maximum pressure. And maybe this is just a shot in the dark. I don't know that he's announcing a swift operation to capture Maduro or invade the country. I don't think there will even be an invasion, strictly speaking. They have about 10,000 personnel stationed off the coast. It could be the case that they have put together a larger force covertly somewhere else.

32:02 That's not enough people to invade Venezuela. You had 20,000 invade Panama, and that's a country that's a fraction of the size, fraction of the population, smaller military. So I don't think you're gonna get a full-fledged invasion with that size of a force. I think what you might get is a tightening of the noose, and they're gonna choke Venezuela off more. So they have the blockade. Now if they start initiating ground strikes, maybe there's some other covert actions by the CIA, which they announced earlier in the year would be operating in the country. Maybe they're looking at something more limited just to increase the pressure slightly more.

32:40 And maybe that's the play. Now, will that succeed? I guess it depends largely on how they carry this out and how competent the military is. I don't have very high hopes for it. I don't think that the military is really prepared for something like this. It came together very quickly. Military has not been extremely effective in the past so many years. They're really good at dropping bombs from aircraft like they did against ISIS and like they did against Iran. But a ground operation, I feel like we haven't seen anything like that in a very long time. So the odds of success I don't know that it's particularly high. And I don't know that that's even something the American public is looking for. Like we talked about in the previous segment, as always, this is the appeal to the voters before the midterms. If you're struggling on your domestic agenda, if you're flailing because of a domestic scandal, you always go for a quick and easy war. Like we talked about with George Bush in Persian Gulf or in Panama where they did regime change.

33:43 or even in Grenada with Reagan. You always go for a quick and easy layup, makes Americans feel confident. I don't know that that will even have the same effect. First of all, we don't know that it will be entirely successful or on what timeline or if there will be any kinds of complications. Second, Secondly, is this really what the people voted for? I think the people voted for lower prices. People voted actually to end wars, not start new ones. I don't know that regime change was really part of the mix. I think actually we want the opposite. People voted for an end to free trade, something like tariffs or a more protectionist agenda. And we're just not succeeding on any of those fronts.

34:24 So I don't know how you bring that to Republican or Democrat voters as some sort of huge victory in 2026, especially when almost everything else is looking really bad. The deportations aren't happening. As we've talked about, economy is not where it needs to be. Many people are predicting potentially an imminent recession, a housing bust, the AI bubble might burst, have a lot of red flags and early warning indicators in the economy. So how much is that even going to move the needle? I'm skeptical that that's gonna have a big impact. So this is the playbook. I think that if Trump really wanted to

35:04 have any kind of recovery before the midterm elections or at all. I think you have to refocus on the domestic agenda. That is what people want to see solved. You got to get those deportation numbers up. You got to build a border wall. You got to end the war in Ukraine somehow, some way. You have to end the war in Gaza. It looks like even that is coming apart. You need to fix the economy. You need to do something domestically. Get a super bill together. Get an use budget reconciliation, which they have for the fiscal year 2026. Use national defense authorization or whatever you need to do. Use one of those measures to get a super bill passed. Get Republicans and Democrats together and just pass something. Make life better for Americans. But I fear, and this is something you pointed out too, not only will that not happen, it may actually even get worse. Because as you said,

35:59 According to Susie Wiles in an interview this weekend, she's gonna have Trump campaigning in 26 like he was in 24. And a lot of people don't think about this, but the President of the United States, like anybody, only has so many hours in the day. And so if we're going to engage in this huge campaign in 26, Trump is gonna be flying around doing rallies The guy's 80 years old. You can't be doing four rallies in a day like you were doing in 2020. And if you do, you're not going to have time and energy for literally anything else. And that's perfect for the deep state to come in and sneak stuff past him. I noticed Wiles three days ago in a TV interview says he doesn't know it yet, but he's gonna be back on the campaign trail. Then I see him yesterday. Well, I just heard I'm gonna be on the campaign trail. He's literally admitting that she's directing him.

36:48 Which is so gross. The whole point of Trump is that he's supposed to be the boss. Who is Suzy Wiles? Nobody elected her. She's a lobbyist from Florida. And you're right, he goes, yeah, well, I guess I'm gonna be campaigning. She's the boss. And you make a good point. If Trump is out there on the campaign trail, first of all, he's already falling asleep in every meeting. And which is, look, the guy's an old man. I think everybody would understand that. But now you can't be doing both of those things. You can't walk and chew gum at the same time then. If he's gonna be running around the country, if Suze Wilde's gonna be running him ragged, not only can he not focus on the agenda,

37:26 But you're right, this is where he loses control of the White House. Which is always the concern that the cabinet members, that the lobbyists, that the special interests, when Trump is out of the house, when daddy's not home, other people are gonna go in the White House and they're gonna be manipulating personnel. They're gonna be manipulating policy. And so let's say, for example, Netanyahu is pushing Trump really hard on a war with Iran. And Trump, to his credit, put his foot down and said no for many months. And even when they wanted him to intervene in June, it was very limited. I'm not happy that he bombed Iran, but it could have been a lot worse. And that is just objectively true.

38:04 And that's because Trump is in the driver's seat and he's got some people that are backing him up. If he's out there falling asleep on the campaign trail in Georgia or Pennsylvania or whatever, they're gonna get stuff past the goalie. They're gonna get things through because he's not gonna be fully in control. And do you trust- And so they'll say, sir, we've got to do this. And yeah, it helps a little but nothing compared to actual developments and things. And we know that they're always trying to hide things from him. This is like we saw in the first administration. So I'm gonna say it right now. Trump, yeah, okay, go for Mike Lindell for governor of Minnesota, stuff like that. Pick and choose a few. But maybe do three or four events a month. But what we really want is action

38:54 and you addressing American people, and you bringing out these issues. We'll give your advice President Trump, this is such an obvious trap. You see her power trip in the interview. I know you've seen it and people haven't, we should play, we dig it up. She's like, well, they don't know it yet, he doesn't know it yet, but he's going back on the campaign trail. And Trump's like, well, I guess it's important, I guess I'm told I'm going. Again, this is outrageous. No, that is not the interest of his time. It's great to have crowds out there, it's fun, all that. No, we need him engaged. We need him not worried about what Jimmy Kimmel is saying with no ratings or what Vanity Fair is saying. But again, it's nothing against all these 79-year-old people like Trump and Wiles. They still think ABC News is important. They don't understand that you look at the ratings and go, ABC Nightly News, 2 million viewers. Nick Fuentes' Nightly Show, 20 million viewers. We went on Elon Musk's show, 1 billion people tuned in. It got picked up everywhere.

39:50 And then Trump only went on one time. I was like, it's total idiocy, but it's because they still think cable TV is king. That's a really good observation that a lot of people don't realize because it is like a boomer thing. Trump being from television world and being 80 years old, you're exactly right. He's actually still cares about what the New York Times writes about him. He actually still cares about what network television is reporting on and you're right. Television as a whole is not powerful anymore. It's all online, it's all digital. And at the minimum, that's where the young people are. That's where the coveted demographic is at 18 to 35 demographic. They're all getting their news on TikTok. They're all getting their news on X. They're all getting their news on YouTube, on the Internet. And you're right, they're still getting attacked by like 60 Minutes or like CBS News, ABC.

40:47 Those shows are only big when he goes on them. So the only time dinosaur media is big is when it's online. He doesn't understand that. No, and sadly, Charlie Kirk is the one that did understand that. Charlie Kirk, to his credit, delivered the young people for Trump in 24 because he was on TikTok, because he made a deal. And unlike the Republicans that sort of turned their noses up at it, he was there and fought the culture war among the young people. And that's the next generation. Trump was like, oh, no, I have to I have to go and interview with Barbara Walters or something. I have to go on 60 Minutes, and I care about what the New York Times says. He still deeply cares about the mainstream media and Hollywood. He wants to be their champion. And so if I'm him, I say you gotta go hard and fast. There is urgency. You have to be swift. You have to outmaneuver and have a faster tempo than the deep state. And you need to focus on the things that are gonna win the voters back.

41:45 specifically the young people. And that's things like affordability, it's crime, it's ending the wars. And if you're out there running this campaign, it's unfortunately the prophecy that I gave last year, which is you actually don't have the full four years. You're going to have realistically about Maybe 15, 18 months, and then they're gonna start campaigning for the midterms. They're gonna be so busy, then they're gonna lose, and then everyone's gonna be campaigning for 2028. And half the cabinet will be in that position, then you're in 28. And it's like, So you never actually get a chance to govern. And this is my problem. It's like when we vote every year, are we going to get four years of Trump pushing hard, trying to get victories? Are we going to get like three months of executive orders and then like three years and nine months of crap where they're like campaigning and trying to make everybody happy and they're listening to the donors and they're just kind of sitting on their hands, stalling.

42:41 calling, running out the clock, because that is exactly what happened in the first term. And sadly, like I said, it's deja vu all over again. So I think that you're right, Trump should maybe pick a few critical races where he can make a difference. And those are the races that'll make a difference for him. He should maybe do one event per week, keep his schedule light, and he should really overclock the White House like they did in the first three months. I don't know what happened. I don't know what changed. We had the globalist off balance, highest approval rating ever magic. And then they convinced me to get rid of Elon. So the second hour is coming up and you've got other topics you want to hit, but just briefly, what future do you see though? If Trump messes this up and then the Democrats don't just win the midterms and turn it all around about impeachment. What happens in, in 2028 when they get back in? Cause they've said they're coming after everybody.

43:36 If the Democrats win, it's just over. And this is the thing about the pendulum swinging back and forth. We elected Trump the first time and he failed. He failed, he totally crapped the bed. Biden gets in and what is the first thing Biden did after that? J6ed, arrest everybody. We're gonna hire 1,000 FBI agents, 1,000 judges. We're gonna cover, what did they say? They said it was gonna be shock and awe against the E celebrities, against the influencers, against the Trump lieutenants, and they crushed everybody. Rudy Giuliani and you and me and everybody, they crushed everybody. And then they went in with the COVID stimulus, and they only gave it to their allies, women and non-white people. They said white men need not apply for the COVID stimulus. And then they came in with the vaccine.

44:24 So we're gonna get a redux of that. And just like how Trump has escalated, the Democrats will escalate. When they get back in, it's gonna make the first Biden term look like a joke. When Kamala Harris or Gavin Newsom or whoever wins, they are coming after us so hard. And here's the difference. They know how to use the government. We do not. Their allies run Washington. Washington is like 95% Democrat. All the career political people, all the lifers, they're all liberal Democrats. They're all gay. They're all women. They're all like, you know, PMC types, college educated.

45:02 When they get back in power, unlike the Trump administration, they are going to move like a hot knife through butter when they go after us, just as they did under Biden. And so it's going to be a full war on guns. It's going to be a full war on free speech, on social media. It's going to be a full war on the radical right. I imagine they're going to throw open the border to some extent. How much repair are they gonna do after Trump has sent all the refugees back and changed immigration law? They're gonna say, well, we're open for business all over again. So I think that it's gonna be fire and fury against the right wing and especially against Trump.

45:40 And this time he's not gonna pardon anybody just like last time. Maybe he'll pardon himself preemptively, he'll pardon his people, he'll get a golden parachute. The rest of us, we are screwed. And this is why I said on Tucker and on other shows, you can't take the fight to the left and not finish it. When you go at the king, you can't miss because if you miss, the king cuts your head off. And that's obvious. You go for the king, you can't miss because if you fail, you stumble. They call down the guards and you get executed. Your whole family gets executed. They burn down your village. And that's really what Trump has done now for the second time. He's going for the seat of power, going for the permanent bureaucracy, going for the left, whatever you want to call it, really hard. And he's attacking them so viciously on social media, talking all this trash.

46:30 And in the end, all he does is piss them off. All he does is make them angry, such that when they inevitably get back in power, they're going to attack us with a vengeance. And he's doing it all over again. And by the way- So what's the way out of this? We have to win. And we just have to win. There's no substitute for victory. Trump has to turn it around. And if he can't, then we need somebody in 2028. Everybody is ready to coronate Vance. Everybody is ready to cry. And I know you like him and other people like him. But everybody's saying like, oh, well, Vance is gonna be the next president. It's not a negotiation.

47:07 We need somebody in 28 who's gonna carry the mantle of Trumpism, win and finish it. Like Caesar like, the Republic is over, this is the American empire, Democrats- Sure, people don't seem to get it, they go wait, they supported Trump 10 years ago and up until like five years ago, but now he's not, so how is he wants Trump to succeed? You want him policy-wide to succeed, but you didn't support him. draw attention to what you thought were the problems so that you would hope he would succeed. If I'm putting words in your mouth, correct me. And so that's kind of how I see this. But we have to have an ultimate urgency right now. One year into this, folks, I agree with what Nick's saying, regardless to look at how much danger we're in. And if Trump doesn't succeed, J.D. Vance, it doesn't matter how good a candidate he is or what a nice guy he is. They're just gonna engage in election fraud and removing.

48:00 Yep, and they did it in 2020 and they're not having done anything to fix it. And here's another thing. The next president will preside over the 2030 census. Whenever the next president gets in, you're gonna have a census in 2030. And for people that don't know what that means, you don't just count up all the people, you then also apportion the congressional seats, the electoral votes. So whoever the next president is gonna be is gonna be extremely powerful because then they're gonna preside over that. Right now, they're battling this out in Texas and California, this redistricting halfway through the decade. whoever is president is gonna get another shot at that in 2030. And then they'll determine for the following five or ten years, how many seats there are, how many electoral votes there are. So it does really come down to 28 and somebody needs to get in who's extremely bold and takes risks. And urgency is the word. We just don't have time for like an incremental approach. And people are just negotiating with themselves saying, well, that's not practical, that's not realistic.

49:01 We have to have reasonable expectations, no. I have unreasonable expectations. I'm unreasonable and we want more. The base, America First, InfoWars, MAGA, like we want more than what we're getting. Look how far the left's gone demanding our sons and daughters be brainwashed for transgenderism and leftist brainwashing. They demanded all this insane stuff. People gave it to them. We're just demanding common sense, liberty and freedom, but we have to get aggressive. So I think it does go to the average populist, American first person, conservative needs to realize this is existential. What should they be doing? I think people should be getting involved. I'm a huge believer in we need a professional class. We need people that have gone to college. We need people that have professional jobs. And we need people to get involved in the party. We need people to run for office. Isn't it such a sad state that you look at the House of Representatives and the Senate, and it appears basically untouched

49:57 by the Trump revolution. Trump won in 2016, it is now 2026 in a couple of weeks. You don't have literally one congressman that is MAGA. You don't have one senator that is MAGA because everyone that did exist is now gone. Matt Gaetz, Madison Cawthorn, Marjorie Greene, they're all gone. Lindsey Graham is gonna have another term. John Thune is gonna be the majority leader. Kevin McCarthy, Mike Johnson, these have been the leadership in the House. You don't even have one. You have 435 members and you don't even have one MAGA Republican. So I really believe there's been a failure on the part of the America First base to get organized.

50:38 There's a lot of talk about doing that, think tanks and candidates and all this stuff, and it just never materialized. And so who inherits the Republican Party after Trump leaves? Well, it's gonna be the usual suspects. Who's gonna run? I mean, J.D. Vance, of course, Marco Rubio, who ran the first time. What are gonna be the big think tanks? Heritage Foundation, Club for Growth, Chamber of Commerce. This is still where the money is coming from. I think that for people that are animated by this, they gotta get involved in politics. Young people gotta get-. We're basically Rome in like 406. And people ask, Rome still all the power, the military, but they had these elites that were corrupt, couldn't face a problem, brought in too many illegals, all of it. And then they just couldn't organize at the end because it was just business as usual and Rome fell in 410. I mean, I think we are

51:35 I mean, I think 2028 is the number. Each election just gets more important here on after, but we're basically already dead if there isn't a sense of urgency. And that's why I get invited to Mar-a-Lago in the White House. I'm not trying to act cool. It's just I'm like, okay, what's the thing? I'm in a dinner with 20 people and Trump. I'm like, nah, I'm not going. I don't even, it's like, I don't wanna sit there at my own funeral. I'm on the Titanic and the iceberg's five miles out. I'm like, can we change course? You can't, just the captain's gonna tell you how great you are. eat some caviar and I'm like, I don't want to eat caviar. I want him to get control of the wheel and avoid that iceberg. We'll be right back in two minutes with Nick Fuentes, hour number four, straight ahead. They're having a state auction. Now they're saying middle of January. If it's a fair auction, the good guys will buy it and the forwards will survive. If not, it's the auction's network. Regardless, we merge the two, you know, if it does survive. But we aren't under this bankruptcy able to get any real product that's been authorized by now the state receiver.

56:12 All right, there's so much to hit. We're going to get into the Islamic jihad that's been declared, how big a threat it is, is it just a diversion from Israel? We're going to get into Candace Owens, who I like as a person, but I was forced to go investigate the stuff she was saying and doing, and I just didn't have to bring it to you. And Nick's got some stuff to talk about. But he wanted to briefly, I think it's really important, and if he has more, we'll go to the next segment, on Brown University in Rhode Island and what's going on there. I don't know what the cover up is, but clearly a cover up is going on. Nick Fuentes. Yeah, I saw this. Obviously, everybody saw this horrible mass shooting at Brown University. And of course, I haven't talked about it on my show too much because we really don't know what happened there. We don't know who the shooter is. We don't know their identity, motivation, anything like that.

57:02 But the one thing that I saw that I covered on my show is what is this response from the FBI? I see there's videos being uploaded of this FBI manhunt that's underway. And they got like a couple of dozen FBI agents out there literally kicking the snow around with their feet, with their hands in their pocket. And I saw that and we've talked a lot about the Trump administration and where we'd like it to improve and where they're falling short and so on. And I said on my show the other night, I think the biggest area where they're falling short is where's the competence? It reminds me of when they did that military parade back in June and they had people marching in the parade holding drones up over their head, not even flying them with the actual remote control, flying through the air electronically, but holding them up in their hand, walking down the street.

57:48 That was your big military demonstration, Department of War, America's back. Then you get this FBI, first they blow the Charlie Kirk investigation. Now you have this mass shooter who's just gotten away. School shooter just got away, went into some building, shot a bunch of people in the face, literally walks away. They go, okay, well rest assured, Kash Patel is on the case. The FBI is out there. We're gonna do some good old fashioned investigative reporting. or investigation, criminal investigation for that matter. They send out these FBI agents in the windbreakers, kicking the snow around. There's like 20 of them in a group and they're kind of like walking around, looking up at the air, looking down at the ground. You're like, this is the same FBI of J Edgar Hoover. This is the FBI of the United States of America. This is federal law enforcement. What is this? And

58:42 So I think that's one of the greater disappointments that it's just a clown show. And I'm just sitting here like, are other people watching the same movie? And what a joke the country has become, what a joke the federal government has become. At the same time, by the way, this is the same FBI that when we did the January 6th Capitol protests These are people showing up at people's houses at 6 AM, marching them out of their bedroom, throwing them in jail because they trespassed. You had some grandma, you had some MAGA mom who was posting on Facebook. And they had people being marched into solitary confinement over this, same FBI by the way. Now you have somebody, it's a school shooter, somebody shoots Charlie Kirk in the neck, they can't even find the person.

59:29 So I saw that, I don't know what to say about the shooting itself. We don't really have any information. That's sort of the point. We haven't gotten to the bottom of it. But I'm seeing these videos and I'm thinking that's really the story by itself. This is a country now where school shooters are getting away with it. in 30, 40 years, your neighbor might be a school shooter that got away with it. You've heard of like, my neighbor was a serial killer and I never knew. My neighbor was a gangster and I never knew that. Now it's gonna be my neighbor committed a school shooting, a mass murder, somehow got away with it. That's the country now.

1:00:06 So, but that's anarcho-tyranny. That's the state of the country when you have a state of tyranny for law abiding people, a state of tyranny or well in surveillance, police state totalitarianism for a Maga Mom, for a grandma in the Capitol. That's how real communism or totalitarianism works is good people are oppressed, bad people are turned loose because they work for the state and that's where we are. Right, so I'd like to see that reversed. I want to see tyranny for the criminals and illegals and globalists and lobbyists. And I want to see freedom and anarchy for law abiding people, taxpayers, patriots, Christians. But we're not getting it. So that's more of the same. I'd like to see somebody get caught in this thing. 60 second break, but we'll wait till you hear this. We'll be right back. Well, Nick's been talking about this for months so by that.

1:00:58 We understand Trump has constitutional right, it's in our hemisphere. Venezuela has manipulated things to go in. But that's academically, technically we've said don't go in because the CIA and others will set you up at a quagmire and Rubio wants Cuba, Mexico, all of it, Colombia. And that's a lot to bite off there cuz they're already failed states. So then we own it even if the leadership leaves. Well, Tucker Carlson say what you want about him. He's got incredible sources. I know I know Nick's had his run-ins with him You know, I love Tucker, but I think you can put it in the bank if he said it though Sometimes Trump may decide to pull back because of this it's like two weeks ago about

1:01:42 We're talking about Bongino resigning by Christmas from the sources of Serafin. That would prove to be incredible. But then Serafin's like, last night on the show, he goes, his special show, he goes, well, maybe he won't resign right away just to make us look wrong. Well, fine, if we stop a war by getting them to jump the gun, fine. So here's the story on Infowars.com. Breaking, Tucker Carlson says member of Congress told him Trump to announce war on Venezuela during tonight's presidential address. So, wow. And here he is on Judge Andrew Napolitano's show just about an hour ago. Is Trump going to start a war in Venezuela? He already did. I don't know. I don't know when this program airs, the one that we're on right now, the Thanksgiving. We're live now and then it'll be posted immediately. So right now... So my sense is... I don't know the answer.

1:02:39 I've certainly been on the phone a lot about it. I have no power. I'm a podcaster, but I'm very interested. And so here's what I know so far, which is that members of Congress were briefed yesterday that a war is coming and it'll be announced in the address to the nation tonight at nine o'clock by the president. Who knows, by the way, if that will actually happen. I don't know. And I never want to overstate what I know, which is pretty limited in general. But a member of Congress told me that this morning. So that's what I know. My opposition to this, and I'm sure if you oppose this, they'll be like, oh, you're a communist, which I'm not. My opposition to it comes from what I've learned from watching closely for the past 25 years since I've been assigned to cover all these stories, including in Iraq.

1:03:27 Afghanistan, like I've watched and there's not been a regime change effort that's benefited the United States or the world in 80 years that I'm aware of. Well, that's the big thing is the trillions and trillions per regime change. It's always a black hole. We already covered this earlier, but I mean, I think there is a good chance he'll definitely brag about we're blocking all their shivs. I think you're right. I think you'll announce we're at war with them, but then just use that as the pressure to have Maduro leave. Yeah, I agree. I don't think it's an invasion. I don't think it's going to be a shock and awe. I think it'll be ground strikes, more pressure, maybe a new policy. And you're right, it'll be some, perhaps an ultimatum to get Maduro to resign because I think that ultimately they don't really want to go to war there. I think they want to get Maduro out through pressure only. So I agree with you. I think that's where it's headed. But they don't have three aircraft carriers there for no reason.

1:04:21 Well, but do they have three? I think they just have the carrier strike group. But this is a classic Trump strategy. He did this in North Korea too. Back in 2017, they deployed actually two carrier strike groups to the Sea of Japan. and talked about fire and fury and my button is bigger and it works and we're gonna do things to you. This is brinksmanship. And I think that this is your typical gunboat diplomacy, which is you literally put a giant gunship off the coast of a country, you start blowing stuff up, and then you say, this is the United States of America, you have 24 hours to leave. So you're right, I mean, there's

1:05:01 There is a reason they have the warships there, and that is for a demonstration of force. It's a gesture which reinforces deterrence. Deterrence is really the foundation of everything. Wars are only fought because of miscalculations. And the point of doing a carrier strike group is to say, we have the assets, we're willing to use the assets. And if we do that, then you lose. There's no scenario where you win, it is over. So surrender or die. And that's where someone like Maduro in Venezuela says, all right, uncle, you can, you will. I guess I'll just take my deal and leave. So

1:05:38 I think that's really the play there. I still think that there's gonna be kinetic action. I think there's a good possibility of ground strikes. It will definitely escalate, but I don't think this is gonna be some sort of full scale. Absolutely, just to be clear, they had two aircraft carriers there. They pulled them out, put the Gerald Ford, the biggest and newest in, and they have five or six of the big amphibious Marine and Navy smaller carriers. So, but just technically, there's a lot of ships there. Yeah, it's the biggest force posture in the Caribbean ever, I think is what they said. It's more warships that have ever been deployed than that in the Southern Command, field of command than ever in the United States. So, and Trump has said that on True Social. So, I mean, you're certainly right. It's a massive force posture.

1:06:25 And it's definitely going to be used for something military. I just don't think it'll be a full scale ground invasion. That's just not enough assets, actually. I don't think they have enough personnel for something like that because the chain of command is dispersed. If they're going to do a kind of effects based operation, they're going to go for command and control. You're talking about invading multiple cities. You're talking about jungle terrain, huge population. You need more than 20,000 troops or they have 12,000. You'd need 20,000 administrators to take over Venezuela. It's the size of Texas. Exactly. Exactly, so that's not an invasion force, but I think there could be a possibility of kinetic strikes on the ground, even though there might not be an invasion. All right, shifting gears, I watch your show a lot. You mainly cover policy and issues, so do I. But the whole soap opera that's begun with

1:07:24 You would Tucker and then back and forth. That's kind of blown over Candace. So is the ongoing thing? I like Candace And just all the other stuff that's happening and it seems like everybody else does it now instead of cuz I don't think they have depth I don't mean her I mean some of the other talk shows to do it. There's one have a fight with somebody but I went and examined throughout since Kirk was killed on September 10 and So many of the claims, not of Candace, but I'm not trying to kiss her ass, when I talk about the claims, most of it's other people. About a guy shoots him under the arm or, oh, it's a camera gun. That's a bottle of water, you can see it. And then just on and on and on and now it turned into.

1:08:06 the French and the US military and the Israelis and the Egyptians and the, and she's like, I've got these planes and I've got the proof. And then multiple groups, you'd see it online, went and bought the data, even more data that's public, it meshes with it, anybody can duplicate it. And most of the time, she was saying these planes were here, it was actually overseas and they were another continent. So I was learning all this last week, finally forcing myself to do the deep dive on it. And when I learned days before people knew about it that they were going to meet in Nashville a couple days ago about this on Monday, I said, I bet Candace comes out and wants to be friendly now, kind of have the cake and eat it too here. Because I knew they were going there in a four and a half hour meeting, I don't know if it'll be that long, to say, here's all this information, the claims that

1:08:59 Just asking questions, but they're all stealing all the money. I'm not saying Eric did it, but boy, they all sure wanted him dead. And so my issue is that it's so destructive. And it became a huge sub-proper where I'm at the grocery store and I'm, you know, anywhere people are coming up asking me about it. And I'm like, I don't know. I know most of the stuff I looked at from other people saying stuff didn't turn out to be true. And I know now the last straw for me last week was Tyler Robinson in court with the trans flag tie, find that B roll. And he just,

1:09:36 You're watching him and he looks like Jeffrey Dahmer. And he's turning around, he's all proud of himself. He's laughing, the leftist lawyers love him. You had at least 10 people that said he's gonna be dead in the next few days. And so I did confirm Cash Patel said no investigation into that. So there is some type of cover up going, but I don't know of what. But the idea knowing the TPUSA people, a lot of them for a decade, I don't tell this operations work. You don't include all these people killing us. We heard, they killed him on the stage, the lapel mic, a pop up deal, a guy in front of him, a guy behind him. Then it was airplanes and this and that. And so it's just not the way the world works. And so I saw all of this so destructive, definitely hurt Trump at the polls. And then I just wonder where all this is going. And then I wonder if

1:10:30 We're never gonna get any real answers. And I know you've been a critic of Candace Owens. I just know that when one issue, there's like a soap opera that can't be answered, because there is questions, but then it's just this endless, endless factory of never getting to the answers. What do you think of this whole fiasco? Well, I think she's an amateur conspiracy theorist. I think that she's somebody who for many years she had other people writing her script for her. She had Ben Shapiro writing her script. She had Charlie Kirk writing her script. And it was easy enough to go and say that black people are going to vote Republican for Blexit and whatever she was supposed to say at Daily Wire.

1:11:08 Now that she writes her own script and she's sort of glommed on to this conspiracy stuff, it's like you say, she really doesn't know how to create a theory, a conjecture, a postulate. She doesn't know how those things work. And you're right, if there's going to be some sort of a a handful of people on a need to know basis. And maybe it's one, it's one faction of one Intel agency. That's typically how these things unfold. But this is a person who was really just looking at anything based on other heuristics like, well, Charlie wanted to audit Turning Point. So it's a cover up of a money thing. And oh, there was some foreign people with foreign phones in the audience. So it was a foreign intelligence conspiracy.

1:12:11 And just kind of going based on things that we've seen in the past, similar patterns, putting them all together into, I don't even know what the theory is at this point. And it's like you say. False pattern recognition. But you're almost being too kind here. There was a sophistication, whoever, I think she is having somebody advise her, the sophistication, kind of the Q2.0 esoteric Gnostic level of it, or maybe she's just herself has some delusions and so maybe she was projecting that on, but I didn't see some genius there. Well, she's certainly good at what she does. It is a soap opera and it's a serial. Every day we're going to check in and hear about the crazy new thing. And you're right, there is something maybe sophisticated and Gnostic about it. I look at

1:12:58 This guy who's been supporting her, John Mappin. I don't know why nobody's talking about John Mappin. The Scientologist, the heir to the jeweler that creates the crown jewels for the British Royal Family. He allegedly introduced her and her husband. He's been so supportive. She retweets him. He's writing letters to her. He was best friends with Charlie Kirk. His wife is from Russia. I don't know why nobody's talking about that guy. No one's talking about George Farmer. They all met through Turning Point UK. So you have Turning Point USA She met her husband through Turning Point UK. She made a bag off of Turning Point USA and Turning Point UK. So there's definitely something suspicious going on there, maybe a foreign intelligence play of its own, talking about the French and the French president and the French president's wife and France's involvement in this. So there could be some sophistication there. And I would say to the extent that there is a conspiracy, no one's talking about the Mormon mafia. I don't

1:13:53 believe that there's some grand conspiracy to kill Charlie Kirk. I think like you say, it's Tyler Robinson. And when you saw him make his court appearance, he's wearing a trans tie. And why would he be the patsy if they're supposed to be If this is about Israel or some other thing, why do you pick some Hick-lib, white guy, pro-trans activist? Why would he be the patsy? And where are his parents? Where are the people trying to defend him? It doesn't even make any sense. To the extent that there is a cover up, it would be about the Mormon mafia because the killing happened in Utah. Turning Point is a Mormon organization. It's Utah Public Safety that's doing the investigation. I never even heard of that on her show. She never even talks about that. Instead, she's talking about her dreams and beekeepers and almost everything else. By the way, I'm not banishing Mormons in general. A lot of them are very concerned people.

1:14:44 If you know about intelligence and study politics, the Mormons have percentage the highest number in federal law enforcement and intelligence. So all you're saying is in Utah that area, it's a zone where you could definitely if you wanted to change the outcome of something do it. Exactly, exactly. And it's strange that it happened there because That is a zone of control where they would have a lot of influence, where they have like a mafia-like kind of stranglehold. And that was never brought up, which is interesting. And I think that it's very comparable to QAnon. This is like QAnon 2.0, where all these people have been whipped up and deputized, and it's basically just destroyed people's faith in anything. It's sort of interesting. After her meeting with Erica Kirk, she did her show yesterday,

1:15:31 And all the top comments were saying, Candace got the call, Candace made a deal, we can't trust her. But I saw many of the comments also said, now I'm just done with politics. They're fatigued, they're literally fatigued and they are so. They have been so wound up and twisted by this whole thing. Now that Candace is backing down and walking back all the claims, now they're saying, well, I'm just done with politics because I don't know what to believe. There's no one that's telling the truth. And so there you have it. There is the proof in and of itself. This has destroyed the confidence of the people in any kind of conspiracy theory, in any kind of alternative media. Because if you have alternative media gaslighting the people

1:16:15 Oh, it's the French, it's beekeepers. It's a spiritual battle happening in my dreams when I go to sleep at night. And then you walk it back, then people say, well, you know what? Clearly this is just too complex or too corrupt. I'm just done with all of it. When in reality, it really goes down to not signing UN treaties, not giving up sovereignty, deporting illegals or HR 3492. And guys check, it was supposed to be voted on like the last 30 minutes. to ban all transgender surgery, MTG, and the Republicans establishment, the spider, is trying to block it, which would be a major win for Trump. So anybody that doesn't vote for this must be on the Pritzker funding. But that's a real thing. This is real action. This is what we do 90% of the time. I get accused of being a conspiracy theorist because I'll give my opinion about what's behind something sometimes. The truth is this show 95% of the time is just legislation and what's happening in the world. This is real, folks. This is something we can do.

1:17:13 Well, and that's exactly it. We are people that are actually trying to change the country. And then you get these spectacles that come up. This is what this is, is a big giant spectacle. It is a black hole. It's like you say, it's a never ending serial, a never ending soap opera. And it's about basically science fiction. It's like a science fiction thriller. It's like a movie from the 70s. And It's actually doing damage to people that are trying to reform politics. And the problem is a lot of these people, they just don't read. They don't read, they don't care. Candace Owens read one book. She read that book, Chaos, by Robert O'Neill or Tom O'Neill or something like that. She read that one book. She kind of knows something's up with Israel, and that's all she needed to know. And now she's whipped up into this thing where every

1:18:03 Everything's connected to everything. It's Brigitte Macron and the beekeepers and people wearing maroon shirts. Let's be clear. I mean, I saw her like a year ago go, I just learned about the USS Liberty. And then I have people saying, how dare you not cover it? I only wrote books and made films about it 20 years ago. You know, and I'm not a competition with Candace. I like Candace, but, but it is actually true what you're saying. Is this she emblematic though of people wake up, but you wake up and your fire alarm is going off. You don't know where the fire at, or if it's a false alarm, you wake up and you smell smoke. You still got to find it. I think they're all woken up. And so now they don't have any real

1:18:40 context or depth, people go, well, you're 26, you've been doing this 10 years. Like I said, you were 12 into this stuff just like I was, so you've been doing it, you know, 20 years or whatever, or 18 years. So, so, and we're not trying to be elitist here, it's just that I know light years more than I knew five years ago. And the Alex Jones five years ago was pretty smart. And the Alex Jones that was 20 was more informed than the average woke, you know, patriot right now. So, but then the problem is I have all this knowledge and I, I give them complex answers as complex and they go, and that's what I'm talking about. Yesterday I got spun by the media, the Jones attacks, Fuentes and Tucker. I didn't even say your name. I'm talking about people that said.

1:19:19 I mean literally had a post like a week ago, hey, Chernobyl's leaking, this is a problem. And a third of the comments were covering up for the Jews, covering up for the Jews. It's like if an earthquake happens in LA, I'm gonna talk about the earthquake, it's not about Jews. I'm all about criticizing Israel and Jews doing stuff, but that's a microcosm. It's not just those people. They've woken up, they've got informed about that, but that's their lane. And so to them, that's the only knowledge they have. Does that make sense? 100% and I've seen this so many times because I operate more in this in this wacky space or whatever that does fixate on Jews, Israel, whatever. And it's like a red pill psychosis. It's like people can't handle it. They take one red pill and they say, oh, there's this sort of hidden truth. There's this esoteric truth. There's this hidden reality. But when they have no deep background, they have no general knowledge. They don't actually have a practical experience with this stuff.

1:20:10 It goes off in all these different directions and people start to talk about, well, that means the earth is flat. And that means that Trump is the shadow president. And that means that the Khazar mafia, that's really what it's all about. And they go down to all these different rabbit holes, all these different red herrings because you're right, without context. without that sort of grounding. And context is really key. You do need a ton of background information to understand how we got here. It's thousands of years of history, theology, philosophy, politics. You need to have some grasp on a lot of these subjects. You really need to be read wide and deep into these subjects to begin to contextualize it. And like you say, okay, we're doing a show about the liberty,

1:20:56 I just found out about it last year. And coincidentally, now everything is literally everything is Israel. Charlie Kirk is Israel, the Bondi shootings, Israel Browns is this, that and the other. Now me, I'm going to say it's Israel, let's say 60% of the time. Now that's not good enough because the people that got red pilled two minutes ago, well, they know it's 110% of the time. And Unfortunately, all that does is discredit the people that are actually doing the hard work, actually doing the research, actually reading the books, doing the hard work to figure these things out that are in touch with reality. I saw a lot of people say, well, it's the Jews every other time, so it's the Jews this time. That's like the gambler's fallacy. These are just basic logic problems that people are committing because they deliver dominoes

1:21:46 pizzas for most of their life. Now they're a red pill savant or something. So I'm totally with you. And it's good that that taboo is gone. It's totally safe now to attack Israel all I want. But I only do it when I actually see something real. And again, it's the constant frustration of like Chinese water torture, where I'm like, hey, you know, China is making a move here. Why are you coming up for the Jews? And it's like, no, there's other things going on. It doesn't take away from the Great Awakening to foreign influence and all that's really healthy. But exactly, people cannot then become

1:22:29 Lunatics that only know one thing and you know, it's like when you said let me see the evidence Israel killed Kirk and they go Oh, you got money It's you got a $7,000 check. It's it's it's but it's also about like an elitism like we're holier-than-thou We're gonna say actual intellectuals are historically informed because you know, you've debated on my show some of the best out there You won those debates. I know this stuff is As much as you do or more in some cases, but I don't even say it as good as you do on the foreign policy. I mean, you're knocking on the park, but these guys who just say, nope, Nick's not good either and make themselves feel good like they just got on the field with Pat Brady or Michael Jordan in their prime and beat them. But they're literally just saying, I'm better than Michael Jordan. No, you're not. And it's not about your criticism of us. It's about you growing up and being men.

1:25:39 not yesterday, but the day before, is all over the place with the headlines, Jones turns against Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes because of their Nazism. Which is again, not attacking them, they're not Nazis, it's lies within lies. And they show a two minute clip of me talking about the people that said with no reservation, that the attack over the weekend in Sydney against the Jews celebrating Hanukkah wasn't a Muslim attack and that it was, you know, Israeli Mossad. Now, has Israel staged false flags? Yeah, we've covered it. Et Nazeem, the stand down January, October 7th was one. The Levant Affair, U.S.C. Liberty, yeah. But no, you've got thousands of Imams saying they're going into Jihad now. This is the phase, they quote the Quran, how Muhammad took over Medina and after that launches attack.

1:26:33 It's a formula. And so my issue is this, the politically correct groups you've seen, I can play montages that are hours long, whites are inherently evil, Catholics are inherently evil, Christians are inherently evil, the family's evil, the nuclear family's evil. There's a lot of leftist Jewish groups funding it. So a lot of Americans and others get mad at that. It is healthy to criticize Israel. It should not be a sacred cow. It should not be a taboo. I just simply don't want to be somebody that lies about it and then uses it again as a black hole total diversion. So I've always said, how dare you have Nick Fuentes on back when I was being deplatformed over it.

1:27:13 And another thing is like you can't criticize him when he's mild compared to what's taught in the universities about how the West needs to die and everybody needs to die. But then there's the issue. I can play you hundreds of new videos, we already did the last few days, of in the US, in Europe, in Australia, kill the Jews, kill the Christians, murder them, murder them, them marching around the Melbourne Cathedral, thousands of Muslims very threateningly attacking Christian displays, truck attacks, all of it getting covered up. Cops getting stabbed in Washington State by people screaming Allah Akbar, doesn't even hit the national news. So Nick said a few weeks ago on my show, he said, I think Europe's got a big Muslim problem, which is true. There's three times more of them over there than here.

1:28:03 He said in the US it's really a red herring for Israel. Well, it's true that Israel lobby uses the threat of Islam to distract from itself. But that's like saying somebody burns down your house or burns down the business next door to a bank to divert the cops while they rob the bank. It doesn't mean that the restaurant didn't just get burned down. So It's two different things. So I'd like you to elaborate on that and actually give us your take on it because if you study the Quran, it's a military takeover manual. You have the Muslim Brotherhood that's allied with Obama and the Democrats and Starmer and the deep state.

1:28:39 in their larger plan, you got the UAE and Saudi Arabia, who have all their own issues, that have been warning about that group because that's their enemy. But if you look at terrorism historically, it's like 90% out of the Muslim Brotherhood. So my point is, is that yeah, it's not existential yet here, except you have the same alliances with the left With Islam and so with that combination and them as the foot soldiers So what are there only 5% of the population or whatever? That as a motivated group that vote how they're told donate how they're told look at the Somalis, you know 8 billion stolen We know now is that it's cancer. So and so I'm not trying to dunk on you say, you know admit you're wrong Elaborate on it. I get your point about it being used by Israel's distraction and

1:29:24 But then I get all this criticism constantly every time I talk about Islam saying why are you covering up for Israel or whatever and to me I just cover any foreign powerful thing trying to take over so whereas Israel has organization money control manipulation very sophisticated with the Muslims they've got a caveman book but when humans are willing to follow an order we're powerful and So I mean I do see it as one of the main threats. So where do you see this? What's your actual views on this? Well, my actual view on the whole situation is of course we want to live in a Christian country. We want to live in a country with Christian government and mostly Christian people. And I'm not in favor of bringing Muslims in as refugees from wars or even for that matter as immigrants and setting up these enclaves. I look at, for example, the Somalis in Minneapolis

1:30:15 I don't know that any patriotic person can say that Minnesota, which is a land of Swedes and Nords, Norwegians, Finnish, that this is gonna turn into an enclave of Somalians wearing hijabs. And that's all the kids in the schools and all the signs are in Somalian, the mayor is speaking Somalian. I get all that. I guess I would just say, When is the last time there's even been a Muslim attack in the United States? It has to have been years. And in the meantime, we've had all kinds of other attacks from Antifa, people that hate ICE, from transgenders. There's an assortment of threats these days. And it's not to minimize it, but it's to say, we live in a time of violent fanaticism. And even when you look at the demographic numbers, I guess I would just say what exactly is the threat?

1:31:04 And people might say, well, it's obvious it's terrorism. And okay, yeah, that's valid. I mean, there's certainly terrorism. But for example, this guy at Bondi Beach, that's in Australia, not America, firstly. But secondly, he was known to law enforcement. He was known to law enforcement specifically as someone who was connected to an ISIS terror cell. And so my question is more, this is frequently the case, these people that commit these acts of terrorism, even that Afghan that committed the shooting recently here in the United States. He was CIA, right, exactly, he was CIA. He worked with the US military. So it's like all these people that are committing the attacks, they're all in bed with the government or known to the government. Maybe we just have the government do a better job of sniffing this stuff out. I mean, there's a lot of Muslims-

1:31:52 I don't think terror is the threat. They do that once they get a big enough control of a town to push you out. That's in the Quran. In his Medina takeover, he explains how to do it. That's why they read that and they do that. It's not just random stabbings and things. The Imam tells them to do it. It's the Mujahideen. The real threat is they now say, we failed taking over the Europe because we did it militarily. We're gonna vote ourselves in. We're gonna access the war chest and take over that way. So that's the problem, is if you get up to 5, 10%, look at Europe, they're a swing vote that goes with the left almost 100% of the time. So I don't see the terror as the threat. I see them not being able to help themselves, some of the Orthodox Muslims that are doing it, as them not being able to help themselves and jump in the gun. Does that make sense?

1:32:36 Yeah, that makes sense. And I agree with you about Europe because that's where they're mostly concentrated. But here in the United States, it's just such a small fraction of the population. I don't consider it in that pantheon of major threats. I view it as totally secondary because the major threat with immigration is India. India sending these like people by the hundreds of thousands here And they are true colonists because they will take over an entire business. You get one Indian in the business, they hire all people from their caste from India. And then in five years old companies India. I mean, I on average like it in people, okay? Don't dislike them for who they are, but I know the history right. And I saw this number about a month ago, I did a deep dive on it for like three hours. It's worse than they said. It's like a Breitbart video, put the Breitbart animation of it.

1:33:21 70% of the H1B visas to the US are from India, and something like 85% are from one province who came here 50 years ago, bought hotels, bought gas stations, and it's a mafia where they have to send the money back, and then they're big on paying off politicians. And this is true, folks, any Indian business, they do the bankruptcy thing, because they'll work the system. You go to the airport now, there are like 20 Indians that are young in wheelchairs. They're like, well, why shouldn't I go to the front of the line and be pushed? If it's legal, I just say I'm disabled. And it's stereotypical, but it is happening. But it's that particular tribe, particular caste.

1:33:58 Is the vast majority of Indians coming here and they're literally, yeah, let's play this report with audio in a minute. They literally greased the skin. So you're absolutely right that these are tribal groups. Like we think the Somalis are an issue because they're tribal and do what they're told and controlled. We're all taught like Italians, it was just really Sicilians were a mafia. This is amateur compared to the Indians. So you're dead on about this. Let's roll this short clip. We know from decades of government data that H1Bs overwhelmingly go to men arriving from India. And not only do they go from men arriving from India, they come from one area in India, one small area in India. So this one, if you believe that the H1B is bringing in the best and brightest from around the world, how is it even possible that this one region

1:34:51 In India is producing seven in ten of the world's geniuses that we're bringing in on the H1Bs. Yeah, so in terms of immigration and like a demographic takeover, it's Indians, it's Chinese, it's Mexicans, it's Venezuelans. To me, just in terms of the numbers, those are the biggest ones coming here. And then in terms of political influence, I mean, you're right that Muslims are in bed, some of these Muslim organizations are in bed with the Democrats. But again, I fall back on

1:35:29 Who are the biggest donors for the Democratic Party? It's like Michael Bloomberg. It's Reid Hoffman. It's all pro-gang, pro- That's another question. Why are prominent Jews the dominant group along with Catholic Charities shipping anti-legals to the West? Well, I think that Jewish people, they benefit as a group, the more multicultural that America becomes. It's a very simple formula, which is that if America's all white and all Christian, Jews stick out like a sore thumb, and it's easy to segregate them and easy to discriminate against them. If America's completely diverse, and there's all different types of people, and we're liberal and tolerant and pluralistic, well, then they're just a group among other groups. So this is just a strategy.

1:36:15 Because of course in Israel, they want homogeneity. They want the country to be all Jewish. They want Netanyahu to be their king. You know, they are aggressive militarily. That's That's how they are when they're the majority. When they're in the minority, they want America to be as liberal and tolerant and pluralistic as possible. So that's why 80% of them are voting Democrat. That's why their billionaires are putting money behind the Democratic Party. And so that's why I would say that it's really these other groups that are the bigger issue. And don't get me wrong, I don't want Muslims influencing the country. I don't want Muslims pouring across the border. But in terms of if your problem is

1:36:53 foreign lobbying, Democrat power players, clannish behavior, ethnic enclaves. You got all these other groups you got to worry about that just in terms of the numbers are more pernicious. And that's not because I'm like infatuated with Muslims. If we were living in Europe, I would be Tommy Robinson. If we were in Europe, I would be saying, yeah, Muslims, they're doing their call to prayer. This is a huge issue. They got to go. But we don't live in Europe, we live here. So I think we just have different problems. Cuz America's separated by an ocean from the Middle East in a way that Europe is not. So they pour into Europe over a land bridge and over a very small strait in the sea. And then they're in Europe. Yeah, go ahead. So let me ask you this question. You seem overly or somewhat optimistic, I'm gonna say overly, and I'm optimistic as well.

1:37:46 Separate from Trump, populism rising, the West rising, Eastern Europe rising. What futures do you see? Or sometimes I see you seem optimistic, sometimes you're not. Regardless, where do you see the future going? Well, I'm not optimistic in the short term because I think there is a cataclysm that's imminent. The war with China, economic collapse, this debt crisis is going to reset the currency. But I'm optimistic because the young men seem to have woken up. And some people call me an accelerationist for saying this. I really think I'm just someone who thinks in terms of second and third order consequences, even let's say for Europe as an example.

1:38:28 One reason that I'm less worried about Muslims is that let's game it out. Okay, Muslims take over Europe. Eventually that radicalizes all the white people, even the liberals. Because liberals are gonna start to say, well, we want feminism and we want gay rights and we wanna have a general climate of licentiousness. And Muslim rule is not gonna be conducive to that. So on a long enough timeline, you create enough Muslims in Europe and yeah, there is like civil war conditions, but that makes the Europeans become who they are. And I'm not saying we should do that. I'm not saying let's roll the dice. I'm saying you can kind of forecast out how that will play out. And you could see how Muslims being a very imminent and apparent threat is actually going to galvanize resistance. And I view America similarly, which is to say that

1:39:16 as America becomes more diverse, as it starts to fall apart, the young men are gonna actually be galvanized by these things. That's why I've always said America first is inevitable, because if what we are saying is true, the country's gonna get a lot worse. But people are gonna change their behavior. People are not potted plants, they react. And so as the country gets worse, the cost to benefit ratio of engaging in politics, of being a radical, being let's say pro-white, pro-American, pro-Christian, it's gonna change. 20 years ago, you didn't want to be a racist because it was such a high social cost. And people said, well, why do we care about race? And it was easy to say that because race wasn't really a problem. We lived in a country that was still mostly white and the diversity had not set in yet and the demographic change was not felt. And so people said, hey man, this is like a big, happy white country with some non-white people. Who cares if they cause some problems or they're a little rude? It's not a big deal.

1:40:17 Okay, 30 years down the line, 40, 50 years down the line, whites are the minority. Stacey Abrams is president. She's taking money from white people to give to non-white people like we're at the end of a gun, we're at the end of a spear. Then people are gonna start to say, wait a second, we need to look out for each other. We need to band together. So you can sort of see how the only way out is through. So I'm pessimistic in the short term, these systems and these the ways of doing things that have been the way they are for a long time, they can't go on. It's not sustainable. There will be a hard reset. There will be a true revolution in every domain of society. On the other side of that, there is an opportunity to make things better. It's not inevitable that we actualize it, but there is an opportunity that when everything comes apart, when things get really heated and hot, if the right wing has the numbers and the organization and the discipline

1:41:12 excuse me, we can take advantage of it and maybe we can then control the future. And that's true. Well, what you're saying is true. I mean, after World War II, we had the baby boom. It happens in every country. When things are really good, nobody has children. Elon Musk talked about Rome was studied and in Carthage, their birth numbers were declining massively. Then they have this big war and almost get defeated and they have this big giant boom and then 300 years of a golden era. And this is a fact, which we're not calling for hard times. But we're in hard times. We have to bypass the brainwashing where they put you in a hard time and convince you it's a good time. We have to admit we're in this fight and start thriving now. Here's a clip of Elon. What ended most civilizations was a low birth rate. An extended period of prosperity seems to cause birth rates to plummet. And it's somewhat counterintuitive when a society is under stress, birth rates increase.

1:42:11 So if you look at, say, ancient Rome, the birth rates were super high when they were fighting the Carthaginians, and Rome's very life was at stake. Birth rates were all-time high. After they defeated Carthage and ruled the Mediterranean, the birth rates plummeted, to such a degree that Julius Caesar even tried to pass laws in 50 BC or something like that to give an incentive for any Roman citizen that would have a second or third child. So they were having birth rate issues in 50 BC, which is pretty wild. And that was also true of really basically every civilization throughout history. It's how do you avoid this birth rate collapse. And I've seen the studies, there's like five or six trees, one of them's out in California.

1:42:58 different species around the world that are in arid areas where they're up high, they're not getting hardly any nutrients, but because it's so bad the trees are like 2,000 years old. But they've done studies with the same species of tree, plenty of water, plenty of nutrient, grows fast, gets big, dies quick. So it really is true that we have to recognize we're in crisis. And I'll put you on the spot, you're 26, you're still super young, but I had a couple kids by 26. Nick, you're under crisis, you're under pressure. You need to marry Cash Patel's girlfriend. I'm joking. You need to marry Laura Logan. No, not Laura Logan. I don't want to talk about her. I don't want to get sued. Sorry, Laura Logan's awesome. And so is Laura Lumer. You should marry Laura Lumer.

1:43:42 Well, she just got engaged, did you see? No. It was just announced today, she got engaged. Alex, they're taking them from me. First Candace Owens, now Laura Loomer, there's none left. There's no women left for me. All my girlfriends are being stolen by the Trump admin by turning point. Seriously, so- You gotta fix me up. Laura Loomer's getting married? You gotta fix me up with somebody. Yeah. Wow. I know. Well, who's she marrying? I don't know, some idiot, I'm sure. I mean, I don't even know what that's all about. But yeah, there was maybe a future where me and Laura Loomer had some kids, moved to Israel, converted and all that. I'd be at the Hanukkah party at the White House. But yeah, no, I guess she had another guy waiting in the wings for her cuz I didn't step up, I didn't give her the ring. Well, I'm gonna be honest and go ahead and break this news here right now. Laura Loomer is my daughter.

1:44:42 I'm not joking. I could have married into the family. Nick, let's be serious. Did you know I'm actually the son of Benjamin and Yahoo? I could see the resemblance. Now the funny thing is they're going to take that club out and say it's real. I've joked before. All right. We're almost out of time. There's so many other big issues. I can talk to you all day. Nick J. Foyntes on rumble. What is it like? Because I mean, you know, it's not hype that your show is gigantic. Well, the top ones out there are 26 and all this stuff's going on and the establishment's done, whatever establishment it was. This is definitely, people are not politically correct now. It's only going to get crazier from here. What is it like to be the center of that zeitgeist?

1:45:26 Well, I feel the weight of the moment. For a long time I was doing this and it was just fun. It was a lot of fun and didn't have a lot of responsibility. I was just saying what I felt. And now that it's really coming down to 28 and there's questions about where the country is gonna go and maybe I have a real impact on that real influence. I sort of feel the weight of the responsibility now, the risks, the danger, people are looking to me for guidance. So I take it seriously, but it feels good because it shows that things can change. A big part of what was-. It shows the people have power. Everybody thinks they're powerless. You're a regular guy, your pedigree is clear. Look how big effect you've had.

1:46:04 Yeah, and I love what you say, because sometimes we talk about this and you say that the real trick that the devil pulls is to convince people that there's no good in the world. That nothing can change, give up, it's hopeless, no one is doing the right thing. And I've lived it, you know, I've lived it. I was just some 18 year old college kid. and I got canceled. I was left for dead and my career should have been dead, but I just persevered. I just kept doing what I do. I kept just telling the truth. And eventually, I think through a lot of luck and hard work and people like you and others being supportive along the way, it turned into something that is now having an impact. And

1:46:42 There's a million people out there that are like you and like me. They want what's best for the country. They have talents, they have ability, they have character. And I'm just calling on those people to just take that first step, make the right decision, start today, tell the truth, do something for the country, be a patriot. We actually can change our destiny. Ultimately, it's in God's hands. but we can be used by God to do the right thing. And I think that, you know, hopefully that's an inspiration. If somebody like me could do it, other people can do it also. Because I started with very little and I have a lot of defects and flaws as we all do. But it just starts with, are you going to be a part of the solution? Are you going to be a part of the problem? Well, the power structure hates us.

1:47:26 If they can censor us, they can twist what we said, take it out of context. They hate people actually hearing what we actually say versus what they claim we said out of context. But people should check out your show. Are you doing a live stream tonight? Yes, I think I will do a show tonight. What, like after Trump's speech? Yes. Yeah, probably. So I know you're going live. You'll cover that and then I'll go live after that. Yeah. I mean, I'm going to at least be on with Ben and I may do a simulcast by seven 30 tonight and throw it. Uh, so we'll be watching, uh, Nick, you're hard to get ahold of on the phone. He'd tell you some other stuff. So I'm gonna credit when I'm off in like a minute, I'm gonna call you about five minutes real quick. All right. Okay. Sounds good. Thanks, Nick. Great interview. Thank you. All right. All right. Very thought provoking. Uh, let me say this Harrison Smith's taking over.