BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: MKUltra Victim & Human Trafficking Survivor Responds To Bombshell Epstein Revelations Confirming Elite Satanism, Cannibalism, & Mass Murder!

00:00 Clinton Chronicles had told a story about the two boys murdered on the railroad track. You might remember that back in the day, Alex. And Wayne Cox, my handler at the time, was involved in that. He was working the CIA cocaine operations for Bill Clinton and had a cult satanic Coven with Roger Clinton, which was Bill Clinton's half brother. And they were the ones who were working that. those operations when the kids were killed on the railroad track, that's their MO. That was part of it all. And no matter how many times the information starts to come out, it gets covered right back up. But Roger Clinton was heavily involved in the satanic aspect in the precursor to the adrenochrome right there with Wayne Cox, running it for Hillary Clinton because that was her

00:58 her faction of it. So all that was going on, this was back when Bill Clinton was Attorney General of Arkansas, before he was even governor, before he was president. I mean, this goes back that far. These roots of corruption are so deep that we've got to understand how deep they go in order to effectively uproot them all. As soon as a little bit of truth comes out, you know, we got the Epstein files released. What do we get, Alex? Were you predicting it? A shooter. Of course we have to have a trans shooter.

01:36 another one and and that trauma will just be all over the news to divert people away from The information that was coming out we need to get the information out and then go to the deep deep roots of it all What do you make of the trans shooter confirmed threatening basically my life the day before he did this? Well, the trans shooters are, you know, it was decided back at Bohemian Grove, the old Bohemian Grove days, George Bush was talking about how if they lost control over the population with mind control, then they would reduce our numbers to a much more manageable size. So the shooters are part of that,

02:25 By the way, you wrote that 20 years before Zbigniew Brzezinski to the Canadian CFR said the same thing. He said we can no longer, quote, we can no longer manage people and propaganda. We just have to kill everybody. They've lost control. We've already passed critical mass. We passed critical mass 2016 when so many people were awake and aware that the sheer numbers of us overrode the rigged electronic algorithm, the voting machines, to elect a president that was not Hillary Clinton and the New World Order. People knew better all the way back in 2016, and the numbers have grown dramatically since then. Those electronic voting machines have been rigged since their inception to place

03:09 key people in positions of power and influence who were part of the globalist agenda, they went into place in the wake of the Kennedy assassination. George Bush and Dick Cheney owned Diebold. They had huge stock in Diebold, the original electronic voting machines. We need to look back on all that and realize that they're playing the same game. The thing is so many people are awake and aware of it now that they're losing their grip. They're in the last the last ditch efforts now. They went all in 2020 with mind control masked as a virus on the whole global population and all it ended up ultimately doing is waking up people more because everyone got a taste of mind control and realized that they had complied against their will with an adverse agenda. Having been deep in the swamp with these perpetrators,

04:02 Alex, I know that their greatest fear is the strength of the human spirit and the infinite power of love. We've got a great awakening going on. We've got a mental evolution and a spiritual evolution. It's game over. We win as soon as we remember who we are, why we're here, and gather our strength of spirit, unite in love for our children, and raise our vibration. of their reach because they cannot reach us at a high vibration and that's our victory. Because we're in a spiritual warfare, do you think that all the laws and the policies that suppress the spreading of the gospel and sharing our faith as believers to include the cover-up of pedophiles and amongst other things, do you think this is a direct attack against God and Christianity?

04:56 It's a direct attack against our humanity, the essence of our being, the spiritual aspect of who we are because it's our saving grace, it's our strength. So my latest book, Align With The Divine, is about going within and finding that connection within so nothing can attack when we remember who we are and why we're here. I agree, but the Satanists say we want to hurt God by hurting each other, we hurt God. Do you agree with that? Absolutely. That's we've got to protect our children. Well, to say that the Great Awakening has gone into warp speed is a understatement. Everything that Kathy O'Brien talked about 30 plus years ago and detailed and predicted has now come to pass. Everything Ted Gunnarsson exposed.

05:53 Everything that this hero CIA agent officer that helped save Kathy O'Brien talked about has been totally proven. And before she came on, I didn't ask her to do this, but maybe during the next break, she can pull her book out. Because I had a copy around here, but it tends to disappear. People want to read it. But I've read the book probably five times, Transformation of America. It's one of those evergreen books that gets stronger over time. And the book is how they're planning to beta test it with the Satanism feeding into the CIA and MI6 groups. And then to externalize it out to everyone and turn us all into satanic predators. And that's how the book ends. I probably haven't read it in 10 years. But I was looking around earlier for the copies on the bookshelf. It's not out there. Or maybe I missed it. Go check again. So I have a copy here that's all bookmarked, actually. Yeah. And I'm not mad at the crew. People want to read that stuff, so they walk off with it. In fact, whoever's got it at home, bring it back. Okay? So I need to buy a few more, obviously, off our site. I mean, this is like

06:56 revelation. That's what it is because she went through it. And so I couldn't think of somebody better to join us to give her personal take on what's coming out, but also Trump. Because you have the victim saying no, never saw Trump involved. I already know the groups, organizations, know Trump's, that's not his MO. My job is not to defend Trump. But then to have the DOJ slow roll this, say they released it all in March, didn't. They said over the weekend they had sent a letter to Congress, put out some new stuff, lied. I even bought it. That's rare because the lie was so bold. And then Trump's saying it'll hurt the country if this all comes out. Well, no, what'll hurt the country is these satanic networks. And now the cannibalism, the Satanism, the torture of babies, the human cloning. Now they've confirmed the Zorro Ranch does have underground bases, as was said. It was never raided. New York was, the island was, all that. It's

07:50 50 times bigger or more, I mean 100 times, it's 10,000 acres. But we've had Air Force experts, we've looked at it, we look at the Google Maps, they've also flown over now. You see the huge snorkels that are sticking up that you have for underground bases all over the property, just as witnesses and victims said. And then they've got emails of him talking about buying babies and sending sex slaves to the Hyatt Hotel and all this. And then they've got FBI reports where they're like, yeah, this little girl said they did this 10 years ago. Now she's 20, she was 10 at the time. And her report matches this video we have, but they blocked out the video and the photo. And it's them doing unspeakable things, little girl. This is a family show, but this also needs to be known. And this is one case, there's thousands that I've already seen.

08:38 A whole bunch of men, she's bloody, her face beat in, bleeding all over her body. And in the photo that they blacked out, a man has forced his arm all the way into her. It's not clear, and she's got her tongue sticking out in pain. This is what we're talking about. I don't like to have to cover this, but people need to understand. Now, Kathy O'Brien, Gunderson said was 100% dead on. And it matched all the stuff we knew from the history. But then everything else that came out that she predicted is incredible. And it is a testament to the power of God that because I knew her 30 years ago and she had that thousand yard stare and really didn't talk much. You know, the times I was around her at the events we were at, very nice lady, but you could tell she was like, and I would be too. Over the years I've seen her not just come back, but just so well-spoken, glowing,

09:32 So healed, you could say. And that's her own words. I'll put words in her mouth and I totally agree with her. So just knowing this has traumatized me. And I'm not complaining, I'm just saying, I got three daughters. I mean, I couldn't imagine them going through 1% of this. So, and again, her father is Satanist in a satanic group, then bringing her to the CIA. and to be the personal servant of Gerald Ford, who we know has connected all this. And then she gets the higher training, the programming, and that's in these emails where, yeah, we sent out the sex slave, the little girl, she got the intel, she misbehaved a little bit, so I tortured her. When you compartmentalize people, they get photographic memories. This is all declassified, by the way, MKUltra. So, Kathy O'Brien joins us,

10:27 And I want her to go wherever she wants, trans-formation.com during the break. If she's got the book, I've read it many times. I wanted to pull it up, maybe read later, maybe next hour. Because it's just like you're reading it, and it's just like, oh my God, this is exactly what happened. This is incredible. Because she's around these people while they're talking about it. And you've got the ex-wife of Sergei Brin saying, yeah, they collapsed everything on purpose to enslave us with COVID and they're taking over, so I left him. I mean, we have the witnesses to this stuff. And Sergei Brin and Larry Page at Google telling Elon 20 years ago, we don't like humans, we're gonna get rid of everybody. I mean, this is the attitude of these people to do these things. They have tasks to recruit people that will be psychotic or at least sociopathic like them. This is an initiation. So I wanna play a short clip of Trump here.

11:20 Where he talks about, well, I'm not in it, so we need to move on, cuz they're trying to make it about him. No, this is about the victims, and it's about you weren't involved, but now by extension you are. And whether I can look at devil's advocate or whatever, it doesn't matter. This is causing an exodus, and the Democrats who are the ones in all the files are laughing. And I know, Cathy, you've been a supporter of Trump like I am as well. We've seen they found half the missing kids the Democrats brought in. They shut down the smuggling. They're stopping the transgender stuff. They're stopping the wars. It's great, but it still doesn't matter. I don't believe unless you're too able to take on it, but here's Trump. I have nothing to hide. I've been exonerated. Yeah, we know that, but it doesn't matter. Your DOJ has covered it up. Here's a clip. We'll get Cathy O'Brien's take on that.

12:03 So Hillary Clinton said in an interview today that she and her husband are getting pulled into the Epstein matter to divert attention from you and that your administration has something to hide. What's your response to that? I have nothing to hide. I've been exonerated. I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. They went in hoping that they'd find it and found just the opposite. I've been totally exonerated. In fact, Jeffrey Epstein was fighting that I don't get elected with some author. A sleazebag, by the way. And I've been totally exonerated. No, no, they're getting pulled in and that's their problem. I don't know, they're gonna have to see what happens. But I watched her in Munich and she seriously has Trump derangement syndrome. Yeah, there's not one email of Trump or his family in there. Michael Wolff, he's talking about it, and there's the third most mentioned, thousands and thousands. They're in there saying, yeah, Trump's innocent. How do we set him up? No, he never was with the girls.

12:55 It doesn't matter Trump, it's not about you, it's about your DOJ covering up 98% of the files. That's my view. Kathy O'Brien, survivor, overcomer, God bless you so much and your faith in Christ and everything that's happened. You're such a story of just defeating evil and so we salute you. Where do you want to start here? Well, thank you for having me on it. And with all the truth that is coming out, whether this DOJ can do anything about it or not, the fact is the truth is coming out because the people want it and they're sharing it with each other. So that's the most encouraging thing to me. People are saying, well, all this Epstein information coming out, you must feel vindicated. And it's like, no, not really, because

13:49 I already knew my own truth. I already knew what the plan was. And I just wish that people had listened to Transformation of America, read the information back in 1995 when it was released. so that time didn't have to prove it. How many lives have been lost? How many children trafficked and harvested in that process? How much longer are the Clintons gonna go free for their crimes against humanity? It's gotta stop. We, the people, especially the survivors and the victims, have got to see some justice and

14:26 It's really going to be up to all of us. After 35 years of realizing that I'm not going to see conventional justice because national security was invoked on my case, I have learned that the ultimate justice is positive change through public awareness. And it's up to all of us. President Trump told us that he's returning power to we the people. He has. We are empowered. It's up to us. The system is too corrupt. We have all the evidence. We have all the proof that anybody could ever need, and we've had it for years. We do not have a justice system to prosecute it through. And the children cannot wait for this system to clean up. They need us to wake up.

15:17 Share the truth with each other, embrace that reality and know that we can all deal with this situation when we remember who we are, why we're here, align with the divine within, gather that strength of the human spirit and infinite power of love where we naturally unite to protect our children. It's time. We've been waiting a long time for this, Alex, and it's good to see that people are finally embracing the truth and starting to wake up and take action. That is so profound, and you just hit the nail on the head. People tend to look at this as this or that. And yeah, we want all the files released, and it's sad to see the Trump admin

16:05 You know, getting involved at some levels in a cover up. But regardless, the 3 million emails, everything else started to come out is so damning. Thousands of emails delivering the kids, delivering the sex slaves, eating the children. They don't even hide it. Okay, this is devastating. So I've said to Massey and others on air and so has MTG. I think she's coming on next week. Okay, well all these good Congress people, they have access to the unredacted names. Don't just keep bitching at Trump. You know, spend 10% of your time saying release more, but with what you've got, this is coffin nails these people. And whoever's in there, go redacted. And we've got Congressman May saying no, they're now being sent.

16:43 By the DOJ, all the stuff unredacted. So in a way it was true what Mondy said Saturday. They said we're unredacting everything and we've released the files. I thought they meant like to the public, it was to Congress. Then I jumped the gun and said, okay, they're lying. They said they released it, they didn't. No, they did, but they said all of it. No, there's 3 million more emails and all the other stuff. It's a mess. The point is, you're right. We have 3 million documents. We have 180,000 photos and videos. And they're now public, folks. There was an error on the website. We have to put another code behind it, but you can find it all now. And let me tell you, I've looked at it, only a little bit of it, and each thing is just, it'll give you nightmares. But we have to face this collectively. We have to do it. But you're right. We have to keep putting pressure on Trump. But look at ourselves in the mirror. We now have

17:39 The absolute mother load of proof against these people and it's everything you talked about now. It's in the book. Gunnarsson used to tell me stuff, you know, not on air. It was too extreme to say. But I remember Gunnarsson saying no, they starve babies so that they can then. Make them perform full Felicia. That's one of their and then that's Epstein is in there and how they played recordings of the mother So they suck harder and I know it sounds evil just even say this but people need to know and I know you don't like to talk about The satanic ritual abuse you went through to prime you for the CIA But if you I think it's important I mean the stuff that's been described that I was told you told Gunnarsson and when I talked to your partner that saved you I

18:18 I was told off record some of it because you guys thought it was too extreme to talk about. The point is when you're reading these emails, when you're seeing this, is this deja vu for you? It's not that it's deja vu, it's just the confirmation of the reality that this has been going on my whole life. But this is exactly what I was told was going on by you and others. Yeah, it's essential that people understand our children are not only being raped, they're They're not only being trafficked, they're being harvested. And they have been for a long time because the satanic ritual abuse that I experienced for MKUltra mind control is all well documented and proven. And the Clinton's involvement in it is extensive. The MKUltra files have been declassified now. They have been for over a year. They were declassified in December over a year ago.

17:39 The absolute mother load of proof against these people and it's everything you talked about now. It's in the book. Gunnarsson used to tell me stuff, you know, not on air. It was too extreme to say. But I remember Gunnarsson saying no, they starve babies so that they can then. Make them perform full Felicia. That's one of their and then that's Epstein is in there and how they played recordings of the mother So they suck harder and I know it sounds evil just even say this but people need to know and I know you don't like to talk about The satanic ritual abuse you went through to prime you for the CIA But if you I think it's important I mean the stuff that's been described that I was told you told Gunnarsson and when I talked to your partner that saved you I

18:18 I was told off record some of it because you guys thought it was too extreme to talk about. The point is when you're reading these emails, when you're seeing this, is this deja vu for you? It's not that it's deja vu, it's just the confirmation of the reality that this has been going on my whole life. But this is exactly what I was told was going on by you and others. Yeah, it's essential that people understand our children are not only being raped, they're They're not only being trafficked, they're being harvested. And they have been for a long time because the satanic ritual abuse that I experienced for MKUltra mind control is all well documented and proven. And the Clinton's involvement in it is extensive. The MKUltra files have been declassified now. They have been for over a year. They were declassified in December over a year ago.

19:15 All that information is right there for anybody to research and see and validate everything that's starting to come out now with the Epstein files. It's important that we understand how mind control factors into all of this because mind control is a sliding scale from the kind of torturous robotic MK ultra mind control that I experienced on a White House Pentagon level being programmed at various DARPA NASA and military installations by satanic Lieutenant Colonel Michael Aquino, founder of the occult temple, proliferating on military bases that has reached into our society on so many different levels. The satanic aspect is used as a trauma base. When we understand the components of mind control,

20:08 whether it's of an individual, a nation, a classroom, a military or the world. Trauma is the basis of it and it was found through Hitler-Himmler research. There's no trauma more horrific on the human mind than sexual abuse of a child prior to age five while the brain is still forming. When we understand how our brains respond to that kind of trauma, then we'll understand that the pedophile agenda is a mind control agenda. And by the way, let me back you up. There are thousands of emails, literally, I've read, we've showed a bunch of them, it's insane, where MC's talking to behavioral psychologists, all these people about traumatizing children and others to create

20:55 Basically the X-Man effect and for those who don't know that's the classified M.K. Ultra by torturing children it compartmentalizes them and then they're able in certain compartments to find photographic memories, you name it, and then it creates these little super agent servants not just for sex but spying on people and the child can come back and report back an entire dinner meeting word for word what was said. That's what you wrote about in your book. You were trained for that, correct? I mean you were sent out as an agent, as an operative. Absolutely, absolutely. I worked on the White House Pentagon level throughout my victimization. The satanic aspect in the Hitler Himmler research that is the second most horrific trauma on the human mind because it violates everything sacred within us and it violates our

21:38 our capacity to understand that we have all the power and they only have as much power as we give them or let them steal. It makes us feel like it's beyond our realm to affect when in fact it is. We've got this saving grace, we've got the victory within us all. And we need to remember all that. But the information on our own mind brain function that is our defense against mind control that details what happens in the human mind to create a heightened suggestibility, a compliant society when sexual abuse of children is allowed to proliferate to this extent. When we understand all that was buried under national security

22:25 When we imported the Nazi and fascist scientists into the US with Project Paperclip, with them came that formula for mind control. And right thereafter, the 1947 National Security Act went into place. to cover up information on our mind brain function because knowledge is our defense against mind control. They don't want us to have our own birthright knowledge. They don't want us to know what's covered up. Explaining that knowing of the enemy and its plan, then you have resistance and instead it doesn't even, it makes you even stronger once you're aware of it. And to be clear, you're right. They took the Nazi.

23:01 They called it mind war program, they thought it was the best and used it. But under British intelligence going back to the 1850s, they developed what they called mind war, the Nazis kind of copied it, where they found similar systems but not as good as the Nazis. And that's why Sigmund Freud and his nephew, Edward Bernays and others, they were heavily pushing pedophilia publicly and mind control as well, but through more of a group brainwashing. Yeah, Mind War, that is also the book that Lieutenant Colonel Michael Aquino wrote. And it is the psychological warfare on humanity that's unfolding today. It's the satanic ritual abuse. It's the sexual abuse and harvesting of our children. It's the trauma that's affecting the whole nation while this continues to go forward.

23:51 forward with no justice, you know, so that is being further traumatic in itself. But Michael Aquino wrote that book with General Bailey, who is on the board of directors of Turning Point USA, you know, so we're seeing infiltration, we're seeing far reaching effects, and we all need to wake up and start facing the facts of what mind control is all about. What the mind war, psychological warfare, the trauma that we're all experiencing is all about. And when we have that knowledge, that's our defense against mind control. Then we evolve with that knowledge and we don't comply with it anymore. Then we take back our own power.

24:39 Then we realize it is up to us. It's up to, it always has been. Each and every one of us, each and every individual needs to reclaim their free thought. free will soul expression so they can gather that strength of human spirit and the infinite power of love because in that regard the mind control that's being used as a spiritual battle it's a spiritual warfare on all of us because they're using mind control to keep us from going within and realizing that we have that strength of the human spirit to remember who we are and why we're here. And that's the plan, and that's why they're using mind control. Absolutely. Just to be clear, you as a child and ongoing, you were part of satanic rituals where children were killed. Yes. It's important for the record. I know it's hard for you to talk about, but people need to know. Can you just briefly, like, your earliest memories or what you saw?

25:43 Oh, absolutely. I mean, not only that, but I think it's important to know that the Satanism was in infiltrated by the CIA for the purposes not only of using it as a trauma base, but also for harvesting the tortured blood of the victims, particularly children. And that was the precursor to adrenochrome. The fact that Satanists drank blood was the precursor to it. And Hillary Clinton was actively involved in 1977 that I know of, and the trafficking of that

26:24 adrenalized blood, and that is the kind of murder that I witnessed. So that that was put into what Bill Clinton had already established as the CIA's cocaine operation, the MENA cocaine operation. She was using the satanic blood aspects. So she was involved in human trafficking, child sex trafficking, but above all, child harvesting, for the adrenochrome all the way back in 1977. The horrors that I have seen are unconscionable, they're inexcusable. Were you told by people you worked with under the operation? Or did you ever see Hillary engage in any of this?

27:07 Yeah, I was exposed to Hillary in the 70s, in the late 70s and throughout my MK ultra victimization. Wow, if you don't mind, please tell us that because I remember a text Mars had this huge library. This was pre-internet. He showed me all these news clippings like AP about one time Al Gore gets off an airplane and a small refrigerator falls and bust open full of bags of blood. And there are other witnesses that he literally doesn't just do IVs, he drinks it. That's been in the news. I mean, at Thompson Reuters you'll probably find it with a Lexus Nexus search. Kathy O'Brien, Zarghis, stay with us.

29:55 She then, when her first job as a lawyer was sent to Hot Springs to cover up the mafia that was based there out of Chicago, raping kids. In one case, an 11-year-old girl grabbed her off the bicycle, raped her, destroyed her cervix with a broomstick. And then there's audio of her bragging that she knew that they raped her, but she got them off. Day one, and of course her dad was the number two to Daley in the mafia in Chicago. And so this is a monster of monsters and then the clip can never be found because it's pre-internet like pre like video clips. It was like 1993, Bill Clinton had just been elected and David Rockefeller was at the White House visiting and this is an exact quote and somebody out there could probably find this or you can go to TV Archive place and buy it, we should. He goes,

30:50 Back when I was in high school going to that private school, David Rockefeller came to visit and he pulled me aside and said I could be president one day and I started working with him. And I just want to say there were only two people thought I'd ever be president. That was my mama and David Rockefeller. So thank you, David Rockefeller. Now that's an exact quote. The fact that he worked for Rockefeller is on record, but we now know Epstein was brought to the Trinidad commission to serve under Rockefeller, the head of it. And when Rockefeller couldn't make the decision, couldn't be there, he'd send Epstein. So David Rockefeller is right at the center of this. So let's go there. I mean, I remember you 30 years ago were naming names going through it. Who are the world leaders you were working for? The Pentagon is a very young girl. You go out of the Satanism as the feeder group into the MKUltra. How much of that do you remember?

31:40 Then the programming, then you're going around, you were saying you directly saw Hillary Clinton involved. Cuz now we have these thousands of emails about all the jerky and the jerky's being delivered and we're isolating it and it's in the freezer and we're sending it to labs. And man, we're gonna get off this jerky diet, it's all we've been eating. And then we have Woody Allen and all of them, come on, no, these are kids. They're eating flesh, they're grinding up the bones for roughage, or for fiber in the guts. I mean, this is hell world. It's not even coded. They're like one piece of pizza for seven people. It's glowing. It loves it. You're going to really enjoy it. The Podesta emails, WikiLeaks, we're living the seven, nine and 11 year old to the hot tub for your pleasure, for your entertainment and the Aleister Crowley stuff. I mean, it's just unspeakable. So

32:30 It's important this on record, okay? Because I know you talked about this decades ago. But if you can specifically, you were talking about Hillary Clinton. I know there's a lot you can say, but who do you want to get on record here of what you witnessed and who was involved? Thank you, Kathy O'Brien. The Clinton Chronicles had told a story about the two boys murdered on the railroad track. You might remember that back in the day, Alex. And Wayne Cox, my handler at the time, was involved in that. He was working the CIA cocaine operations for Bill Clinton and had a cult satanic

33:12 Coven with Roger Clinton, which was Bill Clinton's half brother. And they were the ones who were working that. those operations when the kids were killed on the railroad track. That's their MO. That was part of it all. And no matter how many times the information starts to come out, it gets covered right back up. But Roger Clinton was heavily involved in the satanic aspect and the precursor to the adrenochrome right there with Wayne Cox, running it for Hillary Clinton because that was her her faction of it. So all that was going on, this was back when Bill Clinton was Attorney General of Arkansas, before he was even governor, before he was president. I mean, this goes back that far. These roots of corruption are so deep that we've got to understand how deep they go in order to effectively uproot them all.

34:12 As soon as a little bit of truth comes out, you know, we got the Epstein files released. What do we get, Alex? Were you predicting it? A shooter. Of course we have to have a trans shooter. another one and that trauma will just be all over the news to divert people away from the information that was coming out. We need to get the information out and then go to the deep, deep roots of it all. I agree. What do you make of the trans shooter confirmed threatening basically my life the day before he did this? Well, the trans shooters are, you know, it was decided back at Bohemian Grove, the old Bohemian Grove days.

34:58 George Bush was talking about how if they lost control over the population that with with mind control then They would reduce our numbers to a much more manageable size. So the shooters are part of that By the way, you wrote that 20 years before as a baby Brzezinski to the Canadian CFR said the same thing He said we can no longer put the quote. We can no longer manage people in propaganda. We just have to kill everybody. I Yeah. And he said if that doesn't work that they'll destroy the planet. We're watching so much of that happen in real time right now. And this has been I've had this information released since 1995. So I'm I'm.

35:40 I'm hoping that more and more of it will come to light so that we realize that this plan does not need to unfold. It's already not unfolding the way they want it to. They're getting frantic. The transgender movement is a pedophile agenda with the depopulation agenda attached to it. Look back on Gerald Ford's cabinet and who he had in it and what he was doing. Gerald Ford had Henry Kissinger in his cabinet and they wrote the first depopulation agenda. That's public record. Anybody can research that for themselves and see that. We'll see how,

36:19 how much of the corruption was rooted all the way back then. He had Rockefeller as his vice president. He had Dick Cheney in his cabinet. Dick Cheney is one of the most violent, horrific abusers that has ever been in the United States. Ever been just horrible horrible George Bush senior. Well for those who don't know how do you spend a little time? What you personally know about change has been confirmed by others. He likes to beat people to death pretty much Dick Cheney, yes He's absolutely brutal and he uses the most dangerous game of human hunting. I was hunted by him when I was 17. That was the first time in Jackson Hole, Wyoming at his place there and hunted numerous times after. That most dangerous game is a trauma-based

37:16 for mind control, especially on a high level. By the way, that's now coming out in these documents and others about elites literally hunting people at places like that. Absolutely. And it's to create a sense that there's no place to run and no place to hide. Since many do die, many are killed, you never know if you're going to survive it or not. So you do everything. You're told as though your life depends on it because it does. That's the programming. And Dick Cheney was very much a part of all that. And these deep roots of corruption are something that we need to realize have been a strong basis of mind control, not only for individuals like me, but for our nation as a whole. Because Gerald Ford is the one who covered up the Kennedy assassination. That's when these perpetrators, this globalist agenda, this dark negative energy force that's in,

38:15 raping our children and using drug and human trafficking across open borders to fund their agenda. That's when they took over. And it was a horrific, a horrific trauma to the whole nation. Again, trauma is a basis of mind control and that trauma traumatized the nation. And it's when they took over anyone questioning the one bullet theory was called a conspiracy theorist. They were shamed for questioning the repetitive media narrative, looking and,

38:51 in Gerald Ford's cabinet again, and he had Jack Vellini, head of the Motion Picture Association of America as his press secretary. Jack Vellini is the one who gave us the term conspiracy theory of anyone questioning the media narrative because he controlled the media narrative. He had a very high position of power over everything that was emanating out of Hollywood, and we know what a pit of human trafficking. This, this history is important. I'm going to go wherever you want, but I want to speak what you're saying is I totally agree with you. The great awakenings here. They're in panic mode. They admitted even at their Munich conference, CFR meetings, trilateral communities, WF meetings. And I get from my level sources and I've met off record with some to the top people who aren't implicated in this, but are very famous, very well known. And a lot of them have obviously broken with them publicly, you know, had Elon Musk on things. I'll leave it at that. He definitely knows about this as fighting it.

39:46 So so this is all being basically separated out right now How would you describe where the globalist are with a satanic network is right now? And what do you think they're gonna do to strike back? They've lost control. They've we've already passed critical mass We passed critical mass 2016 when so many people were awake and aware that the sheer numbers of us overrode the rigged electronic algorithm the voting machines and to elect a president that was not Hillary Clinton and the New World Order. People knew better all the way back in 2016 and the numbers have grown dramatically since then. Those electronic voting machines have been rigged since their inception to place

40:29 key people in positions of power and influence who were part of the globalist agenda, they went into place in the wake of the Kennedy assassination. George Bush and Dick Cheney owned Diebold. They had huge stock in Diebold, the original electronic voting machines. We need to look back on all that and realize that they're playing the same game. The thing is so many people are awake and aware of it now that they're losing their grip. They're in the last the last ditch efforts now. They went all in 2020 with mind control masked as a virus on the whole global population. And all it ended up ultimately doing is waking up people more because everyone got a taste of mind control and realized that they had complied against their will with an adverse agenda and are seeing the horrific effects of it. And they declassified the MI6-CA, all of them worked together to quote, terrorize the public. It's declassified.

41:27 And as you said in your book 31 years ago, if they start losing, they will depopulate, meaning a virus. My concern is that COVID was a beta test, now that they're so cornered, I think they may release something far worse. Well, they also are other components of mind control are sleep, food and water deprivation. People are working nine to five, five to nine to put food on the table that has no nutritional value. It's being genetically altered and bioengineered to deliberately starve our brains. Mind control shuts down neuron pathways, whether it's trauma or starvation, lack of sleep,

42:06 because we have to work so hard. Look at the next CM call that was a CIA connected Epstein operation. It used sleep and food deprivation on all these rich women. And now we have it tied into the Abercrombie and Fetch guys. They were running the male slaves, all tied in with Les Wexner, the controller of Epstein. And so in general, because I want to break some major Epstein news with you that just broke. We've already foreshadowed but now confirmed and then take calls and go anywhere you want. But just in general, what do you make of Epstein and him working directly for David Rockefeller as his stand in the Trilateral Commission? This wasn't known until recently, this is confirmed. How important is David Rockefeller? I mean, were you asking me about Epstein? Because- In general, who Epstein was, the networks and people keep asking.

42:59 me and everywhere, who's the next Epstein? The networks, the drag queen story time, the transgenderism, the sexualization of children all over TV, Nickelodeon. They've gone, as you said in your book 31 years ago, with the CIA guy that helped you write it, we just talked about him, an incredible patriot, that Mr. Phillips, that they would be externalized and that they're trying to make us all Epstein. Speak to that, because you said that in your book and back then that was completely novel. That's confirmed now. Well they're not making us like them because we're not like them. They're a dark negative energy force that feed off a low vibration like they are. What the ultimate end goal is for them is to dumb us down so far that they can align us with artificial intelligence.

43:48 artificial intelligence is flat linear thinking like their criminal minds and they're trying to lower our vibration. Having been deep in the swamp with these perpetrators, Alex, I know that their greatest fear is the strength of the human spirit and the infinite power of love. We've got a great awakening going on. We've got a mental evolution and a spiritual evolution. It's game over. We win as soon as we remember who we are, why we're here, and gather our strength of spirit, unite in love for our children, and raise our vibration.

44:24 out of their reach because they cannot reach us at a high vibration. And that's our victory. We have the victory. You're absolutely right. But it's like Terminator, Skynet's beaten. So they send a Terminator back to the past to try to stop us. I agree. And so then to watch Trump say, it'll destroy America, it's too horrible. You're not stopping at Trump. And I get like overall, he's got Kennedy in there getting the poison out and stopping the shots. And you think Trump's good, not overall do, and you're a top well known certified victim and overcomer of this. So I really respect you on that. And so that goes into my calculus here. And I agree, we shouldn't just spend all our time bitching about Trump. How about the Democrats are actually doing it in the files and how about we get Congress

45:09 As MTG said, she's out now. Okay, well you've got it unredacted, start releasing the damn names. You got a bitch about Trump, say release the rest, great. But also, let's see Massey and all the rest of you start releasing it now. By the way, I don't know how they did it, I guess AI. I saw this clip on C-SPAN 25 years ago or longer with David Rockefeller. There were only two people that thought I could be president, my mom and David Rockefeller. And in the whole documentary about it, I remember seeing it, He described how Rockefeller came to his school, picked him out. It turned out his mother was a prostitute, it's been confirmed. And that the governor, Rockefeller's, his brother was it, was actually his dad. So it was a family thing. This is all even in the newspapers in Arkansas if you don't know about it.

45:56 But the crew, I haven't asked yet how they found it, I'm guessing AI. They found the clip. They say it's a clip. We'll see if it's the exact clip I'm looking for. Cuz I remember it, cuz at the time, I would tape stuff that I've, listeners would mail it to me. And so I think I taped it on C-SPAN, I had it on a VHS, I lost it. So I probably played this like 50 times back at the time. But I remember Clinton was still in office. He was thanking David Rockefeller. Let's see if they found the clip. Here it is. Rockefeller is a name that resonates throughout American history. It means not only private success and wealth, but also an abiding sense of public responsibility. David Rockefeller is the standard bearer of this family and this tradition, for making unprecedented commitments to biomedical research, to sending tens of thousands of retired executives, all volunteers, to developing nations in need of advice and skills. In every region of the world, heads of state seek his counsel.

47:01 But whether he is addressing the King of Spain or a fellow beetle collector he meets by chance, he treats everyone with exactly the same impeccable courtesy and respect as I learned when I met him a good while before anyone but my mother thought I could become president. David Rockefeller is a gentleman, a statesman, a scholar. And most important, a genuine humanitarian of a likes our nation has rarely seen. Commander, read the citation. The President of the United States of America awards this Presidential Medal of Freedom to David Rockefeller. Through his extensive humanitarian efforts to promote world peace, David Rockefeller has worked to improve lives both at home and abroad.

47:54 Building on his family's tradition of charitable giving, he has generously supported a wide range of educational, cultural, health, and urban renewal programs. As co-founder of the International Executive Service Corps, he has recognized the duty and responsibility of the private sector to a world in need. Yeah, that's Corporal Will Gumbis. Let's stop there. Great job of the crew. It was Thomas Siska who found it. I guess he said it before, no, no. It's like a documentary about Rockefeller comes to school, picks him out, and then puts him on the fast track to the CIA, which they admit Clinton was CIA. And he says, there were only two people thought I could be president within in high school, my mom and David Rockefeller. So thank you, David Rockefeller. But it's okay, you guys found him saying the same thing, just not the exact clip. So see, I don't make stuff up, folks. So, so, so, so, so, Kathy O'Brien, please continue.

48:42 Well, Bill Clinton is such a liar anyway. We expect him to lie, so that was no credibility to his opinion of Rockefeller there. I think it's really important for all of us to realize that identifying these criminals, and I've had to deal with this after waiting 35 years for justice against the Clintons, To know that someone like Hillary Clinton is still around free to do anything she wants to our children is just absolutely atrocious. And a reminder to each and every one of us everywhere that it's up to us.

49:22 to protect our children. It's up to us to make the difference. It's up to us to be the difference that we need to see in the world because we can't wait any longer for these criminals to be stopped and locked up. And as soon as one of them is locked up, someone else will take over unless we understand the agenda, unless we realize that it's our need to protect our children that The sexual abuse of children is not a perversion. It is not okay in any way whatsoever. When we research our own mind brain function and understand what that sexual abuse does to the human brain, it shuts down our brilliant minds. It shuts down our birthright to be brilliant and live the love we are, to be able to think free for ourselves. Well, that's right. If we're free, the globalists admit

50:15 will out think them and create a beautiful free society. That's why they want to dumb down trauma based system. We're going to go to break, come back. I've got this big Zorro Ranch news. It's massive underground bases, you name it. This is so huge. I want to get your take on this. Kathy O'Brien, former MK Ultra, satanic ritual abuse survivor, wrote the book Transformation for America 31 years ago, all documented. People go to trans-formation.com. They should all get the book. You're on X at real Kathy O'Brien. You're insane if you don't read it. By the way, I keep asking, can you maybe during the break flip to the book and just because I remember reading I mean, I read the book like five times and I had a copy of the novice. I can't find it where you were you guys, you and your co-author get into how they were beta testing it to roll it out on everybody. That's so important. We'll come right back to you in about two minutes. And I'm going to open the phones up to next hour to take a few phone calls. You good for that, Kathy?

57:44 So take advantage now, you have less than 48 hours. So tomorrow night at midnight. You have until tomorrow night at midnight. All right. Some stations don't carry this first five minutes, but the internet does. So I don't want to not be here. I want to give the number out coming up next. I'm going to break this huge Zorro Ranch news and get Kathy O'Brien's take on it. But Kathy, the most prominent, documented MK ultra satanic ritual abuse survivor and overcomer out there in this segment, where do you want to go? Other angles you think people should know about what's happening right now? I think it's extremely important for people to know about the vast number of survivors that are emerging and talking about MKUltra Mind Control. There's so many who are finally feeling vindicated that the information is starting to come out. And there's just a lot that people need to hear from the

58:44 The vast numbers, they're surviving these days. Back when Mark Phillips rescued me out of MKUltra Mind Control, it was very rare that anybody survived. And I was extremely fortunate to survive because I was to be killed at Bohemian Grove in one of their rituals and be burned alive in order to die in front of these global perpetrators to make them feel like I died with their secrets. Instead, Mark Phillips, brilliant, brilliant intelligence insider, working the highest levels of intelligence, mind sciences to preserve the sanctity of free thought, had reached in and lifted me out of that victimization in order that we could start

59:33 exposing what was going on. And he saved my life from certain demise at Bohemian Grove. He intercepted me right in between. And I'm so fortunate he did and that I was able to heal. It's within us all to heal. And mental health has been deliberately taught wrong. It's time that people realize that and would that we have been blessed with the resiliency within us. The methods Mark taught me are in PTSD, time to heal. Everyone, everywhere can apply these easy to self-apply methods to themselves and heal from any level of trauma.

1:00:12 abuse, fear, control, even media manipulation to reclaim our free thought, free will, to be able to expand our thinking beyond what we think we know because our knowledge base has been deliberately altered and we have been taught wrong. We all need to expand our thinking. PTSD, time to heal, shows us how. And I'm forever grateful that Mark Phillips was able to release this information by helping me so that I could share the information from an inside perspective so that others too can heal. This information has reached so many, the survivors are healing. And it's the most important part is that knowing that all these children who have been trafficked

1:01:01 The vast numbers who are being rescued right now can be helped. They can heal just like I did because we've got that resiliency of body, mind and spirit. After 30 years of torturous, robotic MKUltra mind control, I was able to not only reclaim my free thought, but also to reclaim my joy, my inner peace, my life's purpose, to be able to live the love I am and continue bringing this message forward because we all need it these days.

1:01:37 What we're seeing isn't new. What's new is that we're finally seeing it. And as we see it, rather than let it overwhelm us, let it empower us by reclaiming our birthright to live the love we are, to remember who we are, why we're here, and take a stand now for the children's sake. It's up to us. We can't wait on this system to clean up. It's up to each and every one of us to do it, and we have within us the capacity for us. We have the victory within us. It's time to shine that and eradicate this darkness once and for all. All right.

1:02:18 I want to come back and give the number out. I want to get into this huge, it's all huge. This Zorro Ranch stuff is huge and I can confirm what's in here from our separate sources. But it's all, there's a lot of investigators on this now that are very respected underground bases with the witnesses said, all right, we're about to break major breaking news on the Zorro Ranch. It was never searched by the feds, which was 10,000 acres plus Huge facility, victim said facilities underground. They talk about underground facilities in the emails, underground facilities also at the pedophile island, Little St. John's, but the feds never went in there. There's a big scandal brewing with that now, with folks running for high office in Texas that now own it. Helicopter pads, you name it, there's a whole secret government complex nearby. This is a big deal.

1:03:16 But Kevin O'Brien, before we go there, let's talk about Mark Phillips that saved you and who co-authored the book with you. Because Gunnarsson, who I totally trusted, he was tapped even whenever J. Edgar Hoover died to try to be the Nixon wanted him as the FBI director because he was a good guy, but they blocked it. He was the head of the LA operation. He'd run major operations for the FBI called Telpro. So he was an insider. And he said your stuff was dead on, but reading your book now, the last time I did it, it all came true. So yeah, there's Mark Phillips. He died in 2017. Tell us about Mark Phillips, what an interesting and amazing person he was and how he was able to save you. Mark Phillips was working the highest levels of intelligence, mind sciences to preserve the sanctity of free thought. He's an absolute hero to us all in his lack of tolerance for the criminal activities. He was CIA, that's been confirmed. So you're saying there are good guys in there too?

1:04:13 Well, he was a spook. He was CIA, FBI, NSA. Exactly. Real spooks are in it all, for people that don't know. Yeah, he was CIA, NSA, Secret Service, anything he needed to be at any time. Did he tell you how he got recruited, how he woke up, and how he did what he did? Because you read the book, I mean, it all came true. It's just pure genius. All right, we just lost her feed.

1:04:53 Yeah, I mean, I had dinner with these guys, doing well, interviewed them many times and all the big insiders, they said, no, this is real, this is dead on. And I mean, you read the book now, I'm not trying to, I'm not even getting money for selling the book, she didn't even ask me to sell it. I'm just like, I gotta read it again because it's just like, my God, this is all getting true. And I don't know if during the break, she actually pulled the book out to read those passages. There's like whole chapters on how it's transformation of America, it's a transformation of everything. Sorry, we lost your connection. Did Mark ever get into how he got recruited or why he broke away or what happened? He was a spook, so he wore every hat. He was extremely high up in intelligence and was in and out of the White House. And when he saw children being trafficked, he decided to do something about it. And that's when he lifted my daughter and me right out of the Washington, D.C., human trafficking swamp. By the way, that's what Larry Nichols, highly decorated Green Beret Vietnam, high level security in Iran country and at MENA, he finally had to come to Jesus moment

1:05:57 And literally fell down on his knees when he found out that they were hurting children. He's dead now, but he was on record the Clinton's main fixer, really their handler. And so it shows there's good people in the system. We're not defending the system. But Larry Nichols said the same stuff. He said, I can't get into it, Alex. But what I learned, they were trafficking kids. And look, my uncle was an Iran-Contra, highly decorated helicopter pilot, Vietnam. And then he got recruited and he was just building airfields and you're running airfield operations and communications. But he was the guy who is, he was world champion at a, at one point and Morse code. And even back then they did Morse code back to the white house. He was reporting to bill Barr. We now know it was the head of the operation, at least the liaison for the Bush. It was hiding from, from, from Reagan, but just side issue.

1:06:44 He told me a little bit about it, told my mom some, but when he was dying of pneumonia, before they put him on a ventilator, now 12 years ago, William Forrest Hammond was his name. He said, listen, I did things in Vietnam, he told me this stuff. And he said, I did the things for the unjustified means. But he said there came a time when it was so bad that I had to leave and I had to get out of it. A bunch of stuff happened, but the point was is he asked what was it he said they were running orphanages of little kids in Central South American flying kids out. He goes we don't know where but it was bad and then a bunch of guys

1:07:21 in Army Special Operations, a sign of the CIA went public that killed the guy under him, shot them both up. He got shot up. I remember picking him up at the Air Force Base in Dallas when I'm a little kid and like in a stretcher where he was shot up. But the point was is that this is the point of there's a soul out there and there's good people that we stand on their shoulders. Sorry, get back into Mark Phillips, I apologize. Absolutely. Oh, there are. There's good people everywhere. And I certainly was the last to believe it when Mark rescued my daughter and me. I didn't know good people even existed in the world anymore. It was I didn't even know how to how to trust that there could be anything good. But my brain knew I was safe and the neuron pathway started opening up. And I began remembering it as quickly as I did.

1:08:13 He began remembering the things I'd been tortured to forget. Mark told me to write him out. He said, the pen is mightier than the sword. The pen activates the, that when you move a pen, it activates the logic, critical analysis part of the brain. It's where we process information. Explain, that's what studies, but he, it didn't come out, but he was right then. It bypasses the emotions and goes right to the actual memory. It shifts the emotionally incomprehensible that's been repressed, opens neuron pathways to move it over to conscious, where it's written out on paper, consciously seen, and all of a sudden healing happens, psychiatrically, psychologically, emotionally, spiritually. It's such an important

1:08:58 aspect of our brain function that we have taken writing by hand out of the school system in order to indoctrinate the children. If we get writing by hand back in the school system, that alone will stop the indoctrination. But as I wrote out this memory, he was handing it to his friends in intelligence and in law enforcement. He was handing it over to people in the CIA, the NSA, the FBI. And above all, we had William Von Raab back in the day. I don't know if you remember Von Raab, he was head of US Customs. Yeah, he was in the same position that Tom Holman is now and the media went after him with everything they had because he was exposing the drug and human trafficking across open borders. He was exposing the Clintons. He was exposing all of the horrors that were going on. I mean, what an amazing,

1:09:54 What an amazing person he was. But there were so many good people that genuinely cared all the way back then. And Mark Phillips was one of them, and he is the one that led my daughter and me to freedom. Well, we saw the Democrats ship out a half million kids, even New York Times admitted many sex slavery, slave labor. They've now to told me this stuff and I knew what he did. I know what he was involved in. I know the details. And he said, no, it's all true. And I remember him actually talking about you because he was listening to the show and he said, no, all that stuff, it's all real. And he wasn't like directly, they just ran airfield. So there's guys reporting back, Hey man, they're loading kids out and flying them out of here. We're tracking anything good. And even then, you know, so, so, and he said, he goes, there comes a point where you incrementally go along with stuff. Cause we're the good guys. We got to bend it to win.

1:11:01 And then you finally go, no, we've become the bad guys. You got to say no. I think Trump needs to get to that point and just understand he's got to go to full war. He can't just get rid of the bad guys behind the scenes, which he's shutting down. And then, oh, but it's so damaging to put this out. It'll hurt America's faith and credit. Other governments, Europe's even worse than we are. This is a worldwide system. Did you agree with me that just Trump needs to just release it all? Absolutely. And as people wake up I'm sure more and more is going to come out. You know in my experience when I was working in the 80s in the Reagan Bush administration Bush and the Clintons everyone that I knew feared Trump back then because he was already adamantly opposing

1:09:54 What an amazing person he was. But there were so many good people that genuinely cared all the way back then. And Mark Phillips was one of them, and he is the one that led my daughter and me to freedom. Well, we saw the Democrats ship out a half million kids, even New York Times admitted many sex slavery, slave labor. They've now to told me this stuff and I knew what he did. I know what he was involved in. I know the details. And he said, no, it's all true. And I remember him actually talking about you because he was listening to the show and he said, no, all that stuff, it's all real. And he wasn't like directly, they just ran airfield. So there's guys reporting back, Hey man, they're loading kids out and flying them out of here. We're tracking anything good. And even then, you know, so, so, and he said, he goes, there comes a point where you incrementally go along with stuff. Cause we're the good guys. We got to bend it to win.

1:11:01 And then you finally go, no, we've become the bad guys. You got to say no. I think Trump needs to get to that point and just understand he's got to go to full war. He can't just get rid of the bad guys behind the scenes, which he's shutting down. And then, oh, but it's so damaging to put this out. It'll hurt America's faith and credit. Other governments, Europe's even worse than we are. This is a worldwide system. Did you agree with me that just Trump needs to just release it all? Absolutely. And as people wake up I'm sure more and more is going to come out. You know in my experience when I was working in the 80s in the Reagan Bush administration Bush and the Clintons everyone that I knew feared Trump back then because he was already adamantly opposing

1:11:43 The MK Ultra slaves like myself being run out of the State Department. He was disgusted with the drug and human trafficking across open borders and the sexualization of children. They were scared of him because they couldn't blackmail him, mind control him, because he had the knowledge that's our defense against mind control. They couldn't coerce him, they couldn't buy him off. He had his own money. They couldn't blackmail him. He wasn't given- Even the heads of the mafia have gone public and said that he was the only guy they couldn't buy off. Right, right, exactly. Plus that's Trump's MO to let no one run him. Like that's why it came out it was fake, that he flew to Russia to be peed on by hookers, as if Trump is, as if he would do that and be compromised. Trump is all about he's in control.

1:12:27 Yeah, absolutely. And that was so well known among these people back then that they feared him. So that was my experience in knowing about President Trump then. And then after- Well, did you ever hear about Trump when you were in the project, in the program or after? Yeah, they feared him. Absolutely, they feared him. And not only that- Well, elaborate on that. Elaborate on that. Let's know more. Well, there was one particular operation where I was dropped off at one of Trump's casinos in Atlantic City, New Jersey to meet with Phil Habib. It was about a drug operation and everything. And I was told by my handler when he dropped me at the door.

1:13:13 that if Trump, that I was not to speak to him because if I had anything to do with Trump, they would kill me. That was just, it was do or die. They said, he's not one of us. If I was told they're not one of us, that meant if I had any association at all. I would be killed. So it was do or die. I mean that's how much they feared him. And that was my experience at that time. It was also my experience with Mark Phillips over those many many years that he and I were together speaking out on mind control and healing from it. that it was understood that politics can't fix this problem for us, government can't fix it for us. It's gonna take each and every one of us waking up. The Great Awakening had to happen. And by the way, I'm getting chills. We got a final interview with you.

1:14:06 you Yeah, and I mean, now we hear Pam Bondi say it'll collapse the system, and I'm going, collapse it! It's so corrupt. The only people it's serving are the Clintons, the criminals, the perpetrators. It is not serving we the people. It's locking up people like Tina Peters. It's locking up the innocent. And it's thrusting children back into a corrupted so-called child protective services. Maybe we can pull this up, but Hillary said yesterday, guys, I wanted to,

1:14:49 Hillary put out a thing saying Bill and I were never involved with Epstein when they set up their foundation with them on record publicly, it's in the emails too, and it's all Trump. What do you make of her statement? What do you say to her? It's just diversionary. The media, it followed the money, is owned by these perpetrators and that's their media voice. It's like we pull back the wizard's curtain and we find out there's only a handful of them pulling levers to appear to be more of them than they are. And that is the media voice created Trump derangement syndrome. That is mass mind control and it's deliberately done to keep people wondering and looking over there. They don't want anybody looking at them. They don't want anybody seeing their corruption, even though it's right there in black and white. And by the way, you talk about victimology for 30 years and I didn't even get what you were saying. Don't be a victim, don't be a victim.

1:15:50 When you get a victim, you can't overcome, you can't analyze, you get in a catatonic fetal position psychologically instead of, no, I'm fighting back. Your body's geared up to get the info, overcome it and defeat it. We're not wimps, folks. God built us powerful, but if we just lay down, we'll never learn. And we're gonna get our ass kicked in some of these fights too, but we get stronger. That which doesn't kill you only makes you stronger to quote Niji. Can you speak to that? Yes our brains have been made perfect. We have so much resiliency. We've been using like 10 percent of our brain. We've been conditioned to that for generations. We've been conditioned to look outside ourselves to big government big pharma big tech big cult to cult religion to tell us how to live our lives.

1:16:34 When we've got so much capacity within us that is unharnessed yet, we haven't even explored these abilities that we have, the intuitions, the telepathy, the heightened senses, the vibrational frequencies, the clairvoyance, the psychic. We have so much more brain capacity than what we're using and instead we're being dumbed down further and further and further by mind control to try to align us with artificial intelligence. When we use our full brains We have the wisdom that out thinks criminal minds. So a victim mentality is being pushed by the media, by mental health, by education, by society. We've been conditioned for so long to maintain this victim mentality so that we follow authority instead of go within to access the brilliance, the resilient body, mind and spirit that we've been

1:17:38 born with, that we've been blessed with all along. So beautiful, so powerful. I get so excited about that. I am too, because people ask me the worst things in my life, they go, how did that turn out to be the best thing later? It wasn't fun at the time, but it made me so much stronger. And because I overcame it, or even I didn't overcome it at the time, I survived it. It's a victory. It made me who I am. Exactly. And then they say, well, this is too much information. You can't handle it. What if they told everybody it's within you to handle it? Go with them. Remember who you are and why you're here and face this truth because our children need us to face it now. We have the ability to deal with all of this. We don't have the capacity to deal with a constant barrage of lies and trauma and mind manipulation that's being imposed to dumb us down. We need to remember

1:18:31 what we've been blessed with, that we're born with so we can effectively protect the children. We need to do it now. That's why God gave us the gear to overcome this. Yes. And that's what Mark Phillips reminded me of. He knew that my control was the spiritual warfare too. And he reminded me that it's within me to heal. Mark did not deprogram me. Mark reminded me how to heal from within myself. And I share that information with everybody through PTSD Time to Heal. That information is our birthright information. It's what these perpetrators don't want us to remember. They don't want us to remember that we have all the power. And by the way, you and Mark didn't just skate here. They attacked you, they debanked you, they tried to steal your daughter from you. I mean, that's a whole three hours, just what I know, like a James Bond movie. Yes. I mean. Yeah.

1:19:26 Yeah, through those years. I mean, you and I have been at this a long time, Alex, and I know you know I've been through, to hell and back with my daughter's situation. But it was my daughter's situation being medically kidnapped by Child Protective Services, thrust into the corrupt system. I saw Senator Byrd setting up through the Hoover building in Washington, D.C. The KKK Grand Dragon. Yeah, yeah. And he set up the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children as a catch net operation. Who they later put the head of the Clinton Foundation convicted pedophile over Amber Alert. Yes.

1:20:05 Yeah, stay right there. We're almost out of time. I want to give the number out and just take seven, eight calls, whatever serious questions for Kathy O'Brien. What a hero. Her book is so incredible. It was incredible. I read it. It's all been proven right. It's just prophecy basically. Ladies and gentlemen, Kathy O'Brien, your question or comment for her. The toll free number is 877-789-2539. We'll turn on the phone system. 877-789-2539, 877-789-Alex, and that's coming up. But let me get into this now, okay? So we know they raided the island in the Caribbean, Little St. John's. We know, and they covered it up. We know they raided his Newark operation.

1:20:50 For best of our knowledge, not the Paris operation, not the other airfield in Ohio or Florida, and not Zorro Ranch 10,000 acres, who the witnesses and victims said had underground bases under it. Well, we've looked at the schematics from Google and already seen the snorkels that in some cases are 1,000 yards out from the house, meaning there's a huge facility under there, okay? Cuz they got these snorkels that are getting air from the top, okay, folks? And so now we have experts looking at it, flying over it, you name it. And we now have this big politician running for government here, we'll get to after the break. And we have all this starting to come out. There's a politician that bought Zora Ranch. Well, that's fine. He says he's a Christian. He's returning to a Christian retreat. That's his new thing today because election's today. But we need to have a public tour. We need to have the Texas Rangers invited over there because it's a Texan that owns it to investigate this. Then we'll think you're a good guy. I'm not saying you guys are bad guys. We'll get to him in a moment.

1:21:52 The FBI raided Epstein's New York City townhouse. They raided his private island, but somehow they never touched his 10,000 acre Zorro Ranch in New Mexico, despite victim reports of abuse going on there back to 1996. Even after the 2008 conviction, the state of New Mexico kept leasing him public land like nothing happened. No search warrant, no raid, no questions asked. New Mexico just approved a full investigation with subpoena power. 30 years of looking the other way is finally over. And we've got some reports here by folks that have flown over it and investigated it. So here is one of those breakdowns we've got to break. Here it is. What I wanted to talk about first is so the Zorro Ranch features prominently in a lot of the Epstein lore. And I first learned about this in 2008.

1:22:45 And all the way back in 2008, there was a website that is long since gone now. And it actually changed several times, kind of rapid fire over the course of about three years to different domains and finally got torpedoed. But it was a very simple website. I can't remember the exact URL right now, but it was a very simple website and some of the stuff seemed so outlandish. And it was all just these, just a few paragraphs of text. Just kind of giving you prompts about just different research topics and a few pictures very simple, but it brought up some really

1:23:23 some big stuff like the role of blackmail in a lot of the stuff we were seeing back then. And this was at the point where the Iraq War, people were starting to realize that that was a sham and all that. So it was even pulling at threads there in the Iraq War, showing what was happening there. And it was just different articles about certain topics about elites, and explaining how, and really the term elite is one I'm not a big fan of. I think predator class is probably a better way to put that because these people are not elite. They are not above us in any capacity. But anyway, this website was the first place that I saw Jeffrey Epstein mentioned and all about his, the stuff that he was involved in or at that point rumored to be involved in and that this,

1:24:16 financier or guy, whatever, got arrested down in Florida and got this weird slap on the wrist prison sentence. This is all kind of unfolding in real time. They're posting articles about this. I'm like, holy crap. This is big. That's all true. This is from Interesting Books Review. Then we have the flyovers that were just done. That's the big news. Straight ahead, we'll come back with Kathy O'Brien on that. Dr. Lindsey, Master Stefu, Jeremy and others, 877-789-2539. Questions are Kathy O'Brien. Quick questions so she can answer them straight ahead. We appreciate everybody. Please stay with us. Be sure to get her book, Transformation of America, transtransformation.com, and her book on how to overcome trauma. You'll find it all at transtransformation.com. Stay with us. We'll be right back. We sell the best supplements.

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1:27:30 I know what I saw, I know what I was seeing in graphs and sales figures and things like that, but outside of me and my wife and people that worked for me at the time that were looking at all that, it's very difficult to prove anything. So is there any connection between that? Did that play a part in, because my shop never recovered from that. I mean, we fought hard to stay alive after that, but I didn't last more than about, almost a year after that, but I had to fight tooth and nail. And we had a lot of strange things happen with some of our bigger vendors, some of the bigger corporate vendors we were dealing with.

1:28:06 We had some bigger customers. All right, so this guy's a well-known journalist and book reviewer. He goes into an investigation, gets harassed. Here's the footage he shot of the snorkels, which Air Force experts have looked at, and I'm just telling you this is what they are, show those underground bases there. Let's go to that clip. Because this friend of mine that was looking at the placement of that mansion, he said, looks like it is built like something is underneath it. And I forget the way he worded it, but essentially the topography that he was looking at in his experience in the Air Force was such that that looked like an underground facility right under the mesa that the mansion was sitting on. So this time around, I was a little bit more alert and as I astral projected myself out to look over that and record that,

1:28:57 This time I noticed a whole series of vents on the south side of the mansion that look like industrial gratings for like air conditioning and heating vents and things like that on big industrial buildings, except this is a mansion. This just should ostensibly be a house. Pause, pause, back up 10 seconds. He's being sarcastic. He's got a drone over it. And you can see the giant vents. that you only have for an underground base. Continue. So I got some good footage of that and this time I was prepared just in case somebody came out to try to intercept us, but nobody did and the signage and everything had been changed. So it was no longer before it was like Zorro Ranch Drive right there on the road going in and now it's something else. All the signage had been changed, but I did find it interesting that the little ranch compound, all the support facilities for that ranch,

1:30:00 The same red truck that we had seen before that came out to talk to us was there so the support vehicles are the same there everything looks the same the only main thing that I saw was it looked like the weird almost like a helipad slash Maze or whatever was on the ground up on part of the Mesa that has all been Bulldozed or whatever that's all gone but My personal thought on that is after seeing the way we were treated in this of the high security and everything else the lottery winning and all that all the weird stuff around that I started coming to the conclusion that I thought the guy is very much alive And probably at just a different location or something. I totally agree We have two jail guards saying now and these are the obscene files that when they took out the fake dead body They say fake this is mainstream news now

1:30:56 that he was alive in a wheelchair, brought out and did a thumbs up and disappeared. So now we have Texas GOP politician running for comptroller, control Texas money. Don Huffins, it's been a big controversy that just came out the last few days that he owns Zorro Ranch. Well, now he says he's gonna make it a Christian retreat. So this is getting weirder and weirder. And he ran, of course, against the governor and others previously. So there you have that information. We even overhead shot of this as we showed it. Texas GOP politician, early voting starts today in Texas. So watching that, Kathy, sorry that took so long, but I wanted to get that out there. What do you make of that? Yeah, I'm glad it's out there. We've got a lot to be investigating and exposing. It really is up to us to do it.

1:31:46 I mean, I'm not saying this guy's guilty by association, but he's powerful. He's more of a liberal Republican. And if I was going to buy Zora Ranch, I would up front say to make it a church or whatever. Now that it's out that he owns it, it's very suspicious. Now he says it'd be a Christian facility. This needs to be investigated. What do you think? I definitely think it should be investigated. We need to be looking into things like that, especially if there's evidence of underground aspects to it. It's got to all be researched and found out. We need to be paying attention to everything these days and thinking clearly for ourselves, not relying on someone else to do it for us. Absolutely. This becomes a blur for me, but I remember like six months ago, I can pull it up.

1:32:38 Other people use Google Earth to show, Google Maps to show snorkels like a thousand yards out. Like there are, you know, what you see up front around bases for air ventilation all over the place. So, and a lot of underground bases out there. Were you ever taken an underground base? Did you ever hear about that? Absolutely, there's a lot of them that are underground. And then there's things like the underworld at Disney World where the DARPA level MKUltra mind control programming is. There's the underworld at Bohemian Grove where these perpetrators met. They seem to like to be underground.

1:33:24 Out of sight, I guess. Absolutely, there were a lot of auctions that I've talked about all these years and a lot of ways that they sold slaves. It's nothing new. Again, what we're seeing isn't new. What's new is we're seeing it. What's new is we're finding out. Let me ask you about this. I mean, I know you work. What's your view of Ted Gunnarsson? Man, it's not about we want to be vindicated, but wow, are we not vindicated.

1:34:05 Yeah. Ted was, um, he was so grandfatherly. It was just so sweet to me. He was always good to me and, um, he did the best he could. He was working in a agency that was so corrupt that I don't think he was aware of how corrupt it was. No, he said he didn't know until he got out how bad it was. Right, right. Well, even then, you know, he was relying on people. What was the school in California he got hired and investigated? They proved the tunnels. Remember all that? That's what he woke him up. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Ted Gunderson's an absolute hero. He's in my book, Access Denied for Reasons of National Security. What he did with the Franklin case, that paralleled the one, my case, my handler was at Boys Town, as a matter of fact, in Nebraska when Mark Phillips rescued my daughter and me. So, you know, there's a lot of parallels right there. So where are the main headquarters from your research of pedophilia back then? Pardon me? Where are the main epicenters back then of the pedophile networks?

1:35:08 The main epicenters were I think the worst of them all was Haiti. And I think the information on Haiti is still needing to come out that what what I saw there was was beyond atrocious. Madeline Albright was running the operations out of there through her OAS building in St. Thomas. Of course, the Virgin Islands were heavily involved and they were opening up the Epstein Island at that time and everything else. Hillary Clinton right there involved in it all, Bill Clinton involved, especially in the Haitian operations which are documented in my testimony for Congress, Transformation of America.

1:35:50 That's right, you've testified to that, I forget. Wow, I want to take some calls here, but folks, I have massive knowledge of this, just what's even public, and I'm telling you, this is all going on. And you read these emails, no one can deny it, it is hell on earth. I think what you said an hour ago, they're not getting away with this now. It's out, it's over. The question is, and they know that, I think the globalists know they're done. Yeah, they do. And I'm sure we're going to see more shootings and we need to realize we can all deal with exactly what's going on if we picked up a pen and paper and ride out the trauma, ride out the fear. It'll help us all to think clear through it. Exactly, I'm not a rocket scientist, but the guy that just killed his whole family in public said you better watch your mouth criticizing us or we'll get you a day before he kills his family.

1:36:48 Good chance that guy's a mind girl. Good chance. That's a message. Even Fox picked it up. Which normally doesn't pick up when we're being persecuted. We filed a counter suit against the Democrats. Nobody covered it. But oh, Fox covered that. I think that's kind of a message. You know, Jimmy Kimmel famously got up before they sued me and he said, Here's a message, you claim we're attacking the kids, we're gonna kill you if you don't shut up. It's a message from Hillary. And then he shoots a BB gun into a glass jar of pickles. And people said, what is that? I got it as a threat. They filed suit two days later. Yeah, that's the comment for them to use that they use that all the time. And I'm K ultra where they would say, well, they killed Marilyn Monroe, who was the first presidential model and K ultra slave. They killed Marilyn Monroe in the public eye. Imagine what we do to the likes of you.

1:37:36 Berg told me that all the time. It's the phrase they use. It's what they use hunting. If we'd shoot these people, then imagine what we'd do to the likes of you. When Dick Cheney shot his attorney in the face and it was on TV, then they were asking Bush Jr. about it. And he used that quote. He said, if he'll shoot his attorney in the face, imagine what he'll do to the likes of you. Yeah, by the way, Hillary goes on TV with a thing of pickles opens them and then they go and shoot pickles and say, we'll kill you. Alex Jones. I'm surprised the crew found us a quick, this doesn't even sound real. I just, it's like I say this stuff. It's all true. It doesn't even sound real. Let's start taking some phone calls. You're amazing. And by the way, next time you're in town, please come in studio. Let's take calls. The order they're received. Who's the oldest caller here? That'd be owl killer in Virginia. I'll kill her on the air. Go ahead. Well, Alex, like you,

1:38:34 I was completely shocked by that interview with Steve Bannon. And it wasn't just the Trilateral Commission explanation. It was also him explaining fractional reserve banking. And it brings us full circle. Epstein said in that interview, the world leaders have no idea about finance. You see in the email, he's telling Macron what to do. there nobody even talking about the evil the world leaders are retarded and then you got this day rockefeller guy literally running everything at the we now know he was is to go for he was in charge yet and people are on the other side that jeffrey i'm seen at the rockefeller death was the president states the world he county hood barack in the in recorded conversation what to do how to get in touch with peter keele and what to do with talent here now but i agree i agree with you but but

1:39:28 This is questions for our guests, so ask your question. We gotta go. Okay, my question is did we make a catastrophic error in thinking that Trump can do this on his own? I know the man's heart is right, but we put so much faith into a man that only acting as a tyrant could he bring the system to yield? Yeah, sure. Let's move on from that. It doesn't matter. We can spend, the left wants to spend all our time on Trump not being perfect. They're the ones openly doing it. I say, hey, Trump's not perfect. Like Kathy said, we gotta do it ourselves. I don't even have that debate. Go ahead, Kathy. Absolutely, it's up to us. I keep saying that government can't fix it for us, government's doing it to us. This is our time. Power's been returned to the people. President Trump told us he was returning the power to the people. They just don't much know what that means. Look at our Constitution, it says, we the people, we're the ones. It's up to us. Absolutely, we're going to take more calls here.

1:40:29 Let's go to Andrew in Orlando, Florida. Andrew in Orlando, Florida. You're on the air. Stop covering for Israel, Alex. You know what we're talking about. Now throw your little tantrum and get mad and cut me off. Go ahead. Stop shilling. It's really old. What's really old is we expose Israel all day long. That's completely retarded. It makes you feel powerful to claim that we're covering for Israel. We're here with Kathy O'Brien, a real victim of this, exposing it. I mean, Epstein obviously did a lot of stuff for Israel. He took over for

1:41:04 Maxwell's dad that was a Mossad agent. We've covered all this. I appreciate your call, but it's just retarded. I mean, it's just weird. It's like you think, oh, I talk about Israel, it does something, I'm better than you. I've been doing this 30 plus years. I don't know what you're even talking about. Totally retarded. What do you want to say to that caller? I think it's really important for us all to judge information for ourselves and not count on one person to tell us all the truth anyway. It's up to us to research everything. Exactly, what is that? I mean, I've got you on doing all this. I cover Israel every day. And they just think like, oh, like I'm in the Epstein file. Yeah, the DOJ stuck me in there. There's 50 emails attacking me. But they put that there to hurt me. And now these fake right wingers are saying, oh, Alex is in and he's bad. No, it's Epstein saying I've got to be stopped. But they don't care. It's like,

1:41:52 They're like Pharisees, they want to say you're not good. It's like if Alex Jones, the guy doing this for 30 years, if we can say we're better than him, we feel powerful. I don't care about that, but it's just weird. It's weird. I mean, Henry Smith's probably doing three hours on Israel today. Israel's completely out of control. I mean, I'd cover it constantly, but I'd have to prove myself to you. It's sick. People snap judge and they just make silly assumptions, you know, it's like what President Trump did to wake up the people I love him forever for It doesn't mean I agree with every single thing going on in Washington DC. Exactly. It's a good thing, but let's just bring this up Yeah, he called it holier-than-thou. Did you ever run into in a Mossad Israel stuff when you were in the CIM kildra program?

1:42:35 Well, yeah, there was some there too because everybody's involved. This is a globalist agenda. And they all have to be involved. You mentioned exactly, any real spies in all of it, exactly. Right, right, right. Right, and Jesuits, you know, I mean it's vast. It's everywhere. You know, it's infiltrated everything. If there is even a clean organization, it's infiltrated. So, you know, we got to start examining things on their own merits. What the Kohler wants is the hatred of Jews. He doesn't like the pedophiles being exposed. He doesn't like it being about the devil and God. the people in Christ, he wants me, he's like, why are you attacking Jews? I'm attacking Satanists. But you see the mental illness, like we're covering pure evil here and he's gotta bring this up to make him, it's satanic. People have been dumbed down to that point where they're just, they snap judge based without all the facts and without looking at the exam. And he was welcome to bring up Israel. I'm saying, so what Israel connections did you see? Let's get that out. With mine? Yes.

1:43:39 There's just various perpetrators involved in that aspect and the Massad aspect, but there's just everybody was involved. There isn't anybody that wasn't. Let's get that straight. Symptonism is the operating system worldwide like the Bible says. And see he's mad because he says no, only Jews do it and that's what he was mad about. No, we're exposing the whole thing brother. You're not gonna stop us. Let's go to Let's go to Master Stefou in California. Go ahead, Mr. Stefou. Hello, Alex. Welcome. Sir, I want to congratulate you and her, Ms. O'Brien. You are both way out in front of everybody else, including with what just happened here on the phone with this other guy. Are you there? Yeah, brother. You're on air worldwide right now.

1:44:36 Alright buddy, my goodness. One thing I want to say first, I hope you give me like a minute at least. Sir, I don't do this screen calls on air. You're doing this thing, can I say this? You're on air bro, you're on, hold on. You got one minute, you got one minute, you're on air right now. So much respect, alright. She 100% authentic. I read people for a living, that's what I normally do. And I read you almost every day and you're both so authentic and everybody else is such a liar. Let me just start there. Right? And all this other stuff that's going on, all the connections that have been put together over the past couple weeks, we all see it. And this shit is over. I could just leave it at that. No, I agree. I don't see how the globalists get out of this.

1:45:25 I totally, I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just saying callers calling like, can I say this, can I say that? You called in brother, you're on the air. Anything else you want to say? Vampires. They're fucking vampires. Sorry about the language. No, I hear you. I appreciate your call. You know, you have the legends of vampires. Obviously they don't live forever, but it's the same spirit. How would you describe these satanists as vampires, Cathy O'Brien? Well, they literally drink blood, so I guess we can call it that. They adrenalize blood, so- And you've witnessed blood drinking? Anything we want to. We can call them Satanists, we can call them aliens. All I say is they are not like us, and they do not like us. And you've seen blood drinking? Absolutely. It's all over the emails. Let's go ahead and go to Will in New Hampshire. Will in New Hampshire, on the air with Kathy O'Brien. Go ahead.

1:46:22 Alex, so nice to talk to you. How are you? I'm alright, brother. Go ahead. Alright, Kathy, I'm just so grateful to get to talk to you. I went to this school in New Jersey, survival school back in 1998, and this lady had the tape and said there's all this government, you know, like what you're going through, and she's like, you have to watch this. And I watched it. And I've been telling everybody ever since. It made so much sense to me. It helped me wake up. I just, to be able to talk to you is really, is a dream come true for me. Well, you're on air, brother. Thank you. Go ahead and ask your questions. She's a real hero. I appreciate that.

1:47:01 I just I saw you on a podcast with Michael Jaco and I was at the school, the Tracker School, and he was teaching there and I remember telling him about you and I don't think he'd ever heard about it. And he was like, that sounds really interesting. And then I was watching his podcast about, you know, three or four months ago when I saw you on there and I was like, oh my, I couldn't believe it. It was just, it's like it had come full circle. So, you know, I've been doing my best to try to spread the word and, you know, I called members of Congress today talking about our problems that we're facing. And just what can we do? Is there anything politically or any sort of committee or anybody we can try to get some traction in Washington or in government? I would just go to school boards and talk about drag queen story time. I'd run for office. Exactly. Yes. Why? Actually, I did run for office. Local action. Go ahead, Kathy. Hold on, sir. But Kathy, answer your question. Thanks for the call, Will.

1:47:55 Yeah, local action has national impact. So, you know, everybody needs to get out in their own communities and talk to each other eye to eye. Heart to heart. Explain that. The enemy's operating everywhere. Yeah, make a difference right in your own backyard. Don't wait on government to fix this for us. It's up to us. It really is up to us. Let's go to John in Connecticut. John, you're on the air with Kathy O'Brien. MKL wrote CIA Satan survivor. Go ahead. Good afternoon, Ms. Kathy. I hope you're doing well. So my question is, because we're in a spiritual warfare, do you think that all the laws and the policies that suppress the spreading of the gospel and sharing our faith as believers to include the cover-up of pedophiles and amongst other things, do you think this is a direct attack against God and Christianity?

1:48:48 It's a direct attack against our humanity, the essence of our being, the spiritual aspect of who we are because it's our saving grace, it's our strength. So my latest book, Align With The Divine, is about going within and finding that connection within so nothing can attack when we remember who we are and why we're here. I agree, but the Satanists say we want to hurt God by hurting each other when we hurt God. Do you agree with that? Absolutely, that's we've got to protect our children. John, it's up to us. Any other thing? Yes. And thank you for that, Kathy. I appreciate it. I just I remember just being sucked into politics and doing things through the lens of politics. But then once I realized that these policies that are being passed and everything else is really

1:49:39 attack on God ultimately and an attack on our faith as Christians or freedom to spread the gospel to share the gospel and because it's a spiritual war it's a war against good and evil. I just wanted to say that. David Joe Rogan has become a real Christian. I told him that like three years ago, and believe me, we probably talked. He's like, God, it's all true. How do you know? I said, it's good and evil, Joe. Don't misjudge, you know, the church when you're a kid in Boston and, you know, buy into that. You've got to know that those are the priests getting between you and God. Kathy, you've been on this for two hours. You're so gracious. If you got to go, I totally respect and understand trans-transformation.com. I have Matt Bracken with Hugh's National Security News coming up, but he'll be cool if we go another 10 minutes. Can you go another 10 minutes? Do you have a few more calls? I'll need to leave pretty quick. I'm totally interested. I've got to... Can you do five more or are you going to leave right now?