BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Nick Fuentes Does Marathon Broadcast With Alex Jones & Harrison Smith, Exposing The Truth Of The Charlie Kirk Assassination & MORE!

00:00 I'll be completely frank with everybody, like I always am. That's my superpower. I really like Nick Fuentes. When I first met him more than nine years ago, I thought he was smart. I thought he was funny. I knew some of his origin story, how he was censored, you know, for just mildly asking, why does Israel so involved in our country? And I, you know, I mean, I'm a routine watcher. I don't have a lot of time, but I mean, I probably watch an hour or so more of his nightly show every other day. So I mean, I don't have a lot of time. I'm a regular viewer. I think he's very snarky, very funny, very witty. He knows a lot of history for 26. It's extremely impressive. I think he knows more history than I did at 26 and I've been a history buff. So that said though, every time I'm sitting there about to get him on as a guest, I call it a debate because we debate things, we disagree on some things.

00:54 But then I see things he says and does, and sometimes I think it's a little too mean. And so, but at the end of the day, people need to stop being so nice in politics when the left and the globalists literally say white people are inherently evil, and Christians and Catholics are inherently evil, and white men are the worst thing on earth, and all of this garbage, how do you then get mad at Nick, who then says, back to them half of what they're saying. See, so you change the rules of the game. I'm not some closeted racist that hates black people. I've grown up in Dallas, had a ton of black friends, really cool, fun people. I've also dealt with racist black people that have physically attacked me many times. I mean, how many black people out there have been in, let's not exaggerate, 50 fights with black people? I mean, how many black folks have had at least 50 times that white people attacked you? I bet 99%, because I know the statistics,

01:56 percent of black folks out there have never had a white person physically attack you. And we know it's 20 to 1, 15 to 1 black on white crime. I don't in general dislike black people because it's still a tiny minority of young black males that are committing around half the violent crime in this country. But when it happens, you don't cover it up and then or say it's okay. So people ask you agree with Nick Fuentes. I agree that compared to the extremism of the ADL, the Southern Poverty Law Center, that is openly anti-Christian, anti-white, that what he's doing is healthy to get people to stop being politically correct and stop being bullied and stop feeling ashamed of being white. Because white people are under such attack.

02:45 Because by demonizing whites, the globalists can demonize the idea of the West that is incompatible. So they literally say, you don't want a Second Amendment, that's a white man's thing. You don't want private property, that's a white man's thing. You don't want Western culture, that's a white man's thing. Because under Western culture, the globalist system of tyranny doesn't work. And the communists of the 50s and 60s learned, this has been declassified, they admitted it, they couldn't get black people to become communists. So instead they created liberation theology, the Ford Foundation, Carnegie Foundation, CIA, it's on record, declassified. to go, oh, make it racial to hate capitalism and free market and sovereignty and all this. So I think Nick Fuentes is very strong medicine, but you cannot deny that in the Groper Wars and at TPUSA that Nick Fuentes predicted six, seven years ago his movement would take over from inside TPUSA. It did. That is the main reason Charlie, who I love, is a great guy,

03:51 Really started going hard on Israel was because his constituency demanded it and when he went to the universities it was happening Now this is quite the long intro. So then when Charlie Kirk gets executed two weeks ago today Instantly they blame Nick point tags and the gropers for killing him with zero evidence Then when there's zero evidence of that Oh five days later, no one buys it with Bill Maher pushes it and Now Nick Fuentes works for Netanyahu and is covering up that Israel did it because he got the call. This is, these are bots. Now a lot of people that aren't part of the bots pick it up and push it, but I know a synthetic attack because I've been under a lot of them. Now, the question is why do they try to frame Nick Fuentes before Charlie Kirk's body was even called?

04:46 Then when that didn't work, why did they go with, oh, he works for Israel because somebody wants to make it all about Israel. Not all roads lead to Israel. Like Nick said, you just hit that button though. People are so awake about 95% of the time. It is that, but like sometimes it's not. And now we're moving into the zone of it does look like a coverup, then who stood to gain and maybe Israel's there. You heard that Greenberry, Greenberry really smart. Now the Democrats wanted him dead. He got 2.5 million people to vote Trump. They moved the needle and went from The tripled support in young males, it's Charlie Kirk and other things. So I'm looking for the reality. I wanna be tomorrow's news today. I wanna be accurate.

05:25 I don't want to just jump on the first thing. I mean, if I came out and said Israel did it, I'd have 100 million, 500 million views a day. If I came out and said the security guard shoots him under the arm, billions of views. I'd also get my ass sued off. Plus, I'm going to lie about some dude, he has a cell phone under his arm. They hear of the shot, he goes like that. You can't just run around and accept every cockamamie thing. You can't just believe Netanyahu was in a trap door as Nick said and shot him. Now, maybe Israel did. Maybe it comes out they did. I don't know. I think they're like the second suspect group if this turns out to be a cover up after the Democrats. Then you can argue, well, maybe he was running for president and they were scared so the Republicans got rid of him. Maybe there was a bunch of 500 million in the war chest and there was a battle over where that was. And I mean, you can go all day, you just can't, nobody ever said that. You just can't say something without the proof in my view. We're entering that field house now.

06:16 that wheelhouse of we have to speculate because where's the autopsy? They didn't have one folks. They found the bullet. We better see it. Uh, 30 odd six does not do that. Doesn't mean the corner's lying. He's told us 30 odd six. So not the corner of the attending physician. So, so that's a big 10 minute intro. We got Nick to the end of the next hour. So we got plenty of time that said, and he goes, you're going to have a debate every time you don't do that. I do think it's mean what you've been saying, Nick, and I don't want to go there first. Just putting it out there. about Erica Kirk, you know, it was a big production and this is blah blah blah. That's what TPUSA did was productions. This is what he would have wanted. I saw you admit that. This is, she's a, she's a performer herself. That's who they are. So the fact that they're putting a good face on this, I, I, you can even say, oh, the Republicans are being fake. Well, that revival was real. Realizing the left is evil was real. I mean, I, I, so I think, I think you went too far, you know, on that.

07:19 But it's got to be weird to have first daily wire firing you because you wouldn't be flown to Israel and brainwashed literally was your nemesis. Then Kirk became your nemesis. You've been defeated both, but you've got to have the victors, not even remorse, but kind of the victors elegance to it at this nexus point. So I'm not trying to be mean. I got a few things I disagree with you on. I see you coming around more and more on Trump on the borders. He scales up. So, so there's a lot. I appreciate you putting up with a 10 minute intro. Nick Fuentes, you've got the floor here. You can find it with Nick J Fuentes on rumble and it's good to have you here. And also again to Trump next level insane. Oh, Ukraine on invade Russia now. I mean more than a 180. This is like a

08:11 1080. This is cuckoo town. So we're going to get into that. Yeah, folks, the news didn't pick it up. You got to read a statement about maybe Ukraine will take all the land back and win and then get even more. So we're going to hit that. Nick Fuentes, thanks for being here. That's quite the introduction. You've got 15 minutes to break. Go ahead. Yes. Well, thank you for having me. I think this is the first time we've spoken since Charlie Kirk was murdered and Of course everybody's talking about who was actually responsible. And this is something that kind of has stuck out to me since it happened is so much has been said about the significance of it and you know the gravity of the moment and what it means for our country. And yet we still don't know all the answers.

08:56 We don't know for a fact who pulled the trigger. We don't know for a fact who was the gunman. We don't know for a fact if there was a wider conspiracy. And so at the same time, we're being told what it all means and what it means for us and for the country and the right and the left. At the same time, we actually don't even know what it is. Where we're being told what it means, we don't know what it is. And I would say that there's been so many different theories about it as well. Of course, there is the official narrative. which is that the killer was a trans chaser. So he's apparently a gay man who was dating or had some kind of boyfriend who was a male to female transgender. And the going narrative is that he was basically some species of the left. We don't know if he's a liberal, Democrat, communist, socialist. We know maybe he's an ally of the LGBT. He inscribed on the bullets certain slogans associated with Reddit or the furry community.

09:56 And we can surmise, based on some of the text messages that have been shown to us, of which there are some outstanding questions about those, that he killed Charlie Kirk because of his anti-LGBT politics. So we basically have a lone gunman theory. A lone gunman, 22 years old, clean record, no mental illness, no criminal background, gets his grandfather's rifle that was given to him, drives three hours to the venue, shoots this guy one shot, one kill, gets away clean, turns himself in. That's the official narrative. But like you said, then, and a lot of people were quick to sort of move past this, but I think this was really interesting.

10:36 Within 48 hours of the killing, there was this, what I believe to be a top-down narrative. It came from the left, maybe from the Democrats, which said actually this was a far-right guy. And the inscriptions were not actually very clear about his political ideology, but actually they were ambiguous. They were vaguely referencing video games, vaguely referencing internet culture, and we really don't know. And then they started to say, well, he's a groyper. All of a sudden you have these viral posts on Facebook and X that were talking about how I had this conflict with Charlie Kirk and there was this major critique from the right wing, from Charlie Kirk's ideological right, you know, to his right. And so they said the shooter might've been a groiper. He was a video gamer, extremely online, political radical, but they say maybe he was of the right. And that was kind of the first big quote unquote conspiracy theory.

11:31 Right out of the gate, we had the official narrative. We had this guy, Tyler Robinson, trans boyfriend, et cetera. And then within 48 hours, the first big conspiracy was he's some sort of groiper. And the reason I believe that was top down is because it was so saturated. And you said this earlier, you've been a subject of these attacks before, as have I. It's very apparent because of how quickly they achieve saturation. This theory was everywhere so quickly. It's very simple. An exact talking point explodes in a thousand places in one second, then 10,000 five seconds later, then a million five minutes later.

12:11 Right, it's exponential. The growth of it is exponential such that there was a poll released I believe on the Monday following the killing and it said that 25-26 percent of Generation Z believed the killer was right wing. More young people believed the killer was right wing, a far right radical than believed he was left wing. That's how effective it was and that's how it's all about. Let's be clear on this point. What you're saying is key, but it's not just exponential. When it first appears, when you know it's synthetic, they will push at a thousand or more points instantly the exact same thing. That doesn't work that way, a script. So you know when it's staged because they put it out immediately in the first attack, everywhere the same second, you know it's being pushed by bots. That's how we know.

12:57 Right, right. It was instantaneous, exactly. And so you got to this point where a week later it was even being parroted on Jimmy Kimmel. Jimmy Kimmel, of course, the reason that he was leaned on is because he said that the right wing was pretending that the killer was everything other than what he was, which was MAGA or far-right. And that was really the first big thing. The second wave, of course, then came. And this was being pushed by Max Blumenthal on the gray zone, by Candace Owens, and perhaps by Tucker Carlson, I think significantly less so. But there was this insinuation, particularly from Blumenthal and Candace, that it was an Israeli conspiracy. And they centered on this meeting between Kirk and Bill Ackman in August, as well as apparently

13:42 some kind of payment, some sort of bribe, which was offered to Kirk by the Israelis directly to effectively buy his silence. And these were basically the three theories. These are the three theories as they stand is lone gunman, Groyper, and then some sort of Israeli conspiracy. And I, like you, want to get to the truth. I want to understand who killed Charlie Kirk. I want to understand if there was a conspiracy, who was involved. But I, like you, also start with the evidence. When you believe there's a conspiracy, when you believe there's a cover-up or something like that, you start with the facts. You start with the evidence. And the things to me that stood out as evidence that this was some kind of a plot or conspiracy had very little to do with foreign government and actually had to do with the forensics of the attack. Like you said, maybe the most damning thing is the bullet.

14:33 If it's a 30-06 bullet caliber, this guy from relatively short range is being shot. You would expect that you would see a much more graphic video than what we saw. Like I watched your show about this. You've been, you shot Hobbes with this kind of caliber bullet. It goes right through him, one in one end, out the other. And this is a significant animal versus shot in the neck, which is of course a much smaller cavity by such a large bullet from an even shorter range. Why did we not see and you know, we don't want to be insensitive about it, but why did we not see a lot more blood? Why did we not see an exit wound? Where did the bullet go? It's not just a big bullet. It's a super Magnum. It's going it's going 2500 2600 or faster at 200 yards. It's still at maximum velocity. So you're talking explosive when it hits.

15:24 Size, velocity, exactly. Just none of the details are adding up. That caliber, that rifle, the velocity, the size, the range, but also then with the video we saw, it just doesn't really work. And people had questions about it. And to tell you the truth, I was skeptical because I'm not a ballistics expert and I think a lot of people aren't. And I was willing to entertain if the FBI had an explanation, I was willing to hear what that explanation was. Well, then we get Andrew Colvitt who comes out last week and he says, based on evidence apparently that he received from the attending physician, from the surgeon, he says that he was authorized to say, and it was shared with him, that the bullet miraculously stopped because Charlie Kirk's bone density was so healthy and so strong that it stopped the bullet in its tracks and prevented other people from dying. And you know, that's where you gotta pump the brakes and say, wait a second,

16:20 Is that really the word choice we want to go with? Imagine that's what I thought the break Saturdays when I went, okay, now we've got and then TBS is calling me their spokesperson saying, well, let me give you the full story. But yeah, this man of steel thing. That's what I was like, Whoa. Right, because initially I'm willing to believe and I think it's true that there are left wing nut jobs that want to kill people like Charlie Kirk. It happens. There was a shooter at a Catholic church in Minneapolis a few weeks ago. Another left wing person. A guy came to kill you this year and got killed by police an hour later. Exactly, and so this is a problem, Luigi Mangione, this is something going on in the country. I'm willing to believe if there's evidence that that's the explanation, but when they come in and say, man of steel, miracle, magic bullet, magic skeleton, that's where I gotta say, hang on a second, yeah, I know that doesn't make sense. So now I'm asking even more questions actually. That's an answer that raises more questions than actually it answers.

17:25 And the thing about this Andrew Colvin guy, and I don't know him personally, I've never met him, but Candace actually had a good point about this. A lot of people don't know, this is a PR guy. This is a public relations guy. That's what he does for Turning Point USA. That's actually what he did for a company called the Kairos Company. That's where he worked from 2014 to 2019 with Marissa Strait of Prager University. with one of these big reverends that's a Christian Zionist, that was a public relations firm. He represents himself as a fixer. He is a Christian Zionist pro-Israel fixer. And so if it's that guy, because I'll be super honest with you about how my thinking has been changing over time on this,

18:10 When he first said that, my first thought was, why would Charlie Kirk's producer and best friend, why would he lie? What would be in it for someone like him to lie or cover it up? If this Man of Steel, Superman thing, if that's a cover-up, why would someone so close to Kirk and friendly and working with him, why would he lie about it? dig into his background and you find that this guy is a fixer. He's a PR guy for the Christian Zionists. He was actually there over Charlie Kirk's shoulder at the focus group after the SAS conference where Tucker spoke and Dave Smith debated Josh Hammer.

18:45 It was Colvitt, the producer, who was hanging behind Kirk and saying, I think we could all agree that we talk about Israel a whole lot less. I think we could all agree that we don't want to talk about that anymore. And so it's things like that that actually just have to be answered. And I will say I'm glad Kash Patel, of course, came out a few days after that, and he listed all of these discrepancies. He talked about theories of different shooters and the bullet caliber and all these different things. It shows they know there's massive pressure. Exactly, and I like that. I actually like that. It's good that there's pressure. It's good that people are on top of this asking questions. And I like that Kash Patel was specific about those questions. He didn't say we're going to answer everything. There's more to come. He said, here are all of these specific questions we've been asked and we'll provide answers. And that just has to be forthcoming. We have to see the answers. Well, let me bring this up.

19:41 Where's the autopsy by law and a murder you're supposed to do when I check the state law it's same wall there It's everywhere and where's the bullet that was found in the neck. I mean now I'm That's the question. We need the bullet. Where is it? And we do need an autopsy. We need to know, and because people also have questions about how and where the bullet impacted the shockwave in his shirt. You know, we're getting all these kinds of ad hoc explanations for these things. We need the official story from the people that saw the body, from the people that performed the autopsy. And that's the only reason I know you said I was a little bit mean, but I do think there is this push

18:45 It was Colvitt, the producer, who was hanging behind Kirk and saying, I think we could all agree that we talk about Israel a whole lot less. I think we could all agree that we don't want to talk about that anymore. And so it's things like that that actually just have to be answered. And I will say I'm glad Kash Patel, of course, came out a few days after that, and he listed all of these discrepancies. He talked about theories of different shooters and the bullet caliber and all these different things. It shows they know there's massive pressure. Exactly, and I like that. I actually like that. It's good that there's pressure. It's good that people are on top of this asking questions. And I like that Kash Patel was specific about those questions. He didn't say we're going to answer everything. There's more to come. He said, here are all of these specific questions we've been asked and we'll provide answers. And that just has to be forthcoming. We have to see the answers. Well, let me bring this up.

19:41 Where's the autopsy by law and a murder you're supposed to do when I check the state law it's same wall there It's everywhere and where's the bullet that was found in the neck. I mean now I'm That's the question. We need the bullet. Where is it? And we do need an autopsy. We need to know, and because people also have questions about how and where the bullet impacted the shockwave in his shirt. You know, we're getting all these kinds of ad hoc explanations for these things. We need the official story from the people that saw the body, from the people that performed the autopsy. And that's the only reason I know you said I was a little bit mean, but I do think there is this push

20:22 to quickly take the tragedy and transmute it into political action. And I'm not ready to move on yet because like I said, we're all being told this is what this means. Now this is what we need to do. It was the left and that's why we need to take these specific actions in response. I'm sitting here saying, whoa, whoa, whoa. We need to hold the phone now. We actually don't know exactly what's going on. We actually don't have all the answers on this. Before we're told what this means for us and what we need to do about it, let's stop and think what actually took place here and who's actually responsible. I agree with you. I think we need to see the autopsy. We need to see the bullet. We need to get the answers from the FBI. I have been told, I've heard from people that claim to be on the ground and I have some reason to believe them. They say that the reason that evidence may be withheld for the time being is they don't want to taint the jury pool.

21:15 When the spokesman came out last week, he said something very specific. He said in our country, the accused have Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights to a speedy trial, jury their peers, etc. And so this is actually common. They're not going to put out all the evidence if it's especially damning. because they don't, in a very high profile, highly publicized case, they want to be able to pick a jury that's not biased and get a fair trial so they could get the guy convicted. So that could be a plausible explanation why they might be dragging their feet or slow walking some of the stuff. But as soon as they start to set that up and we get a jury and this is underway, all eyes need to be on the trial

21:55 what actually happened, what evidence is the state going to bring? Can they even convict the guy? Will they have enough evidence? They seem to be confident. The FBI, the local authorities seem to be confident they could do that. But of course, until we get that trial, until the state presents all the evidence they have, not in the media, but in the jury, in a jury trial, we're just not gonna know. We can't have any confidence. So that's where I'm at with it. We gotta go to break. Back in just a few minutes. I wanna Talk about the bigger effect of this assassination, the different political lay of the land. Then I want to shift gears into Trump's insane statements about Ukraine. Stay with us.

22:44 Nick, going back to this and then just in general, TPUSA, I don't have many peers that I can, you know, other than like Trump or a few other people, I'm not saying I'm a peer with him, but I'm a peer on this issue, where there's a horrible event and instantly I'm blamed. I mean, when that Democrat employee of tampon Tim up in Minnesota, Tim Walls, killed those government officials and their spouses and things, literally within one hour, the roommate's blaming me and Trump. So when it's a Democrat op like that, we're instantly the targets. And so if there was another shooter and the guy was just a patsy who was set up, and I think the evidence has started to really build to that, I did a whole hour before he came on with a green beret and really smart guy about that, that's the consensus I'm getting from all these other Delta Force guys and people that are really smart and experts on this,

23:41 Then we've got to ask who would kill Kirk. And clearly, you know, Israel does a lot of assassinations. He was having big fights with them. I can imagine they want to take it over and a lot of those interests are coming in now. I just couldn't say it day one without evidence. I still am not saying Israel did it. But then the Democrats, I mean, he was one of the main movers getting all these young males to vote Republican. And then now he's gone and they're in those discords watching it. They could have piggybacked on that and some of their groups and Then how you instantly got blamed and when that didn't work, they pivoted over to Israel as a talking point. To me, that's the main suspect because that's the group calling for violence, pushing violence. It was a leftist came to try to kill you at your house, died in a shootout, wouldn't even hit the news. People said it was fake. It was a local paper. I mean, when they come to my house, I don't make a big deal about it, but I mean, they knocked down Tucker Carlson's door. So you could say I'm prejudiced towards the fact, I mean, look at this today.

24:42 You know, you've got a reported anti-fob pro trans shooter up in Dallas so dumb he's shooting illegal aliens at the base and then supposedly kills himself. And then they've already released the, you know, the shells with the anti-ice stuff on it. Maybe that's a setup too. I just don't, just don't see that level of, of, of that much corruption will carry out this much, but maybe I'm wrong. But was Netanyahu behind all the other trans shooters? Was Netanyahu, you know, so looking at this, We have to start speculating now because it does look like a cover up. Definitely that was not a 30-06 round that did that from my view, this man of steel garbage. So you don't like to speculate and neither do I. But if we have to ask who had the greatest motive, who would the groups be?

25:25 I think that when you ask who benefits from the killing of Charlie Kirk, I would actually put Israel towards the bottom. When you look at if there's a series of different people, the reason I say that is because Charlie Kirk, as we know, was pro-Israel until the day that he was killed. And this is why it's a little bit puzzling to me. Like you said, I mean a lot of people are now calling me a shill. They're saying I pivoted. I got the call from Netanyahu. They intimidated me into silence. The reason I say that is because right up until he died, my critique of Charlie Kirk is that he was too pro-Israel.

26:01 Clearly there was an evolution going on. I think there's an evolution for everybody. I think everybody had in common on our side, whether it's J.D. Vance, you, me, Tucker, Charlie, everybody was talking about how Israel is driving us into a war with Iran and that their conflict in Gaza is overkill. I think that was sort of the consensus. And so the idea that they moved to take out Charlie Kirk because he, like everybody, was maybe having some second thoughts or maybe some doubts about very specific things. He wasn't anti-Jewish, he wasn't anti-Israel, he wasn't moving in that direction. He had doubts about specific things. To me, I find that very hard to believe. So, in terms of who benefits, I think that Israel's maybe the least likely. And I would say that because Charlie Kirk might have been one of their few remaining true allies.

26:51 I don't know that Israel would count Tucker Carlson or Candace Owens or you or me or so many people as better allies than him. I think he was pretty reliable and pretty solid. I think there is a credible angle, like you said, that who else might have wanted him dead? Well, people on the left. And I think that that was probably what motivated the Ryan Ruth character who was just found guilty the other day. He was out there at Mar-a-Lago a year ago, as was Thomas Crooks who took the shot against Trump last year. There were people last year that said that there might have been an Israeli conspiracy when Trump was shot in the ear. I asked the same question. Why exactly would they want him taken out when he was taking money from Miriam Adelson, when he was promising at that time to go to war with Iran, among other things? Well, let me ask you this, and you keep going, you're trying to thaw it.

27:40 This is a key point clearly synthetic immediate instant attack on you within hours that should tell us who was behind it or who piggyback to try to Who would want to who would want to blame you? I mean, how does that feel within hours? I've never had it this bad to literally be blamed everywhere that Bill Maher do it everybody else Why why would they target you immediately who would do that a and then be? Who would target you and then push the story that you secretly work for Israel?

28:17 I think a lot of that stuff was coming from the left, to tell you the truth. I mean, I saw a lot of these synthetic posts accusing me of covering up for Israel. It was coming from a lot of far left groups like the American Communist Party with Jackson Hinkle. It was all those types of accounts. And what would be their benefit in accusing someone like myself of covering up for Israel? It's maybe to divert attention away from the radical left wing theory. If the guy is a left winger, if the killer is a left winger, the left obviously wants to divert attention away from that. They want to deflect it. So what do they do? They blame the radical right. And then when it turns out it's not the radical right, well, then they say it's Israel and the radical right's covering up for Israel if they blame the left. Exactly. The bots are pushing us away from Soros and the left who have the main motive. My gut, everything lined up, I'm not sure. But if it turns out there was help and it's starting to look like that,

29:11 then it goes to the establishment left. I think so, and I would also say though at the same time, you know who else benefits from all this immensely? It is the GOP. It just is. And you saw it in this memorial on Sunday. This was my critique of it. The real beneficiary of this entire thing is how the GOP is going to get to spin it, and they're going to say that this constitutes a new great awakening. This is the revival of conservatism. I was gonna go there. I was gonna say that. And nobody said this yet, we're saying it. And I'm not saying this happened, but if you want to really war game stuff, it goes DNC, RNC, and then just chaos agents that want civil war, CCP, and then you've got Israel under that.

30:02 I think that's apropos. And I think that because right after this assassination, we're now hearing that there's a declaration of war against the radical left, NGOs. And on some level, I agree with some of it. I think that the people who celebrated his death, I think they should lose their jobs. But then Pam Bondi got on TV and said, we need hate speech legislation. And those are two different things. And now all of a sudden they're talking about- But now you're talking Israel, that's literally the ADLs. and

30:49 Is the tail wagging the dog or in what direction is it coming from? But I almost wonder if it's some sort of GOP operation because again, who was Charlie Kirk? I don't necessarily think he was an Israeli spy in the same vein as a Ben Shapiro. I think he was pro-Israel, but I think he was pro-Israel incidentally because he's a GOP advocate, let's say a GOP lieutenant. principally a party man for the GOP and when the kind of ideology the GOP was against Israel's interest, he tended to defy Israel when Israel's pushing us into war with Iran. He was chafing at the Israel lobby's interest. So clearly there's a difference between Kirk and Shapiro, as evidenced even by their final interview where Kirk was sort of asking him some tough questions. So if Kirk is like a party man, who is he? He's a GOP party man. He's a bag man. He manages money. People were saying he might be on a presidential ticket maybe in 28, maybe in 32, maybe with Don Jr.

31:49 He's obviously super powerful there. Is it possible that he was maybe taken out as maybe competition and then becomes a martyr to empower the people that took him out? Okay, well I haven't said this on air. I hinted it last week. I've heard that from very credible people. They're not sure, but they said Democrats top, RNC next, Chi-Coms or some chaos group below that. If the story doesn't add up, and now it doesn't. So let's talk about that. You said we haven't talked since he was killed. We have talked on the phone the day it happened and then text a lot. Do you remember a few months ago I called you and I said, Nick, you need to be very careful because you're moving the needle so much politically that there's a lot of different forces in their calculations that are going to come after you. And also, who else did I say? I said, I said, you and Charlie Kirk. You remember that conversation?

32:44 I do. I do. I remember well and you said that you said this is the NFL now you said and this is serious and you said they're coming for us. I mean you basically predicted it. You don't get enough credit. You predict a lot of stuff on your show. It's off the show. It's the same deal. Well I was simply saying I've done this long term expose the overall systems so people can make their own decisions. Long game, you know, whatever. But I said, you and Charlie are the most prominent people. You got this battle, basically already took over his organization intellectually. And I said, because it's got 500 million in the bank, because the RNC is jealous of him, I didn't say specific, remember what I said, the RNC and Kirk. And I said, you got to worry about the Democrats

33:28 And but I said he's going to worry about the RNC. So it's funny when I'm just being behind the scenes. I'm always honest on air, but I don't want to like say things without all my proof behind the scenes. I'll just really say what I'm thinking and I'm not trying to say this what you just said, but I just want people to know that there's that and and yeah, and so. And everybody that criticizes us, we're actually on the field folks. Gladiators in war. People can sit there, not against them, another economy shot in your mom's basement. How you do better in all this, just understand we're risking our lives and I'm not bitching or whining, I'm not a victim. Just understand. We're in the arena. We're actual gladiators here. This is not for us. This isn't a game. This is life and death situation. And I just wanted to tell you, because gut level, good level, looking at all of it. I said, Nick, and I never called you a drama queen, stuff like that. I just said, listen, you and Charlie Kirk, I just feel in the ether.

34:19 Both of you guys are at the very top of the future. They want to control that future. They're worried about your trajectory I didn't say what your strategy should be. I said, I don't know I just said you got a lot of power and I didn't realize how much power I had like 15 16 years ago or 10 years ago That's why I had the foundations and the agency's coming after me and trying to buy me off and all the rest of it And I didn't realize my reach then. So you tend to, I know this, underestimate it. I'm just saying with great power comes great responsibility. And I'm not saying what you should do. I didn't tell you what you should do. I didn't say moderate anything. I just said, you need to understand you. I said, you're not just in the NFL now. You're on one of the main teams, a quarterback. So I'm just saying, you realize now the level you're at, right?

35:01 I do well and obviously based on what happened to Kirk I think everybody realizes how serious it is. That's when it got real for everybody for you me everybody in this whole thing whatever is going on because it's a very confusing time and you're right I mean you called me up and you said like this you said these these people are gangsters man that's what you said you said these people are gangsters. This is a dangerous game. You said you got a lot of power and and like you said it is about the future. So You know you were 100 percent on the money. It's crazy. You said that almost exactly like a week before it happened. You know the timing was very prescient in that way. And obviously things are changing very rapidly.

35:40 I said this on Twitter the other day. I said, this is the eighth front in Israel's war. We're also in the middle of World War III. We're in this war with Ukraine. We're in this war in the Middle East. This multipolar moment, you've got the solvency crisis, the sovereign debt crisis with the United States. This is one of those world historical inflection points. Like in 1917, like in 1945, like in 1989, this is like an historical inflection point. And whenever that happens, There's a lot of these forces that intervene to try to control the next phase, the next phase of history. I agree with you. It's a mega turning. It's all three of those dates combined. You know, it's 45 and 19. You know, it's all of it combined in a mega spasm right now.

36:28 I absolutely agree. I think you're right. It's maybe the biggest one yet. And whenever it's like an earthquake, it's literally tectonic plates shifting. And it's that destabilization, which is what causes the kinds of things you're seeing domestically, internationally, the whole thing is destabilizing. The whole thing is coming apart and people are trying to hang on for dear life. I think that's one of the reasons that makes it so confusing. We're in kind of these days of lead now. Trump getting shot, CEOs getting shot, Charlie Kirk gets shot. That by itself should make people ask. People coming to your house to kill you? I keep bringing that up. Don't you love how almost no one defended you when that guy came to kill you and then died in a shootout with police?

37:10 Yeah, it's unbelievable. I mean, the way they covered that up, they covered it up the day it happened. The media reported it. They said Nick Fuentes claims, allegedly claims it's on video. He got shot in my alley by the cops. He comes in your door with a gun. I'm going to kill you in a motorcycle helmet. He dies at a shootout with the cops behind your house and no one covered it. No, well, no one covered it. No one said anything. And, and you wonder even what was going on with that. Cause we never even got any answers and I'm glad you bring it up. I almost forget about it because it wasn't successful. You know, it wasn't a successful attempt. So then for that reason, it kind of fades into the distance nine millimeter and he's banging on the door saying, Hey Nick, Hey Nick. And, and you're right. Nobody covered that at all. I did.

38:00 Yeah, and I appreciated that. You did. You're coming for me too, buddy. Yeah, we got to look out for each other. But it should be considered part of this trend because that is the disturbing trend line. And I feel like a lot of this stuff, they sort of count on it getting memory hold. Trump got shot. Then you had another guy come to Mar-a-Lago. Someone came to my house. Luigi Mangione. You also have all these school shootings. You also have these school shootings in Wisconsin and Tennessee and the Catholic Church in Minneapolis. And all these are extremely strange. They're very online people. There was a school shooting the same day that Charlie Kirk was killed in Denver, Colorado. Some kid obsessed with school shooters, 16 years old, came to school, shot and killed two people. And no one even knows about that. We had two ICE facilities shot up in Texas last month.

38:49 Exactly right, one today, one today. And they shot all illegal immigrants. And then they pull out the bullet casing and they wrote with it, with magic marker, blue pen, they said anti-ICE. Was those instructions from the FBI of what to engrave or did the guy write it himself? Oh, this is an anti-ice shooting. Let's mark it down in pen. This is an anti-ice false flag. So something weird is going on here and that's kind of the feeling I just can't shake. All the lies, the fake conspiracy theories, the real conspiracy theories, the violence, I just can't shake the feeling that something really strange is happening. And I don't even know that we're

39:29 that we're even approaching understanding what it is. That's what kind of scares me. Something big and bad is about to happen and it's all about the old monetary system dying. It's all about all these points coming together in a crescendo right now. That's right. It's the confluence of all of these different things. You're so on the money, no pun intended, with the monetary system, the multipolar moment, Ukraine war, simultaneous with the Israel fighting for power, this Trump government that's been thrust in there, something big is happening. And I agree with you, something big is coming. Like it's not hard to see. This is like when all the birds start flying away and the dogs start barking. It's like you see enough of this random acts of violence. And rats start coming out of their holes and turtles start running to high ground.

40:17 The worms are coming out of the ground. Yeah, it's it this is like Running for the hills like and I'm not that guy. I mean we've known each other a long time I've never been that guy. There's about two weeks before Charlie got killed. I said I can feel it. I can see it. I don't know I just said they're coming to kill you. They're coming to kill Charlie Kirk I said these are gangsters and I just I just out of the ether Got level, got, we got a gut level feeling, but it's, it's real. I mean, there is a real, I do believe in that there is an instinctual thing about this. I don't just call you up randomly. You know, we might talk like once a month. I'm not like drama, queening people. I don't just call up and say stuff. Did I ever, ever call you before? We're talking like nine years. Did I ever just call him and say something like that before? No, never, never, never. It was, you know, like you said, it's, this is something we're dialed in. And I told you, I said, you need to cancel your events. I don't think I'm not saying cut and run. I said, Nick, they're coming.

41:05 You did and you were right. You were right. Something's coming. I'm with you and I'm worried about the next shoe to drop. You know, you see Charlie Kirk and take it out. Maybe not one big thing. It's a bunch of big things and they all feel bad. What are they? I think there's going to be more political violence. That's that's I mean, the most obvious thing is copycats. If this was real, if this was fake, it doesn't matter. I mean, it does matter, but it doesn't matter in the sense that other psychos are going to look at this on either side. and they're gonna be inscribing stuff in the bullets and people are gonna be taking shots. And you could see it's becoming more frequent. We've been talking about this for like the last year and a half, you and me, every time we do a discussion, we say, Luigi Mangione is a harbinger of things to come. There's gonna be left-wing violence, drone attacks, assassinations, they're gonna try stuff, it's coming. And it's increasing in frequency. It is by definition a crescendo because we're just getting it more at a quicker pace.

42:01 And I think it is building towards maybe something big, maybe a big false flag. That's kind of... And you remember... Let me throw this at you. Let me throw... Go there, but let me throw this out for you. Yeah. The Podesta plan, cause a race war, trigger all this to drive Trump from, you know, all these plans is the Trump admin doing stuff to pre-trigger it before to stop their uprising. I'm not saying that's the case, but 100% here that this lays the ground to now false flag a traditionally black college, which they closed saying supporters threatened, or the shooting up, as I've been saying, of a bunch of migrants to then be blamed on Trump supporters and trigger the civil war. And then go to your point, sorry.

42:42 Yeah, no, absolutely. They are priming the pump. I mean, we're sitting on a powder keg for that reason. After Charlie Kirk died, it's not all hunky-dory. Everybody went to that memorial and said, oh, you know, we're choosing faith and forgiveness and all this kind of stuff. They don't realize racially, ideologically, religiously, this is like a powder keg situation. And all it's gonna take is one nut job, one psycho, an agent provocateur. Like you said, is it gonna be an ICE thing? Is it gonna be a black white thing with the arena, Zarutska killing just a week before Charlie Kirk died? What exactly kind of shape is it going to take? On some level, it doesn't matter. It has the potential to trigger something extremely volatile. And the two things where I was gonna go with it is,

43:25 In May, just before the Iran war started with Israel, you remember, the think tank came out and said it's our knee-jerk response to call things a false flag. Then, after the ice riots, Trump assembles this emergency response National Guard force in the East Coast and on the West Coast, a rapid deployment force in the event of riots. You got this National Guard coming to city after city. It's like, it feels like the storm clouds are rolling in and maybe, maybe there's, they're anticipating something that the general public is not, but I get a very bad- Hold on, stop. We have another hour coming up and I want you to be very slow because I forgot about that. That's why these brainstorms are good.

44:07 Didn't even attack you and others you have these big think tanks coming out tied to Israel saying we've got to pre demonize Anybody that says false flag when these big terror attacks come We've got to be ready to censor for the false flag remind me of the group because I'm having a scene all moment here I don't remember the name of it's an obscure group. It's an obscure cutout of it was related to the ADL. It's the same Yeah, yeah, we'll look that up right you got Yeah, they were saying we got to get ahead of the false flag narrative when the attacks come. And we were like, that's the pre-programming you and I said on the show two months ago, that's what's telling you it's coming. We got to get ahead of false flags when the attacks happen. What you're telling us is what you're doing here. Exactly. Yeah, they write in the report, well, hey, if anybody says there's a false flag in two weeks, don't believe them. That's not real. It's like, OK, so. Well, they said we got to have our censorship bots ready to suppress that.

45:04 Right, right. So it's like a hunter-binder laptop suppression, like you're gonna suppress us saying it's a false flag ahead of it coming? You're telling us. Right, right. It's predictive programming in that way. So I don't like it. I don't like what they're saying in the think tanks. I don't like what law enforcement's been saying. There it is, the Institute for Strategic Dialogue. Stay there. Nick J. Fuentes on Rumble, on X, and where else should people find your show? It's weeknight Tuesday around 10 o'clock at night. Yes, yeah, Monday through Friday, Rumble and X and Telegram. I'm on all three. All right, I'm gonna go to break back in two minutes. Ladies and gentlemen, they got a bunch of organic brainwashed leftists out engaging all sorts of crime and murder. That's a fact that's going on.

45:47 But can you piggyback on top of these discords and six trannies saying he'll be dead tomorrow? And then oh see we told you clearly they had them out there bare minimum as a cover story to piggyback and killing. The question is who did it? 30 on six didn't do it. I don't think the I don't think the surgeon's lying that he was told that's it. told it goes through, goes down, bounces back up, they have the bullet. Where is it? There's not going to be an autopsy. They would have said there was an autopsy. That right there is a cover-up when you study medical examiners. This is a shorter segment, Nick. I want to get into Russia and Ukraine. I know you want to. And Trump's horrible statement yesterday and again I just call balls and strikes that's coming up I've been wanting to just get into general issues of the country, the world and things that are happening and how people can prepare themselves for all that's happening, the AI coming out but putting bookends on this

46:40 If they don't release, which I believe that no autopsy was done, we've heard about it and the bullet, then we know there's a coverup. What do you see that doing? Because they're going to keep Kirk out there. He was super popular. The RNC is kind of coming in and taking over. And then this is not going to go away. This is going to turn into a whole new Epstein thing. Yeah, I don't see people letting go. I think that people are going to stay on top of this and it's kind of curious because they are gonna have their cake and eat it too. The GOP is using Charlie Kirk's death with the memorial and everything else to justify their pre-existing agenda. I saw JD Vance jump in front of it. They did this big memorial. They're going to use it in the midterm elections. They're going to use it for

47:25 the hate speech or whatever other sort of agenda they have. And at the same time, it seems that a significant portion of their base doesn't even believe the narrative and thinks that Charlie Kirk was some sort of martyr for Israel, which of course. or rather a martyr against Israel, which of course Israel is deeply in bed with the GOP, which is exploiting the death. So it's a very weird kind of triangulation there and it's weird how both of these things seem to be true at the same time. It's like they exist in superposition. Half the country believes or half the right wing believes It was a left-wing nut job and that's why we have to crush Antifa and arrest everybody and ban hate speech and ban Jimmy Kimmel. And the other half of the base says that he was a martyr going down for America first against Israel. And well, who would be involved in the cover-up? It's Kash Patel. It's the Trump administration, which is now using it. So

48:18 I wonder how this will reflect in the midterms. I wonder how this will express itself in GOP politics in the coming months, in the next couple of years. And I'm going to wait and I'm going to reserve complete judgment until we see the actual trial. I wonder if after they pick the jury and they actually hold the trial with the accused, I wonder if we're going to get some answers. But I think that in the meantime, they need to reassure the public and answer some of the basic stuff. Who are these out-of-state license plates that were at the Tyler Robinson's house the day before? Where's the exit wound? Where's the bullet? What's going on with that?

48:54 They need to start providing at least some of these basic answers. Otherwise, I don't know how they're ever going to recover. I don't know how anyone can trust this administration. And not for nothing, but you pointed out with Epstein, It is very interesting how this is the same Department of Justice that put out that memo saying there's no Epstein Black Book. There's no client list, there's nothing to see there. This is the same DOJ, this is the same FBI that we're supposed to say now they're going to tell us the truth 100%. They don't engage in cover-ups. They just got done covering up the previous cover-up with this cover-up. I don't know where we go from here, but I think people need to be very skeptical of what we see coming out of this Trump government in the next few months, especially in the name of Charlie Kirk, because I don't trust him one bit. That's why I see it coming in the next few months. Back in 60 seconds with Nick Fuentes. Stay with us and share the live feeds from Rumble, the Alex Jones Channel.

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51:02 Well, one of the best parts of seeing the corporate media establishment that's been irrelevant for many years totally collapsing on itself. and to see censorship fails, we get to see all of the amazing minds and ideas. Some of it I disagree with, and a lot of it I agree with, Nick. But the point is, this is the real animating contest of liberty. This is what happens when the stagnation gets shut down and you just get a chance for free thought to happen. It is exciting, and people resonate with it. Now, Nick, let's talk about this. You're, I would say generally black-pilled, you can disagree with that.

51:58 I look at things and say, on the economy, on the border, and previously with war trying to stop it, and standing up to the UN, getting out of the carbon taxes, RFK Jr., going after all the poison shots, the Tylenol, I mean they're banning the stuff, it's amazing. And I'm on cloud nine saying, oh, you black pill people, you know, you're full of crap. And I was thinking to you and I said, I'm going to tear into Foy and Taz tomorrow and say, look how you sit there and you bitch at you playing about the problems, but you're not cheerleading enough for the good. And would you rather Kamala in there? And then the last hour of the show, they come in and they go, there's clips of Trump. Here's what he said.

52:40 And oh, Ukraine can win and you can get all your territory back and this is going to be great and we're going to get all the weapons and to, you know, NATO doing a 180. And I was like, this is terrible. And then I didn't read his true social. I just saw it and saw the top because it said what the news said. So that, oh, I was, I wasn't lazy. I was busy. I didn't read the whole thing. There it is on screen. He goes, oh, you're going to win. It's great. Russia's going to collapse. NATO needs to move in, which is Putin's red line. And who knows, you'll probably take over Russia. When you read that quote about maybe even more go further than that. Zelensky has said we're going to go into Moscow. The head of the EU has said, their economic ministers, it's a 20-30 year war. It'll be conventional. It'll collapse Russia if it takes 20-30 years and then we'll divide it up in five parts.

53:32 That's the declaration of war on Russia and NATO. We put the maps up since 91 moving all the way around them moving hypersonic missiles up at their borders Firing them in they can be nuclear-tipped any minute. That's what Putin said. We fire five of them at a time We won't nuke you but we see hundreds a major aeronautics of thing. We believe it's a nuclear sneak attack. We're gonna hit you So the threat escalation ladder for those that don't study the RAND Corporation and Pentagon war games and others, this is way more dangerous than the Cuban Missile Crisis, previously seen by experts as the worst, most dangerous point. Minutes to midnight, we're now 30 seconds to midnight. Even the International Atomic, you know, Scientist Group says this is the closest ever. I don't just believe them. I am an expert. I'm into this since I was a kid. I mean, I had family involved in nuclear weapons and forward and rear. And I grew up learning about it.

54:19 And so my dad's uncle ran Nike missile batteries in Turkey and that's why the Russians put medium range ballistic missiles into Cuba. And that got declassified about 20 years ago. I'm like six, seven years old and I'm sitting there listening to Pat Lynn around the table while they're playing dominoes, drinking whiskey at midnight, talking about, you know, this is a secret, but I, you know, he was on record. He was a Nike missile instructor and did all that. So I, I've sat knee-high to grasshopper on this. This is so close, ladies and gentlemen. And you read this from Trump, this is sickening.

54:59 And I understand it's just part of the deal and Russia knows NATO's not gonna stop so Russia's winning, got all these cities and towns. They don't want the whole thing, they want a buffer zone. So, but now NATO wants to go in, now Trump's backing NATO with a quarter million man and woman army, conscriptions being brought back including women. I mean this This doesn't smell of Armageddon. This is Armageddon. Remember two years ago, Biden, we can't send an F-16 to Abrams. That goes up the escalation ladder to World War III. We're way past that now. So we're about to see a new Operation Spiderweb 4,000 miles into Russia blowing up their bombers. I mean, this is not flirting.

55:38 This is asking for nuclear war, Nick. So, literally, I was gonna finally, I'll really, you know, people want to fight and look good and I think Nick's wrong and I was like, I was like, I was like, oh, this is a celebration and damn it, look what we're doing and all that good Trump's doing doesn't matter if he acts like this. What the hell is this, Nick? It's unbelievable. He actually said they're going to retake all the territory, which is a complete reversal. I mean, to your credit, it was defensible, I think, maybe right up until the middle of August when Trump and Putin had that meeting in Alaska. And it seemed that

56:17 There might have been some possibility of a peace agreement or a ceasefire or something like that. And at that meeting in August, Trump said Ukraine may have to give up some territory, like it looked like. And by the way, that was their position this entire year. The entire year for the past nine months of the Trump administration, they were trying to compel Ukraine and Europe to give up territorial concessions. In other words, to freeze the battle line, let Russia have the Donbass, let them have Zaporizhzhia, let them have Kharkiv, and we were just going to call it quits and say stop the killing. That was the position of the State Department, that was the position of the White House, and now- And I'm not criticizing Trump, he's cutting off the weapons, he's making them do a deal, but now he just blew all that up.

57:04 It's a complete reversal. It's a complete 180 and now he's saying the exact opposite of what he's been saying the whole year Which is gone five months ago publicly spankings Alinsky in the Oval Office, too I'm sorry giving a blowjob on television Yeah, people forget about that. But I mean, he did literally drag Zelensky in there. Oh, wow. Thanks for dressing up. I have all the cards. How dare you? And now he has one meeting with him at the General Assembly the other day and says, we're going to help you get back all the territory. How is that going to happen? Ukraine has no soldiers. They can't get people to show up. You got 100000 deserters. The front line is is like Swiss cheese. They have

57:45 drones and maybe in some places two or three people defending miles and miles of the front line and they're saying now they're gonna fight back for every inch, every square mile of Russian territory? How's that even gonna happen? And what went under the radar, by the way, not only did Trump say, excuse me, that we're gonna take back all the territory and we're gonna push Russia back, But he also said in the press conference that NATO countries should shoot down Russian jets. Did you catch that? There's been these alleged violations of Polish and Estonian airspace by what they say are Russian drones and by Russian jets.

58:23 And so there's been this invocation of Article 4 of NATO, where they have this consultation about the security threat. They say that there were drones coming into Poland. We didn't know if they're decoys, were they launched from Ukraine, Belarus, or what even are they? And Estonia then they said- And now Trump is doing- submarine nuke launched test for the Russians. U.S. Navy carried out four missile tests, unarmed Trident II D5LE missiles that carry hydrogen bombs, launched from nuclear-capable Ohio-class sub off the east coast of Florida, estimated range 8,500 kilometers. This is bad. And this is after they parked two submarines on either side of the Russian coast when they're threatening nuclear war last month. It's horrible and I think

59:09 This administration, the deep state, they want a hot war with Russia. That's obviously where this is going. They recognize that Russia is winning. Russia is unstoppable. They're going to break the Ukrainian line. That is inevitable because Ukraine just doesn't have the manpower. So that's the bad feeling first and foremost we're feeling. It's hiding in plain view. We are barreling into total war. We're barreling into a hot war with Russia, where the United States and NATO are shooting at the Russians because they know that's the only way to stop them. And what does that look like? This is going to be the first great power conflict, nuclear conflict between nuclear armed states since the invention of nuclear weapons. I don't think anyone has any idea how or where this is going to go or how quickly. And of course, this is happening simultaneously with

59:57 every other war that we're getting into. Regime change in Venezuela, regime change in Iran. Now this. So we were promised no new wars. That was the whole premise last year. We were promised that, you know, the Ukraine war was an anomaly because of Biden's mental health and that it was the people around him, the State Department, the National Endowment for Democracy pushing this stuff. Now it seems like Trump is literally just picking up where Biden left off. This is carrying on and it's maybe even worse. What do you think the change was? I think that Trump legitimately thought that he could bring the war to an end.

1:00:39 And I think maybe on some level the State Department welcomed Trump in because it let them change their demands. Because under the Biden administration, they said, we're going to take back everything, Russia's a war criminal, et cetera. And I think they let Trump come in because Trump's message was more conciliatory. Trump said, well, we'll let you keep what you have. Let's just stop the war. And so it was a different appeal and different demands. And Putin was not going for that because Putin doesn't trust us. He knows that the second there's a ceasefire, we're just going to load up Ukraine with weapons. They're going to fortify the front line and the war is going to start again. So Putin wasn't going for it. I think now they realize

1:01:20 There's just no way that Russia's gonna stop. The Ukraine can't stop them. They won't agree to stop. No, you're exactly right, because Russia knows it's all about NATO and now Trump said, yeah, NATO should come in and basically take over. That's the red line. So Russia's not blinking. And so now I guess Trump says, hey, he said good luck though. Like, oh, you're going to take over Russia. Maybe it's sarcasm. Yeah, Zelensky, you're really great. You're going to win. We'll sell you weapons. But goodbye. Have fun in your war. Then we should leave NATO so we don't get nuked in this. Right. And I don't like the glibness. You know, good law. That's sort of the problem. We don't even really know where he stands on this. We're not actually getting, say what you will about the Biden administration. We knew the white paper. We knew the official policy of the U.S. government.

1:02:08 To an extent, you can say that what Trump is doing is gunboat diplomacy, like you said, art of the deal. It's all negotiating. They're playing games of nuclear war. I don't like that. It's one thing when you're doing brinksmanship with North Korea. It's a totally different thing when you're doing whatever this is with Russia. So. I know they have 50 submarines off our coast. By the way, when Trump said I've sent two, we got like 30 subs off their coast, maybe more. But yeah, the point is he told them, I got subs ready to nuke you. The subs are all with the triggers off, aiming at each other forever. I mean, it's just, it's insane. You got Lindsey Graham literally having orgasms on TV that now we're about to bomb Russia. Now we're giving the heavy weapons to them. We'll get to that in a moment. I mean, this is cuckoo town.

1:02:52 It is, and this is just not what anybody voted for. I of course didn't vote for Trump. I didn't vote for this because I sort of saw this coming, but look, the people that did vote for Trump... Well, you predicted he'd do the Iran thing, but did you think he'd do this on Russia? I didn't. I know not not to this extent. I said in December I said I think people are going to be surprised that Trump will have to escalate before even attempting to deescalate. I said there's no way Trump is going to accept a loss right out of the gate. But I had no idea they were going to push it this far. This is more extreme than Biden. And It's deja vu all over again because you know, you remember in the first term Obama really started this with Euromaidan in 2014 and they supported Ukraine against the secession, the Donbass War, before Russia got directly involved or officially involved. When Trump got in in the first term he was sending Ukraine lethal aid. He was arming Ukraine and Ukraine was buying drugs

1:03:49 and they were getting actual weapons from America. He sent them tens of thousands of thousands of tens of thousands of low-tech thousands of anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles. Exactly, so that he escalated from Obama in the first term and now he's escalating from Biden in the second term and Yeah, nobody voted for nuclear war. Nobody voted for war with Russia. And this was maybe like one of the big things, if not the biggest thing next to immigration, why we needed Trump in some sense. I know there were, it was very contentious whether to support Trump or not for me on my show. I would say at the minimum, the two reasons that you would make the case to vote for him that were undeniable were

1:04:32 the war in Ukraine and immigration. And there's maybe an argument to be made about immigration, but this is just a catastrophe of epic proportions. Let's expand on that. I think you nailed it. That's what I've been thinking. Let's just put a clear touch to this. Trump literally thought he could end this. He thought Russia would make a deal. Russia knows it's winning. Plus, they don't trust NATO. There's a bunch of double dealing. And so he will not feel like he's lost. So if Russia won't do the deal he wants, then he's going to give Europe what they want in the green light for war, all so he can be the King Kong gorilla. And that is stupid.

1:05:14 It is stupid. It's reckless. It's reckless and it's dangerous and we didn't vote for this. He said last year, I'm going to have it solved in 24 hours. That was the promise. He said, I'll have it solved before I even get inaugurated, between the election and the inauguration. And you're exactly right. He came in thinking that it was going to be art of the deal. When Obama said, what magic wand do you have? Trump thought he was going to wave the wand, the war would be over. And on some level, There is an element of ego in this. I think you kind of said that in what you just said a moment ago. Trump knows that if he cut the deal that Putin is willing to make, then this is going to be a loss. This is gonna cut, this is gonna be called out on the ledger as a loss for America, as a loss for Trump. And I think there's something about him, he's unwilling to accept that. Because what you would do if you wanted to end the war is cut the aid to Ukraine. Ukraine can't fight this war alone. And Europe can't fight the war on behalf of Ukraine. And do what Mike Lee said, pull out of NATO.

1:06:15 Exactly. Pull us out because Ukraine knows and Europe knows too, they can only play these games when they can count on America to come in and bail them out. Europe and Ukraine combined cannot fight Russia. So all this big talk, all them assembling at the White House and demanding that Trump give security guarantees, that is with the expectation that we will bail them out if shit hits the fan, you know, if things got out of control. So if you want to end the war, you cut off Ukraine, you pull out of NATO, good luck, you know, that's good luck. And then Ukraine is forced to deal on Russia's terms. Then they have to agree to give up what they've lost. Then they have to agree to whatever Russia demands and you get an end to the war. But Trump doesn't want to call it a loss. So for people that aren't that bright, most of our listeners are, but I want to explain something. War is the most studied thing there is in history, okay, maybe other than medicine.

1:07:07 There's a threat escalation ladder. The Chinese study it, the Russians, the French, the US. All their war games are the same. Now they have AI. This all leads to nuclear war if people keep escalating and don't make a deal with all these weapons. Lindsey Graham knows that and now says we're going to total war and starts biting his lip like he's having an orgasm. This is satanic. This is the ghost of John McCain. This is crazy. It's not part of the deal. You can do that in business. War is when business is broken down and all the other means have failed. And so, I mean, I'm ready to get on an airplane. I could meet with Trump if I wanted to, but not if he hears I want to disagree. If he wants to pat me on the head, I can go have dinner with him. But I mean, I'm ready to go bullhorn the White House over this. I mean, this is insane. And I love all the good stuff he's doing, but if we have a nuclear war, none of that matters. Here's Lindsey Graham literally having orgasms on television as he prepares to start Armageddon.

1:08:01 Trump 2028. I hope this never ends. When he asks, what should you do if a Russian jet flies into your country? Shoot it down. He's tried to go out of his way to get Putin to the table. We don't want to humiliate Russia. We just want to end the war and to our friends in Russia Here's what Trump did today. He told NATO I'll sell you all the weapons you want You can provide them to Ukraine and as to Ukraine you can use them any way you want So to the Russian military, you're going to be up against the high-end American weapons that will be sold to NATO for the benefit of Ukraine. And this war is coming to your backyard here with no limitations like Biden.

1:08:46 So, four years ago, before the escalation happened, the official war was already happening, Putin said, if you sell long-range heavy weapons, any country selling them will be seen as an enemy, will be targeted, which is legitimate. I mean, if Russia was selling Mexico 2,000-pound hypersonic cruise missiles, we would blame Russia. So, this is Graham literally going, we're going to war with Russia, that we're going to cross the red line, biting his lip. What do you say to that, Nick Fuentes? That is a literal demon right there. It is, it's satanic. How else could you watch that clip and think anything else? This is obviously some kind of blackmailed Manchurian candidate for the deep state. That's what he has always been. That's what John McCain was. That's what a lot of these people are. He's on television. And even the way he says it, I hope this never ends. Hope what never ends? The killing, the bloodshed, thousands of people dying every day. And if it never ends- Remember he said it's the perfect war. Ukrainians die and we just make money.

1:09:47 It gives echoes of Hillary Clinton. It's kind of like the same maniacal cackling, you know, he came, we came, we saw, he died, ha ha, you know, what difference does it make? It's like the same vibes, like these people worship death and destruction, they worship annihilation, and this goes on forever, where do you think it's going to go? It doesn't, like you said, with the escalation ladder, it doesn't continue at this, at a low boil forever, at a kind of a contained low boil conflict forever. Eventually it does escalate. Ukraine unleashes attacks on Russian soil like they did in Operation Spider Web, attacking strategic aircraft. Then what do you think Russia does? Well, they're going to start to attack the people providing the weapons for Ukraine and then what do we do? Shoot down- And by the way, if Putin doesn't do that, all the analysts agree, the hardliners will remove him.

1:10:34 Right, right, we'll get something worse. So for all these fantasies about removing Putin from power or waiting for him to die or toppling his regime, what do you think you're gonna get next? You're gonna get somebody far worse and far more extreme. That's almost always the case anywhere, any conflict you're talking about. So, you know, we want this actually to stop immediately as opposed to go on forever. And by the way, Gallup has gone and done internal polls in Russia, very accurate. This war had like 82% approval, it's over 90. The Russians want war now, they're pissed off. And they love Putin. They approve of the war and they love Putin. They see this as an existential battle, which it is. It is an existential battle and it is a battle for their sovereignty. Imagine if we were totally encircled by a multinational force. Americans would be screaming for fighting.

1:11:24 Well, and that just that kind of analogy, it just shows you how ridiculous the whole thing is. Ukraine shares a border with Russia. We want to be doing military exercises on their border. We want to deprive them of their ports. What happens if Russia takes over Guantanamo Bay in Mexico? Would we allow that? Would we allow Russian long-range missiles in Mexico City? Obviously not. And yet this is literally, we're fighting for nuclear war for our right to do that. I think that there's just no reason for it. I mean, we're clearly in an inflection point. So how do we put pressure on Trump? Is he just doing art of the deal stuff or is he compromised? I believe he is still doing art of the deal on some level. I think it's his own sick way because you understand that Trump, he really just has these two modes, which is conciliatory and then the maximalist demands. So in his

1:12:21 In his juvenile mind, in this kind of art of the deal mind, he's saying, okay, well, Putin, we rolled out the red carpet. We showed you Mr. Nice Guy. We talked about comprehensive cooperation on other matters like the Arctic or whatever. You don't want to play ball. Okay, fine. Now we'll shoot down jets. Now we'll put extraordinary pressure on you. Now we're going to get behind Europe and Ukraine. I guess we have to wait and see is, is there going to be a policy change? Is there going to be anything meaningful? Because he backed down from putting these extreme sanctions on India for buying Russian oil. We have to see if there's actually going to be any kind of meaningful change in policy, because it could be all talk. Trump is all talk. He always chickens out with China, with terrorists, with the National Guard in Chicago. I mean, you name it, everything that he says. Exactly. But he's chickening out on the dumbass commie mayor

1:13:14 and the Democrat governor. This is the biggest nuclear power and the Russians are taking this seriously. You know they're having the same discussions, but you just, you don't play around with this. It's very reckless. And I will say it, those statements by Trump were incompetent. It is incompetence. And it's my life and our planet's life. So Trump better reverse this right now or I'm gonna start going on the warpath. Jesus Christ, we'll be right back. Stay with us. I want to put bookends on this sleepwalking into thermal nuclear hellfire and then move into some other issues. Nick Fuentes, amazing interview today. Very thought provoking. I appreciate being here. Find everything on Nick J. Fuentes on Rumble and more there. There's a normalcy bias in people that don't study history. You can learn through experience, instruction or revelation. The best way is obviously revelation.

1:14:11 But the most common obviously would be experience. People don't tend to listen to instruction as much as they listen to actually, you know, don't stick your finger in a light socket or whatever. But there's a normalcy bias that everything's fine, everything's just gonna go on the way it's gone. When you study 90% of people not being self-sufficient, being urban, if there's a collapse, it's World War Z. It's not like the Great Depression, it's a thousand times worse. I mean, just all the Pentagon studies are dead on. Cannibalism within five, six days, total collapse in 15. You think army ants can eat the jungle, you know, in Brazil down to nothing? This will make army ants look like a walk in the park. You got that, you got the globalist trying to collapse stuff, believing they can manage a collapse for control, even more insane. That's being repudiated by Trump, that's good. In real action, not just rhetoric. Then you got them flirting with nuclear war. Everybody's like, oh, there'll never be a nuclear war because there hasn't been a nuclear war.

1:15:09 But then all the real studies, and I've done the research, I know they're right. We are so close. So people better pray. And everybody being victims and bitching and husbands and wives fighting and all this stupid crap is going to evaporate instantly and this stuff kicks off. and it goes from bad to worse. You got Trump basically taking over the Federal Reserve, that's a huge victory. I mean, it's so paradoxical, but the nuclear war card or just say full conventional war with Russia, which they believe they'll never go to nukes, they're going to win that. The Chai Koms are involved, 100,000 extra North Koreans just came in. This is a new world war. We're in a new world war

1:15:53 And it's hard to cover any other issue when this is happening. And I don't just do issues for viewers, but there's a paradox. I cover nothing but important stuff, but sometimes I'll cover stuff that isn't as important, but it's because you know what you want, just so I at the end can say something important about stopping nuclear war. You understand? So I don't know how we get people that don't understand how much danger we're in and how the globalists believe they can get rid of the population and emerge with all this AI after this cataclysm, this cleansing. That's really their plan. It's not just in Dr. Strangelove. There was a Pentagon plan with Curtis LeMay and Ella Lembdenster that was declassified later. Kubrick was warned about it, made a movie about it. They investigated him, how he knew. That was basically a documentary.

1:16:42 So those crazies were the ones that trained the neocons today. And Israel's got a Samson-Obson too. So they don't just want mutually assured destruction to stop war, they want destruction. Deng Xiaoping said 30 years ago, we're the only country in the world that wants a nuclear war. Our problem is too big a population. So China has said in official doctrine, we want a nuclear war because we want to get rid of our population. This is very complex and people that don't study it, I talk to them and they're like, vegetables? I'm not on a power trip, I know all this. You don't? I am upset that people don't understand this, Nick. So in closing on that point, I have some other stuff.

1:17:27 on the First Amendment, people go, why is that important? Well, if we don't have that, we can't stop these wars. At least when Bondi floated ADL banning on the First Amendment last week, they reversed in five hours because at least we can move the needle with Trump, which is something I see as positive. So we'll hit that in a moment. But I'm ranting, just put a bookend on it. Well, the sad thing is I don't think there's too much that anybody can do. I think that these are forces beyond our control, powerful forces. The administration knows there's no appetite for this. They know what they promised. They know they said no new wars and we'll end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours. They know it's unpopular.

1:18:05 At this point, it is just these reciprocal escalations, reciprocal actions. We're sort of trapped. You know, when they talk about the inevitable conflict between China and America, they compare it to the Thucydides trap. That's the model they use. It's called the trap because it's sort of unavoidable. It's this like we're between a rock and a hard place here, and it's impossible to navigate. So I think we just have to on some level us ordinary people, regular people have to pray for a peaceful solution because I think it's a lot more likely it's going to end in war than that it's going to end peacefully. So I'm disappointed, but it goes to show

1:18:43 When it comes to the GOP, the Trump administration, you know earlier you characterized me as blackmailed. I wouldn't say I'm blackmailed as much as I am so cynical of any offering from the major parties. I'm cynical and I am extremely skeptical of the offerings from the Democrats, equally the Republicans. They say things, they promise things, they never do them, never ever. And they said that they would end this war. That didn't pass the smell test. It's not coming to fruition. And that's why I say, on some level, the only vote that we can exercise is a rejection. You think that we have choice, Republican or Democrat, right or left.

1:19:26 We get the same thing no matter what. We vote for the war party, the deep state no matter what. I think the only vote is a non-participation, a rejection. That's kind of been what I've been on for the longest time. In retrospect, we almost did everything right. Trump ran in 16 as the anti-war candidate, non-intervention. You had him on your show. I volunteered for his campaign. We believed in it. And on the other side of a decade since that has happened, we've only gotten more entrenched. More regime change, more war. The Middle East is blown up. We're going back in. We're at war with Russia. It just goes to show, even what is presented as a radical outsider and someone who's truly against the status quo gets rapidly assimilated and accepts the status quo and carries it on even further. That's why I say it's almost a repudiation of the system. I'm always calling for a kind of a more radical break from

1:20:19 from the past because everything short of that radical break seems to always just tend towards the same direction, which is nuclear war. So it's terrifying and people need to realize this is reality. I like what you said that it's the most important thing in the world and maybe people are less interested. I don't think people realize the normalcy bias is so real too. People have never seen nuclear war in their lifetimes. People have only seen the good times. Even the wars that we're in, they're not total wars. They're not full wartime mobilization. They think it's always going to be that way on some level. They expect it will always be like that. There's no reason to believe that's the case when you really look at the facts. So this is a real threat. We are really in danger here. We are in peril. And we always have wars during a big turning, and this is a mega turning. So

1:21:11 You're smart, you're entertaining, you're funny. The people really listen to you because you're prescient. You've made a lot of predictions that have come true. Basically all of them. I have too. And I don't say it on a power trip, but the reason the bad guys want us off the air, they've said this, is because we can change narratives. I want to get the public to understand this. They can realize their power and agency to change this together because I legitimately And all the war games show it, it's not just me, it's the top war gaming private companies and government admit this. But this is a psychology of people like Lindsey Graham and others. They're the worst example of it, the mini me of John McCain. They all get together with their own normalcy bias and they're on a power trip with all these weapons and stuff. And they've talked about, they've got bunkers and they'll reemerge and all the rest of it. It's the same as globalists want to crash the economy for control of the population. Now they realize, oh, we'll never get away with it.

1:22:01 Let's not do it now. It's a bunch of wimps because the real soldiers I know they're really smart people. They're all trying to stop this high level low level mid-level, but it literally is the People like Lindsey Graham that are demonically possessed that get off on flirting with this and they need to be restrained We rush it didn't start this rush is not perfect And so I just I just don't know how to explain to people that think well, I don't want a nuclear war So there isn't anyone. Well, you're not you're not Lindsey Graham. God knows what's on his hard drive I mean, these are really sick people and when you're that sick the final degeneracy is is total war and

1:22:43 That's right. That's absolutely right. And you know, what we want out of this is just a negotiated settlement. There is a, like you said, it's a, it is a great turning, a mega turning. The world is going through a convulsion and rightfully so. When Putin talks about the war, he talks about root causes. That's always the phrase that crops up. That's the rhetoric they're using. And what does he mean when he says root causes of the conflict? It means there's a real disagreement here between Russia and the United States that's being fought out and battled over. And it means NATO has publicly been starting it. Root causes, you started it, bitch. And what is this thing about attacking Russia, Napoleon, Hitler, all of them? Why do they do it?

1:23:25 It might be there's something perennial there, you know, and I tend not to go in that direction, the eschatology stuff, but when you think about the End Times prophecy and you think about these major world powers that are going to come together for a war, who knows? Maybe there is something animating that because, you know, it's been variously described in different prophecies that that Napoleon and Hitler are two antichrists. That's sort of interesting. They both made that move and they say there might be a third antichrist who will invade Russia again. Of course, Russia's doing this in many ways. Their geopolitical thinking, their geostrategic thinking, it proceeds from those invasions. Why can NATO not control Ukraine? Because that is the superhighway on which Western Europe has invaded Russia twice. And we have 25% of Russians killed in World War II.

1:24:14 I mean, imagine that race memory. Right. Well, and that's imminent for them. That was in the last century that 10 million people perished in that war. We can't even fathom something like that. The last time we had a loss of that magnitude was the Civil War. And in terms of absolute numbers, it didn't even approach what happened in Russia in World War II. So this is what informs their thinking. By the way, the Nazis wrote letters and intelligence reports reclassified. They'd fought a bunch of people. Once they started fighting the Russians and the Germans were tough, they were like, these people are scary. So They're brutal. They're absolutely brutal and they're fighters and the Russian spirit is one of sacrifice.

1:24:54 We don't even understand the animal we're dealing with here. When you look at Dostoevsky, when you look at the Russian writers, the spirit of the Russian nation, it's literally suffering. That's what communism was. It is self-sacrificial suffering. And so the idea that the United States, with all of the decadence that we have, that we're going to come in and fight for their borderland, their hinterland, against these brutal people? When they fought the Muslims and the Huns for a thousand years. If they fought him 20 years ago, the Chechens, and the brutality is just unbelievable over there. They're brutal people. And on some level, it's, there's got to be a requiem for what Trump promised 10 years ago. Don't you miss the days when Trump said, what if Russia could be our friend?

1:25:39 that we were talking about a comprehensive cooperation with Russia on various matters. There's another timeline where maybe that was fleshed out, but it just never happened. Now we're staring down the barrel of the gun and why? Just let them have Ukraine. And I'm not pro-Russia, I'm pro-America, but it's clear Russia is re-emerging. After the fall of the Soviet Union.

1:26:21 We have Jim Jordan yesterday, due to our oversight efforts, Google commits to offer all creators previously kicked off YouTube, the political speech violations to return to their platform. But that's not all. We have the Alphabet Letter, that's the parent company, Eric Schmidt, saying, yeah, we're gonna stop. So I'm a little busy, but I told you during the break, you should go try to relaunch your channel. And I'm doing it today. I'm gonna get there with my driver's license, all of it. And I'm gonna try to relaunch the Alan Stone channel today. And the crew's like, well, let's worry about the algorithm. We're not going to get on there. I predict they're going to block it, which is fine. Then I'll get it to Jim Jordan, who I can call on the phone, leave it right there. This is just Department of Investigation. And we're going to force their hand on this. But this does show some of the good stuff coming out of Trump, other than trying to start a nuclear war. What do you make of that?

1:27:12 Well, I'm skeptical of it like you are because then they came out actually, I don't know if it was today or yesterday, and YouTube said it's a pilot program. I don't know if you, this is brand new. I think it just came out this- No, I saw that. We're gonna let them all back, but it's a pilot program. Yes, so I'm deeply skeptical and you know that could mean one of two things. It might mean that they will do more later. That's what a pilot program is. They'll see how it goes. Maybe they'll bring on more people or it could mean that it's like a token concession and it's not actually what they're saying. Big, big creators, big talk show host. I'll stop there. They call them up and say, oh, we hear Evan Alex on.

1:27:49 The producers all talked to him, they're all tattletales. Better not do that, we're gonna demonetize you. So that's what goes on. But it's not like, oh, I went back on YouTube. But clearly, will you, will you, because I'm not trying to hog the space here. It's a smart, not a stunt, it's a show. Let's commit, you and I both today, let's go try to log on. Let's try to relaunch the Nick J. Fuentes Show, America first. Let's try to relaunch Alex Jones Live. Let's do it when we get off here in 10 minutes. Let's do it. Absolutely. I'm game. Yeah. Let's stress test it. Yeah, because it's horse crap. I totally agree with you. I don't know. Here's what I will say about YouTube. I am skeptical because you and I, we've been through a lot of the same nonsense that they always do like this. But at least from my perspective, there were times when I years ago, I would go on somebody's channel and they would get banned. That has not happened as far as I'm aware, at least in six or seven months. The last year, almost a year, I'm able to go on shows. They don't get banned or demonetized. Yeah. And suddenly my clips are everywhere too.

1:28:50 Yeah, same here. So there definitely is a liberalization. They're definitely opening it up. The question is just how far are they going to take it? I'm skeptical that you and me are going to be allowed right back on. Well, don't you think, because the Holy Spirit, at the end of the day, gut level is your own knowledge, your instincts, your life experience, but also the Holy Spirit. I just think Elon Musk is good. He got mad at Trump and left, and he put it all on the line. He's been majorly attacked. I mean, on X we've done nothing but support. I mean, I think, I don't think I know Elon doing what he did open up all of this. I agree with you. It's, he probably did more good on that than maybe almost anybody else up to and including Trump on some level. Yeah. Trump's treatment. I know the inside baseball, a bunch of jealous people ran Elon out and told him it was a bad move.

1:29:42 I believe that. Elon is not a politician. He's a businessman, he's a technologist, and you know how politics are. It's all these jealous, petty people trying to cut each other and kill each other to get a position. And he's OCD obsessed with results. He said it, he said, the best base for my operations is America. I want to save it. He's not trying to steal your Social Security check like they said. It's the opposite. He's trying to stabilize it so he has a place to have wealth. It's purely selfish in a good way. It's like good greed. Well yeah, and in so far as he's in favor of free speech, I think that is the best thing that can be done because that's what's going to save the country is people like us being able to express ourselves and prevent the kind of really dark stuff that we saw a few years ago when censorship was out of control. So I agree. I mean it cannot be overstated how big of a deal it is that he opened up the floodgates for all this when he bought Twitter. I never thought I'd see the day.

1:30:33 when, when Gavin McInnes who was on your show the other day, you, me, we'd all be right back. And he even said about you, I will, Alex can't come back. And then he brought you back and then he brought me back. And then, you know, Gavin came back the other day. It's almost miraculous because up until that point, it was not just a censorship. It was Kafka ask. It was like, you know, you know, you try to talk to him and then he came on the show for like, we did a couple of interviews, but I said, you understand I wasn't banned for Sandy hook. And he's like, really? And I said, he went to the logs. He goes, oh my God, you never even talked about it. You were banned for saying when Antifa comes to your house, defend yourself. And he went, whoa, I was lied to. And I said, yeah, PR firm. I told the PR firm, he goes, oh, it was a PR firm attacking him. And then it was like light bulb. Well, that's a testament then to his integrity, then. If he was under one impression, found out the information, and made the correction, then he'd be better. Oh, you read the headlines. I'm being mean to dead kids. I pee on graves. None of it's true.

1:31:32 So let me show you these clips at closing. Kamala says Trump's a communist dictator. How pathetic. And then we got Hillary saying white men are the problem. This is their total divide and conquer. This is all they've got left. Where does the Democratic Party go now with record low fundraising, record low ratings? What do they do? Here it is. A tyrant. We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That's what we're dealing with right now in Donald Trump. And these titans of industry are not speaking up.

1:32:10 And I'm proud of the fact that we have always been a work in progress. You know, we haven't gotten to the more perfect union and we fought a civil war over part of it. And people have been protesting, you know, for hundreds of years that, you know, things were not as they should be given our ideals and how we should be moving toward them. So I think that's what makes us so special as a country. And the idea that you could turn the clock back and try to recreate a world that never was dominated by, you know, let's say it, white men of a certain persuasion, a certain religion, a certain point of view, a certain ideology, is just doing such damage to

1:32:56 what we should be aiming for. And we were on the path toward that. I mean, imperfectly, lots of, you know, bumps along the way, but I agree with you. We were on the right trajectory. So literal demonization of whites, Christians and Catholics. These are Satanists. Nick, how do you respond to that scumbaggery? That is so shocking to me. It's just so out of touch. I thought we were beyond that rhetoric. I thought even the Democrats were beyond that on some level, even just strategically. But that's why you're good. No one can look at you with rhetoric half as strong as theirs. We need to stop being cucked. That's why what you're doing is good. This is an anti-white, anti-Christian piece of filth trying to organize non-whites to hate us. It's bullshit.

1:33:43 That's exactly how else could you interpret it? She says all of history is run by white Christian men. That's your time is over. You're finished. Who's going to run our country then? Immigrants? Who's going to run our country? Foreigners? And how's that going to happen? I'm proud of everybody. Everybody has skills. God made us all. But why do people want to be in Western cultures? Why the architecture? Why the science? I mean, what is it about white people? And why does the ADL and those groups want to remove that genius so they can rule a bunch of idiots? This is part of their just, they just hate us. I mean on some level they just hate us. When people say things like that, well it's time for white men to step aside. I mean there is nothing behind that other than pure racism. That's racial hatred for white men. Pure envy. So what is it they hate?

1:34:37 I, you know, with her, she's a woman. So who knows what's behind that? She's a white woman herself. It's very curious. An ugly, disgusting daughter of a mob boss. Yeah, exactly. And she looks terrible in that clip. With her, I don't know what it is. She's a complicated person. But with a lot of these people, it is a malicious hatred because we are creators. We generate, we create. When you look at Western civilization, when you look at Europe, it's synonymous with wealth, progress, industry, productivity, technology. Stuff that they don't have, stuff that arguably maybe they never could have. Things that they don't have in their countries and they come here. They're scared of innovation. I would say they're more just jealous of the wealth. I don't think they, they're not innovators themselves. I don't think they think in those terms. I think it's literally purely, they look at the squalor they live in. I admire innovators whoever they are. Why are they threatened by beauty?

1:35:37 Because they can't control it. They don't have it. They can't control it. They don't have it in their countries. And so it's sort of like if we can't have it, then no one can. You know, they want to be the masters of it. If they can't have it, then they want to bring it all down. I think on some level that's where this. Yes, it's that anti-colonial stuff. It all comes from there. But it's like you said, why are they still on this point destroying them? Because it's who they are. They can't stop. Well, that's a perfect way to bring it home because it's true. I mean, this is hurting them. You'd think after 2024, they'd say, we got to back off this anti-white stuff because look at what it is catalyzing on the other side. And they're losing white people. For her to come across and say, well, let's just say it's white men, they literally cannot contain themselves. Like they can't suppress their hatred. So that's why it's surprising. Well, she's had a certain persuasion. She's talking about Christians.

1:36:28 Yeah, of a certain religion, she says. Persuasion, maybe she meant heterosexual, you know, because we're supposed to have a big gay brown, you know, Hindu, Stanny, whatever kind of place. So, it's just pure malice and seething resentment. You'd think they'd have figured it out. Last year they had Tim Walz with the camo hat, if you remember that whole operation. And they recognized, we know we got to appeal to the white men. I guess they forgot that and now they want to go back to race competition. Shotgun shells in the butt of the gun. Nick Fuentes, Nick J. Fuentes on Rumble, everywhere else. I'd love to come on your show brother. We have a lot of guests, but we really appreciate you powerful. This is the best interview yet. Thank you so much for the time and stay alive buddy because they're coming for you coming for me. You too, man. You too, man. Thanks for having me. Thank you.

1:37:15 Welcome to the war room in full words dot com band dot video. I'm your host Harrison Smith joined today by Nicholas J. Fuentes. He of course has already been on with Alex for two full hours. We really appreciate him giving us so much of his time and he'll be on with us for this first hour. And we got a lot of breaking news and big videos to get to. But I'm very happy to welcome my guest, Nick Fuentes. You can follow him on X at NickJFuentes, nicolasjfuentes.com. And of course, he streams on Rumble. You can search America First or Nicholas J. Fuentes. Nick, welcome to the show, sir. Hey, what's going on, Harrison? Great to be with you. Very, very good to have you on, man. How you been? I cannot believe it's been two weeks since Charlie Kirk's brutal murder. It feels like it happened yesterday. How's the last two weeks been for you?

1:38:03 It's been difficult, I have to say. I don't know how you guys are handling it over there, but I'm sure you must be upgrading your security. My first reaction is I'm worried about copycats, you know, copycats or maybe if there's an attack or conspiracy or something. So it's been a little nerve wracking, but I've been hanging in there. I just can't imagine what they're going through, you know, his family, his people over there. But it's a scary time for all of us. How you been holding up? Yeah, it's sort of the same. It's kind of like I'm not sure how much more safe we could be, but it just, I mean, the violence is sort of spiraling out of control. I thought your coverage of everything the day after, I think it was that Friday you did a show, was really spectacular. And I could tell it had affected you personally quite a bit. You know, obviously

1:38:51 You know, you were not the biggest fan of Charlie Kirk and I've sort of felt the same way while he was alive. But since then, I've gotten this whole new appreciation for who he was and what he accomplished. Has your opinion of Charlie changed in the last two weeks as you've seen maybe more stuff that you hadn't seen before? No not really not tremendously. I mean not my opinion. I'll say it this way. My opinion of his of his profession has not changed at all. And I'm surprised that for so many it seems to be I think you know and that's natural. He just was brutally executed and. People feel sorry for him. They feel sorry for his family. I get it. But I don't really think that his political legacy is that much different now than it was then. The one thing that has changed to me, this is what my opinion has changed about, and I've been saying this a lot and I really feel this way, I was shocked

1:39:42 shocked at the outpouring of support from millions of people. I was surprised at how many people were really touched by his life and his work and in particular people were touched by his faith. And that is the part that I never really recognized. And it is important to recognize that, that we are all Christians. You know, where we are Christians, I know you're a Christian, I'm a Christian, we're all different kinds of Christians, but we all do profess the same God. And although politically my view hasn't changed at all, I did not agree with nearly anything that he was about in that sense, I guess I never recognized

1:40:21 his Christian testimony, where I should have, I think. And now the evidence is overwhelming for that. So I think he was pretty remarkable in that way. But how about you? Did your view of him change since he was killed? It has honestly, I just I don't think I appreciated what a force he was how impactful he was and how big the organization was and You know kind of like you almost feel bad. I remember my grandmother Calling me probably five years ago and going there's this young man named Charlie Kirk and he's amazing. Well, you know he's actually not really on then she was kind of I disappointed that I wasn't a big fan of Charlie Kirk and she'd been so impressed by him. And I'm kind of like, ah man, maybe grandma was right. Maybe he did have something going on. I think maybe he could have been president. I just, I didn't realize how influential he really was. And you know, I guess it's a little bit of a regret on my part for not appreciating, you know, who he was while he was alive. And I guess that's the martyr complex, right?

1:41:17 But I want to get into like who you think did it, your reaction to the reaction to you not blaming Israel, if that makes sense. Because people have gotten so mad at you and are just ready to throw you under the bus because you don't go with the first conspiracy theory offered. How do you feel about the way people are reacting to you? Because I got to say, it's a little bit ironic because I think I texted this to you, because the Groypers say about us a lot of things I'm hearing about you now. So I feel like maybe you understand some of the frustration that, you know, we at InfoWars when like we're being called Israel shills, we're like, guys, what the hell's going? We're just going for the truth. You know, how do you feel about people like saying all this stuff about you?

1:41:57 Well, the timeline was really interesting because, you know, so he was killed two weeks ago on a Wednesday. I did a show about it that following Thursday and my message on the show was very Christian. It was just like, let's not take up arms and pursue revenge. I said, let's try to Let's try to be forgiving. Let's try to be intentional about what we do next. Let's try to focus on God and align our intention with God and so on. I didn't even really talk too much about the forensic details of the assassination. I just talked about how we should all respond moving forward. I didn't do a show that Friday. The weekend went by.

1:42:34 And by Sunday, people started to say, why is Nick Fuentes not talking about the Israel conspiracy? Why has he not said anything? Why is he avoiding it? Why is he covering it up? And I'm standing over here like, hold the phone, covering it up, avoiding it. First of all, it's been four days. Second of all, my experience with Charlie Kirk my entire life, he canceled me for being an anti-Semite. That's how I knew him from 2019 until two weeks ago. For a full six years, as I was banned from his organization, banned from his events, he called me a Jew hater last month, a demonic Jew hater. So when people started to say there's this Israel connection, my first reaction is that's ridiculous. He was their biggest advocate. He was their biggest ally.

1:43:23 And I understand all these arguments about he was evolving. Your coverage was unbelievable, unbelievably prescient. The rumor you heard he was in fear for his life or you heard it secondhand or whatever. Obviously that has been so prescient and everything that's been discussed. But that was kind of my first reaction. The following day, that Monday, I came on, I did the show and I addressed it and I laid it all out. I discussed the Max Blumenthal piece, your coverage of it, every possible piece of evidence that might fit with an Israeli conspiracy. Then at the end, I said, I just don't think there's all that much there. I think these things coincided. In other words, it can be true

1:44:04 that he was having second thoughts and maybe was defying the Israel lobby on some level, but also he was killed by some radical left-wing lunatic. Like these things can both be true at the same time. I said, I'm unconvinced that they're related because I don't see the connection between them outside of a circumstantial connection. And people said, well, what are you defending Israel now? Now you're covering up, now you're pivoting. And I said, wait a second, my views on all of this have not changed even slightly. I mean, I'm the same guy I was on September 9th as I was on September 10th. I didn't like Charlie Kirk then, I don't like him now. I thought he was an Israel shill then, I think he's an Israel shill now. I just don't buy it.

1:44:47 and for that I just get this avalanche. Some of it's synthetic, some of it inorganic, some of it real. People doubting my credentials now and honestly it's just made me furious and I can kind of sympathize with what a lot of people say about you guys at InfoWars and in fairness, I pushed back on that. I said, look, I think they just disagree. I don't think they're in the pocket of Israel, but just maybe they don't agree with us that much. I'm in the same position. It's like, I just don't agree. I'm not in the pocket. I just don't agree. So yeah, it's made me very sympathetic to you guys in that way. The whole thing has been weird because I had the same reaction. I saw all these people going, Nick is shilling for Israel. And so I went and I watched your show and I'm having this weird experience of like cognitive distance where I'm like,

1:45:31 am I watching the right episode? Because he's not chilling for Israel. And so it was just this disconnect between what people were saying and what you were saying. And it was just baffling. And, you know, I think you, I think you're, I think we're all experiencing, you know, some people say low IQ antisemitism, but there's this low IQ conspiracy theorizing. Now I made, I never go on TikTok. I went on TikTok yesterday because I saw somebody post something that was just crazy about Erica Kirk is a reptilian. I just thought I'm just gonna go down this rabbit hole for a minute see what people are saying and I felt like it seemed literally demonic to me because the people were just saying the craziest stuff that had no connection to reality whatsoever and there's thousands of them they all have a hundred thousand likes on every video and I'm like you got to have some ounce of intelligence you got to have something real to stake your flag on and then you can you know speculate but

1:46:22 What do we do about the low IQ conspiracy theorizing because they're all over the place and it's it's complete nonsense A lot of it is complete and utter nonsense whether it's about Israel or anything else What the bottom has fallen out it seems and things are just insane on on the you know the far Conspiracy side what do we do about this? I think we gotta press them. I don't think that they should be silenced. I don't think that they should be covered up. I think that they should be... We should look at their arguments and disassemble them, which is what I've done on my show, you know? I'm not going out there and saying... It's impossible Israel was involved. I'm not saying that you don't have a right to believe that or, you know, even that maybe Charlie Kirk was chafing with the Israel lobby. It's just show me the evidence. And where I focused in on this is on the evidence provided. And what's really interesting about that whole argument, I covered this on my show last night,

1:47:18 It all stems from the piece by Max Blumenthal at the Gray Zone. And what I've pointed out is this is not a trustworthy guy to begin with. I don't care for this guy. I don't trust him. I know Alex had him on the show the other day, so I'm not gonna talk too much trash, but suffice to say, I'm not his fan. And all of the speculation seems to proceed from this article, which is based on hearsay, where he reports that anonymous sources and close friends were making claims about a state of mind prior to the killing. And it centers around these two claims, one of which is that Netanyahu offered Charlie Kirk a bribe, and the second of which is this meeting with Bill Ackman. And those were kind of the two central claims. And over the past few weeks, you've seen that both of those things have completely blown up. Yesterday, Candace Owens and Max Blumenthal both said, well, we never claimed that Netanyahu offered $150 million bribe. We never said that.

1:48:13 Last week, Bill Ackman came out and spilled all the evidence about the meeting. And it turns out that Charlie Kirk arranged and organized that meeting. That was the basis of him feeling blackmailed and all these other things. And Blumenthal and Owens did not dispute any aspect of Bill Ackman's account of that story. So what do we do about the low IQ situation? For me, I just say, bring it on, bring it on. That's the answer. When people are saying nonsense like that, What we used to do or what I should say the mainstream media did, what society did is those people, including myself, would be censored. Banned, censored, blacklisted, you're crazy, you're psycho, name-calling. For me, I would almost say I would like to debate one of those people. I'd love to talk to Ian Carroll, Candace Owens, Blumenthal, whoever.

1:49:02 I would love to debate one of those people and put it to bed. You bring your facts, I'll bring my facts. Let's just talk about what's true and what's in reality. I don't like conspiracy theories on the left when They say a griper killed Charlie Kirk. I don't like the psycho conspiracy stuff on the right when they say energy weapons are being shot from a trap door and there's 7,000 decoys. I don't believe that either. So we have to just get to the bottom of it with honesty and without being afraid for where that's going to lead. Yeah, it feels very weird. I watch these videos on TikTok and I'm like, is this how people think we are? Because we're completely in a different class. We just want to go for the truth.

1:49:45 But then of course there's the issue of okay if there was some international you know involvement from Israel I wouldn't trust our FBI to come out with that and again I'm in this weird position because Israel was never my I didn't even think it was Israel it didn't even enter my mind We've seen so much violence on the left. We've seen the transgender shooters That was where my mind went first until somebody posted my old tweet like hey a month ago You said Charlie and I was like oh right that did happen and so I mean I'm in this weird position where like my tweet sort of started the whole thing but I've never been the biggest Israel did it guy but I do think it's worth looking at and I think it points to the bigger problem we have that if it was Israel we would never know because our government is so controlled by them. How does that play into your interpretation of what's going on?

1:50:30 Well, it goes without saying that you cannot trust the FBI. You cannot trust the DOJ. And why not? They just got done with another coverup. How about Jeffrey Epstein, you know, who killed himself allegedly in his cell or was murdered because he was silenced by the people in his black book, his client list. That was literally covered up in July. We're in the middle of an active coverup of the Epstein scandal. Pam Bondi came out and said, there are no other third parties we're investigating. There is no black book. There's no list. There's no sex trafficking ring. There is no other evidence even for us to give you. We were in the middle of that cover up. And remember, that comes from DOJ and FBI working together, burying that.

1:51:16 Now we're supposed to believe, like you said, whatever happened that day that they're going to be forthcoming about it. So the way that it factors in for me is we have to be skeptical about everything that we're hearing. We have to be skeptical about the FBI. We have to be skeptical about, in my opinion, people like Max Blumenthal. Blumenthal has ties to Russia. He has ties to Russian intelligence. He's a part of that whole Sputnik, Russia Today situation. He changed his mind on Syria after he had a meeting. So I think that's him, or maybe I'm confusing him with somebody else, but people like Blumenthal as well as the FBI, you have to scrutinize all the sources. And by the same token,

1:51:58 Maybe the FBI is not covering this up. I mean, to the extent that they are a law enforcement agency, I mean, maybe they're reporting on some things that are true. We have to parse and discern all the information that we're getting, and we have to use our common sense. Like, for example, Andrew Colvett, who's the PR guy for Turning Point USA, He comes out last week and says, well, this 30-06 bullet was stopped by Charlie Kirk's Superman bones, his man of steel adamantium skeleton. It's like, yeah, I don't trust that. You know what I mean? And it doesn't mean I don't trust anything that this guy says. I mean, maybe some of it's true, but that doesn't make any sense at all. And that's the kind of stuff you need to scrutinize and say, wait a minute, that doesn't add up. We're going to need corroborating evidence.

1:52:45 If that's the case, show us the bullet, show us the autopsy, show us something that proves what you're saying. Because the way that sounds, when they start to use magical language like that and say, it's just, it's miraculous, that's where you lose me. And I'm glad that Kash Patel came out last week and said, look, there's all these questions. These are the questions, we're gonna answer them. I like to hear that. That's a step in the right direction for transparency. But even when they deliver the verdict, we're going to need to scrutinize that as well and make sure that everything checks out. So the problem is you just can't trust anybody. You can't trust the FBI. You can't trust the internet. We're really kind of in the wilderness when it comes to that. Everybody kind of has to make up their own mind.

1:53:30 Yeah, it's not a good place to be in, but again I put the blame squarely on these institutions that have lied to us so many times and participated in so many cover-ups. Of course we're not going to trust them. Just like of course people are going to blame Israel when the week before they're bombing the Hamas negotiators and bragging about it. I mean, if you don't want people blaming you for assassinations, you should probably stop killing so many people. I mean, it's not that, it's really not that complicated, but it is difficult to figure out where the hell we're supposed to go from here. And I've got people, you know, online now, multiple people saying I'm now a propaganda shill for the deep state because I use the term leftist violence. And it's like, what else am I supposed to call it?

1:52:45 If that's the case, show us the bullet, show us the autopsy, show us something that proves what you're saying. Because the way that sounds, when they start to use magical language like that and say, it's just, it's miraculous, that's where you lose me. And I'm glad that Kash Patel came out last week and said, look, there's all these questions. These are the questions, we're gonna answer them. I like to hear that. That's a step in the right direction for transparency. But even when they deliver the verdict, we're going to need to scrutinize that as well and make sure that everything checks out. So the problem is you just can't trust anybody. You can't trust the FBI. You can't trust the internet. We're really kind of in the wilderness when it comes to that. Everybody kind of has to make up their own mind.

1:53:30 Yeah, it's not a good place to be in, but again I put the blame squarely on these institutions that have lied to us so many times and participated in so many cover-ups. Of course we're not going to trust them. Just like of course people are going to blame Israel when the week before they're bombing the Hamas negotiators and bragging about it. I mean, if you don't want people blaming you for assassinations, you should probably stop killing so many people. I mean, it's not that, it's really not that complicated, but it is difficult to figure out where the hell we're supposed to go from here. And I've got people, you know, online now, multiple people saying I'm now a propaganda shill for the deep state because I use the term leftist violence. And it's like, what else am I supposed to call it?

1:54:06 I don't even understand what we're doing anymore. If we can't say leftist violence when you've got leftist people committing violence against ICE facilities, what are we supposed to call it at this point? So yeah, it really feels like we're in this very strange situation where I don't know who to trust and everything is both true and untrue at the same time. And pursuing the truth is really just increasingly difficult in any direction. So I guess, You know, in the term or in the topic of like leftist violence and the ice shooting that we saw earlier today, what do you think the solution to this is? I keep getting called the deep state shill because I'm like, hey, the federal government needs to intervene. But that's only because I don't want us to have to do it. I want to avoid the civil war that they're clearly planning. What is the solution to this?

1:54:53 I do believe it's a law enforcement solution and you know people use the slippery slope argument they say so you're saying Palantir should take over the world or something it's like I think there are there are actions in between what we have going on now which is just like a kill zone I mean let's be honest you have They shot at Trump. Another guy came and tried to kill him at Mar-a-Lago. Luigi Mangione shot the guy in the back of the head. You had three school shootings, which credibly could be say are connected to some kind of internet cell in Wisconsin, Tennessee, Minnesota, even in Colorado. The day Charlie Kirk was killed, I guess that was number four. The terrorist attacks against ICE, like

1:55:34 We have a problem here that's not being detected, it's not being intercepted, and there's gotta be a solution between let these people just kill everybody and Palantir takes away all our rights. And I think where you start is this stuff is on the internet. When you see the school shootings, the terrorist attacks, how about Tyler Robinson, for instance? He was on Discord apparently confessing, planning, other people knew in advance. Don't you think the FBI should look at that? Don't you think the FBI should look at that server, group chat, whatever form it took? Shouldn't the FBI be looking at that and seeing if there's accomplices, third parties, and shouldn't they then be looking at those left-wing networks? If there is organized left-wing violence, if it's being planned on forums or encouraged, it might even be encouraged by foreign intelligence. You know, when I look at some of these

1:56:30 like satanic groups on forums. For example, that shooter in Minnesota, that transgender shooter, he was writing his entire diary in Cyrillic. He was writing it in the Russian alphabet and that's something that you see crop up with that cell. It's like international. There's like an international element. Whatever it is, whether it's homegrown left wing or there's some kind of international backing, I think you got to bring the government in and take a look at some of that stuff. So wherever that's being funded, sponsored, planned, you know, encouraged. There needs to be some kind of law enforcement response because the alternative like you said it's civil war. That's what they're egging on here Yeah, and it seems like in a lot of ways we on the right I mean for a long time I've moved sort of away from from pure libertarianism as people you know perceive it I still consider myself a libertarian just because Liberty anyway, we need to get into it But it feels like a trick now now I look back and I go man this whole idea of like we can't use the government But they can that's such an obvious

1:57:32 Trap that we're stuck in and it seems like that's almost Evolved now to where a lot of people on the right are just terrified of using the government for anything Which is especially absurd when they're like well They're just opening up the you know the door for the government to do that to us And it's like they've been doing it to us for four years. What are you talking about? I mean they've been throwing people in jail They throw friends of mine in jail for 20 years when they weren't even at the Capitol they got a text message so But I still have that same instinct where I'm like, I don't want the government going out there arresting people because they claim they're anti. How do we prevent it from going too far? And what is your response to people who still have that sort of hesitation of using government to do anything ever?

1:58:14 Well, I guess the political dilemma is that the right wing is who is in charge, but the right wing is controlled by Israel. The Republican Party is controlled by Israel, the DOJ, the FBI are totally infiltrated by Israel. And so the reason that people have this trepidation about we want to use government is because, well, who is government? The government is infiltrated. So if we are using government, it's not really us, it's them. And if they have that power, I mean, they'll use it against the left. They'll use it against us. They'll use it against the Israel critical element on the right. At the same time, the left is real and the left is violent and the left doesn't discriminate. They saw Charlie Kirk as a Nazi. They think Ben Shapiro's a Nazi. They think Nazis are bad. They think anyone that criticizes Israel for the wrong reasons is bad. Hassan Piker, he hates Israel. He also hates me because he thinks I'm a quote unquote real Nazi. So it's like,

1:59:09 to get protected from the violent left, you need to gang up with the Israel-controlled right. If you don't, then you're going to be victimized by the Nazi-hating, white people-hating left. And so that's the dilemma. There's no good options here. And on some level, we also don't really have any control either. So the question is, what is to be done from our side I mean, I don't know how much of what we do is going to change it one way or the other. People say that we shouldn't be cheering for it because then it might be used against us. I would say the more immediate threat, though, is that you got 30 percent of Generation Z liberals that think they could shoot right-wing people. As long as that's us,

1:59:48 I think those people gotta be arrested. So on this one, I think I come down on the side of more law enforcement for now. I think I do too. And again, it's just like, damned if you do, damned if you don't. I want to get into the Hasan Piker stuff on the other side too, because that's an interesting tangled web. Welcome back ladies and gentlemen Nick Fuentes is my guest and I just want to thank Nick for staying on with us for a full hour So you already did two hours with Alex Jones so big thanks for spending so much time with us You know I'm looking forward to having you on more because now I have a show that airs while you're awake So that's very very exciting and now I get to I get to join the night owl Time frame and actually I was thinking about I think like five years ago I first had you on American Journal

2:00:30 And I asked you about how it felt to experience your meteoric rise. And now it feels like you're going through another sort of series of explosive awareness throughout America. I got my dad sending me Nick Fuentes clips. He's like, I see nothing but Nick Fuentes on TikTok. He loves TikTok and you're all over it apparently. And you just did Patrick Bet-David. That is a huge one. Obviously he's getting tons of views. How do you feel about, people are saying you're going mainstream, not in a bad way, but like everybody's aware who you are now and a lot of times you're sort of setting the talking points for a huge swath of America. How do you feel about this in the last few months, the explosion of the growth of awareness about you?

2:01:10 It's been pretty exciting and it's been surprising. You know, you kind of know the whole story and I've known you guys at Infowars forever. And for most of my career, people wouldn't touch me with a 10-foot pole. I was completely radioactive and suppressed and blacklisted. And, you know, for a time you couldn't find me on the internet anywhere. I mean, my stuff was so banned and suppressed. I wasn't on Twitter. There was no Rumble at that time. I was banned on, on all the mainstream stuff. And so to see it kind of reaching this level of saturation gets almost hard to believe. It almost feels like I'm waiting for the next shoe to drop, you know, maybe I'm a little cynical in that way, but it's, it's been pretty great. I've been very pleased about it. I've been happy. Oh, I, I I've been loving seeing it. Honestly, it's, it's about damn time because what you, what you've always said is, is

2:02:00 It's always been the same the entire time. People think that you change your message or anything. Have you changed your message at all? I mean, as you sort of are getting more awareness, are you tempted to sort of change your tactics? Or are you just like, hey, this works, I'm gonna keep doing it? Any thought about that? The only thing I would change is just cleaning up the language. I have such a foul mouth on my show. I mean, the swear words, not even the racial slurs. I know Patrick, but David gave me a really hard time about my use of a certain racial slur, kind of the most famous one. And it's not even just that, but just... You know, now that I'm entering the mainstream, I said it the other week when Charlie Kirk died. I do feel a bit of a responsibility now to kind of bring, put my best foot forward, so to speak, and really bring people the most sophisticated, the most advanced show.

2:02:49 and not really do kind of the self-indulgent sloppy stuff. But I mean, look, the reason that people like the message is because it's raw. It's raw. It's honest. It's the truth. The reason people love the clips, the reason people love the show is because they're just not getting that message on the mainstream stuff. They're getting it maybe from independent media. I know you talk about a lot of the same stuff Alex does too. You know, many people on this side of the internet do. But in the mainstream, you're not getting an honest take on Israel. You're just not. You're not getting an honest take about Judaism for that matter. You're not getting an honest take about race, immigration, black and white crime. And so the reason people love the show, it's not just that it's super honest, but they also like that it's no pretense. It's not overly produced, it's not overly manicured, it's just raw, it's funny, it's shocking. And so I would push back on some of the criticism. A lot of people

2:03:46 lately have been giving me all this advice. Candace Owens told me I internet too hard, whatever that means. It's like internetting is what got me to this point. Internetting is why everyone under the age of 30 does not support Israel anymore. Internetting is what is causing this mass awakening. So, you know, that's what a lot of people do is they start to get mainstream success and they change the ingredients. You know, they change the secret formula. I'm not really looking to change the secret formula. I want to polish it up. I want to clean it up. I want to, you know, get it more professional. But other than that, I'm sticking with the original recipe. You know, I'm sticking with the original spices and herbs, so to speak. It works well. I mean, one of the hardest things about doing this show is that we're on the radio, so I can't curse. And it's like such a limiting. I mean, I would be cursing like a sailor just from the stuff we have to talk about really makes you want to curse quite a bit. When you talk about so

2:04:43 There seems to be this massive opportunity that we're missing, which is that so many people on both sides of the aisle are against Israel and want, if nothing else, America to have freedom of action outside of the concerns of our supposed ally in the Middle East. And yet, it's like, wow, can't we come together? Like, you guys don't like what's happening, we don't like what's happening. And then you look over there and they're all, you know, saying, hey, let's kill all white men. And you go, oh, right, no, we can't unify with these people. They hate everything that we represent. It's like, can't we all be America first? Oh, no, they think that means you're a Nazi. So it's like, Is there any hope for outreach to the left? I think you mentioned, I think it was on the Thursday or Friday show after the assassination, where you said you were like, you know, you had some outreach to people like Hassan Pike or people on the left who at least you align on Israel. Hey, maybe we could do something together here. And, you know, what was the response to that? Or, you know, what's been your strategic thinking in regards to the left being also anti-Israel?

2:05:40 The left has totally rejected and repudiated that. I've gone viral on TikTok for criticizing Israel, and all the comments will say, I'm left-wing, I can't believe I'm agreeing with Nick Fuentes, I can't believe a broken clock is right twice a day, and so on. And I thought over the summer, maybe naively, That could be the basis for sort of a transcendent movement that brings together maybe people from the right and the left. But after the Charlie Kirk shooting, and even right around that time, that whole advance has been totally rejected by people like Hassan Piker and others who have said, well, it's really a big trick. He says he's against Israel, but he's not really, or he is against Israel for the wrong reasons. And he's only trying to appeal to you cynically.

2:06:27 And so I think when it comes to the far left, when it comes to the communists, there can be no truce. There's no middle ground. And I think. I know this is a lesson I learned early on, forgot, and I'm now learning all over again. For the past couple of years, we've been really going in on the war in Gaza, and it's easy to forget the left, even the Muslims, they have different goals than we do. We might have certain things in common, like we're against what's happening over there, but maybe that's the beginning and end of it because the far left You know, even to the extent that you've got Muslims outside of America, inside of America that feel the same way, they got a very different vision for America. And so, you know, we got to be very clear. We got to take our own side and what our own side is. It's right wing. It's Christian. It's pro-white and it's critical of Israel. It has to be all those things. It can't, I can't not have any one of those things. So I got some clarity on that, I guess.

2:07:25 Yeah, I guess fundamentally we approach it from different perspectives. And I think you've talked a little bit about this, the communists who hate Israel. And it seems to me like they're right about Israel for the same reason they're wrong about just about everything else. They see the whole world between just like the white oppressors and the poor brown people. And so they apply that to Israel and they happen to land on the right side of that conflict. But I approach it from a Christian perspective and even a nationalistic perspective that these people deserve to have a say over their destiny in this piece of land. And I feel like it's the same reasoning I have for why I don't like the Muslim takeover of the UK. It's like, if you're on opposite sides when it comes to immigration to UK and what's happening to Palestine, it's like, all right, you've got a different set of priorities than I do. And it is, it's disappointing because it seems like there is such an overwhelming majority of people in America who are sick of the status quo, but we cannot move forward because of this divide.

2:08:19 I don't know what it's going to take to bring us together or if it's ever even possible. I'm worried about a false flag. I know you're worried about war with Iran. And as I play it out in my head, I'm like, whatever the false flag is that's coming that I think we all feel in our bones, it's going to have to be huge. It's not going to be a single assassination. I think it's going to have to be something so overwhelming and traumatic on a nationwide scale that like we all revert to just like trust the authorities I just need to hear what to do at this point. What do you think is coming next in terms of World War III, the Iran-Israel conflict, Russia-Ukraine? Do you think of false flags in the future? A real attack? What do you think's next?

2:08:57 I think it's very possible and I've said that from the beginning because of course that is what Israel's been driving at from the start is they wanted to capitate Iran and first they want to denuclearize Iran and to do both of those things they need the United States involved but the United States has no appetite to get involved. Well how are they going to remedy that? Well they'll come up with a reason for us to get involved which will be something like a 9-11, a new Pearl Harbor, a new 9-11. That's sort of just like the obvious a logical way to work it out. That's why I thought it was likely. And if you've been following it just this past week, the snapback sanctions were triggered against Iran at the end of August. They're going into effect next week at the end of September.

2:09:40 There was a preliminary deal between the IAEA and Iran to bring inspectors back into Iran to look at their damaged nuclear facilities and disclose the location of the enriched uranium. That deal was agreed upon by the Iranian government last week. Well, even though Iran agreed to bring the inspectors back, the sanctions are still going into effect as scheduled according to a meeting of the Security Council last week. So in other words, the Europeans reneged on the deal. The Europeans said if you let the inspectors come back, if you re-engage with the IAEA, then we will release the sanctions.

2:10:22 But they're not holding it up. Iran took the inspectors. They're keeping the sanctions on board anyway. So this week, Iran says, forget about it. No inspectors are coming in. That's not going to happen. And then today, Grossi, who's the head of the IAEA, came out and said, Iran is enriching to 90 percent weapons-grade uranium, highly enriched uranium. They're going to build a bomb. And so there was a piece in Foreign Policy magazine a couple months ago. It said the timeline is that there's going to be a second Iran war before the end of this year. It's going to happen in the fall. that's going to be surrounding the snapback sanctions debate. And the reason it's going to happen then also is because Israel does not want Iran to rearm. In the time between the war in June and the end of this year, Iran can, if they wanted to enrich to 90%, maybe build a primitive nuclear device. They could rearm their air defenses and other defenses. They're bringing in advanced systems from Russia, fighter jets and air defense, anti-aircraft guns.

2:11:25 And so Israel wants to prevent that. So I think that the timeline we're talking about is before the end of the year, we might be looking at Who knows, a dirty bomb, some kind of significant false flag. And if not that, it might just be a second phase of the war in June to continue to degrade Iran's infrastructure, their military equipment. But make no mistake about it. I mean, the driving force of Israel is to bring down Iran. They're gonna do it with us. And there's only one way to bring us in, and that's at some point, they're gonna try and trigger something with a catastrophe on our soil. I think that's where it's headed.

2:12:03 I think so too. I think it's the only way forward. So I'm almost like trying to preempt being like the Israeli false flags coming just almost like Alex was doing before 9-11 going, hey, we're call the White House and tell them if you try to blow up the World Trade Center with Osama bin Laden, we know it's really you just to almost, you know, hopefully get into their calculus. Ah, gee, we might not get away with this. Maybe we should try something else because obviously Israel wants to destroy Iran and you know you you're one of the best at articulating what actually the plan is on how they need to get rid of this regional power so they can be a regional superpower then they won't need America anymore. They need America, they need American boots on the ground to defeat Iran just as a matter of mathematics. They cannot do it themselves. They're desperate to bring that about.

2:12:47 I want to know what you think about this interpretation of Trump's willingness to go along with everything Israel is doing. Because it seems to me maybe the same thing that happened with him in Ukraine, where it's almost like these forces are going ahead already. Israel's going to bomb Iran. Israel's going to bomb the Hamas negotiators in Qatar. That makes Trump look weak if he wants them to stop and they do it anyway. So he just goes, oh, that was my idea, actually. I'm not weak. I wasn't fooled by our allies. That was my idea. I told him to do that. What a bizarre strategy, but that's what it seems like he's doing. It seems like he's doing with Ukraine too. They signed all these agreements to guarantee weapon shipments. They're going to try to start a war with Russia and he's like, well, I don't want to look like an idiot, so I'll say it was my idea. What do you think the likelihood is that that's what's motivating him?

2:13:33 I think that's always what it is. I think that Israel acts and the White House reacts. Israel bombs Iran, then they tell the White House. Israel bombs Qatar, then they tell the White House. And then the White House is picking up the pieces. And you're exactly right. I mean, their attack on Qatar, which happened the day before Charlie Kirk was killed, which is sort of interesting timing, this is something that obviously the United States would be opposed to. We have our largest base in the region in Qatar. They are mediating the war in Gaza, the war in Iran, all of this stuff. We have deep ties. Trump visited that country. So it's obviously something he didn't want. And if Israel bombs them from the Red Sea, then that means that either the United States didn't know about it and therefore, like you said, he's weak and can't control them. He's not in control of the situation.

2:14:20 or he's going to have to reprimand Israel or take control of it in some way. So he sort of takes this middle path where he says, yeah, you know, we knew about it and we don't love it. And then he goes and plants a story in the Washington Post and says that he's furious with Netanyahu, he's really unhappy. So they got in between a rock and a hard place. And it's hard to discern what his real mentality is because there's so much deception. you know, when the Iran war kicked off in June, they made it seem like he knew about it the whole time. And basically he was stringing the Iranians along and tricking them so that they would be vulnerable and Israel could catch him with their guard down.

2:15:03 even know that might have been face saving. So we just don't know. It seems that he lies. He lies to Iran. He lies to the public. So it's impossible to say what he really feels on this. But what is clear is he cannot restrain them. He is unwilling or unable to restrain them. And for that reason, it doesn't really make a difference what his mindset is because the result is the same. Yeah, it really is just pathetic and I don't know if you've seen it. You may have been on air when it broke or may have come out earlier. Tucker Carlson giving an interview to Glenn Greenwald and saying he has first-hand knowledge that Netanyahu's going around bragging that he controls America. Trump is such a prideful guy, does that not hurt him? Is he not willing to stand up just because he's being made to look like such a fool on the world stage? And of course we know that Iran has to be the ultimate goal and I feel like Israel has invested so much. They really did a gamble here. They've behaved so abominably. If this doesn't end in the defenestration of the Ayatollah, if this doesn't end in a total destruction of Iran,

2:16:01 They're gonna be in a lot of trouble because Iran's still there and everybody else hates them So like they have to they have to have this end with Iran. It seems like they they're in this they've gambled too much It's a sunk cost fallacy at this point and it seems like they're willing to do anything again as you play it out in your in your head What is the future of Israel with all of these all of Europe is turning against him apparently again? I don't even know what to trust anymore, but apparently they're recognizing a Palestinian state the EU is cutting off weapons transfers and If America turns away from them, they have no allies. What is the future of Israel with the trajectory that we're currently on?

2:16:38 Well, it's all in flux right now and it's really it's the biggest gamble. Netanyahu is gambling the fate of Israel on this because like you said, this whole process has turned the entire world against them in a way that it never was. The entire world is united against Israel, including Europe, including most of the public in the United States, certainly the entire left, most of the young, increasingly significant proportions of the right wing too. And if they're not successful, by the way, they've also turned all the Muslim countries against them too. You've got Iran working with Egypt. You've got Egypt building up their security in the Sinai. You've got Iran having a rapprochement with Saudi Arabia. They're all getting together at the Arab League and the OIC last week to put out this joint statement. So if they're not successful, it sounds like they're screwed. They don't have America in 10, 20 years. They don't have Europe. The whole Muslim world is against them. So it's basically win,

2:17:38 or catastrophe. They either topple Iran, they force Syria, Lebanon, Iran into the Abraham Accords, they become unimaginably wealthy, and they become their own global power, or It could be like an unprecedented setback for that country in a way that they've really never experienced. They've been around for 80 years, and it's only been up and up for them in many ways, in broad strokes. So I think that's just going to be fought out, and it's going to come down to are they able to decapitate Iran? Because if they are, then there is no meaningful opposition in the Middle East, maybe from Turkey, maybe from Egypt.

2:18:16 I mean, really, it's Iran that has built like a fortress to withstand the storm like this. So it's all going to come down to that and whether the United States is going to get involved and how successful this conflict will be. And of course, that river runs right through the war with Russia, the war with China, the war with Venezuela. So. I mean, it's not, I don't think, an exaggeration or alarmism to say we're on the precipice here. Like, we're staring down the cliff right now and it's pretty freaky. I'm not going to lie. I don't know what's on the other side of it. Well, and it's weird too because it's almost like we've been warning them about this since, you know,

2:18:55 a made their bed. Now they're having to lie in it. And it's, it's very disturbing when you think about, you know, where this goes. Uh, it's almost like, man, they probably should have listened to the so-called anti-Semites when we were telling them, Hey, this is not a, there's not a good look y'all for lack of a better term. Uh, but, but they pursue it relentlessly. And it is this weird thing where you've got Israel and you've got NATO both trying desperately to start a war with a power that they cannot defeat without America.

2:18:16 I mean, really, it's Iran that has built like a fortress to withstand the storm like this. So it's all going to come down to that and whether the United States is going to get involved and how successful this conflict will be. And of course, that river runs right through the war with Russia, the war with China, the war with Venezuela. So. I mean, it's not, I don't think, an exaggeration or alarmism to say we're on the precipice here. Like, we're staring down the cliff right now and it's pretty freaky. I'm not going to lie. I don't know what's on the other side of it. Well, and it's weird too because it's almost like we've been warning them about this since, you know,

2:18:55 a made their bed. Now they're having to lie in it. And it's, it's very disturbing when you think about, you know, where this goes. Uh, it's almost like, man, they probably should have listened to the so-called anti-Semites when we were telling them, Hey, this is not a, there's not a good look y'all for lack of a better term. Uh, but, but they pursue it relentlessly. And it is this weird thing where you've got Israel and you've got NATO both trying desperately to start a war with a power that they cannot defeat without America.

2:19:34 and thank God Trump at least seems like he's trying to avoid full-fledged war with these two forces but he's sort of capitulated on Ukraine apparently I mean everything is so topsy-turvy but I mean, what do you think the strategy is here trying to get America into these two wars that we don't want to be in, that the American people definitely don't want to be in? I don't know if they can blackmail enough pedophile congressmen to get the wars going that they really want. So, I mean, why are they acting like this? I guess my question, why are they trying to start fights that they cannot win, especially when they can't rely on their ally America?

2:20:12 Well, I think they're both different in their own way. I think that, of course, Europe is terrified of Russia. Russia is testing. They're testing and they're pushing forcefully against the periphery of the American empire. That's what NATO is. NATO is part of the American empire. And NATO was trying to expand its borders into Ukraine. Russia's pushing back on that. NATO is worried that Russia won't stop there, that they're going to keep pushing on the Baltic states, on Poland, and eventually they're going to come for Europe. And they're right to believe that because Europe cannot defend itself against Russia. Europe does not have the industrial capacity, does not have the military for that. They just don't have the arms or the personnel, the readiness. They're just not prepared for that. And so

2:20:57 Europe is worried about its security. They're so caught up in Ukraine because they say Ukraine is sort of like the first domino of Ukraine goes and they're all going to go and they know they can't fight. They want the United States to guarantee Ukraine's security and in doing so guarantee their security in the future. Now the United States is having difficulty doing that because we are spread way too thin. They just reported that the United States is not giving out any more Patriot missile defense systems because we're out of them. And think about that. Missile defense is fundamental in the conflict in Ukraine, in the conflict in Israel, in the conflict in Taiwan. We're out of those systems and we're not making enough of them. Russia makes enough artillery, drones, ammunition, you name it. They're a war machine.

2:21:49 We can't make the systems. We're spread too thin. So we can give Ukraine those kinds of security guarantees. That's why we've been begging NATO for the past 10 years, spend more money on your military because the balance of power is changing. And so what is happening all across the world is this world historical turning, going from this unipolar moment to a multipolar moment. Russia is testing the boundaries of American empire. China is testing the boundaries of American empire. Israel, in some sense, is acting as a freelancer. They, as a middle power, they're sort of freelancing and they're pursuing opportunities while America's weak.

2:22:31 while also expecting that we're going to join in on their side. So they're a little bit unique in their own way. But I guess suffice to say, why are Israel and Russia, Europe and China, why are these countries acting in this way? It's because the world order as we know it is destabilizing. And that is because America is decreasing in relative terms, and China and Russia are increasing in relative terms, such that now the United States with NATO, Japan, the Quad, whatever, they're coming into parody with China, Russia, and its allies. And so we're really getting into kind of like a bimodal or bipolar system of BRICS versus the US and its alliances, and the former is challenging the latter.

2:23:18 and they're challenging it everywhere it is. The whole world has turned into a chessboard, a battlefield where these forces are expressing themselves. And so I think, you know, what's on the other side of it, it's literally a world war. We're already in one. In Latin America, in Western Africa, in the Middle East, and even the Baltics in Eastern Europe, in South Asia, East Asia, everywhere you look, it's a march towards war. So that's where it's at. It seems like that and it seems like the people in power even here in this country are doing everything they can to push that forward again. Why you would want to drive Russia into the hands of China if China is this big existential threat and Russia is for all intents and purposes a European white nation, Christian. Why would it just it makes no sense unless you think of it as okay.

2:24:06 It's not people acting in America's interest. It's people who sort of have determined that America has served its purpose and now has to sort of be destroyed so the center of power can move away more towards these absolutely fascinating stuff. Thank you so much for staying with us for so long. Follow Nick on X at Nick J Fuentes, Nicholas J Fuentes dot com. And of course, America first on Rumble. Thank you so much for being with us, Nick. Thank you for having me. My pleasure. We'll do it again soon. Stay with us, folks. We'll be right back. So you were just telling me that you had a brain disease. I started having seizures like a few years ago and everybody in my family knows I'm a neuroscientist. What did you do to fix it? Methylene blue. I'd take it. Okay. Yeah. Mel Gibson was on here talking about it. This stuff works, man. I take it every day as well. And yeah, RFK Jr. told me about it.