Breaking Epstein Investigation Exclusive: Top FBI Whistleblower Who First Reported on the Fourteen Terabytes of New Epstein Material Hidden at the FBI Offices in New York Warns That “We’re Going to See Nothing” and that Evidence Points Towards Another Slow-Rolling

00:00 You wanna know why I have an investigation into me? Because I embarrass the FBI. It's the number one sin in the FBI. It's not breaking the law. Did Jeffrey Epstein hang himself or did somebody kill him? Senator, I believe he hung himself in a cell in the Metropolitan Detention Center. Are you gonna release all the information about that? Senator, we are working through that right now with the Department of Justice. When do you think you'll have it done, Cash? I think in the near future, sir. Like, before I die? My concerns are that we're going to see nothing. That's my big concern. And my concern is that the machine is working slowly on purpose because the attention span of the American people, they think they can manipulate it. And they're chasing headlines. But I was in suspicion that if Trump learns about this, he won't be displaced. He needs to know. He needs to know that the FBI has not been recaptured. For all the messaging and the branding and the capturing a couple of illegal aliens and showing the ice jacket and showing the ATF or the DOJ or the FBI, that is not a solution.

00:57 the FBI. While other networks lie to you about what's happening now, InfoWars tells you the truth about what's happening next. InfoWars .com forward slash well, Kyle Serafin is the FBI whistleblower of FBI. Whistleblowers and back in March, he was the first to report here that 14 plus terabytes had been given to FBI offices around the and we're going to be getting the latest Epstein. Developments and angles and his sources and what's happening here today, but I.

01:43 the first time I met him. I first wanted to get his 35,000 ft view. 112 days in the Trump administration on his overall what's good. What's bad? What's troubling? What's encouraging? And then I said, Just come in and give us a briefing on all these big things you're investigating and covering as a journalist now in a And we'll put his website up on screen for folks here as well as you can find his show and the work he does. But just first in general, and then I want to look at the Democrats trying to turn the heat up with civil unrest as I predicted, not hard to predict. Into the summer, they're admitting they want that. You got mayors and congresspeople attacking people at ICE facilities, mayors getting arrested.

02:28 Clearly, they've moved on for now from the cyber burnings, cyber truck burnings, attacking Tesla, into other things. But it's the stated plan of John Podesta and others to try to have a civil uprising this summer, which to me sounds like criminally organizing something but the Democratic Party so I guess they're still able to do that and we keep hearing we're gonna hear indictments for the ocean of things they've done so we'll obviously talk about that as well. Most people know who you are but but why don't you for people that don't because you'd be better talking about your own bio than I to kind of encapsulate who you are and your 35,000 foot view. Sure.

03:03 So, most basically I'm a husband and a father, I'm an American citizen. Those are like the core pieces of who I am as a person and that I think is the most important. And that was always important to me, but before that I was an FBI agent. Before that I worked in a hospital and I did some emergency medicine. And before that I was in the Air Force. So I had a couple of, a whole lifetime of private sector jobs before working for the military and working for the government. And so that's where that's the lens that I bring to all of this stuff when I when I start looking at it. I look at and including when I was an FBI agent, I knew that I wouldn't be an FBI agent forever. Alex, I knew that I was going to be a private citizen again. It just turned out it was a little bit more more rapidly than I thought. So when I look at this stuff, as a former government employee, I look at it and think,

03:45 You know, what the hell is our government doing for us? And are they working on our behalf or are they working on their own behalf? Are they serving some other interests? So all of that is to say, when I look at what's going on with Trump right now, and I had a kind of a retroflective moment this morning on a Monday, woke up and I thought, based on the same sort of thing that I see in my background as an emergency medical technician, as a guy who was a paramedic and worked on an ambulance, the Trump administration right now is a, it's a tourniquet. It's direct pressure on a bleeding wound. But it is not the solution in and of itself yet. That's not currently what's going on. So we've got the possibility of

04:24 of solutions coming downrange. But the first thing they had to do was stop the bleeding. So the Trump administration ran on a border, and they've done very well, I think, at stifling and putting that clamp down on the border. They ran on some economic problems, price of gas, price of eggs, etc., etc. They've done a decent job, I think, of trying to clamp down on some of that. But there's some really long-term issues. And the one thing that kind of stuck with me the image of that tourniquet that cranking down and stopping the bleed before you can go and solve it. I worked in an emergency room for a couple years with the first probably most awful experience I had sitting in a trauma bay happened in say it was in Tucson. It was in Tucson probably in 2011 or 2012 and I'm sitting in there and they brought in a guy who almost had his leg cut off.

05:10 In a car accident or something like that. They brought him in on a helicopter. The guy's just pissing blood all across the hallway. He comes in. Nobody had a tourniquet. The guy died on the table. They were pumping blood into him and it just kept running out the bottom of his leg, which had an open hole in it. And in the same way, if you don't stop the The Chinese, and there's some stories that I'd like to hit you with you because I worked in Chinese counterintelligence. They are the single biggest geopolitical threat as far as I can tell. And they have been ignored by quote unquote them. We should probably talk about who them and they is because we say things like that. And we use terms like globalist, but who are those people? What do they look like? Where do they work? They work in our government. They work in our media. They work in our private sector. How do all those things come together? So I brought you a clip of a guy who I think actually has a really good grasp on that.

06:10 But if you don't stop the bleeding first and then do the surgical intervention, and if people don't realize it's going to be really uncomfortable. I mean, if you've ever had a tourniquet on even in a training environment, you realize that it is incredibly painful. So clamping down on things like tariffs, it's going to hurt. It has to have short term pain for the longterm goal of you get to continue to live. And my basic look in is that there are some solutions that have been pretty decent. There are some things where we've got a lot of work to do. We've got a ton of work to do in the intelligence community. I had somebody that I can't name by source, but said inside the IC, there's as many as 80% of the people working inside the intelligence community are working against the Trump motivations of transparency and de-weaponization.

06:51 So guys like Ed Martin, who just left the DC attorney's office and is now going over to DOJ, they've got their work cut out for them. And this is not like a win that is gonna be really easy. I think Americans, particularly on the right, we wanna think that if we won an election, it's the same thing as winning the game, but it's more like winning the coin toss before the game. It just means you get to choose to receive the ball. So that's kind of my big, my broader take on it, that there's a lot of game left in this right now. And I don't think we've necessarily that's going to be a big deal. And I don't think we've put the people on the field that shows were even going to win yet. I remember you and one of the other FBI whistleblowers that you help us kill the show

07:29 literally breaking everything days and weeks before it all came out exactly as you said about how Bondi was given basically old Epstein stuff but then they were gonna raid the New York and get the real ones and then they did and then you broke that it was 14 plus terabytes and that had been distributed out and then she later came out and said yeah it's it's thousands of videos hundreds of kids getting raped by Epstein and others and I mean, to me, that's a massive development. I don't see how now we don't see some prosecutions out of that. But I was talking to you on the phone Saturday and you were still kind of that. I don't know why the jury's out on that, but I don't know why Bondi would then and cash hotel would send that out to the offices. Uh if that then there wasn't something going to come out of that, and I want to get to that later because it ties into O'Keefe and what he broke last week and how that ties into everything. So we'll table that till the start of the next. Let's actually just just to kind of talk about it broadly speaking specifically about the FBI, and this is again a broad sort of take on those things.

08:29 If you don't do the groundwork of policy, if you don't put that tourniquet on that I was talking about of getting rid of the bad actors, whether they be in the Intel community, NSA, CIA, DIA, take your pick, right? FBI as well, and the various components that are involved in the rest of the DOJ. If you're not actually handling that business up front, you're in a world of hurt because you can send everything out to the field offices. But if if DOJ is not gonna go prosecute and if the supervisors there are willing to table those things are gonna pull resources back and say you know what we're not really incentivized to do this kind of work right now so we're not gonna handle this by the way child pornography child exploitation you know all of the sort of

09:08 the victimization of children, that is not a top priority of the FBI. It hasn't been for a very long time. It's interesting to see some messaging come out in the last couple of days. They did Operation Restore Justice. So you saw Dan Bongino, Cash Patel, you saw Pam Bondi say it a little bit, come out and talk about how we've stopped these child sex traffickers and we've gone and got some of the bad guys, and we're doing it in these different spaces. They do that every year. That's transactional business for the FBI. That's what used to be called Operation Cross Country. So historically, for the last almost 20 years, every single year, the FBI focuses and does something where they go grab like a couple hundred child pornographers and or child sex traffickers. They go rescue a handful of juveniles, anywhere from 50 to 200. And it's awesome that they do that.

09:49 But if every single agent in the FBI decided to get after it and do that exact work every single day of the week for the entire year, they would never run out of work out. By the way, Kyle, I am happy to start getting to this first because this is obviously incredibly important and you can really speak to it as somebody that's lived it. and has been a totally accurate, very respected whistleblower. It would take an hour to go over all the stuff that you originally broke, like them targeting traditional Catholics and going after parents that didn't like DEI and transgender brainwashing in Virginia. That was you and others and so many other things. And of course, as a reward, you had the DOJ try to set you up and put charges on you just like they've done to anybody else that fights tyranny. But

10:32 I mean, I want to table that. Sure. Yeah, just because I need to since you're going into it now, I need to get my ducks in a row and have them ready with all the clips and all the information because I had the stack as you gave it to me in the topics first you wanted to hit. But I want you to remember what you just said and start over with what you were just saying because That goes to, they've got a 96% shutdown of new people coming in the border, better than he did in his first administration. So I've talked to Border Patrol insiders, they say A plus on that, but an F minus on finding these missing kids and on saving them. And so that's what's really paradoxical. How is Trump able to shut the border down and stop most of the new trafficking, but why can't they

11:16 you produce anything on the other side. And I know that Tom Holman and others are very, very frustrated. General Flynn's frustrated by this. You can get into the mechanics of why you're saying that's happening. So look. We first heard it was 86,000 children that were missing, that DHS misplaced and or some variety of DHS or HHS. And then it got broader and it was over 100 and something thousand. And I've heard numbers as wild as like 300 to 500,000 kids. The huge amount- Senate report, 350,000. We can't even conceive of what that looks like, right? We don't have a stadium, but a stadium full of children times four or five are missing.

11:53 and are just somewhere in the United States, God knows where. Or they've been, they've moved out. They've been delivered in most cases to illegal aliens, not even of their own race. By our government. And this was the big piece that RFK Jr. was talking about. So I had guys that were like Aaron Stevenson, I had Tara Rodis on my program early on, and they were talking about how, you know, if Sometimes you live in a place where they don't have Amazon delivery, and so they have this thing called like final mile. So they go to central hub, they send it all out, and then the last couple miles is delivered by this third party organization. And that's less and less the case now, but we used to see these. final mile. The United States government was the final mile for child sex traffickers moving kids from out of this country into this country and delivering them to groups that were actually trafficking them. That is mind-blowing in and of itself. And then you have this other problem. So you just mentioned it, so let's just hone in on it.

12:41 The mechanics of exporting these people, clamping down on the border, great. Like I said, I agree with you, A+. Like they're down to like what, 8,000 or something in February, where we lost like the ability to keep bringing these people in, fantastic. But what about the export nature? Because the numbers are tracking about the same as Obama for getting them out of here. So getting rid of the people that were already brought in, that's a big deal and it needs to be done. And then the second thing is, where the hell are the children? and if you're not getting the mechanical on the by in of the federal agents on the ground and they should all be on board with this stuff the left has managed to message so strongly that if you are interested in finding child sex traffic kids

13:20 who were dropped off with illegal aliens, then somehow you're going against the heterodoxy right now. It says you cannot be involved in that. So we actually have members of the FBI, federal agents, who swore a duty that is not specifically to any particular regime. They're supposed to actually be allegiance to the Constitution. They're saying that they don't actually want to go out and do this work. And they're being allowed off. That supervisors are saying, hey, no big deal. If you feel morally repugnant about serving warrants and going after people who are here illegally, that's fine with it. We don't want you to do something that's against your conscience. And for those that don't know, I remember having the Office of Police Chief in there like 10 years ago. He goes, yeah, we're a sanctuary city. We don't even really prosecute low-level crime because we don't want to scare them away. So, so, but oh, it's migrants. So we don't even look for kidnapped kids given to sex rings because it's immoral to go investigate migrants because that's being racist. And it's the same thing in the UK with the giant grooming gangs on record.

14:15 all What if you had a moral problem with going after grandmothers who were walking around inside the velvet ropes at the US Capitol? You lost your job, and I know someone who did. My friend Steve Friend was working out in Florida for the FBI, said, I don't think I should be on a SWAT raid because I think this is an unlawful use of our power. And they went, you're You're gone. And they took his job from him. They took his security clearance. They alleged him to be a threat to the United States government. So all of this stuff has already been done. We've already kind of pressure tested on the left, and they said anything the left wants to push down on the government machine, good to go. And if you try to push back from the right and say, you know,

15:03 Don't we all care about children? Shouldn't we actually find these kids? Shouldn't we make sure that people who came here illegally have to go back to where they started? Then apparently you can actually be a conscientious objector and you're going to be okay. Well, I think it should be a litmus test then by the DOJ and Kash Patel that if somebody doesn't want to be part of finding missing and exploited children period, their ass needs to be fired. I would totally agree with you and there's some precedent for doing that. That would be an insubordination charge and you can get rid of people for being insubordinate if they are disobeying a lawful order. And so the question is, is there a legal process that they are engaging in? Are they a representative of the United States government as a quote unquote special agent of the government? Well, here's another thing, I know Trump's kind of drafted federal marshals and ATF into the ICE raids, which I think overall is good. I even see postal inspectors out there. Couldn't there be an emergency where veterans with a good record

15:51 could be brought in and given a crash course to be like federal deputies to go out and aid and get this done. So the mechanics of bringing people on for federal service, you know, they can surge when they need to. They could bring on people in a short term basis. They could bring on contractors. There's a lot of different technologies or techniques they could probably use. And it doesn't have to be... Eric Prince had a proposal. Right. I mean, it could be private too, there's no question about it. So it doesn't just have to be 1811, which was my old job, you know, criminal investigators. You can have other people do the investigation. You could have people that are there to be able to handle. If you look at a lot of these pictures, by the way, Alex, what you'll see is like an ATF.

16:29 You know, with police on the back of it and somebody from ICE, somebody from DHS or whatever standing and they're always facing like a wall or away from the camera and then you see the subject or the suspect pointing towards you. If people go look on social media, all the pictures look that way. These are all staged for PR and messaging. Which is great. It's actually tactically really, really dangerous and dumb. I hope there's someone that's standing nearby that can tackle that, you know, illegal if that person decides to break bad and fight the person whose gun is right next to him. But I keep seeing this over and over again, and I had friends reach out and I was like, what the hell are they doing? Like, why are they turning their back on what the subject is doing? You never do that because the rule is once you put somebody in custody, it is your job to physically take possession of them and you're responsible for their condition. If that person runs while in handcuffs and face plants,

17:09 You're now liable for that. You're gonna have to write it up and you're also gonna have the government, you know, deal with their medical bill. So it's, it's... It's sort of crazy to see that as much as we're doing things that are good and the motivations are good, they're also really, really motivated by PR. And that's what you're seeing there, which is why when I push on social media, when other people are out there pushing on social media, when they're going out and saying, hey, you can do better and we expect you to do better, that actually does hit home with this administration in a way that I don't think the Biden administration cared because we were screaming our heads off. And they- Well, that's what I see. I do see public pressure. And sometimes it's misfounded, sometimes it's well-founded, but I do see the administration responding pretty much in real time to the public. That to me is unprecedented. It is. No, that's the thing. And it's good and bad, right? Because it's a populist regime, which means they care about what's popular with their base.

17:55 that's not the nature of how I ended up in this arena. I didn't come in here because of partisan politics. I came in because I'm basically I'm an independent concern. I understand. So call servants here with us for another hour and 35 minutes, but you brought a lot of important big But that is incredible stuff you just said. And so later when we get into more details on the child trafficking and just the horrible nature of that, the latest on Epstein, all those angles.

18:33 that's what we're going to do. We'll weld in what you just said now on to the front of that, because that's people really want to know about that. But I told you bring in whatever you wanted to bring in. You brought in a lot of stuff I'm aware of some stuff I wasn't aware of. You've done a lot of preparation here. So let's start taking it over from wherever you'd like to begin with all these other issues that you were explaining to me off air tie in together for the big the way I was taught to brief people. Um if people look here on the overhead cam, you probably can see it. This is the this is the notice I just got from Google. So this is brand new. This came in on Saturday evening at 10 23. By the way, it's funny. I sent you one of those on Friday that my wife got for your opinion in the next day. You get one. Yeah, no, thanks for that. I appreciate it.

19:14 So it's an identical notice. So this is something that happens. So I used to be on the other end of this and that's what's, I guess, the weirdest part for me. So I used to be able to serve process to people like Google or Meta or your cell phone companies and so on. And if we wanted them to preserve data and then we wanted to serve either a subpoena or what's called a national security letter, and that's a secret subpoena, or a search warrant for content or information, then we would do so. And then eventually, whenever we let the seal lapse, because we would go, hey, don't let the user be notified. I don't want Alex Jones to know that I'm in his emails. So we would ask that to be under seal for a period of time. At some point in time, either the case would conclude or we would bring out an indictment so you knew about it because you've been arrested. Then we would go out and we would let this thing lapse and you would get this email notifying you. So I'm just going to read it. It says, this is from Google, it's on their official letterhead. It says, hello, Google received and responded to a legal process issued by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. My ex-girlfriend, my former employer.

20:05 compelling the release of information related to your Google account. A court order previously prohibited, that's the thing I just mentioned, Google from notifying you of the legal process, we're now permitted to disclose the receipt of legal process. The agency reference number is as follows. And there's a number there, which is a grand jury subpoena that says GJ, so that's what we assume for that one. There's some kind of a subpoena. There's another piece in there referenced 2023R number. I don't know exactly what that means, but the odds are that this was served in 2023. So the chaos that I feel when I look at this is that my former agency, and I made a note about what the Stasi was, so a lot of people probably are familiar with that term, but it gets thrown around and bandied around an awful lot. They were the East German secret police, and they operated for 40 years, and they were responsible for three things in particular. Domestic surveillance, that's what the FBI does.

20:52 intelligence gathering, that's a post 9-11 FBI thing in a very big way, and suppressing dissent, which has been basically a post Obama era FBI mandate going after dissent. So we saw this stuff with the Twitter files. We saw this stuff happening under Trump's first administration where he was removed from social media. Suppressing dissent means we now decide whether or not you're allowed to have all the information you want, and we're gonna go after people that have contrary viewpoints. And that's what they've been doing to me, which you saw. We have that document from the Trump administration under Obama, national security investigation forever. Right? And so it's, of course, this is unrelated, I'm sure, that I think it's from my bankruptcy. They wanted to see what was going on with my wife. I hid something. Of course, I didn't. A, I don't do stuff like that. B, I'm not stupid. And so obviously they probably had a grand jury open. They were looking at something and then they didn't find it. So it's been closed probably, right?

21:42 In this case, yeah, and I'm sure in the same thing for your wife's case. But here's the problem. Well you saw I sent you my wife's notice. So that would be closed. What did you get from it? Same sort of thing as this. And so it's not national security though. It's criminal. Because grand juries come together to indict people for criminal charges. They vote either and give a true bill or they give no true bill. And that means that the person, based on the information presented by the United States Attorney's Office, in this case, met the statutory definition at least enough probable cause to believe that the... So you think it was a grand jury or just a criminal investigation of me? They're both. They're combined. So the alternative would be that it would be what's called a national security letter. That's the national security side. Those subpoenas are not signed off on by a grand jury. So there's no external party. Sure. It's FISA. FBI doing FBI, reading FBI stuff, and then the FBI says, yeah we agree with what we said. So the point is

22:30 All of us exposing corruption is to have a continued fishing expedition dragging that on us. Correct. It's just totally insane. Meanwhile, I am literally, when it comes to finances, a Boy Scout. But it doesn't matter, I'm sure, I wonder if it's going to stop under Trump or just get worse. We'll be right back. Well, he's a journalist and podcaster now and very successful. You can tell why. He's smart and can talk just like me. Kyle Serafin. KyleSerafinShow.com. KyleSerafin.com. On X as well. Again, we're not trying to even write ourselves into this story. It's just such a blueprint to show people how the deep state's been persecuting good Americans that tell the truth and expose corruption. So I send you

23:11 Friday this email that came in Thursday to my wife Google saying hey, you know, you've been under criminal investigation your emails have been handed over But now you know this investigation hold has been taken off. So now we're allowed to tell you I sent it to you I said to my lawyers I basically knew what it was. You said yeah, that's what it is And then you get one the next day. It just shows this dragnet and this hangover and the way that they've been brought into the game. From the Biden administration. We hope because there's still a lot of bad actors. Obviously they haven't ferreted out yet. Even some bad ones. They've been bringing in like one of the main J six FBI guys been brought into a senior senior position, but the best way to go over this is from your own story. So let's get into how they target whistleblowers. The anatomy of it because you've been through this is just one area. You've been

23:59 My backstory, which some people may not actually know, they've seen me out there and I'm like a jerk on Twitter, which is true. I'm a little fed up with a lot of people being gentle. I don't have a lot of patience for it anymore. And I probably should. I should ask God for a lot more patience than I have. But we're gonna go back to something. I told you it was proof that they have no problem lying. They is, in this case, the DOJ. We hope that it's just a hangover. There's a real possibility that you and I are both getting these emails within a few days of each other because they've lapsed on a 90-day seal keeping this thing up. And since Trump's been in, and since the new DAG has come in, since Cash Patel and Bengino are there, that they've said, hey, we're not going to continue keeping this under seal. That's the hope. I hope that's the case. Just like I got the Obama era right through now that Trump never knew about his first administration, national security investigation I was under. I mean,

24:43 Yeah, no, exactly the same idea. The hope is that you're starting to see some transparency. I know it's not going to be perfect and I know it's not even close in some ways. So we're going to go to the first video clip here. This is the first thing that I did. I was still technically catching an FBI paycheck, but they'd already told me that they were discontinuing it. So the first video clip is something that this is when I met James O'Keefe. I don't have a positive opinion about James O'Keefe because I've dealt with him personally and we're not friends. And I think that he operates improperly a lot of ways. I think he's also not a great actor. But more importantly... Regardless of my personal feelings about the guy, which continued back then, this is from May of 2022, I still feel like as an American, he has a right to go and do reporting however he sees fit, regardless of whether I like it or not. That's what I signed up to serve. So if we go to the first video clip here, it's going to be the beginning of what I saw as a reveal of some really, really egregious lies on behalf of the agency I was working for. Here it is.

25:37 So you've been a special agent for a number of years? Correct. Special agent with the FBI? That's correct. I've worked in counterintelligence, counterterrorism, I've worked criminal. What brought you to Project Veritas? Why are you here? There's a number of very troubling things that are happening within the FBI and I would say that the direction that the agency has headed troubles a vast majority of the agents. Project Veritas appears to be a victim of police political undertakings, which is where this agency has gone. You came across some information. Can you tell me a little more about that? The file that you're talking about is background on the Project Veritas investigation that resulted in the search warrant at your premises. There's a number of things on there that are alerting, and they don't necessarily make sense for the type of organization or agency that you are. First of all, what can you say about how

26:29 You came across or acquired this? This was given to me by a colleague who was interested and also sympathetic to the fact that it appears that there's a political vendetta against your organization. Alright, let's stop there. So, this is the beginning of the story for me, okay? And so nobody knew who that was, nobody knew who the person was behind that shield that they deleted the pixels and they altered my voice, which you guys could just hear. The problem was is that Project Veritas never was very good at hiding sources. I knew that I would eventually be exposed. That was okay. That was a risk that I took. It was actually, Alex, between the two of us, it was probably one of the scariest things I've ever done. I jumped out of planes with the army when I went to Fort Benning. I've done combat dive training in Florida when I went and got my bubble when I was working in the Air Force and swam in dark water, you know, like underwater two miles, infill swims.

27:19 terrifying stuff getting hit by sharks and things like that. This was scarier than any of that. It was easily the scariest thing I've ever done. And it was one of the few times when when I told my wife, I was just like, I was like, I need all the prayers right now. This scares the crap out of me. And then I had a personal kind of like a negative experience. I went there and I was stuck in a hotel lobby for 12 hours waiting for James to show up. Just pretty rude, not very good. So like I said, I'll play both sides. But what I do know is that if you are a person who goes out and wants to do hidden camera stings on people, and I don't like the way that he does some of the journalism, I call it grinder journalism or it's Tinder journalism where you're going on a date and you're luring people to say stuff to impress people to try to sleep with you, that's not great. But you still have a right to do it in America under the First Amendment as I understand it. So what I did realize

28:02 some time in, let's say, April of 2022. There's a story that we've got from Politico that's in your stack over there. And the Politico story quoted the Southern District of New York, which we know to be a very soft seat for government prosecution. They quoted them as saying that something to the effect of, there's no reasonable, I highlighted it for you, it's a couple pages deep in your, not that one, it's a couple deep. Yeah, that's why I was asking him to put me in the order we're gonna do it. It's just gonna turn into a drill where we do this. So, keep going, keep going. Any case, so essentially they said that Project Veritas was not a journalistic organization. No one would consider what they did, Politico right there. So the wild piece about that is, is there's a direct quote from the filings that they did in the Southern District of New York. And you can see that they highlighted, I highlighted a couple of different pieces, but the most critical was that they

28:51 the FBI did consider them journalists which was the nature of what that video was. I want to do video clip number two because the FBI was able to unmask that really quickly. Rather than saying, you know, holy crap, we've decided that a journalist who we call a journalist under the sensitive investigative investigation techniques, They basically highlight people that are in the news media. That would be you. That would now be me. Anybody who's in a podcast, who's an influencer, anybody who's a clergy member, anybody who's a politician, they get a little bit more scrutiny because the possibility of the FBI investigating them has more damaging effects on their business and so on. So they're supposed to be more sensitive about it, which means they conceal the file from everybody else. They went after Project Veritas and they did just that. They indicated they were news media, which you guys saw on the screen. If you do the video clip number two, you can see

29:37 that's a great question. I think we've talked about this before. I think, um, Project Veritas is unredacted that recently and we kind of had that exposed. I'll let you guys play the video to so people can see that was in fact me. I'm just kind of proof. Here it is. So you've been a special agent for a number of years. Correct. Special agent with the FBI. That's correct. I've worked in counterintelligence, counterterrorism, I've worked criminal. What brought you to Project Veritas? Why are you here? There's a number of very troubling things that are happening within the FBI and I would say that the direction that the agency has headed troubles a vast majority of the agents. Project Veritas appears to be a victim political undertakings, which is where this agency has gone. You came across some information. Can you tell me a little more about that? The file that you're talking about is background on the Project Veritas investigation that resulted in the search warrant at your premises. There's a number of things on there that are alerting, and they don't necessarily make sense for the type of organization or agency that you are. First of all, what can you say about how

30:38 You came across or acquired this? This was given to me by a colleague who was interested and also sympathetic to the fact that it appears that there's a political vendetta against your organization. And what leads you or him or her to believe that there's a political vendetta? We don't see a lot of investigations into news organizations. It's not common. The ones that are are almost specifically tied to threat countries that we would be investigating for intelligence purposes. To see a criminal investigation, particularly one categorized the way that this is, is alerting and it's surprising based on the public information that is provided.

31:35 Rather than looking and saying, what have we done wrong? How do we miscommunicate? And why are they making arguments in court that says somebody is not a member of the media when the FBI says they are? They turned around and they said, how can we find the person that exposed this document? There's nothing classified about what I showed there. There's nothing even particularly sensitive. That document, which came to me as part of a whistleblower channel, I'd already been removed from the bureau. I'd already been pulled from the office. They also told me that I was no longer an FBI employee and I couldn't tell anybody that. But I still had contacts as a former employee, obviously, because I was still had my buddies there. And I went to Jim Jordan's committee with that document and I said, this is problematic. I did so through my attorney and to tie this all back in Alex, I went through the Google email address that we have that the FBI was searching. So my privileged communications with my attorney, my whistleblower communications with members of Congress, my privileged communications with my wife, and then multiple different other attorneys, because we had lawsuits that were ongoing in the equal opportunity realm. We had another one with

32:31 with what's called ORAM. It's a whistleblower board where they decide whether or not you actually were a whistleblower. The joke of it is, though, is that it's done by DOJ, and DOJ is actually running that through the office that they recruit new attorneys. Nobody knows why. It's kind of like a sick joke. We had multiple different lawsuits suing Merrick Garland at that time, and the FBI got access to all of them. So if they weren't running them through what's called a taint team, where they have some people that are allowed to see stuff and say, okay, that's privileged or not, and the odds are. So the point is they're breaking the law left and right. In this case. And then here's another example. Owen Schroer, when they indicted him for being at the Capitol, they said in federal court, he was in the Capitol. a

33:23 Fantasyland level. I think people started seeing that over January 6th stuff when they were not giving all the exculpatory information. Those of us that were working in the FBI that had our eyes up were like, what the hell is going on here? Owen was outside the building with me, bullhorning saying don't go in and they're like, he's lying, he's not a journalist, he never worked at Infowars, this isn't true. I mean, it's crazy. And they put it in plain text. So for me to see in plain text the Southern District of New York saying they're not journalists, When I saw 60-minute stings, when I saw to catch a predator, and they consider those to be First Amendment-protected activities, obviously. That's why I went forward with what I had. I had nothing to do with the person that provided that document who wanted to get to Congress, which we did. It was my personal decision. The FBI decided, we'll shoot. We'll play video clip number three. We actually have, no one's ever seen this before. So I don't want to overhype it, but no one's ever seen this. This comes from the FBI's case file on Garrett O'Boyle, who is my friend, who is another whistleblower, who actually took the fall for that James O'Keefe video that I just proved to you guys was me.

34:22 They got rid of him. He's been unpaid on suspension for 1000 days now. A father. Yes, and by the way, he was going to be on today, but one of his friends and the military committed suicide. So he's dealing with that in the family right now. But I want to just explain this to people. He came on the day before Pam Bondi released the so called Epstein list that was old and he said no, we just got ahold of them through our people. She's now learning that she's been set up. She put a cover sheet on saying that. And then he came back on and said, yeah, they're going to be rating those offices in New York. And then they did. And then you're on a few weeks later, and you're like, yeah, they've sent out 14 terabytes, including all this stuff, all these new victims, which they then came out and confirmed. And then you said, I don't want to overhype this. So I mean, how do you overhype the fact you guys have broken major accurate stuff and

35:11 dozens of huge whistleblower things you did the right way to Congress and nothing was done. So much of the big stuff we know about is from people like you and Garrett O'Boyle, you specifically. I mean, it's just crazy. And then for thanks, you've got the FBI trying to put you in prison. No exaggeration there. And if you go listen to anybody talking about their issues with the FBI, and it doesn't matter whether you talk about the Weaponization Committee and Jim Jordan's guys, you hear President Trump say the same things. You heard Kash Patel say it in all of his, you know, in of his is At the end of the day, for my troubles, for going out there and telling people like, yeah, there's a lot of malfeasance here. And I tried to do it internally. I started my first whistleblower activity, Alex, in 2017. We shouldn't have FBI just a school board meeting because they're mad that trannies are raping kids in the bathroom.

36:11 You'd think, and here's the crazy thing. I mean, even if you were a bad person, hey FBI, that's really bad PR. It's really bad PR. The simple thing was, I didn't come forward and say the FBI can't do investigations into certain parents if they make threats online, for example. Which you could. What I said was, the Attorney General told the American people under oath that they would not be using counterterrorism resources to do so. They wouldn't be using Patriot Act tools. And then they sent out an email, which is what people famously saw in November of 2021, showing that there was in fact a co-signing by the national security side of the FBI, the counterterrorism division. So- Well, remember though, it turned out the Democrats, so that they wouldn't get caught, they sent a letter to the Democrat school board. That's right. And others saying, you make the complaint, so it doesn't look like it's us. Yeah, no, it was a union that basically approached the White House. The White House approached apparently the DOJ and that's when we got forward. So for my troubles, what they did was,

37:04 try to figure out who was this person saying these things and so that's what you have for video clip number three. Here it is. We're going to show you where they found that there was a jump. This was in that last exam you requested where they fixed the pitch shifting. This is what a voice looks like un-morphed. This is what the whistleblower's voice looks like morphed. It's called a spectrogram. You can see how this tone is lower than this tone from the host. So here I'll play it before we pitch shift it. Investigation operations guide.

37:42 Now it's pitch shifted. You can see now that the lines match up and we'll play the unmoored. Investigation operations guide. So that's basically all that we did and you can see how it matched up. So this is my explanation to you so you can see what we meant when we're showing a spectrogram and this is what a voice looks like. All right, bye. Okay, so people don't understand, you probably want to reintroduce as you said, oh this I don't want to overhype this, so this is big. This is the first time it's ever been seen. This is the FBI unmasking you, then doing a demonstration for those they're handing it off to, the technician, of how they did it and how they discovered who you were. Then they track back from you where you got it from and put that person on leave and haven't paid them. Now, recap it. This is big. That's the FBI technician.

38:36 who was down at the lab at Quantico evaluating my voice print speaking to James O'Keefe. So that's the article that you have sitting on the top of your stack. That's what they went and did. It took them 50, what, 57 seconds in that clip to be able to determine what my voice sounded like. The other crazy thing is, and we have a little, like an audio, I think it's number, audio clip number six. They started downloading podcasts that I appeared on, including the first one where I appeared with Dan Bongino. So what we did is, Gerardo Boyle's attorneys, he's not here with us, Garrett and his attorneys asked the FBI for what's called the agency file. This is the things that they compiled to justify the suspension of the man that hasn't been at work for a thousand days. And in doing so, the FBI turned over that voice print that you just saw, and it took 57 seconds for them to determine that that is not Garrett O'Boyle's voice.

39:25 he's from the midwest his diction is different every time he speaks he quotes scripture nonstop it's not my thing so that's just what he does we don't sound anything alike in fact all your listeners can probably hear this is what my voice sounds like that's what the voice sounded like at Quantico they said they had like a ninety five percent chance that they understood that that was the case They started pulling audio from the first podcast where I appeared in true name and in real voice, which was in September of 2022. And that is this clip that we have from Dan Bongino's podcast. For some reason, they didn't do the video. They just grabbed the audio because all they care about is the sound. But you guys can play. We got a few seconds of it. Dan Bongino's voice is recorded as evidence against Gerardo Boyle and Kyle Serafin. He is now the deputy director of the FBI. Do you know how wild a turn of events that we're dealing with right now?

40:11 Again, you guys are exposing their manuals, literally demonizing conservative Catholics as a main threat and expanding. Oh, white supremacy, that means anybody that's pro-life. I mean, you guys did a service bringing all this out. And instead, you've got them spending all these resources while they don't want to go investigate kidnapped kids. No, because they're too busy investigating me and my wife. And here's the other thing. I've know of five grand juries that have been open. I don't know of this new one. And I sit back and think, it's very Kafkaesque because I'm literally doing nothing wrong. And I'm always thinking, well, gosh, I guess again, they didn't indict me for something. But them trying and trying, this is intense stalking is what this is, is terrorizing people. Now, I'm

40:58 I'm calm about it. I love God. I signed on for this so I can handle it. But see, it's a message to everybody else. You don't want to stand up to us or we'll do this to you. And it doesn't matter that they've had IRS audits and federal investigations and U.S. trustee investigations and dozens of depositions and proctology exams and private detectives they hired. It doesn't matter. They just keep digging and digging and digging. Have you ever seen that meme where it shows a Guy with a pickaxe picking through the rock and he finally quits but right behind it's all the gold or whatever Well, there ain't no gold on the other side. So I just get concerned because they're very corrupt We know what is the point where they go ahead like? With Cheryl Atkinson's husband and go ahead and just try to plant child porn on me or something This is why when I put this out and this was over the weekend Suppressing dissent is the part that sits in my brain and bigger than that. Let's say people don't care about Alex Jones That's possible. They don't care about Kyle Serafin. That's okay, too. You don't have to

41:53 Do you care about the opportunity cost that you took agents, you took a grand jury's time, they only have so much time in front of them, you took United States attorneys, the federal prosecutors, and they sat there working on building a case that never was, that never existed. I had people from inside the Hoover building tell me, you need to look over your shoulder for the next three years, because they're going to come for you. And I went like, what the hell did I do? Like, what do you got on me? And they said, obstruction. Now, the crazy thing is, is one of the things that I've pushed forward and I said that there was improper treatment of people. Not everybody that was at January 6th was peaceful, but guys like Owen certainly were. They didn't do anything wrong. They were exercising their rights. Well, they tried to stop people going in. I heard it. I heard it with my own ears. So at that point, somebody decided, I don't care. I'm interested in the outcome, not in the process. I wonder why, because they came out in the Washington Post, they wanted to indict me that DC had done it.

42:42 I was like a 29 page article, but that Merrick Garland of all people killed it and I heard brothers do that was accurate So I guess once I have been but it got killed but imagine I'm up there saying don't go in don't go in and they were still ready to do it But then they still went after Owen. I don't understand I think that they they were they were trying to gauge how far they could push things when they could and So there's only so much you can do at any given time before you're going to upset the apple cart that incremental boil. I think people actually realize that during the COVID nonsense, when they said, we're going to do all these crazy things. And eventually people started going like, no, no, no, no, we're not going to be part of that. People was a test. Yeah. You, you, you see how high up you can turn the game before people notice that you're turning up the volume. If you went after an Alex Jones right away, that might be too big, but maybe you can get an Owen Schroer. I think they took a time and they eventually got Steve Baker.

43:27 who's a friend of mine who works at the Blaze. And so like, you might be able to get a Steve Baker, but they worked their way up to it. And so they took their time working their way to bigger and bigger circles to try to get the bigger fish. And they were able to put him in prison when he did nothing? That's right. So all of that stuff for me was an indication, like I said, the opportunity cost of spending FBI resources. But just personally though, what is it like for you, for me to constantly be under criminal investigation and I mean, I literally don't even speed anymore in my car because of it. I'm literally, like I've always, you know, not been a corrupt guy, but I mean for years I've operated like I've got a bit, you know, white glove inspection pass. And you know that you do because you find out that the FBI is looking into your email. No kidding. So you end up getting confirmation that this is true. So that for me was the biggest kind of like scary thing to find out is that they're willing to lie. And I'm going to have you go to the next thing that I've got on that little pile there.

44:18 We they're not willing to just lie about you and me. They're willing to lie against people who are doing things that are objectively good So the story there is a Tucker Carlson piece. We've got a little quick clip of it There's a guy named Mike Glover Mike and I haven't spoken in a while But after I went on Dan Bongino's podcast, he was the first call or text message that I did I reached out to him when I was in the airport in Miami flying home and I said Mike I'm about to be in the public sphere. I never wanted this the man in the arena. Same as you, Alex. Nobody can tell you what is right or wrong. Nobody who hasn't been where you are can actually give you any advice other than you're doing it. You're the one with the blood on your face. This is the Teddy Roosevelt, you know, sort of man in the arena. I didn't interrupt that. We didn't do it. Let's play the Bon Gino clip that's the from the FBI file on you. Then we'll go to this. Sure. First play the Bon Gino and then just and then just go right into the Tucker. Here it is.

43:27 who's a friend of mine who works at the Blaze. And so like, you might be able to get a Steve Baker, but they worked their way up to it. And so they took their time working their way to bigger and bigger circles to try to get the bigger fish. And they were able to put him in prison when he did nothing? That's right. So all of that stuff for me was an indication, like I said, the opportunity cost of spending FBI resources. But just personally though, what is it like for you, for me to constantly be under criminal investigation and I mean, I literally don't even speed anymore in my car because of it. I'm literally, like I've always, you know, not been a corrupt guy, but I mean for years I've operated like I've got a bit, you know, white glove inspection pass. And you know that you do because you find out that the FBI is looking into your email. No kidding. So you end up getting confirmation that this is true. So that for me was the biggest kind of like scary thing to find out is that they're willing to lie. And I'm going to have you go to the next thing that I've got on that little pile there.

44:18 We they're not willing to just lie about you and me. They're willing to lie against people who are doing things that are objectively good So the story there is a Tucker Carlson piece. We've got a little quick clip of it There's a guy named Mike Glover Mike and I haven't spoken in a while But after I went on Dan Bongino's podcast, he was the first call or text message that I did I reached out to him when I was in the airport in Miami flying home and I said Mike I'm about to be in the public sphere. I never wanted this the man in the arena. Same as you, Alex. Nobody can tell you what is right or wrong. Nobody who hasn't been where you are can actually give you any advice other than you're doing it. You're the one with the blood on your face. This is the Teddy Roosevelt, you know, sort of man in the arena. I didn't interrupt that. We didn't do it. Let's play the Bon Gino clip that's the from the FBI file on you. Then we'll go to this. Sure. First play the Bon Gino and then just and then just go right into the Tucker. Here it is.

45:06 Probably one of the most important shows we've ever done. If you've been a long-time listener or viewer here on Rumble or wherever you listen to the show, you know we've been focused on the role of the FBI and the DOJ in enforcing the new police and surveillance. We came across an interesting break on the Spygate case when a source contacted me years ago. We've come across a really interesting break here as well. We're interested in getting you the truth. We were contacted by a whistleblower from the FBI. It's someone who was very recent experience with the Bureau and Now the deputy director being spied on because he interviewed Kyle we're going to break here in a moment I want to wait and cut well you want go to the Tucker clip now here it is

45:53 Is there anything that we don't know? I mean, are you accused of an actual crime that you haven't told us about? No, so the way it worked is I was labeled a militant violent extremist organization. Thank God organizations like Project Veritas exist. They leak this information. an FBI whistleblower came out and said, this is indeed true. And not only that, but the FBI looked into Mike Glover's records. I'm a retired former special operations guy, a sergeant major, have a impeccable career, have done nothing wrong, have never broken any laws. And they went into my career, went into my DD-214, went into my med records. And luckily, somebody in the FBI, likely a FBI hostage rescue guy that I work with overseas,

46:38 Did a report and said hey this guy's on the up-and-up I don't know why you're looking in this guy but cease and desist and that's how the traffic was Verbalized on a forum within the FBI so it's not it's something that I thought was a rumor because I was getting Suppressed and deleted Cancelled off of every social media platform, but it wasn't it was actually something that was true. Well there I back stay with us all right now we're gonna get into The communist Chinese espionage that from my own research and you're experiencing it is the biggest and out of control stuff incredible footage coming up on that Mike Benz clips and more but you were tell us what the guy we were just

47:18 Playing on Tucker and then what else he had to say on Joe Rogan and why this is important Okay, so Mike Glover is a retired sergeant major. He's an American entrepreneur. He started his own podcast. So he's media. He's a business person He's a retired veteran that gave like, you know 20 plus years He also worked with the CIA as part of their global security group So all of the things that Mike Glover has done have been honorable the and why is he being targeted? Because he created something called the American Contingency, which started off as a locals group and it was a way for Americans to connect with other Americans and say, hey Alex, I've got a generator. You've got medical skills. That guy over there is a welder. We can all get together in our communities and solve problems at the lowest level and we don't need big government to come in and say... So the opposite of what a tyranny wants. They want no local community cohesion.

48:03 And what that resulted is, is what you see in that article right there from Project Veritas, which they created this thing called the Militia Violent Extremist Symbols Guide. Now in that Tucker clip, Mike attributes the FBI whistleblower probably to somebody in the hostage rescue team because he used to train FBI agents. And let's scroll down and show people the document and the article, please. And we're going to show both pages of it. Go ahead. This document is not crazy. It's not sensitive that much. It's under what's called LES or law enforcement sensitive It's sent out to every police department in the country so they can see what the threats look like the crazy thing This is a later version what I broke like 15 years ago the my the my report This is this is like every single year. They re-up this thing

48:40 But what's crazy is what's on this. So the FBI releases symbols guides so that people that are in local law enforcement can find out what an extremist looks like. And to them, under this particular document, an extremist looks like someone who has a Second Amendment flag or who likes the Betty Ross flag or has a don't tread on me flag. It's somebody who wants to be involved in preparedness, who thinks that Ashley Babbitt is a martyr. and shouldn't have been killed. So that's the thing, they have the extremist list and 30 years ago it was swastikas or you know Hezbollah flags and now today it's conservative Catholics. Correct. The wildest part is- They're always just expanding it. They're getting more and more extremist guys yeah because the key is the FBI is not hunting any one type of person, they're hunting their budget. They're trying to figure out how do we increase the ability to investigate counterterrorism, how do we- And let's just make our political opposition which the average person would say are the best

49:28 red-blooded hard-working Americans. Oh, we got a former special ops CIA guy trying to get local communities help people in disasters. We don't want that. How dare him try to organize people that there's nothing more criminal. And he was canceled the same way a lot of other Americans were. He was canceled from Shopify. So his business was shut down online. His ability to communicate and he didn't know where it was coming from. He went on Joe Rogan a little bit later and we got a little short clip there when I reached out to him and I was like, look man, this wasn't hostage rescue that went out there and exposed this stuff. This was like a regular guy working in New Mexico like me. I saw it and I was incensed because I listened to his podcast on occasion. I was playing the club paradise. So how did it come up that this was being labeled by the government as potential terrorists? Oh lord. Oh man. Um. Cause when I read that I was like this has got to be a mistake. Like this has got to be just a misinterpretation of what you guys are doing. Yeah, so I will say this. When I thought I was being suppressed and then people were like yeah but you know it's just your analytics suck or whatever. I was like yeah it's probably that. You know I was being optimistic about that.

50:33 Well, when Kyle Serafin, have you heard that name? He's the FBI agent who leaked the documents of militant violent extremists, MVEs, that were determined by the FBI of being people and groups of interest. I knew it was a reality. This just recently happened. This is probably six months ago. This just got leaked. So let's back up like a couple years. When I started a group called American Contingency, the idea for that group was coming from the issues in Chaz, remember Chaz? Like that little shit community. they basically blocked off.

51:34 that she was going to go after him. She did. I mean, just incredible information, but a lot more you're going to break, but we want to do the back story first in the first hour. The second hour with Kyle Serafin right now. Stay with us. We'll be right back. All right, Kyle Serafin. the most famous modern time FBI whistleblower. I mean, if he listed all the things he blew the whistle on once he started doing it, just like what? 34 years ago. It's just insane how much we know because of him and

52:11 you know, then I said, I know you didn't ask, but you're the type of guy that they should bring in the administration. And I know Congress has thanked you and some of the Republicans have, but you know, I've noticed, you know, some now, I mean, it's kind of persona non grata, but we can talk about that more coming up. But I really want to get into The Jeffrey Epstein stuff, the new things we know, Cash Patel's testimony, how he was killed, the 14 terabytes, what you're hearing about the ongoing investigations since they got the information two months ago. People get confused and go, well, they've had it for years. No, they just got this cuz the Democrats at the New York office were sitting on top of it. The head agent there that said we're in a bunker, we're gonna resist Trump. We're Marines fighting him, then he had to resign.

52:56 the FBI. I mean, it's a cover up. It looks like obstruction to me. You've been investigated. They threaten you for obstruction. The real obstruction is the head of the FBI in New York sitting on 14 terabytes of material with the commies daughter and. You know all the rest of it. I mean, to me, that's the big deal. And the big question is what is about to happen now? And what is the clock running on the 14 terabytes? When do we start saying there's a cover up? How does that really work? Why would Bondi and cash the news. I'm going to talk about. Latest stuff on Bondi. Is that a nothing burger? And I'm not attacking you keep he's done so much amazing work. I really respect him and he's he's he's had a lot of courage. You know, Kyle's had bad personal experiences and I respect you as well. So I think we're all men here. We're all big boys. We can talk about it. Put it out in the open, but later I'll get into this.

53:43 A lot of people got upset with me because I'm like, hey, I'm the dead man switch. He said Trump administration people, you know, Epstein, it's bad. Well, you know, it's not the family. It's not Trump. But you know, it's and so that's all I can tell you that I'm, you know, make some calls. People go, yeah, we hear it's Bondi. I don't say anything about that. Then I see his little trailer the day before last week showing her picture or still shot of her and I go, Oh my God. And then it comes out and it's her saying a little bit more than she said already on Fox News a few times that we have thousands of files, hundreds of new victims with Epstein. Well, files are video files. So files are a technical term versus video. And just quite frankly, people like, well,

54:22 You know, what is this Alex? You said it was super dangerous. Well, he he told me and he thought it was most dangerous thing and he said that in the video we put out so he has a lot of credibility with me. So I went with that. He said I was the only guy he gave any of these details to and we'll get James on to talk about it. But people said, oh, that's a nothing burger about the Prince Andrews fixer saying he knew he was abusing girls. No, that was huge. That was actually a big story. That was new. People said, oh, that's nothing either. So I think there's an overdoing it with some people saying, you know, O'Keefe hasn't delivered a lot of huge, important stories. I just respect him. I'm very thankful for him. But at the same time, the way my brain works is I can only

55:02 to explain something complex like this the way I see it because there is so much that goes into it and so yeah I mean I do feel somewhat burned by that just because the way it was done and the way it was implied I mean quite frankly I was ready if it was something really bad and was gonna bring it out because it was the right thing to do but I was more upset about that not from a fear perspective but because I love what Trump's doing and want to believe it's all real that I was actually had like basically an anxiety attack over a few days into it I mean not where I couldn't breathe and stuff but I was like sweating and having to lay down and like really freaking out my family's like what's wrong and I guess the public was like that too because they care they want to believe in Trump so I was relieved when

55:50 Bondi's just said a little bit more to a woman in a restaurant than she said on Fox News and I was kind of like, it's a very paradoxical feeling. I was relieved that okay, see Trump is good, but then I was also just very frustrating. I don't think Trump has control of all these people, nor could you. I mean, you know, you couldn't run every single thing that every one of your employees does. I mean, my crew is the best crew ever, but if they were making meth in a bathroom, I wouldn't know about it. I mean, and I've only got 40 something people. Right. Imagine Trump with millions. That's right, millions of employees. So that's, this is the nature and this is what I want to convey to people. By the way, we're not making meth in the bathroom. Please don't SWAT team us. It's an analogy. I mean, I mean the crew could have space aliens in the basement. I wouldn't know. That's a better, yeah, it's safer. They won't raid you over space aliens. They'll ignore you.

56:33 So the scary thing is that the government is enormous. The number of people, when we say they, and I've actually got a clip from Mike Benz to explain, we always say they or you use different sort of catch-all terms, but the question is... What is the deep state? Yeah, why are they like this? And for what it is, in my experience, and actually I absolutely love the background you've got going on right now for people that are seeing this. There's like smoking men and they're on phones. It looks like something off the, like a Dr. Zhivago or something. It's Dr. Strangelove. Okay, Strangelove, that's what it looks like. So anyway, but the best part of it is that's what people imagine the deep state looks like. It's a bunch of guys smoking cigarettes, sitting around a table, deciding how the world is going to work. And in reality, the people that we would refer to as deep state are more accurately called administrative state. And they're just a bunch of co-aligned interests. Permanent state. They are there forever. They outlast every president and they think they can do whatever the hell they want because who's going to come and remove them? That is your guy, James Dennehy, who was in New York that was holding back on the files and apparently got into a fight with Kash Patel.

57:26 No. Here's the problem. I don't want to blackmail anybody because I hate the way that works out, but let's be very realistic. The FBI has not been recaptured. Not in any meaningful way. The people that were bad actors in the FBI were not just a couple of people at the top and those people even haven't been removed. In fact, some of them have been promoted. The guy who was theoretically running the pipe bomber investigation. He wasn't actually running it, but he was supervising the field office. His name was Steve D'Antuono. We have a transcript of him talking. He independently brought my name up to try to discredit me in congressional testimony with Tom Massey. And we could pull that up or not. So he's a permanent state attack dog? Yeah, he's a guy. And so he's a thoroughbred of the bad guys. Why has he been brought into a critical position by Cash Potential? Why is Steve Jensen sitting there? And the argument went forward and they went like, and look, you saw people like Julie Kelly go out and campaign for him and other people that were saying,

58:15 they lost people like Bannon who were like, wait, what the hell? What are you doing? You're bringing in a guy, we call him a J6 warlord and it's a little bit of an overstatement, which is not my normal MO. But you brought in the guy who ran the domestic terrorism operations section, the one that was responsible. They brought in a globalist deep state henchman. I mean, one of the- He's just self-interested. Let's figure it out. I mean, basically he was a Democrat deep state ringwraith. He's the guy that decided that J6ers were terrorists. So one of your employees was considered a terrorist because of this guy's determination. He ran the domestic terrorism. Let's use a biblical, he was a Saul of Tarsus. Okay. But the bigger picture... You know, Saul hunted down the Christians. Right, understood. And before the conversion. I don't... The question is, do you have the conversion?

58:58 That's why I brought it up. Yeah. I don't know that you have. And the problem is the next argument is he's converted. That's what they'll say. Or maybe, you know, what do we need though? We need a moment on the roads of Damascus. Do we not? Yes. Did that happen? No. Was that public? Because I haven't seen it. I'm an evidence guy. Bring me the evidence that somebody has changed their opinion. What I know is, is that they asked him to go do one thing. He did it. Will he go be the hatchet man for this administration? Maybe. Will he just do whatever's best for him? But the But the problem is, is that he was the same guy that put out, he was at the same section that called Americans like Mike Glover a terrorist. And that group of people that went after J6ers, that went after the people internally at the FBI, that looked inside and said, I mean, there's the people that were trying to hang that around Trump's neck and put him in prison for it. That's correct. I have a sneaking suspicion, I would have brought this up to Trump, but I have a suspicion that if Trump learns about this, he won't be too pleased.

59:47 He needs to know. He needs to know that the FBI has not been recaptured for all the messaging and the branding and the capturing a couple of illegal aliens and showing the ice jacket and showing the, you know, the ATF or the DOJ or the FBI. That is not a solution. So the hope was is that we put two people in there that we're going to go after and gut this thing. I heard Deep State Museum on day one. Now I can take that as a metaphorical, right? I don't have to have a literal Deep State Museum. I didn't believe they would. But I got to see- I also heard they might have brought him, this guy in, like, because he's part of the New York Good Old Boys Club. So is cash. That's the problem. This is the issue. So I'll tell you this right now, and I wasn't sure if I was going to say it or not. I have a whistleblower allegation that's going to go forward against Cash Patel that he lied during his confirmation. And we have some evidence of it. This is not like in the void. I'm just telling you this for the first time. Oh. Like I have text messages. Now I just got another sinking feeling. Yeah. I hope it's a nothing burger like the O'Keefe thingy. The problem is, is I don't... Thanks a lot, Kyle. I show up with receipts when I have them. And I have text messages of him saying things

1:00:43 He didn't need to lie, but it sounds like he lied. No, at the end of the day I'm like you, if it's true it's gotta be said, but that just... It sucks. Okay, tell us about this. Nothing is worse than finding out the guy that you were campaigning on behalf of, which I was, to get him into the office doesn't, like, operate in good faith, which is what I expected him to do. So... Cash Patel came out of the New York office. The guys that he's moved into place are from the New York office. So you think they might be using stuff they've got on to bring their people back in? I think that they just, you just want to get along with the people you work with. Imagine if your crew hated you every day. What would you do? You probably would want to play nice. If you could fire them all, you would. But if you don't think you can get them all, then what do you do? So my concern is, is that guys- Well, that is the concern. Like Elon said, we voted Trump in as the captain, but half the people on the ship are mutinous.

1:01:25 correct. This is the this is that is an excellent analogy. The problem is a bunch of these people and here's you want to hear something even more interesting. Elon since we're just freewheeling here. I got a similar subpoena to the Google one. The FBI went after my ex account. It was called Twitter at the time, so Twitter Corporation, ex-corporation got that service. And they fought it in court. They actually filed against it, which Google did not do. And then they lost, and the federal judge out in the Ninth Circuit said, no, no, no, you have to give it over. So they did. Then they appealed it in Washington, D.C. So I actually have, and they may even have some of the documents on there, we actually have an ongoing lawsuit

1:02:03 on behalf because Elon Musk has decided to push it and his ex-corporation is suing trying to establish case law even though they already had to give over my stuff because of Gerardo Boyle and Kyle Serafin's ex-accounts, okay? And this is really crazy. But that's what I want to say about Elon. He's just doing it because it's right. Well, I was about to say people go, oh, you're groveling as a British guy. No, every time I turn around somebody's got America's back or freedom's back. It's him. He does. And I mean, I gotta say they don't have to go into this fight. Do you know who said that the government's position that I was a potential flight risk that I might witness intimidate or that I might otherwise jeopardize their case and that's why they had to keep it under seal? The ex-corporation lawyers argued against it. And the craziest thing that I've ever heard is that they said,

1:02:44 Serafin and O'Boyle are both potentially dangerous. They both might be flight risk. They both might be like interested in jeopardizing this BS case that they've created as as Elon's fighting it. Do you know what judge agreed with them? His name's Boasberg, James Boasberg. Who magically gets all these cases. Who magically gets that case as well. Is that not insane? I mean. But expanding on that, the Democrats filed in my bankruptcy that unlike other people, Jones is not protected by the 13th amendment. And we own his name and his likeness, which of course, I'd have to fight. No one ever even claimed that before. X went into court, battled that, and they backed off. And if people have any idea, by the way, the same law firms suing me are the ones now suing Musk.

1:03:25 Paul Weiss, all those groups. Of course. Yeah, no, all these people are like they're interested in outcomes. They're not interested in fair process. So this is what Bill Shipley had told me. He's a J6 attorney. And it was one of the things that struck home with me. It's what I signed up for. When I signed up to be an FBI agent, I didn't sign up to decide that somebody was guilty and I was going to go find out. What I signed up for was to do process that was fair. That's what due process is. Well, there's also enough real crime everywhere that if FBI agents were all angels, and magically only went after real criminals, they couldn't hardly deal with it. Much less, I know there's no estimation on it, but there's been guesstimations. How much, especially under Biden, of the FBI's time has been spent on the DOJ harassing patriots?

1:04:04 that's what they're doing. How much of their energy a third of it? It's the single biggest case they've ever done. They told you this. That's what it was. That's just J six, then broaden it out. They were doing things with going after pro lifers. They were like 95 to 5 going after indicting people and putting him in prison that exposed that they're keeping babies alive with beating hearts, selling them to universities. Correct. all of that stuff. I mean, they'll put those people to prison. I mean, what? And take the lowest hanging fruit possible. So we'll go with- Indicting the doctor that said we're illegally cutting eight-year-old boy's penises off. It's illegal, so they indict him. Yeah, so they go after Dr. Haim, who's a friend as well. Like, all of us have the same sort of instinct that like, look, what's right is right. It doesn't matter who does it. And if he's reporting a crime,

1:04:43 and then he gets indicted. And by the way, not by the state where his medical license was, it was by the federal government which came in and said he was a HIPAA violator, which is insane. And which is good as Trump... They shut it down. Yeah. Thank God. I mean, honestly, thank God. And that's what I voted for. Everybody has this thing. I voted for the border to shut down. I voted for inflation. I voted for eggs. I voted for gas. I voted for fill in the blank, de-weaponization. No, no, no. I voted for my friend Steve Baker not to go to jail. I voted for Etan Haid not to go to jail and not to be prosecuted for another million dollars and be bankrupt and penniless and in prison. Those are the things that I voted for. So Trump Trump already wins in my book like I thought if we got 30% of the promises we'd be ahead of the game and we're already there so like I've already won but I don't want this FBI to be more powerful and more weaponized than it was previously and here's the thing I actually and maybe falsely or like maybe Maybe naively hopeful. I actually believed in somebody there's a clip number seven that we've got up here It's the first 90 seconds. It's Dan Bongino with Kyle Serafin. Tell us this is this is the only reason why you know my name

1:05:42 Because I was perfectly happy being behind the curtain, I had my voice altered, the FBI knew who I was but nobody else did. I was totally fine with me. This two clips came forward and I had them sent to me by a reporter because I was giving information, whistleblower stuff that had gone through the proper channels and then my attorneys were sharing or the members of Congress were sharing and they were saying who I was. So all of that stuff, I was more than happy not to have my name out there because I didn't want it. Like I was a private guy. If you go Google me, you won't find anything before these clips went live on Dan Bongino's podcast. And you can play this clip. All right, here it is. This is an agency that has betrayed you. That oath you took into this man and woman who stepped forward and disclosed this horrific information about the FBI targeting a legitimate conservative journalist.

1:06:29 I applaud you. Today another whistleblower has come forward. I applaud you as well, sir, ma'am from the FBI who came forward with this data. Folks, we are starting to see it. People are starting to take their constitutional law seriously. Fox News, FBI whistleblower. The FBI targeted parents via terrorism tools despite Merrick Garland, our Attorney General's testimony that that didn't happen. To the FBI agent, male or female, I don't know who you are, who spoke to Kerry. I know, I get it, you want to remain anonymous. I understand. It's not a knock. But your country's on the line here. I'd rather you be anonymous and not exist at all and not do what you're doing. And I appreciate it. You have my respect and gratitude. But it'd be really powerful if you'd come out, come out and speak.

1:07:19 My podcast, my radio show and my television show are available to you. I'm saying that in front of this entire audience so everybody understand. You need a vehicle to speak, this microphone and I'll show you this from my, hold on, my Fox microphone that goes on my lapel. Those are here for you, all of them. You have my word. We'll get you the protection of the microphone. Okay, got it. See in your face. and so that's why it went public.

1:08:15 and I decided that I was going to sell my house at the same time that I'm on the phone with Dan. So I'm getting like all the stuff ready to go sell it. And I say, look man, I'm going to put my life in your hands. And so I need to know that you're gonna do the right thing with it and that you're not gonna, and he said, I'm gonna keep your story alive like an activist. This is not about clicks. It's not about money. It's not about advertisers. This is about doing the right thing for this country. And I believe him, whether it's naive or not. And I still believe that that's the guy that's sitting there in the FBI, but I don't think he has the ability to do what he needs to do because that agency is so captured all the way down to the frontline people who went out and did the thing that we're gonna talk about next, which is that my friend Gerardo Boyle was investigated by the people at the FBI.

1:08:53 And they went and lied. They sent a senior person in front of Congress. This is the craziest story that you've ever seen. FBI agent who testified for Republicans was suspended over leak sensitive information. That leak sensitive information was the video from Project Veritas that I showed you earlier. And I've proven to you that it was me. The FBI knew it was me based on the proof that we showed you with that voice. And then they blamed him. And they blamed him. He's now a thousand days without a paycheck. And Dan Bongino or Cash Patel or both could make him reinstated today. They could make the call and they could put him back on the rolls and start paying him back pay immediately. It would cost them nothing. And I remember in the news them talking about him and stuff. Now we're not hearing anything.

1:09:31 he's been outside he did the right thing he only went to congress we've proven that he never went to to any and i mean let's remember we could just go on on all the stuff that you brought out that he brought out that exposed so much that moved the needle massively for trump getting back in and then i guess now Maybe they're just too busy to care or maybe you guys aren't as cool as like the J6 persecutors? Let me tell you three pieces of information that makes me the most uncomfortable about all of it. Thing number one, early on in this, I wasn't asked to go testify during that testimony. That happened in May of 2023. I wasn't asked to go in front of the House, the Weaponization Committee, because I was told by a person who was close enough to Jim Jordan's office to be able to get like a message to me.

1:10:13 You're too politically hot. You're too aggressive about what needs to be done. So you're not going to be put out there in Congress under oath. By the way, Alex, if you put me under oath and you want to be a Congress member and ask me questions that are disingenuous and lies. I'm gonna ask you to be under oath too, because you notice those people lie and slander everybody that goes up in front of them. So I'm not gonna play nice, because I did come from that. Well, that's what I did in the J6 hearings that they destroyed. I said, you're criminals, you've already falsified emails to Schiff. And I said, and you're a crook too, you're a crook, you're a crook. So I said, when I take the fifth, It's not because of self-incrimination, it's because you'll lie and get me on obstruction by twisting it. That's why I said every time you continue to ask me that and if you probe me on it, I'm going to give you the same answer I just gave you that you're a criminal and you're a criminal and you're going to go to prison someday if there's any justice. Which all came out now they had to get pardons.

1:11:00 So I did I took the fifth 98 times and about an hour into it. They asked again I said, I'm gonna repeat it again. You're a crook. You're a crook. You're a crook. And of course, they don't like that They destroyed all that because you imagine not just mine, but most other testimony because they didn't like it They did not like it. No, no. They don't want to be held to the same accountability to the same people. It made them so mad I wasn't intimidated by them either. Okay, so that's evidence number one. Somebody from Jordan's office told a contact of mine, you're too politically hot to go out there and testify because we don't like the way that you play. You're not nice. Another person who's I've worked with... I

1:11:55 I've got this sinking feeling that we've got people inside the bureau at every level all the way down. Like they accused my friend Gerardo Boyle of lying in testimony. They accused him of lying when they knew that they were lying. Jennifer Moore is the FBI agent who was there. She testified under oath to weaponization. She committed perjury. So Patel and Bongino could pull her in. You guys are the ones exposing the war on Trump, the war on America, the war on Catholics, the war on this. And then everybody's supposed to forget who brought this out now. Because now it's time to protect things. We protect things by protecting people that tell the truth and have integrity. You'd think. But when you hurt feelings because you don't want to play for any team, and by the way, I don't play for a team. I'm not a registered Republican. I've only done that one time. It's because the woman that I was doing my whistleblower activity was up for a primary. I wanted to make sure she was the one that stayed there because that was my point of continuity. That's the only interest I've ever had in being a registered Republican. It was for a couple of months in New Mexico.

1:12:50 I'm an independent and I've always been an independent. My principles are what they are. They're not 100% aligned. I'm probably closer to like a libertarian. I totally agree with you, but there's also not by you, but a lot of people this over focus on keeping Trump honest instead of staying on the attack by the Democrats. When we see something that's bad, somebody bad, expose it, do it. But what I do is I sit there and engage. Okay, the Democrats are way worse. They're out of control. They'll destroy everything. So I spend most of my time on them. But then when I see things I don't like about Trump, then I come forward and I expose it as a way to help the administration and expose what's happening. Think about when Donald Trump was like, he was off on, I think it was like, I think it was amendment.

1:13:26 for the right information when he's Roger Stone always says Trump never makes a mistake if he has the right information. And a lot of times he shoots from the hip, which is a it's good and decisive talking. Yeah, at least he definitely shoots from the hip. Agreed. I agree with you on all those positions. I was OK. Let's move on now. I want to get into latest Epstein stuff. All of that. This is going to be Chinese espionage. Oh, Chinese espionage first. Yeah, there's so much here. All right, Kyle Serafin will be right back. Stay with us.

1:14:24 Alright, we've not been holding the most hardcore stuff to the end. on purpose. He just wanted to get into the updates, the background, all that. But I was just talking to Kyle Serafin, the most well-known, prolific, documented whistleblower exposing so much of the deep state's war on the American people. And Trump, this guy right here. But I guess he's like too, you know, truthful. So people are a little bit scared of him right now. And you know, that's really where the rubber meets the road. I serve the truth. I'm not trying to attack James O'Keefe or Pam Bondi or Dan Bongino.

1:15:10 All these things need to be scrutinized, they need to be looked at. Now that said, I'll still spend 90% of my time on the Democrats because they're really the bad evil force. But we are going to also look at things we disagree with and I think that's very, very important to do. So let's finish these other big stories and then I want to get into what you just told me during the break. because we've talked some on the phone and stuff, but there's so much going on. I asked you for an Epstein update. You broke major news in here a few months ago on March 26. And then now you just broke news to me during the break that was like a punch in the stomach. And I mean, literally, I felt like a punch in the stomach. And so I'm recuperating from that right now, literally. And so I'm just getting my nerves ready for this.

1:15:59 you know, you've been so accurate so far, and I just hope there's some reason for it. But we're going to recap what's happened so far. Get the new information here in just a few minutes. But you wanted to if you just tuned in, you we played a clip of why you finally went public with your name a few years ago. When Dan Mungino asked you on a show to reach out to him to go public, you did. And then now this turnabout from clip seven clip to now. Now what a bunch of you knows about grifters losers Zeros, you know people who do strange things with hot pockets in their basement when mom's not around There's a lot of what are you laughing at you? I try to do my best to try to you know, give people a platform But sometimes it goes wrong, you know, and I think if you've seen what's happening with this With this former FBI guy you see what I'm talking about. I mean, it's really a shame to see these guys

1:16:58 just go from, you know, whistleblowers to, and then I guess they fall in love with themselves and just get crazy. I don't want to waste your time with a big backstory, but I'm done with these people. They're dead to me. I've never seen a group of people. There's this group of people who just, I don't know what happened. Like they went on a few TV shows and just got obsessed with being lunatics. I mean, really like psychopathological lunatics and just started losing their minds. Yeah, that's me. What did you do? In the larger clip, does he say what you did? No, he skirts the issue because he doesn't want to talk about it. That's when it's bad. This person's horrible. I'm not going to tell you what they did though. Yeah, the big story was that last year, right in the heat of the election, the Trump campaign was trying to push forward a narrative that the FBI might have tried to kill Donald Trump, which is false.

1:17:51 I'm as a grown man in my 40s. Sure. And three kids and a pregnant wife. So I flew out there to go do that podcast. So don't make me defend the FBI. But when someone comes out and says the FBI was trying to tell Donald Trump that they authorize deadly force against him, the FBI is always authorized to use deadly force. That's what the FBI is. You're talking about the raid on Mar-a-Lago. I'm talking about the raid on Mar-a-Lago. It's the reason why it's so dangerous to use the FBI for anything they do. It's the reason why this

1:18:35 The subpoena going after my information or them investigating you is so dangerous because if they decide to come into your house at 0600, which is what they do, they're not coming like bringing coffee and donuts for you. They're bringing guys- Like the Roger Stone raid. Exactly correct. It's the same thing they did to the former president. It's the same thing- All you did was say that's a standard warrant, which I even knew at the time. I do think people, some people in the FBI and the- They should have used a consent- And the Secret Service- They shouldn't have done it. Did stand down in- a butler and we're trying to get him killed. I'm not saying they all were, but what about that? That's a totally different animal. That was, yeah, Secret Service, DHS, those things. At the end of the day, incompetence or intentional incompetence, you can argue those things, the two different assassinations, one of which is guy still on trial, which is pretty wild. But if you want to talk about serving a search warrant, which should not have been a search warrant, it should have been a request for consent. By the way, Steve DeAntuano, who's famously, he was involved in the Whitmer

1:19:29 a hoax. He was involved in the FBI's investigation of January 6th. He also said that the FBI shouldn't serve a search warrant there. So the guy who used to be the The top person in my field office in Washington, D.C. didn't agree. Apparently he was overruled by DOJ and they went out there and served the search warrant. But at no point in time did the FBI authorize deadly force to kill him. Sure, so why, that doesn't sound... It doesn't sound like a very balanced thing. The problem is... No, but how did that make him so mad that you had an opinion? I don't know. I still don't know. And you know what? That was the last time that he talked to me. He just like I got the message the same way people did on that radio show That's how I got the message that I was PNG'd. The problem is he's now in charge of the FBI I need him to be successful for the safety of my family for the safety of your family Yeah, exactly. My friend Garrett O'Boyle whether he gets a job back or not is irrelevant. We have a lawsuit We'll figure it out at some point. Dan hasn't liked me since he's come on the show all the time before we had a Fox show the last time he was on like 10 years ago or whatever it was

1:20:24 He goes, Hey, I want to talk to you before I go on. So we're during a break and he was like, he was on video like we're talking. He goes, Hey man. Quit saying I'm the source for your Secret Service information about Hillary Clinton passing out and falling down. And I said, you're not my source. It was Joe Biggs and the Secret Service in Cleveland and they got their numbers and then he would get it from them and he gave it to me. And Joe's talked about that. I said, hey man, I got that in Cleveland. She's having these seizures and look for a black ambulance, which they later caught in New York. A foreign camera guy, she falls down. And he starts going, hey man, I'm telling you, I'll come on your show. But I've had somebody break in my car and the administration's after me. So he goes, I'm gonna tell you right now, stop saying I'm your source. And he's got a little bit more aggressive. And I said, hey man, I just told you that. What do you think, you're the only former Secret Service guy in the universe? This is from the Secret Service. And the point is there was a black ambulance and she did fall down. So, you know,

1:21:23 And then later when it came out, they got this NSA CIA stuff that we were targeted 20 something names. He read on the air last year when he gets to my name, he goes Alexander Jones. Yeah, when he read it and I'm and I like Dan Bongino. So I don't know. I want to like him too. I mean, I don't want people like it. Maybe maybe he's on too much TRT or something. I don't know. At the end of the day, he's in a position to do something really important. He's running the FBI as a deputy director. That's the most... I told people... No, I just don't understand why he... because ever since then he wouldn't talk to me. Yeah. And I don't understand... Well, he cut you off, he cut me off. It is what it is. But the fact of the matter is, I still need him to be successful at what he's doing and they're not. They're currently not being successful. Okay? There are major threats in this country that the FBI can address.

1:22:05 Every single agent including all the management could every day go out there and hunt child sex offenders and pedophiles. And now you're going to have to stay a little bit the next hour because we've gone so long. We can't do 15 minutes on this Epstein stuff. Okay. I mean this is huge. Let's talk about it. Hold on. Let's just stop. And again, I understand from your perspective as a guy that's credible, a whistleblower, your integrity that you kind of get caught in the feedback loop. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm just analyzing it from my perspective that you just got to expose, got to expose, got to expose anything bad with the Trump people which I get is a value we want to keep them honest. I think people like Mangino's perspective he's good, he's fighting as hard as he can and he's sick of being second guess blah blah blah. I think that might be where it's coming from.

1:21:23 And then later when it came out, they got this NSA CIA stuff that we were targeted 20 something names. He read on the air last year when he gets to my name, he goes Alexander Jones. Yeah, when he read it and I'm and I like Dan Bongino. So I don't know. I want to like him too. I mean, I don't want people like it. Maybe maybe he's on too much TRT or something. I don't know. At the end of the day, he's in a position to do something really important. He's running the FBI as a deputy director. That's the most... I told people... No, I just don't understand why he... because ever since then he wouldn't talk to me. Yeah. And I don't understand... Well, he cut you off, he cut me off. It is what it is. But the fact of the matter is, I still need him to be successful at what he's doing and they're not. They're currently not being successful. Okay? There are major threats in this country that the FBI can address.

1:22:05 Every single agent including all the management could every day go out there and hunt child sex offenders and pedophiles. And now you're going to have to stay a little bit the next hour because we've gone so long. We can't do 15 minutes on this Epstein stuff. Okay. I mean this is huge. Let's talk about it. Hold on. Let's just stop. And again, I understand from your perspective as a guy that's credible, a whistleblower, your integrity that you kind of get caught in the feedback loop. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm just analyzing it from my perspective that you just got to expose, got to expose, got to expose anything bad with the Trump people which I get is a value we want to keep them honest. I think people like Mangino's perspective he's good, he's fighting as hard as he can and he's sick of being second guess blah blah blah. I think that might be where it's coming from.

1:22:48 Well, here's the thing. I think people lied to him. I think we got to. I think people lied to him and said that I said he was my source. Probably. And so he just doesn't believe me. Well, Dan, I didn't tell you about you or my source. You're not the only person in the universe. So you talk about Accusing Colby and certainly universe if I had to give a first approximation, I think that might be it So so you're accusing me of making you're saying you're the center of the universe to me. No, you're not We're making you that right now. I never talked about about Dan and you're saying you're the center of the universe and you know No, dude, that's what's happening Well, you know for a guy that used to talk about on radio all the time about projection which is a massive Democrat

1:23:25 problem. When Democrats come to me and tell me like, hey, here's the thing that I see wrong with you. I'm like, wow, it sounds like you should be holding a mirror up because you're talking about yourself. It's interesting to see something that sounds projected. And, you know, I've never fallen in love with myself. I doubt myself every day, Alex. Like this is the craziest thing. This whole thing has brought me actually closer to God, which is the weirdest because I'm so, I'm like you, I'm exhausted. I don't know how you've been doing it for as many years as you've been doing it, but I've been exhausted by this. I was staying in my parents' guest bedroom with my wife and I'm like, did I miss the boat? Did I screw up? Should I just have got the COVID shot? Should I just shut my damn mouth and just like ignore the boat? So you ask this question though, and then look at this every single time that that happened.

1:24:02 Somebody would call me up and say, hey, the deputy director of the FBI has a girlfriend and she's getting paid off the books to go do some job. And I go, are you kidding me? And then another person that I'd never talked to before called me up and said, hey, I got your number from this person. I go, okay, what can I help you with? And they're like, I know you're out now, you can talk. this is going on. I got reaffirmed that there was malfeasance at every level from sexual malfeasance to people not doing their job to all kinds of... And then you have a responsibility that now if you don't keep fighting it's almost like you're part of the corruption. I'm not giving up, yeah, like it's like... And that's what... This is what it is. They're scared of you because because they're trying to not be corrupt, but they're trying to get their job done. They have decided it's more important to stop the globalists and the Democrats than to self-police themselves all day. And I'm not saying the final equation, they might not be totally wrong. But because here's where I'm at while you're talking. I'm thinking about all the Epstein stuff I know, all the new stuff you just told me. And then I'm thinking, hey, print me that article from Friday I covered Saturday, in fact do it,

1:24:58 about how the George Soros law firms are in federal court with judges blocking ICE and the FBI and HHS from getting the location of the kids And shouldn't we be for the whole show talking about those law firms and NGOs and these judges? So see, it's not that I'm even scared to expose Cash Patel or Bondi or any of them. I don't think they're bad. My point is, is that at what point are we, are you, and I'm not saying you're doing this, we're being totally honest here today, spending too much time focusing on keeping them honest when we know we've got Satan incarnate with the Democrats and I've got dozens of bombshell things that you're an expert on that we could learn a lot that we can put pressure on the FBI and Congress to take action on. Here's let me tell you there's a real simple answer to that. I don't want to go to war with my team not prepared. I don't want to not have the team lined up and so if you were going to take an FBI and go after a lot of evil and there's- But you fight with the army you got.

1:25:59 You've also got opportunities to correct your personnel problem. This is a Dan Bongino statement. He said, personnel is policy. The people that you have working for you, because the FBI is not monolithic, Alex. Imagine if you had a bunch of satellite offices. and I'll just tell you very clearly, we came up with a program and this is me and a bunch of like retired former FBI guys who care about reforming the agency so that it can do the work that we want it to do. Because I actually do want it to do things like go after Chinese espionage inside of our universities. That seems problematic. And that's open and shut.

1:26:45 it's Xi Jinping is great and China is your friend. I mean Tim Walz, obvious long-term actual communist Chinese agent. I mean, there's not a law though that they can prosecute. So this is the bigger piece. Is our Congress even paying attention? Because there's not laws. I used to work Chinese counterintelligence. The number of laws you can actually go and prosecute for things that Americans would be shocked about. Imagine you're a Chinese professor. You get a multi-million dollar grant from the federal government. You go out there and you do all this research using like very classified or and or like

1:27:27 confidential techniques and then you turn around and you publish your results like you're supposed to fine you publish the public ones the American taxpayer paid for it the Chinese government gives you ten million dollars to come over to China do the same research and you get to keep all of it because you've already done the research. Tim Walz is in articles in the 1990s saying in the newspaper come with me young military and college students I will take you to China they will give you free stuff working for them is good he's doing public recruitment for Chinese intelligence operatives. That's what he is and his wife, literal communist. And it's not a crime. And meanwhile, the FBI is constantly with grand juries trying to indict me. I mean, it's just like what the hell is going on here? That's the opportunity cost. That's the issue. The issue is if your team is going to take the directive, we're going to go after the bad guys. So you don't go after communist Chinese, right? You don't go after the kidnapped kids. You go after the Trump family and call Sarah for the notions.

1:28:22 Yeah, and Gerardo Boyle and Steve Friend and a couple of other people who had the balls to say the FBI is not a good place right now. They actually had, we had a report that there were 300 special agents that were working inside the headquarters building simply looking at other FBI agents who weren't going to go with the program. You're going to have that. Let's just stop right here. You got two more things you want to hit on this other subject and then we got to get into the Epstein deep dive. The big, the stuff about him obviously being murdered and what's come out there now in the federal detention facility in New York. the the Pam Bondi statements investigation, the 14 terabytes that has been sent out to the field offices. Has anything been done with that? Don't tell them yet from your sources. And last time you were here, you were showing me the FBI guys telling you all this and it all came out to be accurate. But you even showed me I'm like dude, are you so so so

1:33:06 the new Royals Royce. All sorts of other. We got new ball caps. The other ones were great quality, but these new Richardson ones are just the Rolls Royce and low price. That's how you find unfiltered truth. Unfiltered people's ability to give you their opinion and their views with this broadcast. So thank you so much. The officer sort of calm and even if they shut this place down in fours I don't own the options for dot com. Our sponsor does their funding options network, so it's critical for that as well. The auction store dot com. Thank you for support. We got to finish up the other two points. You've got, uh, Let's do Mike Benz and then the Chinese espionage in the university clip. That's wild. I've never seen this before. Introduce clip nine. Okay, so Mike Benz, people may know him. He's at Mike Benz Cyber on Twitter X and he's fantastic. He's got one of these brains that just functions like beyond most people. What he's talking about in this particular clip is the whole of society misinformation slash censorship. This is the nature of the Twitter files. This is how our government, this is the they that we always talk. What did they do?

1:34:07 They equals government, it equals NGOs, it equals media, and it equals private sector. And certain people getting co-aligned interests, this is what an administrative state would look like. He breaks down in about 90 seconds something that everybody needs to understand so that when you're out there saying they to your friends and trying to wake them up a little bit, Mike Benz puts it out there. It's the reason why government is only one piece of it. Of course, the one I used to work for is part of it. All of these little groups, so you guys can play this clip, it's self-explanatory. We'll have it freeze frame at the end at about 90 seconds with the, with the graph, with the four pieces so we can kind of talk. Absolutely let's play that clip, here it is. Everyone should sort of brand like a cow iron into their brain somewhere which is this concept of the whole society censorship framework. Now they will call it the whole society counter misinformation or counter disinformation framework but it's censorship. They're not countering it through speech, they're countering it through remove, reduce, and form all censorship techniques. Now the whole society framework is

1:35:00 is getting four different categories of institutions to all work in concert with each other as if they are one, the nucleus of a single cell. And that is government institutions, private sector institutions, civil society institutions, and news media and fact checkers. This is not my framework, this is theirs. I can play you a 20 minute super cut of them invoking this like a mantra. It looks like a weird scene out of Eyes Wide Shut when you hear them all get in their incantation, whole of society, whole of society. But just to flesh out for example what this means in the US context and I guarantee you in every country of your concern you will see this exact same phenomenon with this exact same constellation. Just substitute the names for the government agencies for example.

1:35:46 On the U.S. side, in the government, as I mentioned, you have DHS, FBI, DOD, Department of State, National Science Foundation, which is basically just the civilian arm of the Pentagon. You have specific agencies that are now given, as part of their democracy mandate, censorship of their particular field of expertise. For example, you'll have misinformation grants being given out by the Department of Energy or you will have COVID censorship grants being given out by our Health and Human Services Department. You now have White House coordination of this with the Biden administration. That was something that was not there during the Trump era, but that is now something that we're dealing with. On the private sector side, these are the tech platforms. are good.

1:36:43 And what a deep state is, which Mike is talking about, he calls it the blob, I think it's a good analogy. These people are embedded. There are people that are in the social media, they are in the actual media, they are in the private sector. They are the ones that are serving that Google search warrant and they didn't push back and they didn't say, hey, maybe we should go and file a lawsuit like Elon Musk did. All these people work together with co-aligned interests. So if you come in and take over and you're HHS, you're RFK, you're Cash Mattel, you're Dan Bongino, you're Pam Bondi. If you do any of those things, you step into those spaces and you have a team that's working against you and has been working against you since the beginning.

1:37:19 You're not fighting against the Trump administration when you tell them, hey, you guys got a really clean house in there. You got to get your people on board. Well, that's the thing they admitted they really got mad at me about when Trump first got in is I would talk to him some and he would take action on it. I'd send him documents and got reports to him. They had headlines. The chief of staff's job is keeping Trump away from Alex Jones. and now they've got a much bigger problem now they got Elon Musk everybody else in the air so that's it what I agree with you what you're doing telling the Trump administration about where there's problems in the bureaucracy is not attacking Trump he's you're you're you're attacking the mutinous groups that's it that's all it

1:38:08 And I said, they better not. If they have constitutional principles in mind, then that's not an option. The government is interested only in the process, not in the outcome. They shouldn't be interested in whether or not Owen Schroer goes to jail. They should be interested in whether or not he has a fair trial and all the information was shared properly. We know that didn't happen. So we know that there's a problem there. We understand that that nature is, is, is- It was a blatant exercise of public fraud. That's right. I mean, it was like, like I said, cartoon-like. It is cartoonish. I mean, he did nothing except help people on J6. They don't go in and they go, he doesn't work there. He went in, he attacked jail, jail, jail. We're gonna come back with the China espionage. Then we're going to hit the big Epstein stuff. Get ready, folks. So where do we put our energy? Kyle Serum and I were just talking about during the break. And so we really just

1:38:57 I tell you my thought process here on air. He does as well. Our other guests, too. And this is really about a war game about society and civilization, discovering how things work and then getting people informed about those issues. In this short segment, when I get into the Chinese espionage, we do an hour on, but we need to do the deep dive now on huge breaking Epstein news from you. More massive exclusives coming up in about five minutes. But Just a quick nutshell on the Chinese Confucius Center's Chinese espionage. I have some of those are sometimes going, oh China's not an issue. It's all Israel. It's not about a defensive Israel or MI6 and the British. They're up our grill too. Or the big corporations, the corporate intelligence. They don't call it that, but that's what it is. But I mean, China is the Godzilla. I mean, it's the trillion pound elephant, right?

1:39:44 100%. Yeah. There's two major US counterintelligence threats that have been out there for as long as I've been paying attention to it, China and Russia. Russia punches above its weight because it has the USSR sort of infrastructure behind it, but the Chinese are the ones that are running 100-year plans. They do not screw around. And what's crazy is that when we had actionable counterintelligence cases against against the Chinese. I had whistleblowers come to me and say help me get to Congress. We need to report that the DOJ under Merrick Garland will not actually prosecute. And it's very rare that you could prosecute because the laws are not in our favor. The crazy thing is the Chinese 100% have structured all of their society, all of their capabilities towards

1:40:27 their interests. They don't play around, they don't have to pussyfoot about anything, they don't have to make like a dissenting group, you know, sort of placated. That doesn't happen in China. So there are laws that require that everybody that has a server in China has to make it available to the Chinese government through a backdoor. So the whole thing is weaponized and then meanwhile just came out from the trade deal that the Chinese told, what we already knew, told the trade secretary, hey, even though Trump got some good trade deals with us and Biden kept him in, he told everybody not to enforce it. show it's literal treason. Look, the Chinese look out for their interests 100%. They always do. They're not going to go soft and they don't have to because they don't have to worry about a dissenting population in their own country. This little clip from Ashley Moody, who I didn't know very well. She's the junior senator from Florida.

1:41:15 This clip goes hard and it's worth watching because when I saw it earlier today, it had 14,000 views. This is coming from something that was on, I think Newsmax. It's worth listening to because I didn't know that the Chinese mandated that the students that come here, I knew a lot of them were spies, they have been, they've done espionage type activities. I didn't know they mandated every single person that came here as a student to be able to report back to the CCP with intel. I did know that. By law in China. She's talking about this. Go ahead and play the clip. And this should shock no one. So the report came out, it said right now in the United States of America at one of our universities there is an organized orchestrated spy ring.

1:41:58 To put this in perspective, when I got here I said, when I was told that there was a Chinese law in place that required Chinese nationals, including students that come to the United States on visas, and by the way we take 300,000 Chinese students a year into our universities, There's a law in the books that says they have to provide intelligence gathering and information to the CCP. We also had information in Congress before I even got here that they were setting up these programs to organize spies and push them into our universities using visas. And when I got here and realized that there was no law stopping the visa program, even though we had that information, I immediately launched a bill that would end visas for Chinese students. Now, nothing against Chinese students that want to learn, but if you have a government that is enlisting them and not just enlisting them, requiring them by law under penalty to be espionage agents when they get here. Absolutely. When it's stated that they are sent here and their families will be put in jail if they don't do this, then by extension,

1:42:58 you have to have China change the law, which I'm willing to follow. You just can't have America. Well, you can't have China change the law. What you have to have is our Congress actually act in favor of America. We keep seeing Democrats not do that stuff when they're doing the DHS. They're standing out there and fighting ICE agents for deportations. It's because it doesn't like this is why I'm willing to focus on the inside of the House, because they seem like they're in such disarray. End of the day, if we're not actually passing laws to be able to defend Americans, then we're screwed. And it's nice hearing- Well there's also a weird populist right-wing trope that, oh don't even focus on China, they're not an issue. I mean that's ridiculous. Totally ridiculous. Totally penetrated everything. We'll be right back, stay with us. All right, the most well known, most prolific and most proven accurate FBI whistleblower, Kyle Serafin is in studio with us and we know why the Democrats hate him and fear him and we know why even, you know, some in the Trump administration are concerned about him because they know if he thinks something's wrong and he gets information, he's going to talk about it and people know they can go to him and he'll get it out after he vets it.

1:43:59 So it would take hours to go over all the things he blew the whistle on that we now know about the Christians being targeted Catholics parents going to school board meetings parents upset about their daughters getting raped by transgenders in the bathrooms This is a guy that exposed that and then so much more the documents targeting Christians conservatives people with gas and flags as terrorists this guy and he's become a kind of a focal point in a clearinghouse for other whistleblowers and so He got Garrett O'Boyle, a very well-known, respected whistleblower who's proven incredibly accurate as well, to come on the show a day and a half before they released the first so-called new Epstein stuff that Pam Bonny was given. And he said on the show, just this morning, my sources in the FBI have talked to her people. They're going to meet with her tonight. They have not been given everything. My people are inside New York. You can go pull the interview up. They're inside New York.

1:44:58 and they, inside the New York FBI offices, and they've seen the stuff, and they know there's a giant amount of it, and they are going to let her know. Boom! They get to her. She's already having the event. She puts a cover sheet on and says, I've been lied to. This is not everything. They have 24 hours in New York to at the FBI offices to give us everything they have or we're going to go get it. 24 hours elapses. They didn't even wait. Soon as 24 hours elapses, the next afternoon, they're there. Bunch of agents go in, they grab it. Okay. Everything O'Boyle said happened like he had a time machine. Okay.

1:45:36 And he's talking to the other FBI agents that have credibility, okay? And he's also a combat veteran, Army, whole nine yards, great guy, big Christian. And the real deal. And so that happens. And then a few weeks later, in March 25th, Kyle is on the show and they're both friends. And it was Kyle recommending we get him on. And I'm like, hey, is this for real? They're really doing something? Like Bondi says that they're investigating and they're investigating the new information she got. He said, yeah, I've talked to people in D.C. and some field offices. It's been sent out, and they've got it, and so it's there. And so that's, paraphrasing, he said that's a good sign that they would not hold onto it like the Democrats did in New York sitting on top of it. Now he's here months later, and we can put on screen, again, the March 25th headline from X, archived right there, 3.9 million views. That's just a small clip of the hour and a half interview. Go watch the whole thing. It's all bombshell. I ask him,

1:46:36 a few days ago and you said well doesn't look good but I'm going to look into it some more talk to some sources. Then I go oh hey during a break about 30 minutes ago or an hour ago I said hey and you said hmm and we're going to get to that which is not encouraging but we have a responsibility folks not just be cheerleaders here so that something does get done and all these other people have gotten really mad at me going oh they've had years they've thrown it away blah blah they've had this forever yeah they went and seized it okay and Then it's been sent out in March. So that was a good move. And I said, so the jury's out. We're going to see what happens. You got Pam Bondi saying, hey, you know, there's a videos and abuse and all these kids, hundreds of more victims, you know, that's encouraging. And then you've got James O'Keefe's whole investigation. And we'll give you our take on that. And then separately, separate from Epstein,

1:47:33 What about the 350,000 missing kids many in sex slavery many of them in physical slave labor even the New York Times admits that Why is nothing happening there? Well, they had it where they had Border Patrol erase where they came from. They just have a letter with a phone number, usually to some literal cartel member. They had to then call that person and give that kid to whoever. Then HHS, whatever record there was, would get it to compartmentalize it. You saw Kennedy a week and a half ago say that and say, we're investigating it, we're going to find the kids. But they are not letting these agencies communicate. Then, the reason I bring this up now is we're going to look at the FBI and look at Pambani and look at Kash Patel.

1:48:11 But while we do that and while this gets millions of views right now and millions later, to me, that's important we focus on this. But also things like this. Soros groups try to stop Trump anti-child trafficking measures. This is the InfoWars article. Here's the Breitbart. Soros link groups sue to stop Trump's migrant child trafficking crackdown. Well, it's not link groups, his son runs them literally, he's the main funder. Soros back organizations spearhead legal battle against Trump's deportations. No, specifically, they're blocking the kids went between the different agencies and HHS is Kennedy said. So Kenny says they're trying to get all this linked up with the feds.

1:48:50 that's what I'm talking about. Soros law firms, Democrat law firms are in there suing with handpicked Democrat judges to block it and wait for that the next week. I predict you will see them call it all blocking deportation. No, it's finding kids. In America that the FBI estimates have like 36 months to live, which I find that's crazy if that's true. So this is the big and it seems like it's doing a better job in the FBI actually trying to do this and HHS trying to do a better job and Kennedy pledging that they're on it and saying it publicly without prompting. So that's a good thing. You're not covering up if you're prompting and saying, here it is, go here, here's the problem. We're going to spend time on the FBI and Pam Bondi and Trump.

1:49:38 Then we also need to understand this is the elephant in the room right here. You gotta go to infowars.com and read these articles. Look at this with the HHS whistleblowers, with the DHS whistleblowers saying they literally give them a phone number. They literally give these kids of men that aren't even the same race or nationality. A lot of them, in fact, the majority are literally illegal aliens themselves and have other criminal records. This is premeditated finishing the the board of the board of the board of the trafficking chain as the as the union heads have been saying for years. And the spokespersons for the board patrol have said. We don't like being the final mile delivery guys, you said it's all in these articles. White glove delivery of the Children not doing the DNA testing, not losing him, disappearing them and covering the trail. And then Tom Homan and Kennedy are getting together with their

1:50:31 the kids are in there. So you ask where the kids want the finding them. This is why and if this isn't racketeering, if this isn't criminal, if this doesn't piss you off, I don't know what does so we're going to hit all the latest Epstein. You're inside Intel. The terrible news you've got that's important to get out so we can turn into good news. But this will be viral when I covered this last Friday and Saturday. You know, I could cover some silly thing and it gets 30 million views yesterday. Not silly, but you know important, but nothing compared to this. Clearly they're hiding stuff and it looks like, you know, cocaine and and and Starmer and and uh Macron, you know, that's one clip 30 million views. Another one 10 million, another one 5 million. I covered this last Friday and begged people to get it out 200,000 views. Okay now a couple million are watching it live, but but

1:51:19 I'll tell you what I'm doing right now. I'm inserting the stuff that I think is actually key into this because no one's going to care about them red-handed trying to protect the kids they smuggled and are raping to death. They're just going to care about being holier than thou and making sure Trump stays honest, which is good. Needs to be done. But I'm just saying let's spend 30% of our time on the Trump admin But this is being good, but this is the Trump or bad. This is the Trump admin trying to do something good and being blocked by known supervillains like George Soros and his demonic sons network. So that's my rant Kyle. Let's speak to this first and your take on this and then we're going to get into the big enchiladas. Only the enemy can tell you where he is strong, where you are weak. Napoleon said never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake.

1:52:03 When you see lawsuits, when you see lawfare, when you see media coverage in a specific space, particularly like this, where money and energy and resources are being directed. They're scared. That's where the problem is. What you don't see is that trying to stop anything about Epstein at the moment. You don't see a lot of people crying on the political left. I read the left almost exclusively. I actually don't even care what the people on the right have to say for media because I want to see what the hype is coming from the other side. I want to see where they think the problem is. The flag. Yeah, what flack are you catching? Who's freaking out about what you're doing? What we do see is freaking out about Robert F. Kennedy when it comes to things about health, when it comes to things about trying to reform. What you see from the push on the right is where people are saying, I need to see more from this administration.

1:52:43 Epstein is really low-hanging fruit. It should be an easy move for the FBI to go in and say we have all of this data, we have all this information, we have indictments pending, we have people working cases in every place where they are, and that is not currently coming down. That's terrifying. That's a problem. But when you look at the volume of the children here, like I said, it's incompatible with our ability. So you're going where I'm going. This is what I've said to listeners. I've seen some on Exco. Jones doesn't want Epstein looked into for Israel. I suppose it was Israel involved the first. 18 years ago. My point is, that's old news, it needs to happen, it's a bunch of powerful people, they're slow rolling it. I'm talking about hundreds of thousands of kids now that need to be saved, so I'm asked the question, what should the priority be? And I think you're saying it's the kids. So we touched Project Veritas earlier. There's a guy named Aaron Stevenson, he's a friend of mine as well. He was working at DHS. He identified that kids were getting dropped into the hands

1:53:34 of transnational organized criminals. That means people coming from violent gangs, cartels and or MS-13, you know, TDA, take your pick. He was- Tara Lee Rodos right here. Tara, I've talked to Tara a bunch of times. Like both of these people came forward. They both came forward because they saw that the federal government whistleblower channels are broken. So when I tell you that I want to see reform within our government, it's so that the people that know the truth, guys like Aaron, people like Garrett, people like me, people like Tara, they need to be able to have a channel where they can go, look, This is broken, this is jacked up, and by the way, the cost is only, I don't know, 350,000 children? Like, that's an insurmountable number. That's the number that they were ordered to disappear. The Border Patrol estimates 1.1 million in the last four years. They always say that everything that we can measure when it comes to illegal immigration, multiply it by three, that's probably the real number. Because they catch about a third. They move about a third. So two-thirds came in with coyotes, got handed off to somebody. I believe that 100%. But where do you put a million kids?

1:54:31 Where do they go? And why like this should be the you shouldn't be able to swing a dead cow. I mean, I know where they are. Particularly James O'Keefe. He's gone exposed it. Anthony Rubin, all of them. They got you 8000 names, Anthony Rubin's people, Muttrecker. And they went to hundreds of houses and found some of the child sex slaves. They knocked on the door and found them. So the question is, is it shooting fish in a barrel? I drive around sometimes in the bad parts of Austin. You'll see middle of the day, weekday, a backyard with a bunch of disheveled looking kids. and then you can literally pull over and ask and yeah, oh this is a foster home. It's right there. Home they call it. Yeah, and then literally creepy dudes driving around in vans. I mean it's shooting fish in a barrel. When I used to work in DC, we were on a surveillance team. One of the things we would do is we'd watch MS targets and what you'd see is guys come in and they were also illegal and they worked in the construction trade. We could find them very easily and then they would go in and they would go into what

1:55:19 appeared to be a brothel. Like we wouldn't see the girls in it because they were really good about hiding it. But they would be regular dudes coming in and out. They're working age males between the age of let's say 18 and let's say 35. Listen to this, I don't know if you've seen my footage. Every time we went to the border the last four years, it literally buses cars. There'd be weird, creepy, pedo-looking dudes going on here. Why are you asking about kids? I'm here to pick up little girls. And we had an inside undercover local cop from the jurisdiction next door She starts asking questions, but he's in there demanding, I'm here to get two little girls. I've had to agree, here's my paperwork. And then at the Catholic charity, and then he runs out and confronts us and gets in our face. And then literally they're loading little girls in vans with creepy dudes and disappearing. And my problem was, I wanted to, you know what I wanted to do? I mean, you are watching real evil, right?

1:56:08 No, there's, listen, it's in every American city now. So there is no excuse. I don't want to hear it's everywhere from Bongino or anybody. Okay, we're doing it all. We don't want to hear it. We're in the meetings every day. I can take you in an hour in Austin. I can take you to McAllen in five, six hours. We can fly there. I can take you in an hour and a half right to it. Well, let's we have I've done it. They came out and they were parading the victory the other day. They said we did Operation Restore Justice. We caught like 200 pimps and sex traffickers so you can do it. You've proven you can do it. Why is that not a full time operation? Why is that something that they do only one week? By the way, that's what it is. It's a week where they focus on it in all the field offices. They get some really positive press. They've been doing it for 19 years. The FBI used to call it Operation Cross Country. Changing the name is irrelevant. The PR and the branding is irrelevant. It's a it's just it's a

1:56:59 What I'm saying is, I understand that it was dismantled, they got to scale up. I'm just saying if Muckraker can go to hundreds of houses with five people. It's under-resourced by the Bureau. It's under-investigated. It's understaffed. And what we know is, is under the Biden administration, they took people that were doing that job and made them go after... I could have gotten arrested for this. And finally, my security guys, I've run into three or four cars, said, you got to stop. The cops are going to arrest you. I was not trying to act tough. I literally saw these people in taxis loading five, three or four little kids in. We'd fall in the airport. They'd have almost no paperwork, a piece of paper, and they just load them on an unmarked aircraft. I know, that's right. I've seen Hernando Arce out there doing stuff in front of that exact corner. I've seen guys from Rio Grande Truth do that. I mean, the sad thing is, is that private investigative and private, like, independent media journalist types can go out there and find this stuff like that.

1:57:49 How can our best resource asking for another billion dollars not do it? And that's where my big problem is. If you go to McKellen now, it is 90 plus percent down. But the point is, like you said... That means they're all in the United States already. And they can be found with your eyeballs. they're not going to school, folks. They're in factories. You know, 11 12 13 14. They sleep in those cereal factories. Tired factories has come out. They've done it in meat processing. So what they'll do, and this is what people don't realize. You're like, Well, how go go to South Texas. Go to go to Illinois. Go to Michigan. Go to North Dakota. Go into a small town, midsize industrial town. Drive up. You'll see the portable buildings. You'll see the little kids. You'll see the teenagers. You'll see there's not parents there. You'll see the sick people

1:58:57 We're going to go over the background of this now and you'll give us the new information, but put it back on screen. Kyle, the 25th broke the 14 terabytes showed me where it showed me it was true. I didn't even ask to know that I believed him already. And then and then and then now here we are. And now he's ready to give you a major update. So let's skip ahead to the big announcement. Then we'll unpack it in the rest of the hour. So call Sarah Finn, FBI whistleblower. You have the sources in the FBI around the country. Months ago, They got the 14 terabytes that Bondi now admits is Epstein raping hundreds of children and more. And obviously some of these other men are gonna be identifiable, show the fact that we haven't seen indictments so far. But well, you've got the big news, I asked you.

1:59:41 I said, so have you heard there's big investigations? Have you heard it's being worked on now? Because you know, I can see that taking months and months more and you told me something horrifying. Tell people the big news. Yeah, I don't hear anything about it. It doesn't sound like people in the field office are getting it. The people that I heard getting that information were getting it out of headquarters to do the redactions. same stuff Pam Bondi was talking about going through tens of thousands of hours. I don't know what number of hours it is. I have no idea. So explain the mechanics. So hopefully then they've got administrative people redacting, but then who's going to investigate it? Look, the way the Bureau works is if somebody has all of the centralized resources, they should be reviewing them the same way they did with January 6 leads coming in. That's what we call them, leads.

2:00:17 That's gonna be tips or it's evidence? They can sure arrest thousands of citizens for no reason quickly, but they sure can't find any child rapists. This is the thing that drives me absolutely bonkers. Because we know that there's a precedent for the FBI mobilizing a whole of government response to go after certain people. So why did that not happen? Doesn't matter whether it's Epstein or Gohan or anyone else. And America would get behind it and love it. And it saves the kids. The easiest win that there could be. And what we don't see is- Look, the Democratic Party will not be elected dog catcher anywhere if Trump just smashes them and arrests their goddamn asses. Excuse me, Lord. I don't know how it's not happening, but it's like... If we got the Death Star weapon, use it! Here's what I do know. I know that the Bureau is able to do this. I know that they have... We know people that are working in these, what they call VCAC, violent crimes against children squads.

2:01:00 They're getting some stuff about 764. You had somebody on here. You had Rebecca on here the other day. She's talking about it. That's social media buzz. That's why they're covering it, because there's PR behind it. They want to go and get the low-hanging winds for social media. I had a buddy... I'll say this. I know you've had some before I know about. All I know is I know people in like elementary, middle schools, these kids are on these video games. Those groups are out there targeting kids. For sure. There's no question. There's been people doing that for 20 years. It's called sexploitation. Used to be in the Ivory Coast. Now there's kids that are doing it in the United States against other kids. It's horrific. You want to save your kids? keep them off the internet. Absolutely. My kids have no devices, they're not going to have it. Teenagers and others have learned how to use psychological warfare tools that are like CIA against little kids. The reason why it's not, and I had an FBI agent, I was like, look, I said, is this a real thing? They go, yeah. I said, so what's the deal? And they go, the deal is we can't prosecute most of them. We can't prosecute them because they're minors. And anybody who's ever worked in law enforcement knows this, especially if you worked in federal law enforcement. But it shows how satanic

2:01:54 culture is getting. We have a big problem with teenagers like running CIA equivalent brainwashing operations. The issue is you're not going to be able to go after a 16 year old or a 17 year old who's targeting a 12 or 13 year old in federal court. I've read the stuff they do folks. It is sophisticated mind control. Alex, the only way you get them is you get them when they age out into like 19 2021, which they had a couple of arrests. Those are big like splashes for media, but they are not the majority. It's not. It's not the kids literally in in in torture rape brothels, which we know pops out in cases here and there, but gets shut down. The media doesn't pick it up right? How about how about a guy from Ms? We did a day where like we arrested six guys in three hours.

2:02:37 with my team, we got three in the SWAT team in Washington field got three. And we were going after them because they were grabbing girls at parties. They would have a 16 year old girl, lure in another illegal 16 year old girl who was mad at her parents. You can come join our gang. This is MS-13 stuff. And they would say, why don't you come with us? Then she would say, well, okay, I like hanging out with you, but I don't want to hang out with you anymore. And they said, well, that's not an option. And by And by the way, we're all gonna rape you. Then they're gonna throw a mattress down in the woods and we're gonna have guys pay whatever it is. 25 guys at a time to come in. They got finished with their construction. They get paid for the day. They go and drop some of it. So this is stuff you did? This is what we did. Wow. And there's one squad doing this. There's probably a hundred squads in Washington. How do you not beat the brains out of those guys when you catch them red-handed gang raping little girls? You catch them and they're like, they're pussycats. You catch them and they're working at their job. Like we showed up. And then Soros DAs let them out? Fight for them to get out.

2:03:25 Fight for them to have a special due process. I mean, I'm not trying to act tough, but that's why I can't go to the border because I've come inches away from strangling these people. These guys, they can't afford anything beyond a public defender, which we would pay for out of our own pocket. But I'm asking how do good FBI agents not beat the hell out of these people? They're not working the cases, that's how. They're not doing it. There's five guys, there's eight guys that are doing it, and the rest of them are doing white collar fraud, which is important, but you got to do that. They're doing Chinese counterproliferation, making sure the technologies that are dual use are not being shipped over to China, but we can't stop it. That's what they're spending their time on. So when you take the number of different things that the FBI can focus on, the lowest priority, and this all comes down to the most bureaucratic bullshit you've ever heard, excuse my language,

2:04:07 There is a process called integrated program management, which we recommended, me and some of the guys, recommended to Kash Patel, you need to get rid of this. It incentivized the FBI to go after quotas to get paid, and child sex trafficking and what's called violent crimes against children is not on there. They don't get paid for- So you can say whatever you want about the Trump admin, and we're here to help them and get them on the right track. And that's just on record what you're saying. It's hiding in plain view. They have, they are saying finding the child satanic rape industry, which we know is all over the place, stopping it. Cause I've talked to local police, you know, at the Superbowl Houston, they say it's right out in the open. You see it. Yeah. It is still not been made a priority. Technically. So, so explain how that needs to happen and why it hasn't been done. Yeah. It's really simple. So who's in charge of that? Cash Patel?

2:04:51 the deputy most likely. Yeah. So that goes down to Dan Bongino. All you got to do is prioritize. Does he not know that? Because he's not been an FBI agent? That's my guess. Yeah. This is the problem. Look, when you have people that are inside the FBI and they are surrounding those guys, is It's a vouching system of people within the bureau that are aligned for one purpose and one purpose only. You want to know why I have an investigation into me? Because I embarrass the FBI. It's the number one sin in the FBI. It's not breaking the law. The sin is embarrassing the FBI. Well, but doesn't the average FBI agent want to save the children? They don't even know. I had guys tell me, listen to me. I had guys tell me that we're working national security.

2:05:54 that were interviewing Catholic women who had an ultrasound machine, that they were trying to stop abortions down in southern New Mexico. They came in and we were looking at Hunter Biden's laptop video. Somebody re-vixed it to a Biggie Smalls song. This was in March of 2020. Hold on, I want to hear about this when we come back. Let's go into the new Epstein information. But, oh man, I tell you. Wow. So, we'll be right back. Alright, FBI whistleblower Kyle Serafin here. Be sure and check out his website, kyleserafinshow.com, kyleserafin.com, follow him on X. But let's go slowly over all this because you were on March 25th and you broke the 14 terabytes, all of it later confirmed exactly as you said, and much more. And you said, yeah, it looks good. It's been sitting out of the offices now.

2:06:39 there's a lot of people that are saying. Here we are months and months later, and they're quote still just redacting. Now does that mean maybe they're going to give it to somebody now to investigate? Because as you said, you guys don't act autonomously. You don't act alone. You've got to be directed so unpack exactly what you're saying, what your sources are telling you. And what their concerns are and then what the right process would would be and what we as the public should think the and when family comes over for Easter, everybody's asking me, we want the Epstein. Where is it? We and I'm saying, OK, we want that too. We want the 300,000 missing kids. We want that, but just on the Epstein alone, because that's the you know that's something people are got a focus on. They understand it. Recap and flesh out exactly what you're saying and your concerns. All my concerns are that we're going to see nothing. That's my big concern and my concern is that the that the machine is working slowly on purpose because the attention span of the American people they think they can manipulate it.

2:07:35 and they're chasing headlines. So, they're going after the 764 thing that you heard. I'm told that wasn't even done by the people that do child sex trafficking. It's actually being done by the JTTF, the Joint Terrorism Task Force. And you know who the Joint Terrorism Task Force is? That's the group of people they use to do the foot-shoulder work of the regime. That means like, whatever the current thing is, that's what you put the JTTF on. If that means it's going after Catholics or parents at school boards, or if it's J6ers, or if it turns out to be this, they're chasing these headlines. So that's the storm troopers. Yeah, they're the ones that just do what like they're like utility infielders. They just get to play whatever position needs to be done. So okay, great. Why are they not going after kids? Why are we not seeing that scene stuff? I heard and this is troubling to me as well. You've got guys like Bongino who are now number two in the in the in the administration or in number two in the in the FBI.

2:08:21 He can't go out and talk frankly. So he's got his, his buddies from his old podcast and his radio show. And they're saying the new Bon Gino rules, we have to wait six to eight months. That's the, that tells me I'm waiting long enough that you're going to forget about it. That's what it tells me. Alex that says, just ignore it long enough. We're just going to string you along. What it means is they want narrative control. Right, we want to string you along and we want to tell you what we want to focus on. Let us show you what we did with this restored justice. Let us show you what... The problem is, is, you know, they're highlighting like drug busts. The FBI does drug busts every single day. They don't highlight it. People were talking about how they rescued kids. They did it under the Biden administration too. Every single freaking director that you can remember going back. Mueller, they have... There's press releases of them grabbing child sex traffickers. Okay, so why would she raid the FBI?

2:09:04 New York office and have that guy resign, who I think should be indicted for covering it up. Why would you give it to the field offices if you're then not going to do it? So the field office piece, and maybe this was misunderstood or maybe misconstrued, but like the people that I heard seeing this in the field office, I think it was made available to them on accident. They weren't actually tasked with doing anything with it. It was just there. It's like if you went to your computer and you said, hey, I'm looking for a printer, I'm looking for other items on the network. Oh, by the way, here's a bunch of Epstein files. What do you do with that if you're an FBI agent? You don't have autonomous authority to go out there and open cases. So unless somebody tasks you from headquarters, because that's where these files are being redacted apparently, that's what the headquarters guys told me that, if they're looking at it, until those quote unquote leads, that's what they're called, it's an official request for you to go and investigate this topic, until those are sent to you in the field, you're not going to do anything with it. So it's like, okay cool, just like what I was trying to tell you before the break,

2:09:55 I had guys stand in the office with me and my boss, March 2022, watching Hunter Biden laptop videos. The stuff that we've all seen. Him in the sensory depot chamber. Him lighting crack rocks up. Him trying to talk to a prostitute or whatever. And he didn't know what it was. FBI agents, I have found, and that's not an indictment of them, I think they're just focused on things like a lot of Americans are, they are utterly uninformed about what's happening nationally to the point where guys work in national security in New Mexico with me who are decent human beings, smart guys, good shooters, cool to hang out with, nice guys to have a beer, didn't know that there was a Hunter Biden laptop story in October of 2020, and they didn't know it through 21 or in 22 when I talked to him about it, they were like, is this new?

2:10:36 They just are unaware. So they might not even know what the news headlines are asking for the Epstein files. There's a decent chance if you grabbed a random FBI agent, they wouldn't even know that this is something that's going on. Well, that's what I think happened with O'Keefe because I don't think he knew Pam Bondi had been on the news after you and others on the show exposed that. and that she'd been out saying hundreds of victims, thousands of files, and we've sent it out to the offices to investigate. I think when he got that undercover video of her basically saying stuff she'd already said, I think he probably really thought that was new. I think the danger is, is I'm in the undersell overdeliver business because I used to be in sales, so I understand what that looks like. If you're in the theatrics business, then you're in the oversell and potentially underdeliver, and then people look at you and say it's a nothing burger, when maybe it's somewhat nuanced and maybe there's some news there.

2:11:24 But the problem is, if you go out there and tell people that everything is going to be bigger than it ever has been before, something new has happened that's never happened, and people go like, well... Yeah, it is not new. Like every person that reached out to me from the bureau said you realize that the Kash Patel press conference about how we're now focusing on kids is something we do every single year. And I went yeah, I remember that. And they go it's Operation Cross Country 1, 2, 3, up to 12. Okay, but Trump keeps saying in press conferences he wants it out, he wants it released and I believe that. So what does he need to tell Kash Patel to do? They need to get rid of the people that are stopping them on the inside. Again, you're talking about a bunch of satellite offices that have the ability to do a lot of things on fire. Okay, well you're talking to the deputy director, Bongino, Secret Service, smart guy. All right, you want the plan? I had the plan. Maybe he doesn't know exactly how all that works, so you did it. Why don't you explain it to him? Okay, this was the plan. This is actually what we laid out for Kash Patel. I said you should take every person that's a GS-15, that's going to be an assistant special agent in charge,

2:12:20 You should put them all in an acting role. They are now temporarily in charge of your field offices. You want every single SES person that worked under the Biden administration, all of them, every single person promoted there now no longer does that job, period. You're gonna lose some decent people in there too probably, it doesn't matter. Every single one of them has the opportunity to either retire or they have to go work in Puerto Rico, because we're gonna get them out of the United States. We need to move them to a territory where they can't screw with what- And what do those guys do? Nothing. from here on out. They don't get to do anything. But what's the problem? Oh, the problem is, is because all of those people have independent little fiefdoms and they all want to have plausible deniability on why they can't fix the problem. What they do, the FBI is a factory of no's. It's a bunch of people, this is the way we've always done it, Alex, we can't do anything new. How can we need to go and kick doors down at 0600 because we've always done it that way? Well, why don't we just grab them on surveillance so we don't get shot? Why don't we grab them when we see them pumping gas when they're not looking around? We've never done that before, so we're not going to do it.

2:13:09 You've got institutional knowledge that is basically interested in the way business has always been. going all the way back to Hoover. That's like the local police in Waco or the ATF. The local police are like, he works in town every day, grab him there. They're like, no, we're gonna go shoot the building up. Because it's splashy, because it worked once. Yeah, all of the bad ideas that have always been there, they're always still there. And all the people that got promoted, if you look at the senior executive service for the FBI, if you go in and find anybody that's what's called senior executive service, SES, this is your quote unquote deep state, your administrative state. Nobody there has more than six years of investigative experience. They have the same amount of time working the job that I did. And then they're all in senior management roles. Now they went to a management role where they worked at a squad, then they went to headquarters and worked in a management role, then they worked back in the field office of management, and they ping-ponged their way- And a librarian, a homosexual librarian set up the FBI back in the 20- and so all of this flows out of that.

2:14:02 It's the craziest thing is that you have people that have not been near a case in 15 years are the ones that are making the most serious decisions about this. They're describing the tactics. What I always said was if you wanted to have the best people out there, and this is my recommendation to Dan Bongino straight away, go out and query every single one of your field offices. I've told this to a dozen FBI agents, by the way, they think this is a great idea. Query the field offices, find your top GS13, that's your frontline agents, find your top three or five agents in every single major threat criminal cyber counterterrorism and counterintelligence. Take your top three to five from every field office. Now you have a pool of your best brick agents. Then go get your supervisors, the GS 14 level. These are the people that supervise the squad. They're the closest to the actual work and they manage the caseload. Get those get top three or four out of every single field office. You don't have to do it by threat. Make sure they all have between four and seven years

2:14:52 Go out there and check their climate survey, see how people like working for them. If they are good bosses, good managers, and they want to be near the cases, those are the people that should be running the FBI. And you take the hourglass, which is basically bottom heavy, you flip it upside down, and everybody that's currently managing right now that hasn't been near a case in a decade or two... Get rid of them. Why do you need them? They're the people that were moving the status quo for as long as they have. If you want to change- Yeah, that's how you purge- You're talking about how we purge the FBI. You have to gut the culture there. And then you can have the people that are closest and most passionate about doing that work. You take a guy that says, I'm 17 years into my FBI 20. I'm going to retire at 20 years. I'm 17 years in and I'm still working cases trying to go after child sex traffickers. I want that guy in charge of the program.

2:15:33 Because he cares enough to do the actual work. He doesn't want to be a manager. We're going to ask you for the needs of the Bureau because the country needs you to step forward, step out of the front line and manage the problem at a bigger level. If you ask those people to do it, they'll do it. They don't want to do it though because they know that once you get into management, you basically get to just write your, you brief it for 18 months, you tell people you're going to do change, you do almost nothing, you put one little line on your resume and you go to the next job. It's the same bureaucratic thing that has the FAA collapsing and our airports might close. Every federal agency does this. They're all the same, man. I'm just telling you like it's so crazy. Well, it's like Social Security in a mine and they didn't want to change that. Because we've always done it that way, Alex. Why would we change it?

2:16:12 That's why, oh it'd be too hard, we'd have to get a study and we'd have to ask some consultants, we'd have to spend some money and we didn't budget it this year. Like it's all crap excuses. It's the same reason when you FOIAed, you got one piece of paper. Because the goal of government is to say no and to just keep that money and that responsibility up in the air. When I went and put my whistleblower complaints forward, I got investigated by the FBI's Office of Professional Responsibility. They kicked it over to the DOJ's Office of the Inspector General, who kicked it over to the Office of Attorney Recruitment and Management, who said no. It just goes in this circle until eventually you get worn out. And there's guys like you that don't get worn out. Meanwhile, we're up against the Communist Chinese. Who never get worn out. to

2:17:09 If you're not part of the solution, there's a lot of money to be made in continuing the problem. That's obviously true. And if we continue it, we're done. But luckily on many fronts, Trump is changing things. Let's get to some of these clips then. So bottom line, you have talked to your folks. You're saying no, we are not being given, we're not being released. The hounds are not being released. Yeah, they've sent some files out for redactions, but that bare minimum looks like slow rolling. Bare minimum. Yeah, and here's the thing. And let me so there you go people wanted to know and accuse me and and say oh Jones the Trump administration's covering it up and Trump's doing it blah blah blah. You know just out of hand I said I'm gonna wait and see and you're and you're saying now now we can say yeah, that's terrible news But here's the here's the thing that's so crazy. I think is that you should always evaluate. What are people's sources? You should always evaluate it What is what is someone's placement and what is their access? Do they actually are they in a position to be out to be able to report on things?

2:18:07 in any kind of accuracy. Do I have a view on everything that's going on the FBI? Absolutely not. I would never claim. No, you just broken most along with a boil of the key proven right info we have on the Epstein taken the last year. What I've had is a source network of people that said no when everyone else said yes and didn't complain when we were told that. No, that's why they're scared to use. You become a focal point of people that have the highest level of integrity. People just reach out to me and say for people that don't. You're good guys overall, but still hey, we're in power now and knock it off. You're dangerous. Sure, I mean look again, I had an NBC reporter. He says you know you got to give it to you because you're consistent and I'm like because my principles have nothing to do with who's in power. I want the FBI director to be an honest person. Well it's like whenever O'Keefe said he's got something bad on Trump as a trace official that wouldn't say what on Epstein cover-up.

2:18:54 And he's done a great track record. So I basically believed him and I'm not saying he lied He just wasn't as devastating as he said really made him kind of look good in a way, but I'm glad she's talking about yeah, you know, she shows the probably bring it out, but I did I I was like really upset because I didn't want it to be horrible because I want to believe in the administration and so to me this was a positive event, but so let's go to some of these clips. Here's O'Keefe's a report that's a little bit more. Uh keep report on a G. Pam Bondi was covertly recorded April 28th includes press gaggle to replay that. And then we have the flashback from March. 26th the day after year on or 27th where she reveals there are tens of thousands of pages of documents and hundreds of child victims of Epstein, so she basically said it then this is, you know, at a restaurant a little bit more calling it videos. But then I guess it's more

2:19:46 So I'm gonna play these clips again to get your take on it. Here it is, back to back. Yesterday, Attorney General of the United States Pam Bondi was at the White House and disclosed what she represented as brand new information in relation to Jeffrey Epstein. The existence of tens of thousands of videos featuring little children. There are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn. Now this is the first time an official has publicly acknowledged that videos of Epstein and his victims exist. What you may not know is just nine days prior, the Attorney General had a very similar conversation

2:20:25 with a total stranger in a restaurant. Do you know when the Epstein files are going to be released? We hope soon. Okay. Any dates? No, you know what it is. There are tens of thousands. 80 million? Yeah, and it's all with little kids, so they have to go through everyone. In the past, officials have spoken about the quote, mountain of evidence in the Epstein case, but they've never previous to that moment acknowledged on the existence of videos of quote, little kids. Just a few days later at 2 p.m. on May 1st, our reporter sent the AG's office the text of the recording. We asked why this detail had not been disclosed to the public, but was instead being told to a random stranger at a restaurant.

2:21:13 The Attorney General used almost the exact same language as she did with the stranger in the restaurant. Language that we shared with her press office. There are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn. Now we hesitated to publish this story but believe like we did yesterday that the public has a right to know and this one raises serious questions. On one hand why did our country's highest law enforcement official share this information first not with the American people but with a self-described nanny at brunch?

2:21:59 But more importantly, why was this information held back in the first place? Does this show that a government apparatus is still working behind the scenes to protect powerful people involved in the scandal? Based upon the response to our Epstein story yesterday, it's clear that the American people want answers. And they want accountability. What about the Epstein files? A lot of conversation about the Epstein files and I recognize that when you're dealing with children it takes much more time. You've got to ensure that what you're sending out publicly is not revealing any personal information but can you give us a sense of those two items and whether or not we'll learn more about them?

2:22:41 Sure, you're going to hear all I'll say on January 6th, you're going to hear a lot more about the January 6th Commission in a very good way. And as to Epstein, yes, you're absolutely right, Maria. You know, tens of thousands of pages of documents and hundreds and hundreds of victims of of

2:23:18 We are releasing all of these documents as soon as we can get them redacted to protect the victims of him. Alright, that's two days after Kyle broke all this back in March. So what is your overall view of this? Pam Bondi is a savvy creature. She's definitely not a dumb lady and I don't think that she's giving out super secret information that the government wants hidden. in a sandwich shop. But she basically already said all this on the news. She said it in one way. She's now got maybe more information. I don't think she's reviewed this document or videos. The odds of that are very low to me. She's just getting quick reports. Yeah, yeah. She's getting briefed. It's called the director or the AG briefing. She gets in, someone gives her an intel report. Hey, this is what we're working on. This is what we got. Well, what's the scope of it? Oh, it's tens of thousands of videos. Well, I was just super relieved that when I heard Trump administration involved with Epstein, I was like,

2:24:08 He wouldn't give me the tales and I was having literal. I think, yeah, James, James got scooped on his own story, but his story was built on something. It's not particularly non-public like one. Anybody who's been paying attention to the story knows that they walked out with truckloads of like, you know, like all those hand trucks, they had all those carts full of DVDs or whatever the heck it was and VHS and all the other kind of, and do you think that was just one location about to say sounds like a lot more than 14 terabytes? I don't, I think the, the, the deep state did probably destroy most of it. That's a very real possibility. Long before Bondi. And you know that's what Gerardo Boyle was saying. I don't have any solution on that. But what Bondi's saying here though is in these 14 terabytes is all this. So the big takeaway, hundreds of victims, Epstein raping kids. Now they've got to do something now.

2:24:51 Or they become over time complicit now that she says that's what's in there. Yeah, or they run the clock out on you, which is what we've seen on so many big things. But how could you do that if they were, I don't think they were involved, so you have to. How do you sleep at night if you know this and you don't prosecute these people? Alex, that's a million dollar question. I mean, how do people do anything that they do? You know what? You know what? My wife and I were having this conversation the other day. She was like, how can people betray the American people's faith? How can they betray individuals that they said that they were going to help and they don't? How do they let a victim like an Epstein victim end up, you know, like killing yourself? Like, how does that happen? And we were talking and I had this moment where I was like, you know what? That's why the movie or the series, the game Game of Thrones series was so impactful for people.

2:25:36 Because it showed like the depravity of how how deeply you can be betrayed by someone and double dealing and flipping Yeah And you just like most people do not operate with the amount of duplicity that some people operate on in DC some of the most evil things that can happen are people who are Just doing their job because it's become a bunch of yes men and women and it's been the synthesis of corruption So and the worst people people that just turn a blind eye Here's cash Patel FBI Director last week in Congress confirming Epstein files are coming here it is. Did Jeffrey Epstein hang himself or did somebody kill him? Senator, I believe he hung himself in a cell in the Metropolitan Detention Center. Are you gonna release all the information about that? Senator, we are working through that right now with the Department of Justice. When do you think you'll have it done, Cash? I think in the near future, sir. Like before I die? Senator, we are

2:26:36 We've been working on that and we're doing it in a way that protects victims and also doesn't put out into the ether information that is irrelevant for production of the public such as CSAM. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So he's implying they are investigating that they still want to give it away but you're saying from all your sources you're not getting chatter that's really happening? I mean two things can be true at once. They can be redacting it and also not asking anybody to go investigate it. But you'd think that when you go through and look, I've done some video edits. I've done some work with

2:27:18 with taking audio files and transcribing and so on. You're also generating an evidentiary log at that time. And if there's something in there that needs to be exploited, which means you send it off to an analyst or you send it off to an agent to work on, then they should be doing that. There should be people that are knocking on doors asking questions. There should be. But you're hearing, you've not heard any of that. I got none of it, no. From all your sources. Okay, you have another source that local law enforcement, and this is breaking exclusive, this is important. Tell people. Yeah, alright, so this is unconfirmed, but this, look, I got a lot of people that talk to me about a lot of things. Generally speaking, when you fly in the space where federal agents, former federal agents and folks that are working in law enforcement, people talk. Apparently there's been a dissemination of a memo.

2:27:57 that's talking about the either pardoning or commutation of Derek Chauvin, which you've been talking about the summer getting spicy and things getting wild. I think the left is looking for a reason to do it. They've been doing property damage on the Teslas. They've been going out and locally destroying certain things. But we haven't seen like person on person violence or the big set like wholesale destruction we saw. in 2020. That would be a great catalyst I can imagine and I do think that Derek Chauvin, whether he was a jerk or not, did not do the thing that they claimed that he did. I think he got railroaded and it was pretty obvious. Well it came out that they railroaded him and knew the coroner said he got a drug. It's the same problem with Ashley Babbitt. Anybody, if you're an honest operator and I've read the deadly force policy for DOJ, I have to imagine Capitol Police has a very similar one.

2:28:37 If you say that Ashley Babbit's shooting was justifiable, then you don't know what the deadly force policy is for law enforcement. All right. We're out of time. Kyle Seraphin, kyleseraphin.com, kyleseraphinshow.com. Thank you so much for coming in. I really look forward to hopefully seeing these arrests and regardless of the Epstein stuff, Don't let Soros group and these judges block finding the kids, which they're currently doing. This is the proof of cover up and pure evil right now. That's where the real evil is. This is, out of all this, this is it. Okay, and I'm going to spend hours on this this week. Okay? And no one will care because it's not, you know, being mad at Trump. And I'm not saying you're bad. It's good to keep them honest. I'm just saying we should spend most of our time on this because it's important. And put pressure on the Trump administration about this. Imagine, you think a 60-20 issue, this is like a 99-1 issue.

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