52:31 Meanwhile they would not feed the troops, they treated them like crap, made them sleep on the floor. This is just a group of clowns. So the bad news is they're trying to set up a classical tyranny with high-tech overlays. The good news is they're completely incompetent and the American people see right through it. So we're talking to Norm Patus, we're talking to Steve Metcalf, both leading lawyers on the Proud Boy show trial, talk about patron saints of lost causes. Steve, we're trying to finish a point about what this weaponization means. The Justice Department admits they want to use this against conservatives and libertarians and populists and Christians and nationalists now. The left is mostly peaceful. They get to march and burn things down. Everybody else is locked down in their houses. But simultaneously,
53:18 Kyle Rittenhouse is bad when people are chasing him, shooting at him, him saying we're going to kill you. The left says he's the bad guy. So it's just more of the same. Please finish your point than any other points you and Norm Pattis would like to make about this historic show trial. Absolutely Alex. So what does this mean? It means and Norm and I saw this coming from a mile away. It means that the government could actually now prove a conspiracy based on it happening almost instantaneously or on the ground that day. With the Proud Boys, 10 a.m., they met up at the Washington Monument, they marched together, they stopped at a reflecting pool, they took a picture, they said a couple of prayers, they then walked around a little bit more and they stopped at an area with a whole bunch of food trucks.
54:11 Now without, now being a little bit, because there is no evidence to show that there is anything at all that happened during that time. There's influences and innuendos thrown out that all of a sudden this plan was hatched at that time or around that timeframe. And that led up to the video that you showed before, which is Ryan Samsel at the fence and Ray Epps goes and whispers in his ear. And then we have the footage of Rea helping with the fences ram it down. So let me give a parallel. Let me do this though Alex, I see time is short. Here's what's going to happen. I mean the foundation has been laid to indict Donald Trump.
54:54 And let's talk about something Steve and I haven't mentioned yet, a new theory of liability in a criminal court that was introduced for the first time in this case, so-called tools theory. If the three of us, Alex, you, Steve, and I agree to commit some unlawful act and we start running our mouth about it after the agreement and before the act, each one of our statements is admissible and as evidence against one another as a statement of a co-conspirator if that statement is in furtherance of the conspiracy. In this case, People the Proud Boys never knew, never met, were held to be their tools and their statements and conduct was admitted into evidence. All these people you see in this crowd, all these people you see on the screen, these were deemed to be tools of the Proud Boys, influenced by them. Here's the significance of this.
55:38 For Donald Trump standing on the ellipse that morning talking to the crowd, I believe the government will now claim that Donald Trump was in a conspiracy with several people in his office to engage in seditious conspiracy to oppose the operation of the government. I meant to raise this. That's what they're talking about with this prosecutor Smith. They're actually saying they're getting ready to indict Trump now with these convictions claiming he was commanding them. I suspect that'll happen. The Proud Boys, to the degree the Proud Boys use tools, they're openly saying the Proud Boys were the president's tools. There's no evidence of it. The smartest thing that Donald Trump could do right now would be to call Steve Metcalfe because all my pride is wounded. I didn't get an acquittal for my client on Seditious Conspiracy. He got one for Dominic Pizzola. And here's what the Trump legal team needs to be doing right now. They need to be finding people who understand the chaos of that day
56:30 Steve would be one of them, I would be another. They need to get these lawyers in a room, they need to debrief grand jury witnesses, and they need to start figuring out how they're gonna defend Donald Trump. Because as God is my witness, I predict by the end of June, there's gonna be indictment of Trump, and some part of it's gonna be related to January 6th. They're going to claim he engaged in conspiracy, that Stop the Steal was fraud, and that he used the protesters as tools in part of his conspiracy. And the special prosecutor has telegraphed that. So let me raise this. Reviewers that are as old as I am or older like you norm. I remember hey wait a minute. Where's my cane? I remember in the late 80s whenever it was the John Gotti trial and back then the FBI had to plant microphones out the street hide them inside the building Gotti knew they were being spied on so they'd walk around the street and plan murders and plan stuff and that was proof that they had the conspiracy they had him planning stuff and then they caught
57:23 the people going out and doing the murders. And then they had witnesses, I guess, you know, Sammy the Bull or whatever his name was, who was actually... Yeah, Sammy the Bull Guerrero. Yeah, so they had a witness that was there, they had audio and video, and they barely convicted him. They have them saying nothing. They have no proof, and they've just been convicted. This case eliminates usually there's a staying in the law post hoc ergo proctor hoc just because something happened before an event doesn't mean it proved the effort evident that the the event afterward you have to prove a mechanism you have to tie things together with evidence. This case eliminated the requirement for evidence and transformed the law on the law of conspiracy into what Steve called fairy dust.
58:06 They can just say, hey, you said this yesterday, you did this today. Kaboom! That's a conspiracy. And if they did it to the Proud Boys with the nominal evidence they had in this case, how much more powerful will their case be against Donald Trump? And what will that do to the Republic when a man who 70 million people voted for and who tens of thousands turned up at the Capitol to protest, they chose to believe their commander in chief. The government says, Hey, I think you got more like 80 million votes and, and, and yeah, about a million people showed up in DC that day. Okay. Well, I don't know what the numbers were, but I mean, the point is who are the proud boys and who are the crowds supposed to believe the commander in chief or the thief. And when it becomes a crime to believe your president, they've declared war on the American people. And they have, they're trying to ban the American flag now. Sorry, Steve, go ahead.
58:53 Alex, you hit the nail on the head in talking about John Gotti's case and when investigations used to be investigations. I want you to think about this. I want the listeners to think about this one more time. The tools theory. This is the first time I've ever seen or heard anything like this being introduced in a conspiracy case. That is essentially the one person can use another person as a tool and that tool doesn't even know what they're being used for. If I wanted to basically benefit or be in furtherance of the conspiracy that I plant. So here we have no conspiracy whatsoever. But if another guy who's affiliated with the Proud Boys spray something towards an officer,
59:41 that we never knew, never spoke about, never crossed paths with any of these five defendants. All of a sudden, that's going to be showcased and blasted before a jury as if it was ordered by one of these defendants in this case. That's how bizarre this trial got. The stuff that was coming in had nothing to do with these guys whatsoever. And that's where they needed the force. And that's what the left does though. They say anybody that wants to control the border is a white supremacist. Anybody that doesn't want election fraud is a white supremacist. Anybody that doesn't want to take a shot is a white supremacist. It has nothing to do with being a white supremacist. They just label us all as that. And then Biden in June of 2001 declared all his political opposition terrorists
1:00:25 if they believe in over 20 things, including later the Afghan withdrawal. I mean, it's just anything they don't like, you are a terrorist. They say white supremacist terrorist, you're a white supremacist. And it's garbage. People need to say, you know, when you hear somebody call you a white supremacist, your first remark should be, what is it you want from me right now? How are you trying to shake me down? This land is your land. This land is my land. There's no color that's a barrier to entry. And I have had it up to here and beyond. Guys, this is too important. Don't hang up. Do 10 more minutes. I promise you'll be gone at like 28 after. And then folks, I got tons of news. Gone. Your call's coming up. I want to live. No, no. Stay right there. Don't leave. We're going to go to break.
1:01:06 We'll do 10 more minutes with both these guys on the other side, let them finish their points. But folks, this is bone chilling. And remember, I got skin in the game. They are admittedly trying to put me in prison, claiming I ran the quote attack on the Capitol. Believe me, if I ran an attack on the Capitol, it'd be a lot different. Plus the Capitol doesn't run anything. It's just where they vote. It's all out at Cheyenne Mountain and site R and site M and in Colorado Springs. I mean, you take over the US government, you need about 10,000 nuclear weapons. I don't want to take over the government with violence. I want to take it back with ideas. The idea that I wanted this fiasco, that let the tyrants take over, is preposterous. The globalists have the motive and their fingerprints are all over it and the media is defending Ray Apps. Stay with us. Final segment with two lawyers, the patron saints of lost causes, but it's not a lost cause, in the district of Satan, Mordor.