EXCLUSIVE EPSTEIN BOMBSHELL REVELATIONS: The DOJ Raid On The NYC Headquarters Of The FBI Retrieved Over 14 TB Of Secret Epstein Investigation Material That Identified Hundreds Of New Child Victims

00:00 This was an unforced error with the binder thing and dancing and doing TikTok videos and putting influencers out there that they didn't need to do that. They could have come in and said, I know we promised you the FC files on day one. That is not logistically capable now that we've gotten into the office and we understand what we're dealing with. What we're gonna do is we're gonna protect the victims in accordance with federal law. We're going to push forward for the appropriate indictments. We're gonna continue. We're gonna set up a specific task force. I would have taken them and taken them offline and put them in like Omaha, Nebraska or gotten them out of Washington DC. That's not what they did. they could have. They could have said out there, but what they should have done is said, we're gonna get away from all this. We're going to focus in on it. It is a high priority, but we're not gonna give anything just yet. But it's not because we don't want to. It's because we are unable to for various reasons and we understand the scope of the problem. We know what we promised you is not doable. We're gonna come up up front and just tell you that. Instead, they said, I got the FC files on my desk. And then they made this illusion like, it's at the Southern District of New York. When I listened to that as someone who used to work for the FBI,

00:51 The Southern District of New York works for Pam Bondi, whether we agree with that or not, it does. They actually answered to the AG and saying that it's at the New York field office. These things are actually kept on computers. As I just said, I got a friend who is nowhere near, 2,000 miles away from Washington DC, and he accidentally had access to these files. We were told we were gonna get the Epstein-Binders day one. We were gonna all see all the information and it didn't come out. So we're kind of in this like now we need verification. I just listen to what people say and then I go and see if folks can actually validate that. I've got friends that are working at headquarters. I got a couple of them at this point. They're our friends of mine. It turns out when you become an FBI whistleblower, less and less people talk to you. They just don't want to get involved. But a few of them that are not scared, that are courageous and said they'd be happy to both lose their job and shut this agency down if it had to be done.

01:34 They've gone out and proactively told me, he's like, look, we've broken servers. We've had so many people accessing them to do this work. We've been working through the weekend. You just showed me this. Yeah, no, I'm literally showing you the people that we're talking about here. They've reached out to me and said, yeah, we have all hands on deck. I meant to go do something because he was going to go meet one of my friends, wasn't able to do so. And he's like, look, dude, I got stuff going on. I can't because we have all hands on deck meetings talking about Epstein files. We are doing the redactions. We are doing the things that were said. And then completely independent of that, I got another buddy who's much further to the west of Washington DC, and I'll just leave it nebulously at that, who reached out and said, I was looking for a printer. I was on my network, and they must be so actively trying to steel box this up. Because when you start having too many people touch the exact same files on government computers, we had a joke, Alex. When you were working on FBI computer systems, we would always say that the motto of FBI

02:24 is More victims than Bondi even said. I mean, this is like just massive. Yeah, I think the answer, I think the information will continue to roll out as they can. But at the end of the day, they're shocked by how, when you say terabytes, they're saying it's massive. Yeah, like 14 terabytes is like, that's, so it's not a couple hundred pages like they gave Bondi.

03:01 Correct, no, that was always gonna be nonsense. So it appears from this information that you actually showed me the information on your phone This is real there. It's very aggressive like she says I think there's no reason not that to think that I mean look It's it's one guy sitting in headquarters and one guy sitting outside in the field. That's two sources Is that enough for me to say? Yes, there's a massive operation probably not but I would say it leans that way It makes me believe that the things that we're seeing well I mean it means they got files like she has things to work and they're going over it. Absolutely. Yeah, how many terabytes? I don't know, 14, 15, something like that. I mean, that's a lot. That's a lot of files. The government fears Alex Jones, who has the largest audience in the country, bigger than any of the networks, the biggest megaphone in the country. The deep state hates Alex Jones with a vengeance. Alex Jones is the most extraordinary person I've ever met. Alex Jones. Yeah. So we were after him. You are? Which is what?

04:00 took his money away, chop his legs off. Take Alex Jones' platform that he talks about away. I ask that you make certain he can't rebuild. Is there going to be a large set of plaintiffs who are going to be dividing up the corpse of Infowars in the bankruptcy estate? And over the course of that process, that could get very, very dangerous for Mr. Jones. Where is Alex Jones when that happens? He's in the studio, getting ready to pounce. or would you stop it? take Alex Jones' platform that he talks about away. I ask that you make certain he can't rebuild the platform. That's what matters. That is punishment. That is deterrence. There's going to be a large set of plaintiffs who are going to be dividing up the corpse of Infowars and the bankruptcy estate. And over the course of that process, that could get very, very dangerous for Mr. Jones. But we will be at it as long as it takes.

05:15 And if you're out there right now and you're one of Alex Jones' audience members, and you're considering giving him money, I just want you to know that based on the jury's verdict today, it's not a very good bet. I hope that we never see someone like him again. I hope that with your verdict he can go away. But the money is not even really the question for me. The question is, Will this suit be successful at stopping him from being on the national stage? So you were the top lawyer providing advice to the FBI in Connecticut? In-house, yes sir. When's the first time you watched a video of Mr. Helbig on Mr. Jones' show? I would be guessing, sir, I would say approximately like 2016.

05:58 Where were you when you saw that? I was sitting in my office on the second floor at FBI New Haven. You didn't file suit at that point in 2016? No, at that point I couldn't get anybody to help me. You were looking? I was, by then I was pretty certain by 2016 I had contacted the Agents Association. I had been looking for people. I had been asking the U.S. Attorney's Office to help me. I had been asking the FBI New Haven to help me. So yes, I was looking for help. How many times did Jones call you? He didn't call me, sir. Did you ever see this photograph 289 on InfoWars? I didn't know, sir. Do you know whether he ever talked about you on InfoWars? I don't. I don't know. Yeah, so we were after him. You are? Which is what? Took his money away. Alright!

06:54 I've never met Kyle Serafin in person, interviewed him a few times, he's been on a lot of our guests. He lives here in Austin, great guy. He is one of the whistleblowers of whistleblowers. Did so much, put his career on the line, now former FBI agent. I don't even know if he wants Trump to try to bring him back, he's been promoting a lot of whistleblowers in leadership positions. But the first thing he exposed was the Virginia transgender rapes in bathrooms, literally Obama behind the scenes involved. manipulating memos came out to cover that up and then the DEI and then he exposed a bunch of other stuff as well. And so I want to recap that but I was saying hey you know so much I want to get your take on the new Signal, Huthi Strike, Leak fiasco

07:40 And I want to get what else he goes well one of my associates on you didn't see off records. Tell me tell me shut up. I'm not supposed to say this. You're good. I'm good. One of his people currently in the FBI has now gotten into the Epstein files that they've been trying to hide. So so Pam Bondi does have a task force 24 hours a day, it is their main task. Hundreds of additional child victims found, as she said on Fox. We're getting it confirmed from a credible FBI source, whistleblower, from his current sources. This is huge. And he's got so much more here today. Kyle Serafin, Air Force veteran, FBI veteran. Now he does a podcast, The Info War, the Kyle Serafin Show, dot locals dot com, Kyle Serafin on X, Kyle Serafin Show dot com, rumble dot com, Kyle Serafin. And so we've got him into the next hour. So much to hit, but because he came here to get into this FBI document or group of

08:41 just cover sheets basically, that says a lot when you're a layperson. We went and researched it and called some of our sources. But this came out like five weeks ago. He just learned about it in the last few weeks and was blown away. He went and did a deep dive on it. He knows the codes on it. He knows what it really means. And boy, now this is even crazier. So we did a four-year, about a year and a half ago, of the Biden administration for any files on Alex Jones. We've done it before, never get a response back. Then it's marked two days into Trump's administration, 60 days ago. They mail it to us, it takes about a week to get to us. And you can see right here, Federal Bureau of Investigation out of Virginia. And it was Chase that did the request. I said they never responded to me, maybe you could do it as a journalist. So Chase, Brennan Geiser, and then we get this disk in the mail. So it shows Trump obviously is in there ordering just massive releases, stuff they've been holding up.

09:38 as he promised, transparency. And here's the actual disk and the paper that it came in. And then here are the documents. We already published these online back when we got these, again, about five weeks ago. Now, we can put these HD on screen and have Kyle go over it, but here's our headline from him on Sunday night with Chase. And this level three person set up in 2013, now it makes sense why they sent Jeffrey Goldberg to say, I'm here from Obama, I'm not here to interview you, we want to know who you work for. And I'm like, it's me. Then when they all sued me, the Justice Department behind it, that's all come out. Now we have new documents we haven't released yet because it's so incredible we're getting more.

10:24 They keep saying, who do you work for? Who do you work for? They have the Justice Department come into bankruptcy and have me read the US code where if I say anything wrong, they're going to prosecute me. And they had the court order four investigations with $3.5 million of the money coming in here. We had to pay for it outside accounting firms. And they had PI firms out of Dubai that work for MI6 try to infiltrate, try to pay off crew members. Literally tell us he rapes women. Tell us he has gold hidden. Tell us what drugs he's on. They're like, are you insane? So then we set up cameras, had them infiltrated. We went to the FBI about that last year. The Austin FBI, we went in and told them. So just like when the FBI came, it was actually the CIA through a law firm, but it was an FBI operation.

11:08 The first year of Trump's administration offered me $3 million from the Internet Research Group, that's the Russians. It wasn't them, and I went to my lawyers, we went to another FBI office and filed that and said, we know it's another office. So I'm always scratching the surface, I'm gonna shut up now. But imagine how much resources, this is what I know about, have been spent trying to find something that I'm doing wrong. And I've said it, in the past I've drank too much, and I've speed sometimes my car. That's it, okay? I mean, I'm a workaholic. But I did have a good time sitting in my backyard, in the pool, throwing the football to my kids. So I'm blessed that I'm not some kind of gangster, but they treated me like Lex Luthor, though I now have the haircut. So to go over this, all of them are trying to shut up. Kyle, give me the floor. Then we'll get into the really big Epstein breaking news with you. Thank you so much for being here. It's my pleasure. You know what's interesting when you look at this stuff too?

11:59 Look at how much they actually gave you in excuses versus what they gave you in production. You got two cover sheets that are mostly redacted. That's pretty much what you got. And then you've got this. And this is all the excuses on why they're not going to give you what you want. We're gonna just give you paragraph after paragraph of excuses and explanations, and these are the exemptions. And everything you do when you're dealing with the FBI, especially in the FOIA process, is a way to get to the word no. They are looking for a way to say no to you. Well, I always found that really interesting. I actually got into some FOIA as well. So I did a FOIA suit where we were trying to get access to to something really simple. We wanted a presentation that was done in an unclassified setting that was done in the Hoover building. I had a person that was in that meeting and they were doing a lampooning for a full hour of congressional investigations into the FBI by the, I think it was the 118th Congress. Are we on the 119th now? Is that right? Okay. So this was in November of 2023.

12:55 And we couldn't get it. They showed us a video of them setting up the podium and they showed us the slide that said, do you have any questions, comments or sarcastic remarks at the end? That's it. You don't get anything that you're looking for. So when we're looking at this stuff here, and we're specifically looking at what Chase got, let's just dig into it for a second. Cuz it says a couple of fun things. Thing number one, it's unclassified. There's no real reason for them to hide it from you. But we've We've got a type three assessment. There are about six or seven different types of assessment. That's the lowest level of investigation that the FBI does. Assessments are before you get into what are called preliminary investigations, and then you have full investigations. The presence of an assessment does not mean that there is no full investigation. It just means it can keep open for a long time. And this one in particular is an 801 I like India.

13:38 which I had a buddy look up because I didn't use those. It's a human intel product, which means they were actually investigating, looking either for sources or they were looking for human information sources. Human is the slang term for intelligence coming in human format. It also says BS on here, which tells us the field office it's originating out of, which is Boston. Now you guys don't operate out of Boston as far as I know. No, we don't. But it sounds like Austin. So maybe they thought that was a good idea. Boston, yeah. It is in the northeast, which is kind of interesting. And you've got the Boston office up there. And guys, if you can scroll through, I know you showed the cover sheet, just as he talks, you have them scroll through, please. We're looking at a

14:16 a case that they don't even use this type of this classification anymore. They don't use this sort of terminology, but white racially motivated extremist is really interesting. Today they call those radically motivated violent extremists, RMVEs. So they've actually added the term violence into it and I'd be shocked if they hadn't actually updated this into something newer. This is 2019 as things progress, the FBI is constantly naming things in new ways, using new acronyms. And by the way, that RMVE acronym was the same thing that they refer to traditional Latin Catholic mass goers. They use that same exact term. It's the slang term for white supremacy. But it goes to a broader problem here because theoretically, anybody would look at what you guys do and call you journalists, would they not?

14:53 Is that a reasonable thing? It's the same problem we had with Project Veritas. You showed sound investigations. I know the people that were involved in that. I don't actually agree with the findings on there. That guy was a pretty low level person that you were interviewing. But when you talk about going after journalists as an FBI, you said it really clearly. They spent a bunch of money. They had opportunity cost. Somebody spent their time, their government paycheck, and the hours that they were allotted to work on behalf of the federal government to look for what? Wrongdoing by Alex Jones? In the same way, I found out they were doing the same thing in New Mexico. They were looking into what they called radical, what do they call them? Anti-abortion violent extremists.

15:29 Because there were two abortion clinics in New Mexico and Texas had a heartbeat law. And so rather than look for, I don't know, cartel members coming across the border in New Mexico, rather than looking into things like, do we have terrorists sneaking across the border because they're able to be trafficked and weapons and other things? No, we're gonna look into a pill mill that gives morning after pills, and that's where we sent FBI agents in the national security sphere. So So, there's an opportunity cost for how many hours in the day that they're gonna spend. And are they gonna investigate you and other journalists? And are they gonna do it the right way? They're supposed to call you a SIM, by the way. There's a book that actually tells you how to investigate. It's called the Domestic Investigation Operations Guide. That's the handbook for how to be an FBI agent. It tells you how to open cases.

16:10 And one of the things is if somebody is an academic, if they're a religious figure, if they're a politician, if they're someone of high note, if they're a podcaster, a blogger, a social media influencer, or a member of the media, they're supposed to be called a sensitive investigative matter, which means they give you additional protections. That means that things are supposed to be reviewed by higher levels like attorneys, so they don't infringe on the First Amendment. And I don't see that marked in here, which is kind of interesting, why they decided they could get away without doing that. Well, look, I mean, you first expose this exact same type of designation as white supremacist crap with families that didn't want

16:46 the cover up of one particular young man posing as a woman raping girls in a bathroom. And then parents come and raise their voice. And then now here comes the FBI, find something on these families. And they tried to say, oh, it came from the school board. But now we know it was memos from the Democrats all the way down in the Biden administration. It's actually even more insidious than that, because the thing that I actually disclosed was that the attorney general seemed to have lied in front of Congress, which is a very concrete allegation. The issue is that there is a reason that the FBI might investigate a parent who's at a school board meeting and causing a problem if they are making threats over the Internet, if they're doing it online. There's a way that you can have that happen. It's called interstate threats. There's a statute for it. It's kind of low level stuff and it's probably not worth the FBI's time.

17:27 What the Attorney General said, this is Merrick Garland going back a little ways now. We're talking about an attorney general who stepped up and said, we will not be using Patriot Act tools. We will not be using counterterrorism tools to go after parents at school board meetings. And then the assistant director of counterterrorism generated a threat tag to be able to tag the intelligence on these cases. And that's the real issue. If you're doing a criminal investigation, we actually are not gonna have a lot of danger in that. Because there's gonna be a process, it's linear and they end. They go in and they look for evidence, they look for the actual crime, there has to be a crime there in the first place. And then once it's over, you're like, okay, fine, straight line, either we're gonna prosecute, we're gonna decline to prosecute, they'll settle, maybe they'll plea, maybe we'll convict them, maybe they'll be acquitted, the end.

18:05 Well, we're talking about our intelligence cases. And that's what this thing came out of. This came out of an intelligence squad that did intelligence work, which is information for its own sake. They're not looking for a crime. There's no allegation that there's wrongdoing in here. There's no way to say, under the US code, this is a racially motivated violent extremist group. Because it doesn't exist. It's not defined under US code. You can define domestic terrorism. You can define international terrorism. You can't define what an extremist is because that's like- And that's just like disinformation. Oh, you two men can have a baby. You're disinformation. Oh, you don't like your daughter getting raped. You're disinformation. You're an extremist. And so expand, I mean, we just saw in Colorado, the legislature say anything we say is offensive can't be displayed here.

18:47 And so it says 2A shall not be infringed on the state rep's laptop. And so they say you can't display that. We say it's offensive. But so I was watching you on Chase, talk about this. And it's the fact that you know how to read the codes on here and learn more about what it is. And there's so many other documents, it means hundreds of them attached to this. And so this is started by Obama ongoing. We were not even sure it could still be ongoing. It's probably not even the only operation. Speak to that and knowing what you know, I mean, clearly what were they hoping to get here? Because we've also had all these other attempts at infiltration, Southern Poverty Law Center,

19:26 and with my shirt off and nobody's here, so much I work, sometimes I sleep here, and I don't do that anymore folks. The point is, I mean, that's what they still published it. But isn't it interesting it's Southern Poverty Law Center, those are the exact same people that generated the Intel product that said that Catholics who go to Latin mass are the problem? I mean, that's really, it's the same group. They said you're terrorists. They've straight up been discredited by the intelligence sphere. They said, look, these people are, their Intel operation, they are pushing forward an agenda, they are partisan and we can't look at them. They're not a non-biased source of information. So if you are gonna use them in an intelligence product, which it's not smiled upon, you'd have to find a balancing source. And their balancing source was the Atlantic.

20:17 Their balancing source was going out and saying that rosary beads are now like the new tool of white supremacy and oppression. The same Atlantic that says pedophilia is not a problem. The same ones that just said that the Trump administration gave me their war plans. So it's very interesting that the same players always tend to pop up in this space. That for me is big. kind of an indication. You mentioned the numbers. It's actually cut off on my copy over here, but it showed that it was serial number, I think 195 or 196, which means- You can show the HD document. Yeah, just pull up the HD. Go ahead. You've got 190 other serials in there. And what that means, so people understand, is that this thing has been going on for a long time, that there's about 200- There's the serial. By the time we're talking about 2019. Yep.

20:53 So 195 means there's 194 documents that come before it. And a serial is literally, it's what comes in series after it. And they could be any numbers of types of documents you do. There could be interviews, there could be source debriefs that are gonna be like a placeholder in here. But this was a human intelligence case, which means they were looking for human sources to report on something specifically white, radically or racially motivated violence violent extremist types somehow associated with end of wars and that your name came up when they did this well That's what the bar. That's what the guy that was the New York Times wrote an article sure and then there was another employee And this all happened in the last 10 years through, but it started about 10 years ago. And the crew is a troublemaker, so they wouldn't really tell me about it till later. They would come into the break room or they'd be driving to do a story, but we have more reporters, they'd say, I know Alex says he doesn't hate black people, but man, I hate these N words. And they'd be like, whoa, we're gonna get you fired, you can't talk like that.

21:46 And they were always trying to get, so now it makes sense. And now we know they were hooked up with these people. the Yeah, they cultivate, they groom these people along. They do it through a network of either what are called sources, right? Those are what they call CHS, that's confidential human source. And then they try to introduce someone that's called a UCE, that's gonna be an online undercover employee. Then you have the actual undercover employees. They're trying to get someone along. And essentially, if you find somebody that's on the Internet that's communicating with you, and they share all of your dumbest ideas, including anything that's violent, and they're able to help you

22:46 do that dumb idea for the exact amount of money that's in your bank account, cuz they happen to be able to look into that as well. You're dealing with someone that is probably setting you up in this federal operation. Now, Trevor Aronson calls it the terror factory. He used to write for the Intercept. He's no right wing guy. And he was looking at them and his belief was that they were going after black and brown people. And then you see what's gone on for January Sixers and people in the Patriot movements and this has gone on. They were beta testing it after 9-11. And it went on before that. I mean, it really did. They tried this earlier. They just didn't have the internet. It happened with the Black Panther party and, and, and, and, and hell up. They could walk this back into the parliament. They were going to remodel the king. Yeah, exactly right. So you can send this back all the way to the origins of the FBI. There is a small contingent of the FBI that is looking to make work to the point where in my last couple of weeks while I was actually at the bureau, I had a boss that said, Hey man, I need you to go drive out into this County. It's a 300 plus

23:33 square miles. There are 3,000 people that live there, almost all of them live in this one little place. I want you to go to the border checkpoints, I want you to drive around and look for some business. The business that we did is we went and found spies and terrorists, it was a national security squad. So I don't know where you go in rural New Mexico to find spies and terrorists, it just doesn't really exist. And I went out there and I said, well, Border Patrol guys, what do you got? He's like, well, we got a cartel case, would you like that? I said, yeah, let me go ask about it. It's like, well, we could try to spin that and make it national security. At that time, it wasn't gonna take on. But why are we looking for business when there's unlimited amounts of child sex trafficking that goes on? There's unlimited amounts of gangs that are going out and moving drugs and people and- But the Atlantic says it doesn't exist. That's right, of course. I mean, literally.

24:14 And they just happen to be huge Jeffrey Epstein alumni and Jeff Goldberg just so happens to be an Israeli agent basically, but everything's all right. Everything's fine, yeah. And the problem is we gotta go after people that are journalists, we gotta go people that are gonna disrupt any of our narrative. And look, at the end of the day, I don't have to agree with everything that you say, it turns out. And you don't have to agree with everything I say, but you have a right to say it in this country. And you have a right for your government not to be investigating you without probable- Also, most of the time they misrepresent what they claim I've said or Trump has said. I listened, I sat in a meeting, this is actually in New Mexico as well. So I worked last in the Las Cruces resident agency, it was underneath the Albuquerque field office. And we were hearing somebody that they wanted to investigate. I was listening to, I was sitting on the intel squad, I'm sitting on the human or on the national security squad. And so we had a dedicated intel person, intelligence analyst. And she's sitting there and she's making fun of a guy that they're thinking about opening an investigation into. And they said, look,

25:06 Here's his website, and it redirects to InfoWars. He listens to Alex Jones, and that was used as derogatory information. And they were having this yuck up fest, her and this other guy that's working there. So there's a cadre of people-. A bunch of wokuses, that's the thing. That's exactly it. And they were also the same ones that made sure we watched every single minute of Kadenji Jaxxie Brown's confirmation hearing. We had to have that on the television. They were really upset that Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted. So these are ideological actors and this is what the FBI is right now. This is why having Cash Patel in there, having a Dan Bongino in there, that's like the coin toss in the big game. It's like landing on the beach and the landing craft opening and people stepping into the water. We haven't taken the territory back. Exactly, it's just a beachhead. That's right.

28:26 Alex Jones dot network is tomorrow's news today. All right, Kyle Serafin is the top FBI whistleblower that exposed so much. It would take two hours to get into that. But famously, the first thing was targeting mainline conservative Catholics and other parents that were protesting literal transgender rapes in girls' bathrooms in Virginia. And they came in to try to intimidate him. and threatened him. But right away when Biden got in and then later in June of 2021, they put out the National Security Directive, we've shown it many times, saying the main threat is domestic extremism and white supremacy. Then they define white supremacy as being as, you know,

29:12 Left of Ronald Reagan. I mean it's it's it's wild and you witness this well. He likes Alex Jones Let's investigate him. I mean just just like I'm just a sticker you put on something as Satan, and then there's the whole issue of a National Security investigation dragnet ongoing going back to 2013 ordered by Obama And who knows what's even still going on and then we do a four-year They don't release it Trump gets and they release a little bit of it. I mean this is a window of into all of this and as you were saying, Kash Patel came out and said, he didn't say abolish the FBI, he said abolish the big DC office of intelligence and make it a museum of how not to be tyrannical. And that's the point, I thought it's the CIA, they're not supposed to operate domestically but having the FBI do this open-ended intelligence stuff is just an excuse for political persecution, I think is what you were getting at. So in my own selfish interest, but it's also like I said, a window into this,

30:05 We know a lot of what was going on, but knowing from the document coding, clearly they were trying to find something. What is my recourse? Sounds like a conspiracy against my rights, a decade, 12, 13 year program going on to me. What does this mean? Well, you gotta understand what the FBI is and what it isn't. I broke this down with Chase a little bit, but anytime I get a chance to tell an audience that is listening and votes in America, I want them to know this. The FBI is basically two animals and it's drilled into one. When I was working there and I was working in counterintelligence, I said it was sort of like a hammer with a screwdriver that's welded on the end of it. So it's a really crappy hammer. It doesn't get close to things. It's awkward.

30:40 awkwardly weighted. And then it also has this screwdriver, which is like the intelligence tool. And it's not really meant to do that because it's heavy and it's got that hammer on the under end where you're trying to screw stuff in. And intelligence is a very different animal. As you said, CIA is not supposed to operate domestically and yet they do. Of course they do. They operate under this thing called National Resource Group. So National Resource is a thing where they go and they recruit, let's say, Americans who might be of high prominence. And they're going to travel overseas. They're going to go out and do things that would be interesting to the CIA's mission. Here's where it gets kind of interesting. And I don't want to step into conspiracy realm because it's not conspiracy.

31:27 at the farm to become a CIA case officer while still being an FBI agent. You can do that and operate domestically. You learn how the CIA runs case, all their assets. You learn how they do recruitment. You learn how they run people as human sources. You really become a double agent in a lot of cases. And you come back into the FBI with that skill set, with that knowledge. You put the badge and the gun back on after three to five years of running them domestically in Atlanta, or you can do it in San Francisco. Los Angeles, there's a couple other cities where you can go do this. You come back into the FBI and then you run human squads. And interestingly enough, 801I, that's a human squad that opened that sort of case in Boston, that assessment. And you meant human intelligence. That's right. So there you got people that basically are analysts that are looking for human intelligence. And you have agents that are supposed to be theoretically trained specifically to recruit sources, but not to generate cases. They're meant to generate information. So bottom line, it's an espionage case against me.

32:21 Espionage is the wrong word. Spying would be kind of broad. What I would say is they're gathering information. They're doing intelligence work and intelligence work is specifically information for its own sake. So if you'll give me just one kind of like linear thing, we talked about criminal, that's a crime happens. We go find the evidence, we go to prosecution, that's the end of it. We just put you in jail or we don't. But then you've got Intel cases, and those are circles, and they just spin off more circles. They're like a whirlpool full of vortexes, and they just can spin off more and more cases. So what they'll do is they'll open it up. Let's say they open it up on Infowars. They open it up on a journalistic outfit. And they say, yeah, these people are, they're white supremacists, and we need to monitor them. We need to find out who they're talking to. We need to find out who those people are talking to. And we're just gonna keep looking until we find the thing that we want. And then maybe we find something that has nothing to do with it.

33:04 The worst case example of this when I was working in Washington DC is that we had a guy who had an active intelligence investigation under counterterrorism for like 23 years. And then they found that he was doing child pornography trading on his computer after a decade and a half. Now nobody wants anybody to be trading in child pornography. But we also don't want her to go. Maybe they planted it like Sheryl Atkinson says. Which is something that I would have never said could have happened until after I got out and you start looking and you go, I don't trust these people. They investigated me because I followed the law. I had them try to plant child porn on us, the Democrats. The FBI actually out of Connecticut though released a memo and said no you're the victim you never opened it. But they ran with it in the media that I had child porn. Of course, and this is the thing like we've gotten to a point where we are so deep in the weeds where we cannot trust the institutions that exist. That's the legacy of 2020-2021 where we just, they weaponized government.

33:51 Part of weaponization is using government against you. The other piece of it is saying like these things used to be something that had some honorable people of some repute and they tarnished all those folks, which is why I see people that are cheering on a new FBI with a new head. Look, the entire FBI employee pool of 38,000 people are still in place. And some of them are good people and some of my friends are working on trying to redact Estine files or trying to get that forward. I know you wanna get there. And some of them are just cheering on the status quo and they'll do whatever they're told. And some people are actively working against it and those people gotta go. I forgot this when we got this five weeks ago, I thought because I was researching it and I guess you with more knowledge of it pointed this out.

34:28 They need a source like the Atlantic or New York Times claiming something to then use as an excuse to open it. The ADL weeks before this investigation falsely put out a report about me saying I called for killing Mexicans on the border. I actually had my lawyer send a letter, they actually took that out because I never said go kill people at the border. But that's probably what they used to start that. Allegation or information that there was a crime. So you're using interstate means to communicate, so there you have it. And then you start looking, are those interstate threats against somebody? Can we at least investigate it? At the very lowest, you could open an assessment into it, so sure. Yeah, you just need an allegation and then you said the source. The source could be just a person, by the way. It could be someone who calls up the tip line in West Virginia, anonymously says, hey, I got this real problem. That's how they opened a ton of January 6 cases.

35:16 I know for a fact, I've got buddies who are in, let's say the American North. I don't wanna get too more specific than that. And they're working on cases that they threw out because it was bad predication. They were told, do you know who the sedition hunters were? Remember those? And most of them seem to be foreign and they seem to be funded by the DOJ. They're getting paid as sources. They were actually predicating January 6th cases off off human source allegations from the sedition hunters. And the FBI agents were getting these files and they were being told, do not predicate it based on the source. Do not reference the source, go to what they have posted online, look at that, and then you can decide whether or not you're gonna open a case. And the sort of wink wink nudge nudge was, you will open a case. And those very groups were always pointing me and Ellen and everybody out. Of course, yeah, no, they weren't going and highlighting anybody they didn't like and they did it for political gain.

36:05 When I was working in the bureau, I was working for the Washington field office and I was on a surveillance team. We were sitting outside of a house of a person of interest. I'm dancing around words, but that's the most accurate thing. A person of interest, somebody who seemed to be tied to the pipe bomber case. And all we wanted to do was go into a knock and talk. That's where you just knock on the door and I say, hey, I'm with the FBI. It sounds like you got yourself into trouble. Would you like to talk to me? By the way, if anybody ever has that knock, if you're listening to Infowars and you get that ABCD, those are the words you need to remember, always be closing the door. You don't need to talk to the FBI. I wouldn't recommend it. I wouldn't talk to the FBI today. I voluntarily made very, very small numbers of contacts since I've been out. And I do it on a recorded line every single time. And then they end up on like the Sean Ryan show or they end up in the public because I am going to protect myself.

36:47 But I also knew who I'm talking to on the other end. There's no reason to talk to the bureau. But if they did come and do that knock and talk, that's what we wanted to go do. This is right after January 6th. This is January 2021. And instead what they did is said, you know what? Don't do surveillance on this guy. Don't do the thing that you and your team have spent many hours cultivating. And we have tens of thousands of dollars of technology deployed into the field to go do. Why don't you come back, sit at your desk, And why don't you look through anonymous complaints from Americans who are alleging that their neighbor is an a-hole and like Ronald Reagan, and therefore he probably was that January 6th, and we don't really like him. And that's what they had us do. We were going through hundreds of them. And it goes to the point that we were talking about earlier. There are things in this country that are protected by the First Amendment. It turns out your political speech online should be, and unless you are making a clear and direct threat,

37:32 There's no reason for the FBI to be coming and listening to you because there are bigger problems. No, totally. Let's go back to what you just said before we went to break. And I agree with you. We are on the beach. We haven't even gotten the beachhead. Trump got driven off the beach four years ago. And you notice they're trying to sap their energy, having them all testify in Congress right now. And my job is not being an apologist. When I see something Trump even begins to do, I don't like, I'll go right after it. Like him saying, yeah, maybe we'll join the British Commonwealth. No, you won't. But, but, For people that just think that they can wave a magic wand, they have no idea. So the FBI protects the FBI. Historically, it has done this. Basically, every time since Hoover, it has always sort of tried to bubble wrap and isolate the FBI director. That person is a figurehead and that person goes out and provides vision. And this is where we're gonna go with it. And this is what it's all about. And then you have a person called the deputy director. And the deputy director is a long term, long time, almost always FBI agent.

36:47 But I also knew who I'm talking to on the other end. There's no reason to talk to the bureau. But if they did come and do that knock and talk, that's what we wanted to go do. This is right after January 6th. This is January 2021. And instead what they did is said, you know what? Don't do surveillance on this guy. Don't do the thing that you and your team have spent many hours cultivating. And we have tens of thousands of dollars of technology deployed into the field to go do. Why don't you come back, sit at your desk, And why don't you look through anonymous complaints from Americans who are alleging that their neighbor is an a-hole and like Ronald Reagan, and therefore he probably was that January 6th, and we don't really like him. And that's what they had us do. We were going through hundreds of them. And it goes to the point that we were talking about earlier. There are things in this country that are protected by the First Amendment. It turns out your political speech online should be, and unless you are making a clear and direct threat,

37:32 There's no reason for the FBI to be coming and listening to you because there are bigger problems. No, totally. Let's go back to what you just said before we went to break. And I agree with you. We are on the beach. We haven't even gotten the beachhead. Trump got driven off the beach four years ago. And you notice they're trying to sap their energy, having them all testify in Congress right now. And my job is not being an apologist. When I see something Trump even begins to do, I don't like, I'll go right after it. Like him saying, yeah, maybe we'll join the British Commonwealth. No, you won't. But, but, For people that just think that they can wave a magic wand, they have no idea. So the FBI protects the FBI. Historically, it has done this. Basically, every time since Hoover, it has always sort of tried to bubble wrap and isolate the FBI director. That person is a figurehead and that person goes out and provides vision. And this is where we're gonna go with it. And this is what it's all about. And then you have a person called the deputy director. And the deputy director is a long term, long time, almost always FBI agent.

38:28 We've had our first example that I can be aware of where that isn't the case as Dan Bongino. And so what happens is someone who's promoted up through the ranks, usually they got four or five or maybe six years worth of working cases, which is the business of the FBI. Then they move into management, they spend a decade and change in that culture. Post 9-11, that culture is pretty disgusting. And it's actually very heavy to the intel side, heavy to that we can learn about it because we have tools to do so even if it's not criminal predicates. Even if it's not investigations that are ever gonna hold up to court scrutiny, because we just look for information for its own sake. Then you've got those people and they come in and they protect the rest of the FBI. from the director. So the director, even Chris Wray, if he had good ideas, which I don't think he did, but let's say he did have good ideas and he wasn't part of this sort of uniparty establishment. He still would have been isolated. And the first couple weeks that Kash Patel was there, I know for a fact that happened because I have friends who have been moved into the Hoover building right now, who are part of the counter insurgency, which is what we're talking about. In the same way, Beachhead, you've got to go and take ground back that has been conquered by somebody else. And the bureaucracy has been building these fortresses. It was just like the New York

39:31 FBI head that they had resigned that was hiding the Epstein files. He was in email saying we're in a war. Don't do it. You're the resistance. And I'm like, how was he not instantly fired? Then when he wouldn't give over the Epstein files, they made him resign. But I mean- No, he retired with all of his benefits. Incredible arrogance. Yeah, that's the thing. And so what did he say? He said, dig in. I used an E tool when I was in Marine training. And so I'm saying that here, dig in and fight back and that you should defend it. And then- That saying trumps the enemy. Listen to what it says more broadly. They were very upset about something very narrow. What was asked for were certain types of people that were involved in prosecuting cases regarding January 6th. That's something Donald Trump ran on and he was elected on that basis. You keep seeing the political left run this interference right now saying, I can't believe that Donald Trump was able to turn what happened on 9-11. I mean, on January 6th, they've made those one in the same in my mind.

40:21 And so they're trying to turn that around. They're trying to make this thing still play. It reminds me of the, what is it? The mean girls where she says you want them, you keep trying to make that happen. They're trying to do something that can't be done. So let me ask you this. They honed in on something, but check this out, Alex. Who did the people who wanted to protect these FBI agents hire? Did they go hire some nonpartisan law firm? Did they go find some people that was a former United States attorney that has like a really sterling reputation and cut down the middle from some sort of like middle of the road state? No, they went and got Norm Eisen and Mark Zaid. They went and got the most partisan leftist people. They hired Koskoff and Koskoff that for the Democrats ran the fake trials against me. They hired Chris Maddy, the former federal prosecutor, especially he's putting Republicans in jail.

41:19 What we call the self-licking ice cream cone, if nobody's ever heard that, you've been around the beltway. The self-licking ice cream cone only exists because it has a tongue and it's ice cream and it doesn't need the actual purpose of the mission. The FBI is self-serving and it has been for quite a long time. And the number one sin, the number one crime in the FBI is actually not committing a crime, it turns out. The number one crime in the FBI is embarrassing the FBI. That's one of the reasons why I don't work there. I did that thing. I said, no, I'm not going to go get a COVID swab every 72 hours. You're out of your damn minds. I've got a top secret clearance and I've been a paramedic for like a decade. I'm not going to put something up my nose to tell you that I'm a Christian. That's not going to happen. Which we now know is sold to the Chinese. Well, not only that, but that stuff was ethylene oxide, which is a known carcinogen by the state of California, as far left as you can get. They were worried about this stuff.

42:01 As someone who's done literally hundreds, if not thousands of nasal swabs, I used to work at North Austin Medical Center. Before I went into the FBI, I did nasal swabs for the flu, and you do it once a year maybe. You want me to do that every 72 hours? You've lost it. I'm not gonna do it. And by the way, the only people they asked to do that were Christians. Christians who had pro-life objections. It's all harassment to purge you just like the shots and transgender crowd out who the people that we're gonna say no were That's the big thing and they tried to purge those people so it doesn't matter. That's what this this s means by the way It's the people that identify that said no I'm not gonna say yes to what you want to do like I don't work for you. I work under the Constitution. What's the S stand for? suspendables, all the people that knew that they would get suspended from their job, would do the right thing, whether the cost was losing their job or not. Yeah, it's a litmus test. So- So- So- The white martyrdom is what it is. We got a lot more to get into in the Epstein stuff with your source that no, indeed, they do have a task force that is 24 hours a day. Your associate, just when you know it's still inside, know it's in the Epstein file. So this is being broadened. They did get all this stuff three weeks ago, as she promised. They did basically rate it and get it. So that is huge news. I want to get to when we start the next hour in about 12 minutes or 10 minutes.

43:05 Just big picture, how do you think Trump's doing? What do you recommend should be done with the FBI? What are your concerns? I mean, I'm seeing these Tesla things escalate, the left basically encouraging it. My issue is, why do we have to get the deep state on their criminal activity and all the stuff behind the scenes going after Trump for stuff when we've got so many of the bureaucracies and people with with billions and billions of dollars. Stacey Abrams, 2 billion out of the EPA money, 375 billion, 20 billion. The last month Biden sends to bank accounts with no record and they admit, oh, just to hide it. I mean, that all right there, they got Al Capone for income tax evasion instead of all the murders because that was easier. And I know you

43:52 Cash Patel and all of them are really smart. They've got to know to expand the beachhead and stop this tyranny. We do need indictments quickly, and I hope they're looking at the easiest ways to get people because there's so much theft. There's so much people's family, you know, so much COVID fraud. The documents we haven't released yet are these law firms and the so-called NGOs and these other groups getting federal DOJ money, millions of it, during the suit, right before the show trials, and it's COVID money. And then I look at it, we're having lawyers look at it, doesn't look like it's legal. Kind of like Cori Bush's husband just got indicted. So, and we haven't put the documents out where I'm telling people how the first time here we have that, we have so much more. Yeah, I got to see that a little bit. Chase sent me some of that. So I know what you're talking about. And yeah, it looks, look, at the end of the day, the state pays itself, the government feeds the government and the entities that have the interest of the government. So the biggest thing is, and you asked, how do you do this?

44:49 You have to expand that beachhead presence. You have to be able to take back institutions. So you're not gonna see indictments. At the end of the day, do you really, like you do, you care probably. But most people don't need to see the entire Epstein files. They don't need to see them. It's not relevant to them. What they would like to see are indictments. They'd like to see arrests. They'd like to see prosecution. They'd like to see jail sentences handed out to people that do evil things. And if you saw that, whether or not you saw the entirety of discovery before it went to court, you don't need that. You just don't if you're an American person. What you wanna know is that your institution is working in a way that is not ideologically based, but it's based on the Constitution not protecting its own institution, particularly the FBI. And that's why there's such arrogance in the bureaucracy. Yeah, they think that they have a right to it. They do. They work for the FBI.

45:34 It's not for you. Let me tell you this, Alex. This is factually accurate. Between September 3rd and September 7th of 2020, Donald Trump was president at that time. The FBI changed its public facing website to deescalate the priorities and the core values of rigid and rigorous obedience to the Constitution of the United States. It went from being number one, which it was when I signed up, to being number seven or eight. And it was behind things like respect and compassion, right? It they change diversity, which is all nebulous. Yeah, well, no, these are all leftist values. They're feelings. They're like fake compassion. Well, some saying we're good so we can it's a moral argument. That's exactly we can persecute you. So I mean, exactly. And that goes back to saying white supremacy is the new main mission, which real white supremacist violence is very rare. And it's not good. But then they mislabel everything as white supremacy.

46:23 being against lockdowns, being against forced shots, being a conservative Catholic. I mean, this is outrageous scandal. So you're saying you don't think we'll see a bunch of indictments. I think that we won't see them for a little while. I think that my buddies that are working on this said that there's something needs to be done. And now look, there's a big difference between burning off a couple of DVDs and bring it over to United States Attorney's Office and saying, here's what the discovery is. Here's the case we'd like to move forward. This is the individual, okay, we started from this predicated investigation. We opened either a subs file or its own investigation on this individual and they did fill in the blank things. They were involved in human trafficking. They were part of a conspiracy, blah, blah, blah. And then you give it to them. You can give the United States attorney the whole thing, cuz you're gonna give the defense the whole thing in theory. As long as there's no sources or method that have to be productive that are part of national security, they're getting a big file with DVDs or multiple DVDs.

47:08 But you can't just release that to the American people. You can't do that because there are victims that have to be protected and there are actually laws that fall in, which we want there. So at the end of the day, I don't think you're gonna see a huge dump, but they do exist. I had a buddy who was looking at his computer, he was trying to find another printer. And he's not in an office that's related to anything in Washington, DC. And he called me up and he goes, hey man, I was looking in, I was trying to find a printer. I was looking at the shared drive and suddenly I saw there was a new drive, the P drive, P like Papa. And I opened it up and there's like 16 or 14 terabytes full of files that are named after Jesse Estridge. Hold on, let's keep this till next hour because I tweeted this on X. It's going to go mega viral what you told me off air. So there's such a task force that FBI agent you know is literally in the stuff they don't want out because it's getting distributed so much. When Pam Bondi says our main focus is

46:23 being against lockdowns, being against forced shots, being a conservative Catholic. I mean, this is outrageous scandal. So you're saying you don't think we'll see a bunch of indictments. I think that we won't see them for a little while. I think that my buddies that are working on this said that there's something needs to be done. And now look, there's a big difference between burning off a couple of DVDs and bring it over to United States Attorney's Office and saying, here's what the discovery is. Here's the case we'd like to move forward. This is the individual, okay, we started from this predicated investigation. We opened either a subs file or its own investigation on this individual and they did fill in the blank things. They were involved in human trafficking. They were part of a conspiracy, blah, blah, blah. And then you give it to them. You can give the United States attorney the whole thing, cuz you're gonna give the defense the whole thing in theory. As long as there's no sources or method that have to be productive that are part of national security, they're getting a big file with DVDs or multiple DVDs.

47:08 But you can't just release that to the American people. You can't do that because there are victims that have to be protected and there are actually laws that fall in, which we want there. So at the end of the day, I don't think you're gonna see a huge dump, but they do exist. I had a buddy who was looking at his computer, he was trying to find another printer. And he's not in an office that's related to anything in Washington, DC. And he called me up and he goes, hey man, I was looking in, I was trying to find a printer. I was looking at the shared drive and suddenly I saw there was a new drive, the P drive, P like Papa. And I opened it up and there's like 16 or 14 terabytes full of files that are named after Jesse Estridge. Hold on, let's keep this till next hour because I tweeted this on X. It's going to go mega viral what you told me off air. So there's such a task force that FBI agent you know is literally in the stuff they don't want out because it's getting distributed so much. When Pam Bondi says our main focus is

47:55 is this right now and you're saying your guys are like, no, this is going on. I know at least two guys that are geographically disconnected, one at headquarters, one not, that are dealing with this stuff, yes. And one was like, he just accidentally got access to it. He went, oh, that's cool. I guess they're doing what they said. So that was confirmation part one. A guy who doesn't know him, but I know him independently, reached out and said, we've crashed servers because we are putting so many people into the server to start looking for victim names and redacting the things that need to be done. We are actively- Stop right there. I know you're like, trust me. You're a very credible whistleblower. You expose so much of what you're saying and you're just like, oh yeah, it's no big deal. Yeah, there's a bunch of people on it. I...

48:31 I'm 51 and I knew a lot when I was younger compared to young people, but I was a dumbass, okay? When I was younger, I thought, do this, do that. Well, once you actually run something, and this is nothing compared to what Pam Bondi or Cash- I mean, this is like zero compared. Folks, I mean, and I'm not, again, people are so pissed at Trump administration that there's not all these arrests. We're not in Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia. This is due process folks and and the left's been trying to get rid of that You know, I saw the US Attorney out of New Jersey, you know, really chew people out on the news the other day She said listen, we're not the left that just goes and makes stuff up But she goes we got a bunch of bad stuff and now we got to process it

49:12 I don't think the public realizes what you've got to do. Okay, we have hundreds of child victims they've said they've now discovered on. So now they've got to go investigate that. Yeah, there's law that protects those victims and the way that they're disclosed. Let's be really, really fair and honest in both ways. I'll be charitable, but I'm not going to be overly fair to people that don't need it. This was an unforced error with the binder thing and dancing and doing TikTok videos and putting influencers out there that they didn't need to do that. They could have come in and said, I know we promised you the Epstein files on day one. That is not logistically capable now that we've gotten into the office and we understand what we're dealing with. What we're gonna do is we're gonna protect the victims in accordance with federal law. We're going to push forward for the appropriate indictments. We're gonna continue. We're gonna set up a specific task force. I would have taken them and taken them offline and put them in Omaha, Nebraska or gotten them out of Washington, DC. That's not what they did.

49:55 they could have. They could have said out there, but what they should have done is said, we're gonna get away from all this. We're going to focus in on it. It is a high priority, but we're not gonna give anything just yet. But it's not because we don't want to. It's because we are unable to for various reasons and we understand the scope of the problem. We know what we promised you is not doable. We're gonna come up up front and just tell you that. Instead, they said, I got the FC files on my desk. And then they made this illusion like, it's at the Southern District of New York. When I listened to that as someone who used to work for the FBI, The Southern District of New York works for Pam Bondi, whether we agree with that or not, like it does. Like they actually answered to the AG and saying that it's at the New York field office. These things are actually kept on computers. As I just said, I got a friend who is nowhere near 2000 miles away from Washington DC and he accidentally had access to these files because they opened up. But the good news is a lot of them are there. A lot of the really bad stuff we know that never got put in it. Working on it with people who are working literally around the clock to the point where they actually crashed their own servers, which is why I think my buddy actually. Stay there. I want you to recap all this. Take your time. We start the next hour. This is big news.

50:48 So you just said is but we got to go to break, but just separately. I know what's going on. They're up there doing all this stuff. They're told here is all there is then when she realizes cuz You know other sources the FBI we've had on We're telling her literally that morning around the show saying it by the evening She puts a cover sheet on and says I got scammed we're gonna get it all but they still put it out so so the point is It's very transparent. Now they went and got it. Now people are processing it. I mean, that's good because this is what's going on. They got a lot of stuff going on, folks. And again, we're going to go to break. We're going to come back. We're going to get into this in detail. I want you to repeat all that, more detail, every little detail. This is so important. What your two sources were telling you. This is amazing. Kyle Serafin is our guest. Please remember.

53:34 But some stations don't carry this first five, but everything we still cover in the five is really important. It's just usually off the other topic. We'll go back into the huge Epstein thing, confirm mass investigation, new files they were hiding, task force, all of it's confirmed from his sources right now. But Trump, this just came out minutes ago, President Trump signs a presidential memorandum requiring the immediate declassification of all FBI files relating to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation. We'll play this clip and then call for those that might have been hiding under a rock what crossfire hurricane was. You talk about treason, a made up national security thing trying to demonize and overthrow the electorate's choice. Trump in his first administration coming in when he was the candidate, when he was the president elect, and then once he was president, absolute slow motion

54:21 Here's the club of the president. Next year, we have a presidential memorandum for your attention. This memorandum requires the immediate declassification of all FBI files relating to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation. This was obviously one of the instances of the weaponization of law enforcement powers of prosecution against you and others. We believe that it's long past time for the American people to have a full and complete understanding of what exactly is in those files. Which gives the media the right to go in and go and check it. You probably won't bother because you're not gonna like what you see But this was total weaponization. It's a disgrace should never happen in this country But now you'll be able to see for yourselves all declassified. Is that correct? Yes, sir. All declassified? Yes, sir. Everything? The FBI file with a there's a classified annex but other than that this will put everything in the public eye

55:19 Is anybody going to look? What about you, are you gonna look? And frankly, the FBI should be ashamed of themselves, and so should the Department of Justice, and so should Biden. So for folks that don't know about Crossfire Hurricane, tell them, Kyle. Yeah, Crossfire Hurricane was an intelligence investigation that was spawned outside. It was actually out of headquarters as far as I understand it, and they were looking into the presidential campaign. They wanted to go after a guy who was looking at being president. This is where it gets kind of really interesting too for me. Because one of the things that the Obama administration did on the way out, so essentially what they did is they went out and they cultivated sources. They were looking to a guy named Carter Page. And then they ended up jumping using different FISA techniques, some of which include lying to the FISA court, which is a specific court of judges that rotates in Washington DC. It's known as the FISC.

56:12 foreign intelligence surveillance court. And those people are supposed to do what are called ex parte hearings, where they represent the interests of the public. In other words, the FBI comes in and says, here's all the information we have. This is the exculpatory information, which means that it makes them, this actually cuts in favor of the people we wanna investigate. Here's what we think they've done that's wrongdoing, and here's why we need to get this information. And we need you to give us some very broad powers to go and investigate. They went after Carter Page, even though at the time, as I recall, he was like an active CIA source as well. He was reporting to the CIA. So that's pretty crazy. That wasn't disclosed. So they kind of cherry picked around, got some information, falsely presented it. And it was all ideologically based as far as we can tell. And a couple people lost their jobs, guys like Peter Strzok, people like Lisa Page.

56:53 They ended up getting paid out $1 million each, by the way, or pretty darn near it. One of them got more and one got a little less. And then you got Andy McCabe, who was the FBI deputy director and the acting director at one point in time when I was working there. He was my first boss in the Washington Field Office of all people. So I walked into this sort of like, this crossfire hurricane is a crap storm of just stuff blowing at you. A giant FBI Democrat deep state attack on the candidate Trump. That's a way to say it. That's not wrong either. It's really not. I mean, that's exactly what went on. And what it showed was weaponization means that you're using a government agency that actually has an apolitical purpose in theory, even if it's never been used that way. And you are going to use it for your own ends. In the case of the FBI, you had Director Comey who was there. Actually, I got a funny picture here. You wanna see it? Should we show the people? He's like 90 feet tall. Let's do that. There you go. That's a seven foot tall middle finger to the American people.

57:40 That's when I got my credit. God, we gotta zoom out. He's so tall. I was a baby nine feet tall. He's about almost seven feet tall. Yeah, I think he's like six foot nine six. I mean my god, he's a big guy. I'm not a human. I look like Oompa Loompa. Yeah, no, it's ridiculous. My wife is about five feet tall. So when you line us all up, seriously, it looks like a middle finger. Russian dolls. Wow. We'll be right back. All right, folks, things are moving so fast. Incredible FBI whistleblower, Kyle Seraphins here. During the breaks he's showing me talking to folks at the DC main headquarters. with the Epstein files that they've finally all gotten, that they're all been on this constantly, even guys that aren't on it, it's just everywhere. They're not even, it's all just in the FBI. They're not hiding it and siloing it anymore. And it's just massive amounts of new victims. I'm like reading this stuff right now from the FBI. And when Bondi said yesterday, oh, there's hundreds more, and they're just like, can't even deal with it, there's so many. This thing just blew wide open. And you've got the US,

58:38 attorney out of, former Trump lawyer out of New Jersey said, oh, we got a ton of stuff. It's really bad. We got a bunch of victims and a bunch of witnesses and we're going to go out and interview them all and it's huge. We're going to do it right, but don't worry, the bad guys are going to prison. Okay, so so we're not Joe Stalin where you just order whoever he wants into the gulag or you know hung or shot Okay, we're not the left. They keep this they get martial law going and burn up the cities and we getting a real slug out here It's gonna go that way and it'll be very hard to turn that off Once that goes so I post turning from the left and the right this is playing with fire here so everybody that wants immediate action and all this stuff is

59:17 That's why the left should give up because you're never getting back in power the way this is going. All you can do is claw us into your political grave with you. I mean, even Bill Maher says the Democratic Party's game over, folks. So, so Kyle Serafin. I want you to slow down here and you can read off that if you can or whatever you want, but recap and then add all of it to it because this is big. You've got multiple FBI sources, one that just sees it everywhere, not even hidden now, not even as an investigation. Other, you know, assigned to this, we have the articles in the news, all hands on deck, 24 hours a day, you know, double shifts, main priority Epstein files that they had to get two and a half weeks ago by sending in people from DC into New York. Then they make the head guy resign

59:59 The one that said dig in and battle Trump. So everything we've been told is tracking. Yeah, James Dennehy. I was looking up his name earlier cuz I was trying to find him. Also incidentally, James Dennehy, who was kind of resisting against this, was supposedly the whistleblower that went to Cory Booker to try to say that Cash Patel was doing things he wasn't allowed to do legally. So there was a resistance there. This is a problem. I won't say much more about that, but I know a little bit more about it. And I feel pretty comfortable saying that out loud. So we'll say allegedly that's what happened. End of the day, You hear stuff from the Trump administration right now, there's two things that are happening. We're seeing actions, we're seeing executive orders where people are making statements, they're going out, he's signing the document and saying this is what's gonna happen next. But then you've also got this other piece where you go, yeah, but is it really going on? We were told we were gonna get the Epstein binders day one, we were gonna all see all the information and it didn't come out. So we're kind of in this like now we need verification.

1:00:49 I just listen to what people say and then I go and see if folks can actually validate that. I've got friends that are working at headquarters. I got a couple of them at this point. They're our friends of mine. It turns out when you become an FBI whistleblower, less and less people talk to you. They just don't want to get involved. But a few of them that are not scared, that are courageous and said they'd be happy to both lose their job and shut this agency down if it had to be done. They've gone out and proactively told me, he's like, look, we've broken servers. We've had so many people accessing them to do this work. We've been working through the- You just showed me this. Yeah, no, I'm literally showing you the people that we're talking about here. They've reached out to me and said, yeah, we have all hands on deck. I meant to go do something because he was gonna go meet one of my friends, wasn't able to do so. And he's like, look, dude, I got stuff going on. I can't because we have all hands on deck meetings talking about Epstein files. We are doing the redactions. We are doing the things that were said. And then completely independent of that,

1:01:37 I got another buddy who's much further to the west of Washington DC, and I'll just leave it nebulously at that. He reached out and said, I was looking for a printer. I was on my network. And they must be so actively trying to steel box this up. Because when you start having too many people touch the exact same files on government computers, we had a joke, Alex. When you were working on FBI computer systems, we would always say that the motto of FBI AT is yesterday's technology tomorrow. They're just crap. They're just the worst computers you could ever have. And so apparently they crashed them all. And my guess is, is they started moving to more and more stable servers and accidentally opened up the permissions to people, including another buddy who had nothing to do with it. And he was like, Oh yeah, I just saw there were like 14 terabytes of Epstein file. You were showing me they're saying.

1:02:17 More victims than Bondi even said. I mean, this is like just massive. Yeah, I think the answer, I think the information will continue to roll out as they can. But at the end of the day, they're shocked by how, when you say terabytes, they're saying it's massive. Yeah, like 14 terabytes is like, that's, that's. So it's not a couple hundred pages like they gave Bondi. Correct. No, that was always gonna be nonsense. Look here's here's let me go. But somebody said she said there's recordings. It's it This is we know that we saw them walk out with boxes I mean, I saw the same drone footage that everyone else did you know? This is audio. This is bad one would think but listen Are they gonna do redaction of all those things? Maybe most likely you won't see videos most likely you can't publish child porn. Nope. You can't

1:02:57 So you're gonna be kind of in this spot where it's the same thing as with national security stuff. When they do a national security investigation and they have evidence, they can't reveal it. And you can't reveal things that are child pornography. You could try-. By the way, I always use that word, it's like a lessening of it. Child abuse, child torture videos. Call it porn like it's porn. No, it's raping children. Yeah, no, indeed. In fact, they actually have all kinds of different acronyms for it. And they're all much more nasty when you actually spell them out. Child sexual abuse materials, things like this. I think it's CSAM is the acronym they're using right now. They used to call the entire unit that did the investigations, violent crimes against children, which is a really good way for describing what we're talking about. How do FBI agents deal with looking at this? I couldn't- My roommate at the academy when I was working at Quantico, going through there, was the most even keeled guy you've ever met in your life. Good Catholic father.

1:03:48 Very, very mellow, didn't react to much, worked there for eight years doing that as an analyst. I asked him the same question. Apparently they get regular mental health checks, just like doing anything else that's really ugly that you have to be a part of it because it's a necessary evil. You're seeing the nastiest thing in America. And so they would take them in, they would do regular screenings. They have an opportunity to opt out, it's voluntary only. Alex, the only people that are going there are doing it by volunteer basis. They agree to be part of this because they know they're getting in to go after real evil. And what's funny is, There's not very many people who want to volunteer to be part of that. There's not very many people that signed up that said, I want to go protect kids. And the people that I know that are really passionate about it and they can't get that job, they end up leaving the FBI and going and doing it like in a private party sphere. I have a couple friends that did that as well. I was about to say because I've, you know, in investigations and things and a lot of stuff's going on and just even

1:04:37 And Hunter Biden's laptop, once we started seeing stuff, I told the crew, I said, it's up to you if you wanna look, I'm not looking at this. And then we had a crew that was been sent horrible stuff that you had to quit cuz they saw this stuff. I mean, it is just, I mean, I don't know how people can look at the stuff that I've seen in some of the FBI files that have come out in cases of snuff films and stuff. Like even-. It's the same as investigating like a war crime. You're investigating something that's like the truly worst part of human nature. So you gotta be able to flip it off. I remember 20 years ago, just one UN, NATO, DynCorp thing where they were selling the snuff films in LA on VHS even though it was decades later that's how they do it. And it was describing like a whole bunch of men raping two toddler boys and when they're done they blow their heads off. And I mean, and he just goes from there and it's in the file just reading a report. I couldn't imagine watching that. No, and the terrible thing is if someone has to watch it, then they have to document it. They have to do timestamps. They have to do screen grabs. They're typing this stuff up. Like it's a truly

1:05:35 awful thing and people should pray for the folks that actually die. Yeah, because I've seen like people in a car wreck, heads cut off and you pull right over the person's blood spraying out. I have not. There used to be a whole thing called Faces of Death. You remember Faces of Death? Oh, yeah, but I remember when I was like 10 and my older buddy's brother was watching and I still hated that movie. Yeah, they're all fake. I mean, real executions and stuff and I still, exactly what I'm just saying is I've seen a few people die, I've seen some bad car wrecks, smashed kids, and I still occasionally have a nightmare about it. I couldn't just, I'm tough, but I mean, kids getting hurt. But I couldn't imagine when I read just in reports, I mean, watching them torture little babies to death and blow their heads off. What's crazy is that although that's pretty small part of what the FBI does, and it could be, you could basically spend 100% of the FBI's resources on that all day long. I've had numerous people tell me that you could do unlimited amounts of work on that violation alone. But hold on, Atlantic Monthly said that's not happening. I can show you the- I know, right?

1:06:27 The crazy thing is that local cops see this stuff every day. I used to ride an ambulance. I used to see a little bit of it. I'd see it come into the ER on occasion, and you'd get a little taste of some of the ugly, evil crap that exists in this world. And the fact of the matter is our local police officers see this almost every single day. They see kids being abused. They see them being victimized. They see parents. They see a boyfriend who doesn't have any connection to the baby and throws an 18-month-old down the stairs. And then just leaves them and takes the mom to the hospital cuz the mom got tuned up as well. And there's a baby. I've been part of transport teams where they had to go breach a door to go get an infant smaller than 18 months old, who had been left alone after being thrown down the stairs. And I basically rode in an ambulance with a baby in my arms.

1:07:08 that was all beat to hell. And you just wanna see the worst thing happen to the people that did it. So being able to do that for years, it takes a special kind of person. We do have special kinds of people. When you see these kind of notices about the good men and women of the FBI, there's a small number of people that volunteer to do that, and a smaller and smaller number from what I'm told. I keep getting told, it's not a priority they wanna have. So I have friends that worked at violation is what we call it. And they told me they get less and less volunteers every single year, but it's incredibly important. And as you said, Well, this Atlantic Monthly article just says it's a right-wing fable. There's no kids getting trafficked. What's crazy is that there actually are right-wing fables or left-wing fables, which is that white supremacy is the biggest danger. I used to watch guys who were considered to be white supremacists. I would have been the kind of guy who would have been tasked to do surveillance on, let's say, an InfoWars as a topic. And the craziest piece that I used to see

1:06:27 The crazy thing is that local cops see this stuff every day. I used to ride an ambulance. I used to see a little bit of it. I'd see it come into the ER on occasion, and you'd get a little taste of some of the ugly, evil crap that exists in this world. And the fact of the matter is our local police officers see this almost every single day. They see kids being abused. They see them being victimized. They see parents. They see a boyfriend who doesn't have any connection to the baby and throws an 18-month-old down the stairs. And then just leaves them and takes the mom to the hospital cuz the mom got tuned up as well. And there's a baby. I've been part of transport teams where they had to go breach a door to go get an infant smaller than 18 months old, who had been left alone after being thrown down the stairs. And I basically rode in an ambulance with a baby in my arms.

1:07:08 that was all beat to hell. And you just wanna see the worst thing happen to the people that did it. So being able to do that for years, it takes a special kind of person. We do have special kinds of people. When you see these kind of notices about the good men and women of the FBI, there's a small number of people that volunteer to do that, and a smaller and smaller number from what I'm told. I keep getting told, it's not a priority they wanna have. So I have friends that worked at violation is what we call it. And they told me they get less and less volunteers every single year, but it's incredibly important. And as you said, Well, this Atlantic Monthly article just says it's a right-wing fable. There's no kids getting trafficked. What's crazy is that there actually are right-wing fables or left-wing fables, which is that white supremacy is the biggest danger. I used to watch guys who were considered to be white supremacists. I would have been the kind of guy who would have been tasked to do surveillance on, let's say, an InfoWars as a topic. And the craziest piece that I used to see

1:07:56 was that it was basically 20 something year old guys who were probably in college or maybe they were working a job. And they were wearing boat shoes and they'd have khaki pants on and a polo shirt. And they were on Reddit and they were being racist or something. They were making racist memes. It's just not the threat that people act like it is. Those guys aren't gonna blow up a synagogue. No, they're not. And you know what, we would go out and we did undercover operations where we were the surveillance team watching these guys. And you'd go out there and you'd say, hey man, we saw what you said online. So you've got some undercover that says we really wanna help you do this bad idea that you came up with, that terror factor. They wanna go out there and they wanna get you involved in the plot. And the guy would be like, nah man, I think I'm gonna go home and get a job. I think I'm gonna go and hold hands with some girl. I think I'm gonna quit and I'm not gonna actually do the thing I said. Because it was just online and it wasn't real. A lot of this stuff is fabricated and it's fake.

1:08:39 And so the FBI gets incentivized to actually investigate it. This is maybe the biggest thing that that cash Patel can do right away. They need to get rid of something called IPM. It's called integrated program management. It is a thing that incentivizes FBI senior managers to the tune of like 30, 50, $60,000 a year in bonuses to fill out and accomplish certain types of cases. And they only wanna do certain types of cases. So they go out and they basically bid on what their job's gonna be the year before they do it, and how many crimes in that sort of category they think they're gonna be. And then- So it's bounties to jack up fake crime numbers. It's literally like watching traffic cops get out there and get assigned a quota.

1:09:17 and they do it in every type of case. They gotta go manufacture it. They gotta have enough. And if the priorities of the administration like the Biden administration where you gotta have this number of white nationalist cases and you gotta have this many white supremacist cases, they'll go out there and try to find them because there's money on the line behind it. And by the way, if your boss is getting money, then you're getting the gold star and the check mark on your review. And you're the guy who's gonna get the next promotion when it comes up or you're gonna get the specialty duty. So all All of these things end up being the lowest level of corruption ever, which is that people just wanna see their own ends accomplished. They wanna see a little better life for themselves. And they're not just like purely out there operating, where's the crime and how do we find it and how do we stop it? They're out there predicting it and then going out there and making sure their predictions are correct, cuz they're incentivized to do so.

1:09:57 I'm trying to find the article. I see these every day. Another black lady just got indicted for faking a noose around her neck that white supremacists did. And I look into these so-called white supremacist crimes, literally in almost every case, it's a Jussie Smollett. Yeah, it seems like 90 plus percent are race hoax. Because why? There must be a market for that, though. That's what we learn. Well, Well, people do the thing that incentivize, they're incentivized to do. There has to be a market, there has to be an outrage mob from the left that's gonna come out and support her, and it's gonna go back her up. And so yeah, they go do this kind of thing. And they generally speaking don't get destroyed as much. I think Jesse Smollett still probably is not worth nothing. I don't think he's been completely sued into oblivion. He didn't have to pay for all the investigative hours they wasted from the Chicago PD going after that news, right?

1:10:38 And I mean obviously the cops knew it was fake immediately, a little string around his neck, oh they poured bleach on me and said MAGA country at 2.30 at 23 below in Chicago, not even a sandwich shop near there, just totally made up crap. And it just goes on and on. Remember, this is the same FBI that sent like a dozen agents to go out and find out what was going on. And what was the guy Bubba something Bubba Wallace's, his garage tie, the one that pulled up and down the garage door. They sent out a bunch of FBI just go look at a piece of rope that was meant to pull up and down. And it showed like all of them. Most people have that in their house if it's not powered. Yeah, yeah, no, it was a standard. It was a standard not. It's just, it's wild.

1:11:20 But that just shows you where the priorities are. If you need to generate a certain type of case, then you're gonna go out and try to find that case. And that is not, so this is what a guy like Cash Patel, this is what a Dan Bongino is up against. There's a really interesting moment that we're at play. So we talked about Bondi saying certain things. We know that some of the stuff she's saying checks out, at least according to the people that I'm talking to. The danger is, is you have an FBI that is rooted against and it's not monolithic by the way. There's 56, 55 different field offices. I think they reduced one since I left. There's 55 field offices and they all have their own culture. We found that out during COVID. Some people were extremely right leaning, some were very left leaning, some were very constitutional. Some said let's let the court sort it out. And we don't have to go after you for COVID stuff. And some of them said no, no, no, we are going to stomp on you and find out who is not compliant. And so it just depended who was in the office. But

1:12:06 But you're dealing with 55 different cultures, plus you're dealing with a headquarters unit, and you're dealing with the institutional inertia. They have to both stop something that has been going on since basically September 12th of 2001. I want you to get into Crossfire Hurricane if you had more you wanted to add there. I want to get into every other topic you want to cover. This is such an important window into all of this because every culture in history gets taken over by its Praetorian Guard when it collapses. And the FBI, you can call the Praetorian Guard, came out of all these systems and it's obviously been political since day one. Jagger, Hoover, the blackmail, all of it, but it's gotten worse and worse and worse.

1:11:20 But that just shows you where the priorities are. If you need to generate a certain type of case, then you're gonna go out and try to find that case. And that is not, so this is what a guy like Cash Patel, this is what a Dan Bongino is up against. There's a really interesting moment that we're at play. So we talked about Bondi saying certain things. We know that some of the stuff she's saying checks out, at least according to the people that I'm talking to. The danger is, is you have an FBI that is rooted against and it's not monolithic by the way. There's 56, 55 different field offices. I think they reduced one since I left. There's 55 field offices and they all have their own culture. We found that out during COVID. Some people were extremely right leaning, some were very left leaning, some were very constitutional. Some said let's let the court sort it out. And we don't have to go after you for COVID stuff. And some of them said no, no, no, we are going to stomp on you and find out who is not compliant. And so it just depended who was in the office. But

1:12:06 But you're dealing with 55 different cultures, plus you're dealing with a headquarters unit, and you're dealing with the institutional inertia. They have to both stop something that has been going on since basically September 12th of 2001. I want you to get into Crossfire Hurricane if you had more you wanted to add there. I want to get into every other topic you want to cover. This is such an important window into all of this because every culture in history gets taken over by its Praetorian Guard when it collapses. And the FBI, you can call the Praetorian Guard, came out of all these systems and it's obviously been political since day one. Jagger, Hoover, the blackmail, all of it, but it's gotten worse and worse and worse.

1:12:43 Teddy Gunnarsson was high level FBI. He was dying of cancer. He phoned in, interviewed him many times and he just said, I want to apologize to Martin Luther King. I ran the COINTELPRO and harassed his wife and his family and did all that. I thought he was a communist and you know, he kind of was a little bit of one, but it was still wrong. And I apologize. He was like dead a week later. He was very well spoken before he died of bladder cancer that spread around his body. So I mean he knew what he was talking about, but he would also expose a bunch of the child trafficking and the CIA and all that. And back then it's like, oh, that's crazy. Then so many of the documents were recently released four years ago, the finders case. And I mean, the CIA had a whole base in DC doing all this. I mean, this, people. People need to understand.

1:13:38 right off the coast of New York and then deer swam the mile across. I mean, we're living in the meme where it's like conspiracy theorists versus people who read the mainstream and it's like 90 to 1 right now. It just continues to chalk up. There's another one. My grandmother was told by her doctor in Austin, like 1956 or whatever it was, that the polio shot with the live virus gave her polio. And most of it was caused by that. So that's my grandmother. She lived in 9-2 but was in a wheelchair most of the time. It just goes on. My dad was on a mountain climbing trip in the east. He's been in great shape. Got Lyme disease, didn't know he had it for a year. Ate all his joints. Really bad shape today because of it. I mean, I can go through just the carnage in my life just from these shots and just from diseases the government made. There was a Tucker Carlson interview the other day. It was an epidemiologist, public health guy. And he's talking about it. He says, look,

1:14:31 They basically eliminated measles through hygiene, through better nutrition, through all the things you can do to take care of yourself before the measles shot popped up in 1963. And so it was basically down to almost nothing in the United States in the first world. We oftentimes look at this causation correlation problem and we go, oh, well, that's when it happened and this is what was going on. Well, what else was happening in the world? And when you work in a broad space, if you go do, I went I went through paramedic school when I was in the military, and I didn't actually study ever. All I did was watch House MD, because they always went and they had to decide, was this something that was happening because of something they contracted, or was it something environmental? And you see how much has been changed in the environment of the United States when it comes to public health.

1:15:08 comes to nutrition, now we're going the opposite way with that, but it comes to the way that we actually take care of our bodies, the fact that we have soaps and we have running water and we have toilets. Yeah, well, exactly. I've had a bunch of scientists on, it's the same in Australia, Europe, everywhere, because they're the only countries that were behind each other, Europe. And this is a rough graph, I'm just butchering, but anybody could pull these up. So you've got sanitation, let's just say 1900, you know, really starts coming across the Western world. And infectious diseases and all this chronic stuff goes all the way down until the 1940s and then right when shots start kicking up in the 50s, it actually goes back up. And then now it's going like that with all the chemicals, the food, everything, but it's like that. And it's sanitation. And right when the vaccines start, that's when it starts going back up. Anybody can pull up those graphs and that's butchered, but you can pull that up. Type in graph, sanitation causing a drop in infectious disease versus vaccine graph, you'll pull it up.

1:16:02 It's just basic environmental stuff. I mean, this is some of the difficulty. And so you sit there and you listen. We were going to talk about a crossfire hurricane. We're kind of back and forth. I want to put bookends on this. We're going to take the first of this segment and take it and edit it together. Sure. Just other points about. Now seeing, you've shown me from your sources that there is a huge massive FPI operation, exactly what Pambandi says, digging through this huge amount, terabyte after terabyte, crashing servers. That is just sensational that that was being suppressed and they tried to pass off some old documents with a few new ones to Pambandi three weeks ago. This is incredible news. So they're telling us the truth.

1:16:42 They have it, it's what the US attorney said yesterday out of New Jersey. He said, listen, it's massive, hundreds of new victims, we're on it, it's gonna take time, so stop it. We have to do a new process or these bad guys will get away. We gotta find out who's innocent, who's not. We have sources, we have whistleblowers, we have witnesses. That's a process, but accelerated, can you speak to that? How long it will take if it's accelerated? Well, I think we look at the single biggest case the FBI ever worked, the most important thing they ever did. And I'm saying that in a sarcastic tone because it was January 6th, right? They took agents from every single field office and mobilized them to go after regular Americans for trespassing charges. Which by the way, was not what I signed up to go do, and also not the case for a lot of people that worked in the bureau. What they did there is they sent out what are called leads. They sent them out to the field offices which were handed down to supervisors and eventually to guys like me who are brick agents, what we call frontline agents, GS-13s.

1:17:33 that are gonna go out and do the investigation. And they said, here's the allegation or information that this person was involved in a federal crime. Here's the predicating opening if you would like to open the case, and then they have an option. They can open the case and they can pursue it aggressively. They can go out and get sources into it. They can go out and collect evidence. They can do surveillance. They can go and write paperwork so they can get processed where they're gonna get financial records and bank records and phone records and all the kind of things. feeding it to the agents. It's what it should be done. He's handing the ball to you. It sounds like what they're doing right now from the stuff that I can hear is that they are actually trying to clean the records they already have because it sounds like they probably have been doing this for a while. We have to believe that they were collecting on this. Look, why have we never heard who the Johns were, who the people were that were involved, right? That's the people that would actually be the additional spinoff cases. You can't prosecute Jeffrey Epstein. He's gone.

1:18:19 So if that's the case, if you can't go after that guy, you gotta go after the people that he was associated with. And in the same way they did the J6 case, which is they said, okay, here's this inciting event. We're going to send leads that says this person was involved in it. You can use Jeffrey Enskine as the inciting event or the sort of like the beginning of the hub. And then all of the people that were connected to him that may have been involved in criminality, whether it be in the conspiracy end, whether it be in the actual smuggling of people, whether it be the actual abuse of children, whether it be the taping of it, creation of child pornography is a crime as well, broadcasting it, consuming it, etc. All of these things can be pursued, but you have to identify who's the person and then do individual investigations into each of them.

1:18:55 Or they can hold them all in one big file, which is another option, and create sub files for each of these people. And they can send agents from all over the country that say, hey look, Alex, you're not on this case. You're just gonna run a lead for me. I need to go interview this person. I need to go- What is the best way to do it? It depends on the case. It actually- So they're probably doing- Over the floor appropriately. She says they found a bunch of Johns, but they gotta process who's guilty, who's not. Sure. So it appears from this information that you actually showed me the information on your phone. This is real there. It's very aggressive like she says. I think there's no reason not that to think that. I mean, look, it's one guy sitting in headquarters and one guy sitting outside in the field. That's two sources. Is that enough for me to say yes, there's a massive operation? Probably not. But I would say it leans that way. It makes me believe that the things that we're seeing. Well, I mean, it means they got files like she has things to work and they're going over it. Absolutely. Yeah. How many terabytes?

1:19:43 I don't know, 14, 15, something like that. I mean, that's a lot. That's a lot of files. And the goofiest thing was is that they said that we only have a couple hundred pages of documents. I've had cases that are open and shut that'll have a couple hundred pages. You'll get a couple hundred pages from a coroner one time. It'll just be all of the blood tests. Let me give the crew the headline. They already put some of this out. Take this segment, put it together. I'm so busy. I do production on air. People ask what goes on around here. It's dead. I love it. There's no pre-meetings or anything. It's all like, during the break, I'll be writing headlines. Here's your headline. High-level FBI whistleblower Kyle Serafin breaks bombshell Epstein news. The FBI, we'll get the exact number, has just 14 terabytes of Epstein stuff. I don't know what to say at this point. It'd be a shame if you went to thealexshowstore.com and got one of these limited edition, super sharp, amazing stainless steel.

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1:21:37 that they were going after Catholics and conservatives in Virginia that were peacefully protesting literal transgenders raping kids that were covering it up in the school bathrooms. And we know that the Democrats and Biden were behind the scenes trying to cover it up and intimidate Americans. That's just one of the things he did. And then he got targeted, he got investigated in the process. He did it right the first time, giving it to Congress, all of that. And he's a hero and it's gonna be men and women like that that are gonna save this country. And we've got 30 minutes left, 25 minutes air time. You're gonna be on with Owen. I know he's gonna want to focus on the swatting and I understand that's near and dear to him getting lasers pointed at his head. I'm sure that's great. Just please recap and cover other stuff on that too. People need to hear this everywhere. This is so huge. Just finishing up on the Epstein thing. What an incredible piece of information he showed me. FBI headquarters.

1:22:26 huge task force on it, files, 14 terabytes, that's just what they saw, crashing servers, people being told this is your main focus, exactly what Pam Bondi said yesterday in the news. And then in a whole other office across the country, one of his other friends and former colleagues in the FBI saying, oh man, it's everywhere, this boom, it's right here. I mean, it's just, they're like boom, boom, boom, pushing it into the field offices to investigate And that's what you do when you're going after them. So the cover up is over, ladies and gentlemen. And we know about the hard drives going back to VHS 30 years ago. They said houses full of it. It's how it was described in FBI documents from Zorro Ranch alone. It was a whole complex medical facility.

1:23:11 Okay, so and we got little st. John's Island the Caribbean. We got his torture palace or whatever It was it literally had like dental chairs. No, it's torture chair folks. My dad's a dentist. It's not a dental chair Oh, you know Bill Clinton address paintings. I mean George Bush flying paper airplanes the World Trade Center. This is sick Okay, and these are sick people Masaad in my six CIA And then you got the owner of the Atlantic Monthly, Steve Jobs' wife, funding all the transgender targeting of kids. And then she's in there with all these articles, there's no abuse of kids, go to sleep, nothing's happening. And now they've run this new psyop with the intelligence info, so amazing. But now, crossfire hurricane, what you think should be done at the FBI? Trump, where all this is going? Something else he just did that was really smart.

1:23:58 We'll play this clip here, it's very short. President Trump has just signed a pardon for Devon Archer, the former business partner of Hunter Biden. Archer blew the whistle on the entire Biden crime family and was persecuted for doing so. Congrats, Devon. So smart to protect the whistleblowers. You can have mafia that's killed people. They bring down the whole organization. You give them a facelift and witness protection. Okay, absolutely. And they're like, Trump's protecting people. That's how you bring them down. So I'm going to play this clip. Get your take on that. Here it is. First, we have a pardon for Devin Archer.

1:24:34 Devin Archer was a former business partner of the Biden family. He's was prosecuted relating to a fraud investigation, but notably the tone and tenor of that prosecution changed dramatically after he began to cooperate with congressional investigators and serve as a witness against Hunter Biden and the Biden family. We believe that was an injustice and therefore we're asking you to pardon him. And many people have asked me to do this. I think he was treated very unfairly. And I looked at the records, studied the records, and he was a victim of a crime, as far as I'm concerned. So we're going to undo that.

1:25:17 Another big move by Trump, pardoning Devin Archer, the main whistleblower who then prosecuted and went after for exposing the Biden crime family. A very smart move to protect the whistleblowers. There's going to be a lot more. Kyle Serafin, former FBI agent, major whistleblower, your take on what just happened. Yeah, so I mean, this is what happens when you try to put together a criminal organization or put together a criminal prosecution. You gotta give some people amnesty, you gotta give them lesser charges for things. You remember he was working with Tony Bobulinski, that was the whole story. They came forward, they asked him to come and testify. And as I recall, I think he pled guilty to some things. The story kind of runs together in my head, but yeah, why wouldn't you? At this point, we're seeing a bunch of people that are being

1:25:58 that are being made whole. I've seen guys at the IRS as well. You saw the whistleblowers there. They were just put into positions by the Secretary of Treasury. He says, hey, you guys came forward and did the right thing. You're getting harassed. You know what I'd like to see too, though? I'd like to see some FBI whistleblowers like my buddy Garrett O'Boyle put back into his job. He's been unpaid for 30 months. So seeing criminals get pardoned, I'm okay with that. Seeing J6ers pardoned, 100%. I was actually on the fence for a little while because some people were actually violent. But at the end of the day, what the Justice Department did actually was it needed to be rebuked. They needed to say all that work you did and all that stupidity you spent on J6, that needs to go away. So you do that, you gotta make people whole, you gotta go out there and you gotta incentivize. Jim Jordan's been holding hearings on this stuff. But what I'd like to see is people made whole and been treated properly. And what you're saying is,

1:26:41 Trump's promoting Pentagon whistleblowers. Military whistleblowers. IRS whistleblowers. Don't just support them, promote them because that's the new culture. That's really the way to fix it. You have to put people that have actually experienced it. If you had told me some of the things that went on and the fact that the FBI actually investigated me, I had people call me that were working inside the Hoover building. And they said, I just got out of a meeting, 45 minutes, people from DOJ inside the Hoover building were sitting down. You're not gonna be able to walk without looking over your shoulder for the next three years. I went like, are you kidding me? And then I found out that they subpoenaed my Twitter following. They subpoenaed all my records from social media. We found out about that. And actually, Elon Musk of all people is actually defending that. They did it after the fact. They're still appealing this case, trying to try to make case law. They've talked about maybe filing on my behalf. And so when you find out that the agency that you worked for, I didn't break any laws.

1:27:32 I went forward in good faith. There's actually a federal law that says 5 U.S.C. 70 to 11, you can petition your member of Congress. It is how you do whistleblowing if you want to do it. It is defined and they're trained on it every single year as a federal employee. I brought that forward and then they investigated me. That's crazy. That's absolutely crazy. So I wouldn't have believed some of this stuff beforehand. The fact that if you've never experienced it, then you don't know and people haven't experienced what you've experienced. So they can't say, okay, this is 100% true. It's real, it's crazy. It comes at you from every direction. And you gotta go and make these guys whole if you ever want someone to step forward again. Because I assure you, there are people that know that are bad things that happen in our government. and they're watching. What happens to Gerardo Boyle? What happens to Steve Friend? What happens to Kyle Serafin? Are we gonna make them whole or are we gonna do the right thing? I don't wanna go back and work for the FBI again. They stabbed me in the back once, I'm good. But I'd like to be at least made whole. I'd like them to say, you made my brain- Well, you can be an advisory role to Trump in the Justice Department, I guarantee you. I'll bring it up when I talk to Trump.

1:28:27 So many things bring up, but you tell, hey, Trump, did you know the Biden, including Hunter, got 18 secret services in South Africa? Trump goes, I'm going to check that. One hour later revokes it. That's why they're scared. You get him the stuff, I guarantee you he'll take action. That's why we're saying it here. But you said something in the last segment. I know how the internet works because they don't understand FBI nomenclature. You said, oh, they're pushing on all the field offices for the investigation. There's two ways to do it. So they got to clean up the file. When you say that doesn't mean cover it up. I know what you mean, but elaborate. You mean the defense of these criminals is going to get whatever the FBI agents basically have they're given. You've got to be very safe about sources, witnesses, victims. That stuff's got to be held back as another file so that you don't give the bad guys a blueprint to know what you know. Is that correct?

1:29:17 Partially, yes. You notice Pam Bondi said things about national security. That means that there were probably some people that were running afoul of different national security cases. I got a problem with a lot of them and I think a lot of them are pretty dangerous the way they do it because they don't need criminal predication. But when we talk about national security sources and methods, FISA, technical sources they can use to compromise devices or things like that. If they have these things in there that indicate what we're dealing with, yeah. You're going to have to go and clean those things up. What I mean- If they're doing a national security drag now, and they find out some stuff about Epstein and good agents put it in the file, that's, I mean, here's an example. You can't share that. You can't share it because of the way that you got the information, because not every criminal attorney is going to be read in on that type of information. You have to have a clearance. There are literally, there are defense attorneys

1:30:00 that also have a security clearance so they can observe classified evidence against their clients. Now, usually what has to happen is they have to actually declassify to be able to go forward if they actually wanna continue the prosecution, but they negotiate. They still have to be able to see what's going on there. So yeah, that's part of the thing to clean up. But the other piece is if they're gonna release anything publicly, it's gotta be very much cleaned up so the public doesn't get the names of victims who could be harassed. It doesn't go to people who shouldn't have it. So there are certain federal laws that protect And by the way, I mean, I've been in a lot of civil cases and stuff. Even really good lawyers mess up. They put one innocent, one victim's name in, it'll all turn into those agents and Trump are bad. So it's a damn landmine.

1:30:39 And it's a violation of federal law. So it's almost like a do no harm. They gotta make sure that they do this stuff right. Now, like I said, at the end of the day, does it matter whether or not the American public gets every access to all the files? I don't think it does. I think what they wanna see is movement forward. And I think if the Trump administration were to come forward with messaging and you heard Pam Bondi say, look, we're actually not gonna give you the entire file because We can't do that until after it goes to court. Some things are not going to be revealed until after we've actually handed it over. People have a right to their own proper defense. We don't want to pose in the public. We don't want to have a judge come and slap down what we're trying to use. All of that stuff is beyond medical records. So people that don't understand this need to grow up.

1:31:14 Okay, you got real action here, 14 terabytes they grabbed out of New York. This is amazing. I mean, this is great news because it's exactly what Pam Bondi says they're doing and this guy has incredible integrity and has amazing sources and it's going down. Wow, so much, you got the floor. What else do you want to cover? Let's talk about Crossfire Hurricane and one of the things that is the- Recap what that is. Crossfire Hurricanes, the national security investigation of Donald Trump's campaign and eventually bled into his actual term as president. It led to a bunch of different people inside the FBI being removed. There's some settlements afterwards and they were made whole. Even guys who did the wrong thing, who lied to their own agency like- It's an attempted FBI, deep state, Democrat coup against Trump. I will co-sign on that. Yeah, that's correct.

1:30:39 And it's a violation of federal law. So it's almost like a do no harm. They gotta make sure that they do this stuff right. Now, like I said, at the end of the day, does it matter whether or not the American public gets every access to all the files? I don't think it does. I think what they wanna see is movement forward. And I think if the Trump administration were to come forward with messaging and you heard Pam Bondi say, look, we're actually not gonna give you the entire file because We can't do that until after it goes to court. Some things are not going to be revealed until after we've actually handed it over. People have a right to their own proper defense. We don't want to pose in the public. We don't want to have a judge come and slap down what we're trying to use. All of that stuff is beyond medical records. So people that don't understand this need to grow up.

1:31:14 Okay, you got real action here, 14 terabytes they grabbed out of New York. This is amazing. I mean, this is great news because it's exactly what Pam Bondi says they're doing and this guy has incredible integrity and has amazing sources and it's going down. Wow, so much, you got the floor. What else do you want to cover? Let's talk about Crossfire Hurricane and one of the things that is the- Recap what that is. Crossfire Hurricanes, the national security investigation of Donald Trump's campaign and eventually bled into his actual term as president. It led to a bunch of different people inside the FBI being removed. There's some settlements afterwards and they were made whole. Even guys who did the wrong thing, who lied to their own agency like- It's an attempted FBI, deep state, Democrat coup against Trump. I will co-sign on that. Yeah, that's correct.

1:31:56 The crazy thing is this, that was all possible, at least it was more possible because of what happened in October of 2016 in the last year of the Obama administration. Biden was obviously the VP at that time. They updated a executive order that was 12333. And if anybody keeps track of national security stuff, you guys know that 12333 is the authorizing executive order that gives the NSA the ability to do domestic collection. Which means they can go out there and grab information from the telephone records. They can grab content from your text messages, and so on and so forth. If it touches American wires, our intelligence service have at least the ability and sometimes they actually have the purview to go out and grab it. I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong, I'm just telling you that it does.

1:32:36 Obama changed the game there. And what he did is something that had never been done before. And I actually think it was probably a hedge because they thought Hillary was gonna win and they were giving Hillary even more powerful apparatus within sort of the intelligence apparatus of the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, and so on, the sort of big conglomerate of Intel agencies. What I think was going on there, they updated and allowed the FBI for the first time to have access to what's called RAW FISA. Alex, RAW FISA, That's like looking in your email box. That's like me opening up your email and reading your spam and finding out who's sending it to you. It's like me opening up your text messages and seeing who's involved in that if you don't have encrypted text. It's me seeing who's in your missed calls and who's in your phone calls. There's an entire software program that's called DWS or the Data Warehouse System. And prior to October of 2016, and you guys can even find it, Wired Magazine reported on at the time,

1:33:24 Wired Magazine is pretty good and hard to the left, but they also tend to care about civil liberties when it comes to things that are in the tech sphere. And they were alerted by this. They said this is real problematic. And then of course Donald Trump won. It didn't mean that suddenly Donald Trump had access to these tools. What it meant is that the FBI, the NSA, and so on, they now had this open door sharing where when I went to go work for the bureau in November of 2016, my first day on the job in December of 2016, I got assigned cases, got access to DWS, this data warehouse system, and I could literally search names of Americans and they weren't masked. They weren't what we call minimized. They were unredacted, me going through a warehouse of NSA collections and I didn't need a warrant. And all of that is what we talk about with FISA 702. That's the craziest thing. Well, here's an example. Judge Arpaio on my show, gosh, right when Trump got in office like eight plus years ago,

1:34:16 He was given, because he's former DEA in Mexico, pretty famous, the head guy down there and all that craziness. And I'm talking about old school, but the point was is that he was given by the DEA a bunch of NSA files of numbers. And he said, by the way, you and Trump, this was going back years before Trump even ran through him getting elected. It was my numbers and I had an old landline I would use for radio interviews that I'd since gotten rid of and I'd had that thing for like 20 years and it had my landline, it had my parents numbers, I never did live with them, and it had my cell phone and my old cell phone in an NSA deal and then these and that's how they had Trump in there, his Mar-a-Lago number.

1:35:00 I showed it to Roger who had his Mar-a-Lago suite, because you know Trump used to have the whole thing but now he just has an apartment there. Trump's apartment number at Mar-a-Lago. So I was like yeah, Roger's like yeah that's the number. I mean again this was way back before the 2013 thing. Sure. And the DEA had access to that. They're like hey dude you're under NSA. Well, and this is the legacy of the Patriot Act. This is the legacy of September 12, 2001, when we heard people, basically we learned the exact wrong lessons. And I know you've been talking about this for a very long time. They're just grabbing everything I ever say, just so in case they find something. The question is, is who can access that information? If it's the NSA, the NSA doesn't have badges and guns.

1:35:38 I'm not crazy about them having access to it. I don't like the intelligence sphere. I don't like our government knowing things they don't need to know when you have a First Amendment liberty to say it and not be-. But now they're handing it off to the FBI that's become a secret police. This is exactly correct. Look, even Seb Gorka and I were talking about this at one point in time. He goes, you're talking about taking the people with the badges and the guns. They have the legal authority to go out, knock down your door and put you in handcuffs and drag you off, okay? Legal arrest authority. And then you add the intelligence capabilities that have been associated with every single secret police that's ever existed. In America, we didn't have that ability to get raw intel like that without asking anybody's permission. The FBI has both access and they have the ability to just do it on their own. They used to have to petition the NSA to be able to say, hey, we'd like a person number one, we'd like US person number two, can you please unredact those? How many agencies of the DEA has it?

1:36:24 They do, and this is all because they've expanded the definitions of what they consider to be terrorists. They've expanded what FISA 702 can be used for, drug cartels. There's a real danger here, and this is kind of a fun little mind game, because they actually said now the cartels are gonna be considered foreign terrorist organizations, right? And that they already have access to 702 by using that tool, they can actually go after the cartels. But does it mean that somebody who is funding through buying drugs on the street, if you are buying and it is sourced back to a cartel, are you now in material support of terrorism? So that was the question. There's all kinds of articles out there talking about two hops. So what happens is, let's say FISA 702 is meant to do foreign adversaries in foreign places. Drug cartel guy in Mexico. The minute he comes to the United States, we're no longer able to collect on him using 702. You need a proper FISA. Same thing, Russian spy in Russia, you can collect on him with 702. He lands at Dulles. We now have to turn that off.

1:37:19 But then you can also two hop the contacts of that Russian. Let's say the Russian is talking to, let's say a foreign journalist or somebody who's in the embassy in Washington, DC. You can hop to them. And that person, let's say, reaches out to you in Twitter DMs or wants to go out there and send you an email. Now we can hop to you because you are now in contact with that person. So we have a very broad- A giant fishing expedition. This is that circles upon circles that spin off more and more investigations. So you had to guess, this is speculation, the Boston field office, 12, 13 year secret investigation, obviously not the only one we know of others. Sure. And the NSA stopped predating that. Was this a dragnet or what were they looking for? This is the first whistleblower activity that I ever did. It goes back to 2017. I went to my boss and I say, I see what we're doing, but I don't know why. Why do we have people investigating folks when there's no allegation or information that there's any criminality that they're involved in? And so my boss who is the assistant special agent in charge of counterintelligence in Washington DC, he looked at me and he goes, we just know more stuff about them. And I went, well, what does that mean? And he goes,

1:38:19 And he goes, well, then we have more information. And I go, no, that's what happens when you get information, you get more information. What are we doing with this stuff? That's the question. I don't understand what we do here. And he said, we just know more things. And the scariest thing is, and I heard you say it accurately the other day, if you get enough information, at some point in time, you might uncover criminality. You might be looking for counterterrorism resources. You might be trying to find out whether or not some guy is a jihadi, and you end up finding out that he's involved in child pornography 20 years later. You might be looking at Alex Jones because you think he's a white supremacist, whatever the hell that means, and you say these things, but then you eventually find out that maybe there's some tax fraud involved. And so they have an ability to- Or they use that to make it up, because I mean, here's a microcosm. Just giving the example that they can find something. The one I always use is, let's say you happen to have somebody who dropped an illegal machine gun at your house, or maybe it was on their trust. Maybe it's a legally owned NFA item, and they left it with you and you're not on the trust.

1:39:07 And we find out about that because they're watching your text messages. They have a FISA on you and they can see that. Then they go and they raid Alex Jones's house and you end up like that guy in Little Rock who gets shot in the head at six in the morning because someone's coming through your door because they know exactly- Well, let's expand. I mean, here's an example. There's that famous Perry Mason moment in the show trial where I was already found guilty for Sandy Hook by the judge telling him all these lies about me. And the lawyer gets up and goes, you told me that there weren't any text messages about Sandy Hook. and there really weren't any of any note except me talking to my lawyer about it. That was true, but I meant like when they signed the thing, yeah, we're even talking about it. Right, it's privileged. And the lawyer from Connecticut sends the Texas lawyer that, his secretary sends the whole thing to them, they don't even tell them about it. Then they Perry Mason me and I just go, I told you, I gave them all my phones and that's why you have that. I didn't lie, they tried to get

1:40:02 Guara who didn't do it to indict me for perjury and I had the perfect answer was true I said I told you I gave them all the phones and they went through it and gave me but they just gave the raw phone and it was and what they had about Sandy it was me talking to my lawyers about it and they had some Joe Rogan text about it and they tried to subpoena him and harassed him and And it was, Joe just said, yeah, you gotta get over this thing. I know it's bull. And then it's like, look, you lied about that too. No, it was nothing substantive about them because they said Sandy Hook and a list of things, Sandy Hook, this list of hundreds of things, it wasn't any of that. It's an obscure way of doing a parallel construction, essentially. They're trying to germ a perjury charge and especially if it's privileged information you're talking. I don't have all the details, but I'll just take it from what you said right there. If you're talking to your attorney,

1:40:43 That's supposed to go to an agent. Let's say they get all your phones and they dump it and they've got all the data there. They're supposed to say, okay, well, this is protected. So there's a thing that's called a taint team. The taint team gets tainted with information they're not allowed to have. And they're not allowed to be on the prosecution. They're not allowed to be witnesses. They're not allowed to say anything about what they saw because they're supposed to be a referee. But can you imagine how troubling this is? I mean, honestly, I've always thought this was problematic. You got people that are supposed to be honorable, folks who are gonna obey their oath. That they're gonna be able to lose their life in the line of duty, that they're gonna lose their job if the wrong thing comes up, that they won't do it. And then those people are supposed to read files and decide, okay, this is in and this is out. And I'm never gonna go and talk in the break room to my buddy saying, by the way, he was in fact-

1:41:26 I literally dug up all my old phones, the lawyers came, plugged them in, took it. I said, okay, you guys, Discovery, anything on that, give it to them. I never even talked about it. Here it is, it's only me talking about the suits. And then it doesn't match any of the search parameters. And then they try to make me think I'm guilty. I go, I'm not, because I wasn't. Then they give the contents of the phone to the Southern Poverty Law Center to publish them. And then there's nothing even in there. But it's just total horror. So this is, but that's what the FBI guy said, currently CIA, he said, well, we couldn't find anything criminal. We've had an investigation, he says that. So we went and got them to do this suit to get him that way. And it's just like all right there. Does that sound like a serious conspiracy against rights?

1:42:09 It's a serious problem. That's what happens when somebody has decided what the outcome is gonna be, and then they're gonna go back it up. This is the problem with being an intelligence agency. This is why you cannot have an FBI that also has the same sort of intelligence focus on it. And that's why in 47, they said that the CIA was supposed to operate domestically. It is probably 60, 40 or maybe 70, 30 when it comes to the number of people that are in senior management that have time doing intel work. That's really problematic. But imagine this, When you're doing Intel, you're not burdened by proof. And you also feel entitled to get information that the other person doesn't know that you're getting. Like if I do surveillance on you, it's kind of a cat and mouse game. I'm watching you, you could be looking for me. We're playing kind of games. I have different cars following you. Maybe I put a plane up. Fine, you have the possibility of discovering me.