BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Something BIG Is About To Happen! US Intel Agencies & The FBI Are Preparing For A Massive Alien / Trans-Dimensional Disclosure

00:00 And this 3i Atlas, what he's saying about it is it has larger, you know, it's certainly larger than anything we've seen and it doesn't have the gaseous trail of a typical asteroid and things of that nature. So he's saying my hypothesis is it's intelligently controlled. It's one thing to put it out there as the hypothesis. But if you're talking about the top man at the Harvard Astrophysics Lab, then you're talking about somebody who swings a lot of weight. And what they're looking for, they wanna really data mine the issue. And they did this with the drone piece just before Trump came in in December into early January. We had this incredible drone run. They need that data, just like they're trying to add NORAD

00:43 to the NDAA this year in relation to the UFO file. They didn't do that before, but they're trying to do that under the UAP Disclosure Act, which by the way, is headed up by that titan, that champion of freedom, Chuck Schumer out of New York. So these aren't the people you want leading a transparency movement, that is for sure. One of the things I think about the Schumer amendment in all of this is very interesting cuz that's the first one that has included Northcom. Because the commander of Northcom and the commander of NORAD and COG are all the same guy. So that is putting the UFO piece directly under NORAD NORTHCOM. So you would imagine, of course, being a sky event, they'd have some role, of course.

01:26 But to put them in the heart of the legislation is part of pushing the UFO threat into the emergency powers sector. And when you get close to the secrecy around the UFO file, you're dealing with the continuity of government players. Because the only thing they did with the UFO file and COG is they flipped that kind of underground base secrecy with the lack of oversight and flipped it into space. So that we're still talking about the last thing that went up to the moon was Apollo 17. That's 1972. So, hello, where have you been for 53 years? And you're going back to the moon all of a sudden. Well, what happened in between? You see, there's been a large scale secret development, but that's been using the public's money. So these are the things that need to be on the table when it gets to this. And I think by just encouraging the threat, they're trying to leapfrog over this process and not do any of the real public disclosures they need to do. Just say, hey, you know what, we have this breakaway technology.

02:22 We've been building it up in the background and that is to fight off this alien threat for you. Do you know anything about the UAPs? And one of them piped up and said, in the investigation she said, well, I can't talk about it because I'm actively involved in supporting those investigations. But I can tell you that a lot more activity is happening now. God, that's data point number one, and that they're real. Okay, data point number two. I'm talking to my friend and mentioned this while we're on the boat and he says, oh, Bobby had a briefing and all of this stuff is true. Roswell, all those things, the reverse engineering, the origin of the night vision,

01:26 But to put them in the heart of the legislation is part of pushing the UFO threat into the emergency powers sector. And when you get close to the secrecy around the UFO file, you're dealing with the continuity of government players. Because the only thing they did with the UFO file and COG is they flipped that kind of underground base secrecy with the lack of oversight and flipped it into space. So that we're still talking about the last thing that went up to the moon was Apollo 17. That's 1972. So, hello, where have you been for 53 years? And you're going back to the moon all of a sudden. Well, what happened in between? You see, there's been a large scale secret development, but that's been using the public's money. So these are the things that need to be on the table when it gets to this. And I think by just encouraging the threat, they're trying to leapfrog over this process and not do any of the real public disclosures they need to do. Just say, hey, you know what, we have this breakaway technology.

02:22 We've been building it up in the background and that is to fight off this alien threat for you. Do you know anything about the UAPs? And one of them piped up and said, in the investigation she said, well, I can't talk about it because I'm actively involved in supporting those investigations. But I can tell you that a lot more activity is happening now. God, that's data point number one, and that they're real. Okay, data point number two. I'm talking to my friend and mentioned this while we're on the boat and he says, oh, Bobby had a briefing and all of this stuff is true. Roswell, all those things, the reverse engineering, the origin of the night vision,

03:24 A whole bunch of this tech comes out of reverse engineering recovered material. And so stay tuned on that. It sounds like there is absolutely there there. And we can look forward to, as you're talking about the future, we can look forward to learning a lot more about what the heck is going on with these, whether they're time travelers and they're humans coming back or they're from another dimension or they're whatever, fill in the blank. But apparently it's real.

04:06 close confidant being, he's read in on this. And then you see all the action by Trump saying we now control time and space. And his head scientist saying that clearly they're getting ready for major disclosure of some type. The question is, do we trust Trump and his group for that? And we know that there's actually the other group competing with him. This is an incredible time to be alive. But regardless, do you agree with me, Daniel, as a star journalist, that clearly we're on the cusp of something big? There's no question, this is huge. And I wanna say also that some of the things that they did with you with the legal jeopardy and all the things that they were pushing, I think a lot of that is timed around when you started opening up more on the UFO file action itself. Because they're afraid of that type of thing, of that type

04:51 of bringing forward the issue to a large scale audience from a perspective that's not the intelligence community perspective. So that's just a little something to keep in mind, but you're absolutely right. And this does get tricky, of course, because the Trump group itself has the long history with the UFO file. And they certainly have more of a transparency piece with it, especially with Kennedy in there, Kennedy's family. Remember, John F Kennedy, in large part was assassinated over the UFO file. This is the crucial thing we've tried to bring forward. There's a number of pieces of documents. There's a number of testimonies about this. And the reason would be that the people who were in charge of NASA and that whole militarization of space aspect back in that period of the 1960s

05:40 We were at a fork in the road, it was gonna go one way or the other. Kennedy's thing was, let's bring forward peace in space, let's make it a science zone, a war-free zone. And that was anathema to them because they thought they had this incredible advantage. And then finally, Kennedy in the background, it's come out through people like Khrushchev's son and others was working with Khrushchev on a joint moon mission. So the entire space program now is gonna be the United States and Russia. And ever since that, there are earlier versions of this, but ever since that, the highest level ranking people on the deep state side, who are inside the government, have prevented those leaders from getting together without

06:21 their interpreters there without their CIA influence, without the State Department involved. The government fears Alex Jones, who has the largest audience in the country, bigger than any of the networks, the biggest megaphone in the country. The deep state hates Alex Jones with a vengeance. Alex Jones is the most extraordinary person I've ever met. All right, Daniel. List, known as Dark Journalist, written for the Wall Street Journal, you name it. Major filmmaker, really smart individual. Darkjournalist.com, YouTube Dark Journalist, also on X. Has produced hundreds and hundreds of major episodes investigating all those major films, you name it. And we are honored to have him with us this hour today, shifting gears out of the other huge topics we were covering, with the constant hype every year of objects that aren't part of the regular orbit of the sun,

07:19 From the Sun, Mercury out to the gas giants, out past Pluto into the Kuiper belt, and of course the asteroid belt in between Mars and the gas giants. These objects are coming through. And they do the radio telescope scans of them, and some of them have unusual shapes, some are shaped like cigars, some are shaped... Other things that don't look natural. And then we're told it's an alien. You know, we were told this, an alien craft, we were told this back with Hale Bopp, that when that comet came through, that there was really something behind the head of the comet. And you know, then the Heaven's Gate cult, a transgender cult, cut their testicles off and then put on their Nike tennis shoes and black outfits and drank vodka and barbiturates and committed suicide to beam themselves up to the comet.

08:16 So a lot of craziness is associated with this. And there's been a bunch of these objects, but now there's 3i Atlas, and that is going to come speeding through. And we've had all these whistleblowers who came out saying, I'm telling you, last year, there's going to be this object coming in a few years, and they're going to tell you it's an alien, but it's not. Well, they know that we don't believe these are aliens when this is said. So how do you make it sound credible? They come out and say, oh, the government's planning to tell you it's aliens, but it's not. That is my opinion of what's being put out. And the way these things are produced and the way they talk and the way this all flooded the zone the last five, six years, congressional testimony, people on Joe Rogan's show, I can tell you, I've talked to Joe behind the scenes and others, and they're like, yeah, we know that's, we were just having them on, some are credible, some aren't. But it's like, I was on the phone with high tech level super secure ultra, and they said they work with the Reptoids and the bases.

09:15 And again, I'm not saying that some of these Epstein victims didn't see him turn into a reptile. I'm not even saying stuff like that may not exist. I'm saying the way this is being rolled out to me looks like the larger Bluebeam type. And Bluebeam's not an official program, but it's the colloquial, like chemtrails is not the name of geoengineering and high altitude aerosol spraying and weather control, but we call it chemtrails. People call it bluebeam, but definitely in the culture and the system and there's documents they have planned this. And we've talked about unifying us with it. And you saw how they used all the UAP stuff to distract when Biden was in so much trouble, and that's come out now.

09:54 So Daniel, this is a great history of being super accurate. You sent me a whole bunch of exhibits. You can just call for the ones you want. Crew's doing a great job. We're flying by the seat of our pants here. I should have done more preparation for this. I've done a lot of preparation, but then once I get here, it's like, oh my God, I've got 15 videos and 100 documents. And there's so much to get to, but we've set the table here. I've kind of given a gestalt of it that those are my views. I know Daniel's are similar, because I listen to him. That's where I get a lot of my views. But just give us your overall, you know, 100 mile up view, then zoom into 35,000 and then into point blank range about generally all this movement we're seeing on so many fronts with this in the PSYOP areas. Daniel, thanks for being here. Thank you, Alex. It's great to be back with you.

10:36 And I have to say you're spot on with this because a lot of it is deep state brinkmanship. That's where they're going with it. So now the whole thing has been raised around Epstein and Trump. So they have to go right to the mat and say, on one side, here's the UFO file. And this is the dramatic entry of this subject. Now Trump himself has also declared through the Space Force in his first term and through the Golden Dome in the second. And the Golden Dome just had its first test two days ago, by the way. And that is really the UFO defense grid. But its cover story is that it's gonna block these hypersonic or ICBMs from coming in the way the original Star Wars under Reagan did.

11:14 But this is the season that we're in, which is the challenges and the stakes are going up and up and up ever since Trump got in for that second term. So the UFO file is right there on the table. One, it's very hard to get around Trump when it comes to the UFO file because of the presence of his uncle in his background, that's first. Then Roy Cohn, who was deeply, deeply connected to aerospace, along with all of his other rather nefarious connections. But that's a great place to cut your teeth if you're a future president as Trump was going to be. And so Trump is on this kind of same level when he's dealing with these people. We have to keep that in mind. So when they're building up this threat now in this period, you've had a number of counterintelligence agents. They were originally rolled out in 2017 with the TTSA. And they included Tom DeLonge, the rock star, and all the CIA people like Jim Semivan, Elizondo, and all these others.

12:12 really stewarding this entire movement for what looked like disclosure. But what we got was CIA disclosure and that was all about a UFO threat. That's where they're going. The threat is their ultimate piece because as you mentioned, other things. When you want that kind of central control, you need emergency powers. And these people do not have the ability to get that at the ballot box. They don't have that kind of support. So in order to govern, they need the emergency powers. And the sky event of a UFO threat is something they have built up in the background. One group on the inside in there says, no, no, we can't pull it off. There's no way we can get this done. The other group says, no, we've been building this up since 1947. We can't pull it off.

12:55 we can do it. And right down the middle of it is the real UFO file. This is what has to be kept in mind, that the UFO file is absolutely real, the CIA UFO disclosure versions the intelligence community coming out and telling you what they are. Even to the point of saying, hey, we have intelligence people who are abductees and all the rest. This is where the misinformation comes in. So you have to be able to separate those two, what looks like disclosure on the surface, like with this Avi Loeb situation. And Loeb is only about, he's literally five minutes from here at the astrophysics lab at Harvard. And I'll tell you this about Loeb,

13:33 He's an astrophysicist. He was the original one in the Black Hole Project for Harvard, and now he is coming forward. He comes out of Talpiet Intelligence, by the way, you'll get a kick out of that. That's Israeli intelligence that he was in for ten years. And they sent him over here as early as 1983, when he was 21 as a genius to work on Star Wars, the first version. So this is a guy with a serious, serious history. And when we're talking about Loeb, he's completely in league with that counterintelligence group that's putting this whole UFO threat forward. But his role is to get this kind of distinguished piece, kind of like the J. Allen Hynek, Vannevar Bush type role, to say, there's an incoming object. This thing appears to be piloted by intelligent craft.

14:23 and we're communicating with its AI, but it's a danger. It's an actual alien threat. Now he's been using the term alien threat. They got the intelligence community guys off using that because they were starting to stumble by using that. It sounded too militaristic. But this kind of threat with the incoming object, the incoming alien object, is something that Loeb has been going on about. And if you go into his history, Only in the last year, he's been talking about an ET Messiah coming and that he believes in this. And this is absolutely on record. He is quoted by New York Magazine at an event in 2024. It was the World Minds event, which is like Davos Light here and over in New York City. And he went up there and he said, no, no, the Messiah is not going to come the way we think. I believe it's going to be an ET Messiah who's going to say, don't fight here on Earth because there's so much real estate there.

15:15 there in the heavens. So we're getting into the UFO threat and lobe. We're looking right at the center of what they're pushing forward, but they need to do it now because they cannot let the Trump agenda take complete hold in this period. They need to influence his agenda. And part of his falling out with Musk has left a huge vulnerability in that entire administration. And that gets to that interim leader of NASA, which we'll get into next. But when it comes to Loeb, this is somebody who has a mission. And part of that mission is to make the UFO threat viable to the educated people in the audience. Now speaking about

15:58 This latest visitor and why they're saying it doesn't behave like a comet or an asteroid. What's the truth of that? Well, it's interesting as he observed with the Mua Mua when it came in. They are unusual, but we have had these comments coming in and this three eye atlas, what he's saying about it is it has larger, it's certainly larger than anything we've seen and it doesn't have the gaseous trail of a typical asteroid and things of that nature. So he's saying my hypothesis is it's intelligently controlled.

16:35 It's one thing to put it out there as the hypothesis. But if you're talking about the top man at the Harvard Astrophysics Lab, then you're talking about somebody who swings a lot of weight. And what they're looking for, they wanna really data mine the issue. And they did this with the drone piece just before Trump came in in December into early January. We had this incredible drone run. They need that data, just like they're trying to add NORAD to the NDAA this year in relation to the UFO file. They didn't do that before, but they're trying to do that under the UAP Disclosure Act, which by the way, is headed up by that titan, that champion of freedom, Chuck Schumer out of New York. So these aren't the people you want leading a transparency movement, that is for sure. One of the things I think about the Schumer amendment

17:23 in all of this is very interesting cuz that's the first one that has included Northcom. Because the commander of Northcom and the commander of NORAD and COG are all the same guy. So that is putting the UFO piece directly under NORAD NORTHCOM. So you would imagine, of course, being a sky event, they'd have some role, of course. But to put them in the heart of the legislation is part of pushing the UFO threat into the emergency powers sector. And when you get close to the secrecy around the UFO file, you're dealing with the continuity of government players. Because the only thing they did with the UFO file and COG is they flipped

18:00 that kind of underground base secrecy with the lack of oversight and flipped it into space. So that we're still talking about the last thing that went up to the moon was Apollo 17. That's 1972. So, hello, where have you been for 53 years? And you're going back to the moon all of a sudden. Well, what happened in between? You see, there's been a large scale secret development, but that's been using the public's money. So these are the things that need to be on the table when it gets to this. And I think by just encouraging the threat, they're trying to leapfrog over this process and not do any of the real public disclosures they need to do. Just say, hey, you know what, we have this breakaway technology.

18:40 We've been building it up in the background and that is to fight off this alien threat for you. And you started to prelude it. The new national director wants to put a nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030. What does that mean? Well, this is a really, first of all, you can't do it by treaty. There's a 1967 treaty that prevents that. So we've got Sean Duffy out there. Sean Duffy is the interim controller of NASA, was gonna be Isaacman, who was Jared's, Jared Isaacman, and he was the close, close confidant of Elon Musk. And I think what was going on there with Musk being so close to Trump during the campaign, there are a few reasons. But one of the reasons was that he wanted to get this NASA director because he wanted SpaceX to have that intel from NASA. Because NASA has the huge history, the huge background. And so that was a big power play for him and you could say that was a business move as well. But-.

18:00 that kind of underground base secrecy with the lack of oversight and flipped it into space. So that we're still talking about the last thing that went up to the moon was Apollo 17. That's 1972. So, hello, where have you been for 53 years? And you're going back to the moon all of a sudden. Well, what happened in between? You see, there's been a large scale secret development, but that's been using the public's money. So these are the things that need to be on the table when it gets to this. And I think by just encouraging the threat, they're trying to leapfrog over this process and not do any of the real public disclosures they need to do. Just say, hey, you know what, we have this breakaway technology.

18:40 We've been building it up in the background and that is to fight off this alien threat for you. And you started to prelude it. The new national director wants to put a nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030. What does that mean? Well, this is a really, first of all, you can't do it by treaty. There's a 1967 treaty that prevents that. So we've got Sean Duffy out there. Sean Duffy is the interim controller of NASA, was gonna be Isaacman, who was Jared's, Jared Isaacman, and he was the close, close confidant of Elon Musk. And I think what was going on there with Musk being so close to Trump during the campaign, there are a few reasons. But one of the reasons was that he wanted to get this NASA director because he wanted SpaceX to have that intel from NASA. Because NASA has the huge history, the huge background. And so that was a big power play for him and you could say that was a business move as well. But-.

19:39 I mean, he didn't care about the EV mandate. He said, you know, take all that away. He just wanted the space deal. And then his guy got pushed out and that's when the big rift happened. Exactly, but there were things about Isaacman that I think that Trump knew something was going on there and that he felt it was inappropriate to have Isaacman at NASA. This is the tricky thing when you get into those relationships, it's like, how far is too far? And I think Trump realized, remember Trump, a lot of his initiatives, he's not the kind of person who discusses his open initiatives. So a lot of his open initiatives, for example, to get control of

20:17 the UFO file is to push it back under executive control. Well, the open initiative is Space Force. The undercurrent, the thing that is not going to get discussed because he's such a poker player, is getting that control of the UFO file. Now this is one of the other things about why there's a Kennedy in this administration getting briefed on UFOs as we just learned about. Robert Kennedy Jr. is the Health and Human Services Secretary and we know his incredible family background and the Kennedy's family background with the UFO file. But he's getting briefings, and this is according to Robert Malone, Dr. Robert Malone, who you've had on your show, he's an incredibly reliable source. He's getting briefings on the UFO file. And what he's learning from those briefings, according to Malone, is that the Roswell incident was a completely covered up incident as we knew, and was actually the crash of an exotic technology that we have redeveloped to develop all these other technologies.

21:13 So that's the type of information he's getting. But you have to wonder what's going on here in terms of the intelligence net and how close Bobby is to Trump. Somebody is putting him in the position of getting those briefings on the UFO. And I probably should have raised this first instead of 3i Atlas. Here's incredible clip. He's on Kennedy's main medical advisory board now, the inventor of mRNA technologies at Robert Malone. says that JFK, RFK Jr. received a classified briefing on UFOs, UAPs, and whether they could be interdimensional beings or time travelers. Malone claims a federal investigator told him alien encounters are ramping up and confirms they're real. Malone's a very credible, serious guy. I know he's very close to Kennedy, so I'm sure this is true. And I know Kennedy's being brought into a whole bunch of areas, that's been confirmed.

22:04 like finding the missing kids and things, because they were actually trying to hide that in HHS. So this is a really powerful position he was put into. Here's the clip so Daniel Liss can respond to us. The other day I had two FBI agents come to the farm. Oh yeah. To interview me about what I'd experienced during the censorship and defamation and all that during COVID. That's why because they they were launching an investigation about the people that were doing this kind of stuff, including within the federal government. Wow. And as they were going out the door, we had our the woman, Justine, that is our kind of our special person within Malone dot news that focuses on UAPs.

22:56 And so she was there and she couldn't, she just couldn't help herself. She asked, do you know anything about the UAPs? And one of them piped up and said, in the investigation, she said, well, I can't talk about it because I'm actively involved in supporting those investigations, but I can tell you that a lot more activity is happening now. That's data point number one, and that they're real. Okay, data point number two. I'm talking to my friend and mentioned this while we're on the boat and he says, oh, Bobby had a briefing and all of this stuff is true. Roswell, all those things, the reverse engineering, the origin of the night vision,

24:00 A whole bunch of this tech comes out of reverse engineering recovered material. And so stay tuned on that. It sounds like there is absolutely there there. And we can look forward to, as you're talking about the future, we can look forward to learning a lot more about what the heck is going on with these, whether they're time travelers and they're humans coming back, or they're from another dimension, or they're whatever, fill in the blank. But apparently it's real.

24:41 I'm such a UFO head. All right, so there's a lot to unpack there. First off, I've talked to the Justice Department. I've been contacted the weaponization against me. Now Malone's got him coming to see him about how he got censored and targeted. That came out as one of the names in the State Department file that came out. I'm one of the cameos as well. But the FBI sent me my part of my secret file since Obama first targeted me in 2013. So there's a lot of action there. That's a big piece. That's totally separate. And then RRK Jr. close confidant being he's read in on this. And then you see all the action by Trump saying we now control time and space. And his head scientist saying that clearly they're getting ready for major disclosure of some type. The question is, do we trust Trump and his group for that? And we know that there's actually the other group competing with him. This is an incredible time to be alive. But regardless, do you agree with me, Daniel, as our journalist, that clearly we're on the cusp of something big.

25:40 There's no question, this is huge. And I wanna say also that some of the things that they did with you with the legal jeopardy and all the things that they were pushing, I think a lot of that is timed around when you started opening up more on the UFO file action itself. Because they're afraid of that type of thing, of that type of bringing forward the issue to a large scale audience from a perspective that's not the intelligence community perspective. So that's just a little something to keep in mind, but you're absolutely right. And this does get tricky, of course, because the Trump group itself has the long history with the UFO file. And they certainly have more of a transparency piece with it, especially with Kennedy in there, Kennedy's family.

26:25 Remember, John F Kennedy in large part was assassinated over the UFO file. This is the crucial thing we've tried to bring forward. There's a number of pieces of documents. There's a number of testimonies about this. And the reason would be that the people who were in charge of NASA and that whole militarization of space aspect back in that period of the 1960s, we were We were at a fork in the road, it was gonna go one way or the other. Kennedy's thing was, let's bring forward peace in space, let's make it a science zone, a war-free zone. And that was anathema to them because they thought they had this incredible advantage. And then finally, Kennedy, in the background, it's come out through people like Khrushchev's son and others.

27:07 was working with Khrushchev on a joint moon mission. So the entire space program now is gonna be the United States and Russia. And ever since that, there are earlier versions of this, but ever since that, the highest level ranking people on the deep state side, who are inside the government, have prevented those leaders from getting together without their interpreters there without their CIA influence, without the State Department involved. And whenever you get around this, especially with Trump and Putin, there was a big moment around this where they just By implicating him, as we know in the false Russia collusion story, they kept the communication down to an absolute minimum because it would have looked like, look, he's a traitor to the country. That's right, even Bolton documents came out last week where they gave him Trump fake briefings, which Harry Reid said they would do when Trump was first elected.

27:59 And he also said that they would lie to him and then just not give him any intel on anything. And that was about everything. So that was a coup. And that's why they got rid of Flynn so quickly. It was just a bunch of traitors around him, keeping him in the dark. Yes, and that's interesting too because they have to keep Trump out of the loop on a number of things. They've tried, but he has those inside sources and he has the sources including all the way back to the late President Nixon who he became good friends with. And that's something I put on the record and what came out later through the Nixon Foundation was 300 personal letters exchanged.

30:01 Audio pack was coming back from getting a glass of water fell off and bounce and broke into pieces I was on the hallway trying to put it back together, but I'm here Technology so Stuff is breaking so fast. My head is spinning even during the break I mean, it's this acceleration this quickening of information, but I tell you I've done a lot of research So I know what I'm talking to somebody that knows what they're talking about and then on a particular subjects knows more than I do That's dark journalist hanging a list People think the average person that intelligence agencies and groups have the best information What they are especially with big empires and countries is layers of lies and deceit and control Mainly of the government the corporations to keep their own employees and people not knowing what's going on So that's why Trump early on about a year into his first term Said I'm not taking the national security briefings anymore because he knew it was all crap and he would make constant phone calls to all the people he knew and

30:57 former current government corporations, you name it, to find out what's really happening. So when Daniel List says that, there's a lot of knowledge there, cuz still most Trump supporters still don't get that. They go, the Trump administration did this, Trump's behind it, support it. And if something doesn't look good in almost every case, it isn't Trump. And we go tell him, people tell him literally and he reverses course. Look, Roger doesn't want the credit, And he's not the only one, but he's not the only one. But Trump a month ago comes out and says, I don't want the Epstein looked at anymore. It's a diversion. It's a hoax, doesn't clarify. I mean, the Democrats have the files where they're gonna put out as to be what they want out. Move along. And I said, that's a horrible strategy and effects gonna blow up your face. And then I started learning more what's happening behind the scenes. And Roger did too, long time confidant, 50 years, 40 year confidant, runs up there seven days in the White House.

32:00 And then comes out and tells me stuff behind the scenes, not anything secret, but then he tells the listeners a lot of stuff. Hey, listen, I don't wanna get the credit for stuff, just stop, don't get me killed. I'm like, Roger, they already know that they've been there, you're telling them. You notice, suddenly Trump goes, okay, we're gonna release it all, we're gonna come after him, and it's Bill Clinton, and it's the head of Harvard, and it's all them. And now all of a sudden, the Republicans are subpoenaing all the big globalist kingpins, all the big Democrats, all the FBI heads, the CIA people, and they are in full panic mode. And that is directly from General Flynn, Roger Stone, and others,

32:36 And him getting stuff off the air and the clips he sees and all the rest of it hearing from you, hearing from me. So this big push to have everybody shut up, whatever comes out of the administration, it's 50 trillion DHS. Don't ask questions. No, he's one guy with 3 million people under him. So dark journalist analyst, I'm ranting, but just on that topic, that is so important. There's no question and you're absolutely right. Interesting to me too, because I think that you've done a good job when these things have come up to separate Trump from the policy at times, which is very important to do. Because of the amount of people around him and influencing him and some of those people in the grand scheme of things may have to go. And we know that it's a tremendous administration in terms of people that you have in there on the inside, like Tulsi, like RFK and others.

33:24 who are against tremendous headwinds making a lot of progress in certain areas. In other areas, they find themselves stumped even though they're in power because the impressive power of the deep state held in there, sanctioned in there year after year after year. I think at times Trump has thought he could play the game of inside outside with some with some of this. And now he's just really trying to move forward and do the entire Trump agenda going forward here. One of the things I think that's tricky is when we get into the Golden Dome, the amount of people around it and how that thing can be flipped. And presumably this is a dome that will cover the entire United States as some kind of electronic blanket that can shoot down these incoming missiles. Very important project because the first version as I mentioned came under

34:14 President Reagan. And President Reagan thought as a shield after he was shown the deep, deep UFO files of what they were looking at in terms of UFOs in space. that is outside the atmosphere coming in. So they use this in order to scare him, and he had a background around this all the way to his background in California as the governor about knowing about the UFO file. So he put it front and center toward the end of his tenure in a in 87 and 88, suddenly he's talking about UFOs a lot. He's trying to put things in place for it and he won't give up Star Wars when he goes to these various meetings with Gorbachev and others. That process is very important when you consider Trump now up against Putin and a lot of the tough language now against Putin that's going on as well. A lot of that doesn't look very good in terms of the nuclear situation as well. One of the things that I'm hearing

35:12 And I'm not big on predictions, so you can tell this is kind of a rare one. But what I was hearing just before this announcement about them making a nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030, announced by the interim NASA secretary, Sean Duffy It's very interesting to me because what I was hearing was that on September 19th, there was gonna be a nuclear announcement out of the Trump administration that would relate directly to the UFO file. And that the cover of some of these things is gonna be under the word of new technologies. And they're gonna tie it in with the nuclear thing. In fact, though, they'll be talking about the UFO file.

35:50 Now, it's very interesting to me that that is the period of when the UN speeches will be going on and all of that. So this is what we could be looking for. Part of the thing that Loeb has tried to push in there was that, we're gonna be able to see this 3i Atlas UFO threat coming into the system on Halloween. of all dates. That's the actual date that he selected. So I think there's something going on in the background. And part of this may relate to an exhibit I put up there, which is something called the Nebra Stone, which is a very old artifact found in Germany that has an astronomical set up to it that they can't ascribe when normal civilization from that period.

36:34 And the Nieper stone I think is the first exhibit there. This stone, which they found in 1999, seems to have really had a huge impact on astronomers who can't figure out, it appears to show a future forecasting of a disaster type scenario. Now some of the astronomers think it's recording in the past scenario of an incredible destruction that took place. But if this is the future and if this is the thing that they're calculating with, they might be thinking that anything that relates to this stone, including this object, relates to this astronomical setup that we're in. They could be using a completely different timetable on that side, on the elite side, the calculation side.

37:17 And everyone goes around talking about, well, there's a geophysical event and that's why they're making all the bunkers. Well, geophysical is a tricky term. A pulse shift is a much more accurate term in this regard. And I think in terms of underground bunkers, the first place you investigate, because I think now it's getting thrown around like a billionaire underground bunkers. Look, COG dominates. in terms of the underground bunkers. That's number one. Two, the people like Zuckerberg and others are in with that group. And so that's how they can plan to be part of that network of underground bunkers. But it's not like they're on their own island and controlling things because COG owns that underground base. They're the ones who control that on our side. So

36:34 And the Nieper stone I think is the first exhibit there. This stone, which they found in 1999, seems to have really had a huge impact on astronomers who can't figure out, it appears to show a future forecasting of a disaster type scenario. Now some of the astronomers think it's recording in the past scenario of an incredible destruction that took place. But if this is the future and if this is the thing that they're calculating with, they might be thinking that anything that relates to this stone, including this object, relates to this astronomical setup that we're in. They could be using a completely different timetable on that side, on the elite side, the calculation side.

37:17 And everyone goes around talking about, well, there's a geophysical event and that's why they're making all the bunkers. Well, geophysical is a tricky term. A pulse shift is a much more accurate term in this regard. And I think in terms of underground bunkers, the first place you investigate, because I think now it's getting thrown around like a billionaire underground bunkers. Look, COG dominates. in terms of the underground bunkers. That's number one. Two, the people like Zuckerberg and others are in with that group. And so that's how they can plan to be part of that network of underground bunkers. But it's not like they're on their own island and controlling things because COG owns that underground base. They're the ones who control that on our side. So

38:00 So that infrastructure has been put in place. It was being built during the Eisenhower administration when they were making all the highways. We need to understand that there's an entirely secret separate system that's being involved and we're seeing surface flashes. So when we see clashes, for example, over the secrecy around the UFO file, when we see these things about Trump talking about weapons that can control time and space. Or you mentioned something about Sean Ryan's show. Well, Stephen Quast was on there, of course, maybe about two months ago talking directly about how the Trump family had inherited the Tesla technology, which is something we put forward in our documentary Tesla, Trump and the Time Capsule. This has to be understood that at least when these people get together, that when they are staring off against each other, that we

38:51 one of the things that they had a problem with Trump over wasn't just that he was an outsider with his own clout and his own edge of the deep state. What they had was that he was on an equal level with them on these things. And so that they couldn't stand. So regardless of if somebody was in favor of Trump or not, we have to understand the level and why the deep state is upset about dealing with him directly. I think that's important. And John Trump is a very interesting key in all this. Sure, they never want presidents to know what's going on. Yes, exactly. Look at Biden and Harris. They're the new prototype of literally people that are brain damaged as a puppet. So they can run the auto pen and that's the perfect example of the deep state at the surface. 100% the last year he had no idea what went on. Only 25% the years before. I mean it's even lower numbers than that. He was literally out to lunch.

39:44 Well, Alex, who was running? And I mean, you really covered this so closely from the beginning with Biden that he was already checked out from day one. So who was running that auto pen? Who was running it in your opinion? Well, I mean, we know the name of a couple of assistants that would physically do it, but it was a, actually Roger Stone broke this before they even stole the election in 2020. He told me probably, so they're gonna steal the election. Trump isn't gonna have as big a landslide this time as people think he's invincible. The Q stuff he says is gonna lose the election for us. And he said people are just asleep, they think he's invincible. So that we have to have a landslide override the fraud and those numbers are known. And he said, so Obama's already getting a building a mile from the White House and he's already staffing it all. They're gonna have a committee and he even listed the lawyers, the names that became the people. This is before the election, about three weeks before. And he goes, and then they're just gonna basically run it off an auto pen. And then he said it right after they stole it. He's on record saying all that, but he named the names like a few months later. Like, oh, I'm so sad Trump lost. But that's how smart Roger is.

40:46 Because when you see Roger on air is like what he says the public and it's all true, you know It's not a lie, but he only tells people so much but behind the scenes he's dialed into everything and so it was it was it was a source of Obama Hillary and the groups they report to and then and then and then Biden's wife would it would be able to like, you know Well, I'll go to him if you don't give me this, but she mainly just want money. I Yes, yeah, and we know she had a tremendous problem having Harris as the nominee. There's no question about that. It is very fascinating. I think this is gonna be studied for decades about what happened during the Biden presidency. And very, very unusual to have someone there who's totally controlled and obviously not in control of his faculties. So now on the world stage, they all know they're dealing with somebody who has an agenda. And that's actually good for the United States in my opinion on so many levels. I think there is something, there's some statecraft involved with the Trump presidency that needs to be there.

41:47 more so than getting into these issues with allies, for example. But I do think it's important part of the thing, and you do it so well on this show, which is to cover the Trump presidency to really understand the things that he's trying to do in terms of restoring America. But also to keep an eye on that entire group around the presidency because it's a very, very It's an interesting position in this sense that it's so manipulated, but it's still the most important position on the entire planet. Bringing in the wild card again. I'm not a Israel obsessed person I don't think Israel runs everything but clearly it's been involved and heavily in the deep state a big partner in it But to me with the Democrats as a just array I see Netanyahu and his coterie of people really trying to come in administration not just on foreign policy but on censorship and all sorts of weirdness and It's enraging Trump's base

40:46 Because when you see Roger on air is like what he says the public and it's all true, you know It's not a lie, but he only tells people so much but behind the scenes he's dialed into everything and so it was it was it was a source of Obama Hillary and the groups they report to and then and then and then Biden's wife would it would be able to like, you know Well, I'll go to him if you don't give me this, but she mainly just want money. I Yes, yeah, and we know she had a tremendous problem having Harris as the nominee. There's no question about that. It is very fascinating. I think this is gonna be studied for decades about what happened during the Biden presidency. And very, very unusual to have someone there who's totally controlled and obviously not in control of his faculties. So now on the world stage, they all know they're dealing with somebody who has an agenda. And that's actually good for the United States in my opinion on so many levels. I think there is something, there's some statecraft involved with the Trump presidency that needs to be there.

41:47 more so than getting into these issues with allies, for example. But I do think it's important part of the thing, and you do it so well on this show, which is to cover the Trump presidency to really understand the things that he's trying to do in terms of restoring America. But also to keep an eye on that entire group around the presidency because it's a very, very It's an interesting position in this sense that it's so manipulated, but it's still the most important position on the entire planet. Bringing in the wild card again. I'm not a Israel obsessed person I don't think Israel runs everything but clearly it's been involved and heavily in the deep state a big partner in it But to me with the Democrats as a just array I see Netanyahu and his coterie of people really trying to come in administration not just on foreign policy but on censorship and all sorts of weirdness and It's enraging Trump's base

42:41 Not even because on average they hate Israel, but because they're America first. We wouldn't want the Chinese or the British or the Mexican government running our government. Yes, there's no question about it. And you pointed it out, they may have actually pulled back a policy because of what you pointed out immediately about that Homeland Security directive that would remove, if you didn't pledge allegiance to Israel, it would remove the disaster aid, which is absurd. And they did, they pulled it within 24 hours of you bringing it up. So I think- Well, I think everybody got pissed, but yeah, our listeners contributed, but yeah, people were like, what? That's a misstep, but see if he can catch the misstep and bring it back within 24 hours, you're in good shape. I think that- Trump didn't even know about that and killed it. It happens all the time. I've confirmed it many times. Yeah, I believe it. You see it in press conferences now that he's brought in more independent press, which horrifies the establishment. And all the time they say, sir, you know about this? Really, is that true? He'll say, write that, and he'll, I'll check on it. Hours later, he'll sign an executive order or fire somebody. So you see, it's all about access, cuz yeah.

43:41 Well, they've had that control. It's very important what you're mentioning here because the media itself became an arm of this other thing. So at a certain point, even if you go back and study the history in the 70s and 80s, there was a back and forth in that media. There were multiple opinions. What they try to do by 2020 was centralize the entire thing. So that type of journalism just became an arm of the state. And And they were the type of arm of the state that would put you in prison for saying the wrong thing. Well, that's so close. It's razor close to a Nazi regime. How close did we get there in 2020 to a Nazi regime? I would say incredibly. Let's be clear. They went for total totalitarian soft coup behind the scenes.

44:20 And I love that Robert Malone interview where just as a side, the FBI was there investigating how they censored me and targeted me. Cuz I mean, I've talked to him too, I'm just gonna stop there. They are doing these investigations. So folks, they're not just doing these for no reason, so I'm telling people. They have Ed Martin's task force, Al Terrell Government Weather Organization, and that's the one with Malone. And they're gathering the data, so something's going on. There's no question, but you notice the interesting thing that Malone said in all of that, that grabbed me the most, even more so than that Bobby was getting briefings, which is quite unusual if you think about it under normal circumstances. But what Malone said was that all of this activity is ramping up. That's what the FBI people told him about the UFO file. That is interesting. One of the things that got revealed earlier this year, because when the

45:07 when the Trump administration was going through these different FBI agents looking at who was involved in J6 and trying to get them out of there. They were put out a directive to the public, through anonymous sources to Politico and others saying, we have a UAP working group in the FBI. And we wanna make sure we're protected from this happening, from us getting thrown out because our work is too important not to have continuity. This is very, very strange because everyone points to the Air Force, the CIA and others. But the FBI has been dropped off the radar in terms of the UFO file. The discovery of a working group self-proclaimed inside there is news. And it's something that got completely missed because-. Well, that's key. The FBI's gone something like 60% intelligence operation in the last 20 years or so, or since 25. And that's a big issue. Notice, turns out,

44:20 And I love that Robert Malone interview where just as a side, the FBI was there investigating how they censored me and targeted me. Cuz I mean, I've talked to him too, I'm just gonna stop there. They are doing these investigations. So folks, they're not just doing these for no reason, so I'm telling people. They have Ed Martin's task force, Al Terrell Government Weather Organization, and that's the one with Malone. And they're gathering the data, so something's going on. There's no question, but you notice the interesting thing that Malone said in all of that, that grabbed me the most, even more so than that Bobby was getting briefings, which is quite unusual if you think about it under normal circumstances. But what Malone said was that all of this activity is ramping up. That's what the FBI people told him about the UFO file. That is interesting. One of the things that got revealed earlier this year, because when the

45:07 when the Trump administration was going through these different FBI agents looking at who was involved in J6 and trying to get them out of there. They were put out a directive to the public, through anonymous sources to Politico and others saying, we have a UAP working group in the FBI. And we wanna make sure we're protected from this happening, from us getting thrown out because our work is too important not to have continuity. This is very, very strange because everyone points to the Air Force, the CIA and others. But the FBI has been dropped off the radar in terms of the UFO file. The discovery of a working group self-proclaimed inside there is news. And it's something that got completely missed because-. Well, that's key. The FBI's gone something like 60% intelligence operation in the last 20 years or so, or since 25. And that's a big issue. Notice, turns out,

46:02 They, the DOJ leaked it today. Of course, we already knew it. Epstein was FBI going back to Mueller, right through Comey. That's why they came to Trump and said, shut it down. It's our operation, CIA, FBI. And I've said that for a long time ago. No, it's FBI too. And they go, oh, they're not involved. You're coming up for Mossad. No, they're all involved. At the top of these agencies, folks, they're all the same group. There's no question and think about Hoover's role. He's the one who set the entire tone for the FBI. I haven't seen any evidence that the FBI or the CIA has reformed at all. As a matter of fact, with the setup for the assassination of Julian Assange by Pompeo and others, they were doing something completely outside of the desires of the President of the United States who was Trump at the time, this is 2019.

46:50 So those groups are operating with their own mandate. Look, the Central Intelligence Agency, people don't understand this, I think generally, they have their own air force, okay? And Homeland Security, there's 275,000 people associated with that agency, which did not exist before 9-11. Northcom did not exist before 9-11. Now they control all the emergency powers. I mean, this is a very dangerous situation. And when you turn the entire situation of the United States around, as some policies of the Trump administration are doing, you'd like to see more action and others. But how do you get to that most secret layer? This is what they need the congressional hearings on. And they said, we're gonna have JFK hearings, we're gonna have UFO hearings.

47:32 They've been pretty lightweight so far and I'll tell you the reason why because the same guys who roll themselves out as these Intel whistleblowers, they don't want to show up for the real thing. So when they skiff gets called, these people say, I'm sick, I can't make it and all the rest, because they don't want to be on record because they don't have the true Intel. They've been sent out there as pawns of this intelligence group to spread this whole kind of UFO. Now what you said is just key. Congress invites them because they have You know, the classification power to see it. They say, interesting captain. Can you come here next Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday? We want to meet with you. We'd like to bring you to the skiff. They go, Oh no, no, no. Cause they're going to go in there and not know what any of it is and be shown as frauds.

48:11 Exactly and also one of the main guys in all this and I won't even say his name at this but I talked to him and he told me that he was being controlled by the DoD billionaire and he couldn't come on my show and he could only say certain things and he could only appear at these places and all the rest and My advice to him was get the hell out of there You know if you have something real to tell you can't be controlled by that whole system and that's a lot of these guys I watch testify They're like, I was told this and I was told that. That's the standard deal. They even believe it. And now they're getting all this attention and money. They're just passing on BS. They're not even eyewitnesses. Exactly. It's third hand. It's this guy told me and he saw it. And that whole thing creates a situation which legally wouldn't be admissible at all. So that's the standard when it comes to this. I'll tell you another thing about this, which is

48:59 The program, one of the things we were able to force the government to admit to was the blue program. The blue program is the key to how to track how the UFO file has been kept secret and moved through different agencies through Steganov. And then notice all these big tech types, everybody all named their companies blue. It is, yes. Look at Blue Origin into space, right? And their X-steganography competing with SpaceX for this. And they're going deep. The nuclear reactor might be directly in response to what Musk and Bezos are into, going into this whole idea about space. And I'll tell you this, I talked to a guy who comes on the program often, who was an AFOSI officer. And

49:41 And that's secret inside of the Air Force. And he told me we already have boots on the ground on Mars, already done it. So think about it, we're already there. So everything you and I are talking about, everything that's playing out, even the clashes are maybe 25, 30 years behind what's actually taking place. Well, I mean, I know this, it's been documented that most technologies we see are 30 to 40 years old. And they still say the SR-71 Blackbird's the fastest plane in service in the 50s. Yes, and it's fascinating because this is an important thing that came up in relation to that Bobby briefing, which is Bobby getting the briefing on Roswell. It's particularly interesting that Roswell came up because Roswell was something that was put on the map by Marcel, the officer coming out 30 years later and describing what happened. That's why I think it's so authentic.

50:28 But what's interesting to me about Roswell is there was a guy named Philip Corso who handled the material after the fact, came out at the end of his life to talk about these things. And his Wikipedia in the middle of this hubbub around Bobby getting a Roswell briefing got removed very, very mysteriously from Wikipedia. Why would you do it? No, Malone is all about credibility. You know, to the point of being too conservative, he would not make that up. Plus, I can call Kennedy up and he wouldn't tell me. The point is we already know all this from reverse-engineered research we've done. Can you do a little bit more, though, on some of these guys that are putting these stories out and just not be mean to them? I don't mean to them, but just whether you think it's credible or not?

53:54 Daniel, I want to look at some of these people, these folks that look coordinated to me. I'm not attacking them and how their stories are all vague. And then I could go deep on each one of them, obviously, knowing the background of how this stuff works. But just in general, what would you call this moment in history? Because I can feel it, you can feel it, we can intellectually see it. Everybody else that's really not awake, a lot of folks are awake, but those that aren't awake are freaked out because their subconscious, the collective unconscious, understands it. We're conscious trying to understand it, so we're a little less freaked out, I think. I don't know if I'm speaking for you, but imagine someone not conscious of this, but unconsciously and subconsciously they are. That's why people are so freaked out, because I'm in between scared, happy, exhilarated, super excited. I mean, how could anybody be bored right now? What would you call this moment in time?

54:41 This is definitely the unmasking of the intelligence community. That's a major aspect of it because they've been in control of all these various subjects from the Kennedy assassination to UFOs to CERN to our ancient past. They've kept the lid on it. And that's on the establishment side because it's not that they don't believe in it. It's that they've kept it for themselves. As we know, they've worked on these things. They wanted industry out of these things. They want to control of these things. It's interesting to look back at the very beginning of the Central Intelligence Agency and you see Alan Dulles there. And he's at Sullivan and Cromwell drawing up the charter for CIA. It's not even a military organization when you think of it that way. It's a lawyer organization and what were Sullivan and Cromwell so good at? They were dealing with international finance. So these groups that wanted to put certain people together and really organize on a corporate level what they could do with America's

55:36 dominant power throughout the world went directly through these intelligence agents. But the problem is there's such a schizophrenic level because the development on their part, the way science works is when you get one breakthrough going, the other guy picks it up, the other woman picks it up and it goes on and you get all these incredible developments. Well, in this case, if you keep that science secret and you develop it in the background for 80 years, you take it out of the loop of the public. And then at a certain point, you're gonna have to bring that back in for a number of reasons. You've developed it, you've checked it out, you wanna make the billions on it, you also wanna centralize the control. But the public doesn't know that you've been working with

56:14 UFO technology, for example, we'll start with that one. They don't know you've been working on this apotheum effect in the background. So how do you break that information back in from this group that took the breakaway tech and developed it over here on the side? So when we see all these CIA people coming out after the CIA was the main blocker on the UFO topic for decades, they were the one who discredited the people who came forward. And in some cases even bumped off certain researchers and political figures in relation, that's the expert tech group inside. When you look at that and you really see what the control, the level of control that they've been able to exhibit over American society, it's phenomenal. Well, when those people come out and say, well, the aliens are here and they're a threat and we need this UFO defense office through the NDAA, you know we're at a pivotal crossroads. I mean, this is almost a biblical revelations type clash.

57:06 Because you can't have those forces come in and take over the narrative of humanity and the origin story of humanity and bring in those types of emergency powers. So you have to expose it on one hand, but then what happens when they're exposed and you're looking at them and you know what they're up to on this issue? That's the crucial crossroads I think that we're looking at. And we've been looking at it ever since really we developed nuclear technology because the UFO file became a central force and a central figure in all of that. And so this is the nature of the time that we're in. And I can only think of you when you know, as the kind of architect of the alternative media, what you must think of all these things coming true after you put them out there for so long.

57:53 Incredibly said, man, we gotta get you on for like a three hour commercial free podcast. He's sitting like 100 exhibits and I do just boom, boom. Because I'm telling you folks, all I do is study this stuff and just Daniel gets it all at every level, he's better than I can. He just sees it and once you see it, you can't unsee it and something big is about to happen. We'll be right back with Trump making a bizarre hand gesture. All right, ladies and gentlemen, you can see the headline at Drugs Report. Trump makes bizarre hand gesture. and he was outside of the White House, and you can say he was pointing up at the White House, but it's, look, we have AOC, we have

58:35 Pocahontas, we have them all making this hand gesture. And the left is so deceptive that if I make a Roman salute, and the Romans did this too, and then thousands of years later, Mussolini did this. And so Hitler kind of copied Mussolini in the uniforms and the goose stepping and all of it. And so that's the salute, but forevermore, that's the Nazi salute. Now I'm demonstrating it. People will take that and say Jones is making Hitler salutes. No, I'm demonstrating it. Like if I say UT football is hook them horns, and that doesn't always mean you're worshipping the devil. Actually, it goes back to Italy as well, as you ward off the devil with it. It's the opposite of that. You actually study where that comes from. But my enemies, both on the fake left and fake right, will now take those images, and they will say that I was highly Hitler and worshipping the devil. No, it's all the intention.

59:27 But I will tell you, whatever message it is, it would be politically incorrect. I don't think Elon Musk is a secret Nazi. I don't think Trump is a secret Nazi. But at a certain point, the way Musk did it, where he snapped two and all the rest of it, like Dr. Strange, I can walk. I mean, that was like boom, hits his chest and salutes. But it is a classic human salute. It's like when I've raised my fist before at right wing events, I saw on right wing news articles like 25 years ago, Jones is really a communist. He's making a raised fist. No, the raised fist is an ancient symbol of resistance, okay? So I'm simply here showing people different, and I know most of the audience knows that you're probably like,

1:00:18 We're not five years old, Alex, we know that. I know, but people take things out of context to deceive. And so they will take all that out of context. But I'm being honest, the Elon thing looks deliberate, just be politically incorrect, I think he did, be rebellious. I don't know about Trump. Let's roll the video with audio of Trump just 30 minutes ago. What do you wanna build? What are you trying to build? Sir, do you approve

1:01:02 You're saying more missiles? Are you building missiles? What? Come on, dad. Did you say missiles? Taking over all of Gaza, sir. All right, so Trump's the famous joker. That was not intentional. He's saying missiles. That's a classic way to describe you're firing missiles is so and I'm not even defending Trump. That is my take. We can get Daniel List, our journalist, take on that. But this is gonna be a new, giant, obvious fiasco. And then we start with the memes. Please get somebody in there to take Trump doing that.

1:01:47 Then put up AOC doing it and say and then under it maybe Elizabeth Warren and then maybe Chuck Schumer. They've all done it and then put on there. We're all Hitler now Put it out immediately with an info wars at the bottom. This is hilarious Sorry, Daniel. Let's let me to keep you holding while I'm ranting. What do you make of this news fiasco? You always have to be careful when you're Trump and you get around these things. Musk was in a lot more danger with what he was doing. And I think in fact, because he had just given a speech in Germany to this group that it was just him kind of blowing off steam, but he has a tendency not to care. And I think it would be in general, I think with Musk, he's another one who needs to really practice a lot more statecraft when you get around these things. Because people can take the stuff and really run it over the coals and

1:02:39 the really liberal aspects of the news media. Really will take that and just convince their people that this is a Nazi salute and you should send us donations to the next leftist candidate. Look, we're up here in Boston, we have the most liberal mayor, the most liberal governor and they feed the public up here all this crap all the time about about how everywhere you go it's like, Trump is the king and Elon is Hitler. I mean, that's just the way that they do it. So they know what to feed to their audience in order to get those political donations going and they will feed that image. I gotta tell you, I like Elon Musk overall, he's a trailblazer, amazing. I think he got fired up aggressively, under attack, being politically incorrect, tired of being called a Nazi, did it as a joke.

1:03:23 And then with Trump, the 100%, he makes a joke about nuclear missiles on the roof. What are you doing up there? And by the way, they do have anti-aircraft missiles on the roof of the White House. That's no secret. Handheld in. I mean, I've seen it. That's on record. You'll see Trump when he gives a speech or others look at a building, you see guys with high tech stingers up there. So he makes a joke about nukes on the roof and they're going to say a Hitler salute. I mean, this is hilarious, but clearly he's saying firing missiles. I mean, is that what you get from this, Daniel? Absolutely, yeah. This is a total nothing, but they will make something out of it just for the heck of it. And Trump is so used to that as well. I'll tell you what's interesting is the vision of Trump with Musk before the big falling out, which I still think is kind of a disaster in that sense. And I think that Musk maybe

1:04:17 precipitated a lot of it. But when they were hanging out together and watching the launches of SpaceX and all the rest, they were conjuring up that image of Von Braun with Kennedy looking at the launch of those S-4 missiles and all the rest. And there was an incredible tie over there, I think, to the technology edge with the power of the presidency overruling that thing. And you just showed Vance there, he He just went and said, I'm gonna take the whole August recess and study UFOs because I'm fascinated. I'm obsessed with UFOs. Well, now we have the VP talking about UFOs, Malone talking about briefings with Kennedy and UFOs. So the UFO part is in the center of the crux of all this. And people behind the scenes know it, and they've been trying to figure out how to bring that forward to the public in a way that preserves their position.

1:05:11 And so the threat is a major piece of how they can do this. And I think with groups like Trump and Trump's group, they're really looking at it and saying, how can we move this forward in a way that puts it back under executive control? And that's been the thing that Eisenhower lost the executive control of the UFO file. We've been battling with it now over 60 years. This has been going up and down and up and down through Nixon, through Reagan, through Trump and these other figures. And other figures who are just completely out of loop didn't know anything about the UFO file. Guys like Obama, I don't think were involved at all. It is interesting to note that Obama's production company is funding the story of Betty and Barney Hill for a Netflix movie. And that whole thing is Obama's production company

1:06:02 They're doing it and that's the first major story. And you've been saying this for a long time, for years, that this building, it's clearly everywhere now. I forgot, Vance, I'm taking the month of August off to study UFOs. I mean, they're clearly signaling when all this comes out that they were ahead of the curve. Alex, what kind of reality are we in when the VP is saying, I'm going to take the summer off to study UFOs? I mean, this is a very, very unusual situation. And I know you have a lot of sources you believe are credible and have been definitely in the secret space aeronautics program. What are they telling you? They're definitely saying it's what the FBI people told Malone that there's an acceleration that's taking place. But one of the things that they're very, very far behind on the CIA intelligence community, and that includes the NGA and others. They've all been working in coordinating together. They had Averill Haynes as a major UFO UAP coordinator, now she's out. So they have been trying to move this into the center.

1:07:03 They moved it into congressional hearings, they moved it into these other places. And they had guys like Elizondo who were total counterintelligence agents out there promoting a UFO threat going on Fox, going on CNN and really being the center of all this. Whenever you would see UFOs, you'd always see him in the same picture of the TTSA, go fast UFO. That's what they created. In fact, there's been 70, 80, 90 years of UFO reporting, if you look at it, and there's all of this background. And it's been exploited into movies and everything else. But you've had really solid researchers, guys like John Mack and others there. What's going on now is the total centralization between the intelligence community and this DoD billionaire I've mentioned, Chris Mellon, who we've exposed on our show as being at the center of controlling these whistleblowers. And the idea there, and as I mentioned, we've had his cousin on, John Warner, so I get it from a very good source.

1:06:02 They're doing it and that's the first major story. And you've been saying this for a long time, for years, that this building, it's clearly everywhere now. I forgot, Vance, I'm taking the month of August off to study UFOs. I mean, they're clearly signaling when all this comes out that they were ahead of the curve. Alex, what kind of reality are we in when the VP is saying, I'm going to take the summer off to study UFOs? I mean, this is a very, very unusual situation. And I know you have a lot of sources you believe are credible and have been definitely in the secret space aeronautics program. What are they telling you? They're definitely saying it's what the FBI people told Malone that there's an acceleration that's taking place. But one of the things that they're very, very far behind on the CIA intelligence community, and that includes the NGA and others. They've all been working in coordinating together. They had Averill Haynes as a major UFO UAP coordinator, now she's out. So they have been trying to move this into the center.

1:07:03 They moved it into congressional hearings, they moved it into these other places. And they had guys like Elizondo who were total counterintelligence agents out there promoting a UFO threat going on Fox, going on CNN and really being the center of all this. Whenever you would see UFOs, you'd always see him in the same picture of the TTSA, go fast UFO. That's what they created. In fact, there's been 70, 80, 90 years of UFO reporting, if you look at it, and there's all of this background. And it's been exploited into movies and everything else. But you've had really solid researchers, guys like John Mack and others there. What's going on now is the total centralization between the intelligence community and this DoD billionaire I've mentioned, Chris Mellon, who we've exposed on our show as being at the center of controlling these whistleblowers. And the idea there, and as I mentioned, we've had his cousin on, John Warner, so I get it from a very good source.

1:07:59 John Warner IV, who is the son of John Warner, the late senator from Virginia. And he's like, well, Chris is running the UFO threat for the DOD intelligence side. So that's what's going on. externally and the people like Jeremy Corbell, I'm not saying he's a bad guy, he can come on the show if he wants, but I look at the production, I look at him in January, they will tell you there is a ship on its way to Earth, that 100% BS, it's a lie, they're going to tell you. But see, if you want to put out it's a ship, people know if you say it's a ship, oh, you're a fear marker, but if they say they're gonna tell you it's a ship, it's not, again, that's how you really feed the story, that's what I pick up here, and I know some folks have, let's just say this from behind the scenes,

1:08:44 And there's a bunch of these guys, and I'm not saying they're bad actors. They just show up and just say all this stuff. And when it's all Gnostic, kind of Q-ish, where you can project whatever you want onto it, and then magically the object shows up, and those objects are always coming through. It really begs the question. This is part of a larger tapestry of these guys popping up everywhere. I'm not even trying to look for it. It's just everywhere. Boing, boing, boing, boing, boing. All these wild stories where if you're really on an army base and you're really in a teleportation room and you're really with space aliens and you go on shows, say your name and you were in that, they're going to come grab your ass. I mean, come on people.

1:09:24 Yeah, so let's go ahead and roll this clip of him talking about, oh, it's coming soon. And then right on time, here is the AI Atlas coming on. Here it is. But the lie is coming. All indications, like all of them, is that that lie is going to be that there is a craft slowly making its way to us here on Earth. And that is the lie they're going to want you to believe. It's nuanced.

1:10:02 how they explain that, the nature of that threat. But that 100% is the lie you are going to be told. You even got a date. People have been whispering a date for a long time now. I know where that lie comes from. I know specifically what document from the 70s initiated the idea of that lie. A classified document. That is the lie you will be told. You're gonna be told That there is a craft on its way to Earth. That's the lie. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I sent you two texts today with a year. Not from me. Nope. I'm not gonna propagate that lie. Not gonna be part of it. Not gonna say it to the camera. Everybody knows. And they show that this is the day. Just start paying attention. And they'll change the date, especially if they see this. You gotta love the music. Things will change.

1:11:11 Because maybe I'm trustworthy, maybe I'm worthy of your trust, maybe I've told you the truth the whole way through it, now you can verify it. If that's the case, then I'm fucking dangerous. You've been told the truth about UFOs for a long time now. It's been pretty orchestrated, it's been pretty clear, and it's using people that are telling the truth and want to tell the truth. Ultimately, they want you to know something. They want you to know UFOs are real. Thank God we're finally there. We're all there now. I wish you could look at the camera. But why they want you to know that truth now. I hope I'm wrong.

1:11:49 But it's terrifying. Think about it. Maybe it's good to get ahead of it. Call it out now, before they do it. I'll be called crazy. That's okay. Remember a week before, four or five days before they had the guy go around shooting the representatives in Minnesota. I said, you know, they'd probably shoot up some representatives somewhere, but they blame me and Trump that, you know, the day it happens. And then there's the roommate. Oh, he loves Alex Jones. He loves Trump. And then they find the wife with passports, a bunch of guns and other people. And the guy says, no, I actually work for, you know, Governor Walz.

1:12:34 The point is, is that the day I saw that guy, that's the fakest body language I've ever seen. They had all these former top FBI and Secret Service behaviorists say we've never seen something so fake. We ought to give that to some of those guys and ask them the body language. Cuz I don't have training in it, but does anybody watching that not see scripting, not see just off the chart disingenuousness? I mean, maybe, but on top of it, it's all nebulous. It's all I can't tell you. I've seen classified document. You can get up here and rattle off for hours. President saying the aliens are coming or we could stage an alien attack to unify the planet. We've got all

1:13:09 I mean, we can go on, but, but, but, you know, when we have Robert Malone on the HHS commission and compadon of Kennedy saying this, like, oh, we don't care about that. But, oh, look over here, this guy is, you know, with scary music's telling us, and I'm not singling this guy out. He's just emblematic of just hundreds of these guys I see flooding the zone. So what the hell's going on here? There's no question, that's the TMZification of the UFO file reporting. And Corbell is well known for that. He's a big marketeer in the middle of all this. And he and George Knapp got together and did the show and just promoted all these things. And a lot of the things that came out as a result of what they were showing like the jellyfish UFO and all those types of things turned out to be fake.

1:13:52 So for me, when I look at that stuff, I think of them as the marketing op because you have the marketing side and then you have the Intel side. And the Intel side, guys like Elizondo and all the rest on that end, and then you need the marketing people where the marketing op is lies. So you have two walls closing in on that, the marketing side of the UFO file and the CIA, NGA, NRO group. creating their own narratives and getting those out to the public. And the narratives are dangerous, especially when they go for the UFO threat side, make no mistake, it's very dangerous. And as you've mentioned, if you thought that COVID was a big deal with the lockdowns and everything, just wait till they get to the sky event of a UFO threat. There's no question about it. And it's interesting because on the Russian side, remember, they're very aware as well of the thing around the UFO file. They've been developing it for 70, 80 years.

1:14:47 their side. So we're not alone in all of this research that we can do this. So it's a tricky game with the intelligence agencies, what they let out and what our enemies can glean from what we let out. I'm not singling these guys out. There's dozens of these. It just I hear this. I see this. Oh, I'm Edward Keith Abbott ex-US Army 500th military brigade and this is what went on and in the real world if you did that you'd be disappeared. I can tell you right now with any of this stuff. So let's play clip 19. Here it is. The Cuneo tunnel is basically everything anybody ever says on a phone or on a computer. Those guys are down there and they're listening to everything. And there's one spot in there that this lieutenant was telling us about that he worked in, and it was called other worldly communications. I'm like,

1:13:52 So for me, when I look at that stuff, I think of them as the marketing op because you have the marketing side and then you have the Intel side. And the Intel side, guys like Elizondo and all the rest on that end, and then you need the marketing people where the marketing op is lies. So you have two walls closing in on that, the marketing side of the UFO file and the CIA, NGA, NRO group. creating their own narratives and getting those out to the public. And the narratives are dangerous, especially when they go for the UFO threat side, make no mistake, it's very dangerous. And as you've mentioned, if you thought that COVID was a big deal with the lockdowns and everything, just wait till they get to the sky event of a UFO threat. There's no question about it. And it's interesting because on the Russian side, remember, they're very aware as well of the thing around the UFO file. They've been developing it for 70, 80 years.

1:14:47 their side. So we're not alone in all of this research that we can do this. So it's a tricky game with the intelligence agencies, what they let out and what our enemies can glean from what we let out. I'm not singling these guys out. There's dozens of these. It just I hear this. I see this. Oh, I'm Edward Keith Abbott ex-US Army 500th military brigade and this is what went on and in the real world if you did that you'd be disappeared. I can tell you right now with any of this stuff. So let's play clip 19. Here it is. The Cuneo tunnel is basically everything anybody ever says on a phone or on a computer. Those guys are down there and they're listening to everything. And there's one spot in there that this lieutenant was telling us about that he worked in, and it was called other worldly communications. I'm like,

1:15:41 Why? He's like, there's only eight of us. No one enlisted, just officers. We're all linguists and we just listen all day to otherworldly communications. Come on now, if we're talking about aliens, who can communicate with an alien? And he said that we have been doing this for a very long time, that we're already traveling in space. And I remember seeing them coming down, they were wearing like black uniforms. Only thing on their sleeve was a blue circle with a red pointer coming up the top on the left. Darn, we were told they were space programs guys. This is 2007! A space program? What the hell is a space program? They were already in space, and on the moon. There is a dialect, and we do have linguists that understand the dialect. So then, two weeks later, a couple guys I knew that worked in the Cuneo Tunnel, I pulled aside and I said, listen man, that lieutenant said there's a place called Otherworldly Communications.

1:16:38 And they said, there is man, we can't even go in the hallway over there. And then you find out why we're in Iraq, because there's some artifacts that we have to get out of Iraq. We went to Iraq because we wanted to plunder some kind of artifacts they were looking for. He confirmed this. They said that there were some artifacts from God, who knows how long ago. that were extremely important and they were from other civilizations that came to Earth and started the whole program. The whole program, one of the officers said this, this is our fourth time, fourth civilization on Earth that has been this far or even further along than we are. Let's just hope we make it. What does that mean?

1:17:21 I hope we make it. Or is someone gonna take us all out? And he indicated with his eyes that, yeah, we could be taken out if we do it wrong. All right, so just going off the audio, that guy sounds to my brain, either a great actor, Al Pacino level, or he thinks he's telling the truth. But even Bill Cooper, who was a good guy and believed what he was saying, he talks about on air and also read his book, Pale Horse, he said, I was in this, you know, naval intelligence stuff and there were all these documents about UFOs and all this because I thought they might have been planning that to have me put the story out or something. He was even figuring that out and understanding that but then saw some crazy things later coming in and out of the ocean. So there's a lot to this. A lot of these guys aren't bad. They're being fed this info. I mean, what do you make of that? And then obviously that's the classic

1:18:11 Origin story, you know that's in all the ancient texts there and he's thinking he's getting for some classified thing. Go ahead Absolutely, and well from a lot of the audio there, that guy is referencing the secret space program. And that was brought forward, a lot of it was brought forward by Gary McKinnon, who's known as the NASA hacker. And it is true that when Obama went over to the UK, they brought this up when it was him and James Cameron talking. And they said, what are you gonna do about the NASA hacker? And he said, we have ways to get him. Well, as it turned out that with McKinnon, what they were able to say on his side was that he wasn't able to stand trial here in the United States. And that because he had Asperger's and so that whole case got dropped. But what he saw was a whole off world officers list. And this is the crucial thing that we need to understand which is there were inside of those NASA documents that he hacked into.

1:19:08 a role for an off world officers list. That's not astronauts, so who are they? But it makes sense because you think about the fact that we have not gone to the moon since 1972. We had the Challenger disaster in 1986, which ended the entire manned flight aspect of this whole situation. So what have they been doing in the meantime? They've had a very active program of spaceports, space infrastructure being built up with with public money for private infrastructure. And now you have these guys coming forward and saying, hey, we're gonna go to Mars, we have all this infrastructure, you're gonna have hotels and space and all the rest of it. Who built the infrastructure? There's no question it was the United States space program, but that has been a secret space program this whole time. Can you just do a few more minutes cuz I'm gonna tell you a story on the other side and get your take on it. Yes, absolutely. I'll start telling it now then.

1:20:01 Had I mentioned this before and it didn't even get picked up anywhere, I thought it probably would. But also sometimes I mentioned things, it's taken out of context. Like I said when I was criticizing Trump last month about the Epstein thing, I got some calls from the White House saying, what is it you want? It wasn't like you want a bag of money, it was like, what do you want us to do? And then they take the clips out and, no, Jones says they tried to pay him off. No, they're like, what do you want? What do you want us to do? What are you bitching about? What do you expect? But moving on from that, well, when we come back, I've never really told the full story And I, it's, it's, I can't tell it all. I was told I could talk about it. And, and I was like, why are you telling me this? But we're going to come back and I'm going to say it on air. Stay with us. I'm cutting this on July 30th, 2025.

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1:21:34 and you can cancel anytime. TheAlexJonesStore.com, thank you for your support. I don't tell these stories to write myself into it. I'm not Hunter S. Thompson. And there's so many stories I've never told because they're fantastical. And later you see it come out in the news, what I told you happened. But I know about intelligence agencies and how they operate in factions and groups. And I know when they come snooping around, it was the Israelis or the British, I don't talk to them. And the Russians have come around, 15 years ago, not around here, but around events I was at and stuff. I mean, they're everywhere.

1:22:32 And we've had, they've used Saudi intelligence against us the last few years and things, and we reported to the FBI and recorded them and stuff. And then they weren't Saudi Arabians, it was their company though, which really was assigned to MI6. But I knew when Trump was getting in, there was a lot of interest in the Pentagon. Then in CENTCOM and Army Special Operations and all the rest of it. And so I already knew a bunch of those people, Delta Force, and you've seen a lot of them on the show, but others you've never seen. And I get phone calls from most famous Delta Force people and commanders and stuff all the time, give me information and it's always been good. And so I had more security than in stuff because it was a big security threat. And I had these guys that were already in Special Operations

1:23:11 And they're like, yeah, this guy wants to come just hang out and work with you some blah, blah, blah. And I knew who he was, and he'd also been high level in my security. But I was like, so they wanna come look at the infrastructure for security thing cuz I'm so close to Trump. They're like, well, Alex, you're really smart. Well, he's a really nice guy, why don't you have him around? I was like, sure, Trump can come in here and sniff around. And so that goes on, he goes on trips with us and all the rest of the stuff. And then they're like, okay, well, I'm going to go back to work for Musk and Trump have fun, blah, blah, blah. And it was, you know, it's tied into other big groups Trump uses. People can probably imagine the names of big security groups and we're doing private security for him as well. And Trump has that, you know, overwatching the other stuff that goes on. He didn't have that when he got shot in Butler, you notice we brought it back and you got Eric Prince and all that stuff. And so, you know,

1:24:05 One day we come in from a trip and he's in here and he goes, listen I'm gonna tell you a story. It's really interesting. A month or so ago, I was gone. I was up there with Musk and we had this whole five, six hour meeting in the Oval Office with Trump and they closed everything off, took everybody out. And man, they had it up on the big screens they rolled in. And Elon has already got 3D printers and already the beginnings of a big base to launch to Mars on the dark side of the moon. And I said, really, how they powered? He goes, that's a good question. How do you think they power it? And I go nuclear? And he goes, well, they got a lot of stuff. I don't know. But it was just amazing. And Trump signed off on it right there. It's all secret. And I went, well, you know with your history and your past, I knew it, we got like assassination teams for the CIA. I said, that's really interesting, cuz if that's all true and classified, we get in a lot of trouble. And he said, well, they just wanted me to tell you about it, and thought you might wanna know. I go, am I supposed to talk about, well, don't really say my name, but yeah. And see people, that sounds crazy, but remember five days, this is from his source inside the campaign.

1:25:07 before Kennedy announces I said he's gonna be on the West Coast wasn't California that was Tucson and Rfk jr. At a big daytime rally will announce these endorsing Trump and ma and people that's crazy that's nuts it happened just like I said that Friday afternoon four days later so I just get given stuff like this and usually what I'm given has been accurate affected always been but that But that I didn't even talk about for a few years because it was so weird and I've run into him a few times here and there. I would just magically see him here or there. But that's what that whole COG is out there is happening. And when you get as prominent as we are, basically the intelligence agencies and people, even if they're not really against you, that faction, it's like dogs smell each other's asses. And so if you don't let them do that, that might bite you. Because I have nothing to hide.

1:25:49 But at the same time, you know, I certainly don't turn the lights out around here when those guys are in here. So Daniel Liz, dark journalist, what do you make of that? Because that on my soul happened. Wow, that is incredible. The thing about it that grabs me is the whole moon aspect on this because it makes perfect sense that they were developing this type of technology on the dark side of the moon. And it also explains why China with all their missions want to go directly to that dark side of the moon is probably to keep an eye on what we're doing there as well. But the fact that they were revealing it to you, look, they're aware of your platform, they're aware of your impact.

1:26:26 And they're doing that on purpose. The question behind all of that would be, why would they be doing that? They wanna say, they wanna data mine what happens when you let that story out. Now, they may have wanted the story to be out there as leverage, because they're actually doing it. Or they might be doing it on a different part of the moon and they wanna misdirect. But they're using Something is a conduit there with you and bringing you into that story. But I'll tell you what's interesting about that dark side of the moon story is I've heard similar type of things. So I believe that that story has been circulated for a reason. And I believe it represents actual technology that's up there on the moon. There are many accounts of technology and bases already being set on the moon. And the idea of Artemis and the amount of delays is that they were afraid by bringing all this attention up there, that the thing that they've been developing in the background on a totally covert fashion

1:27:25 including the idea of making it the perfect drop point to go for these Mars missions, makes perfect sense. Because they don't want all the attention there at that particular time. So all the delays that we've had, Artemis has been around for six years and they've never gone anywhere. But they're supposed to be the first women in space on the moon anyway. So when we look at it that way, I think about people who are involved in our space program, like Gordon Cooper and Edgar Mitchell. And you knew that they knew things that they could not bring out, but they brought it out in other ways. I will say in Cooper's case, he actually with the president of the island of

1:28:02 Grenada addressed the United Nations and said, we know about these other entities. We think it's time we bring this into the UN Charter and all the rest. And then Reagan ended up invading the island of Grenada very shortly after that. So there's a lot going on that does not exist on a public level. It is an entirely, Professor Scott named it, coined it the deep state. But it operates in this totally covert fashion, but it influences when it steps in and creates a deep event in the public. It influences and changes policy. And that's what they're about right now in regards to space and our understanding of space, which they've kept us basically as children on the entire subject. So what I would say is

1:28:46 Musk and his team around that, they leaked that to you on purpose in that Trump orbit about the dark side of the moon. The only thing I'd be curious about is the date. that Trump was secretly authorizing the funding for the expansion of the base for Mars missions. And then you look at all the studies where they've said it'd be better to launch the mission to Mars from the dark side. And then what was it, Ed Astra came out like seven, eight years ago with Brad Pitt, where you have a whole battle on the dark side of the moon.

1:29:23 between governments covertly trying to stop our launch. And we already have a Mars base at that time. So, and of course that movie, I remember when it came out, I think it came out right after I got told this. I was like, after I saw that, guys look up when it came out, I think it came out. So yeah, this 100% happened. And of course I was just thinking about it again today because Cooper thought they were giving him all this UFO stuff as a lie, because he was in Naval Intelligence. But he wasn't sure and then later he saw the craft fly out of the water or whatever when he was out on a ship at super high speed. So again, I don't wanna attack these other people in the military and stuff that say they've been told this, but it's always second hand. Except this guy really was high level security with Elon Musk. This guy really was in the White House. I mean, just leave it at that.

1:30:12 I mean, just examples, a lot of the guys I'm around are in the White House. I'll just stop right there. I mean, it's not a secret, like Sean Johnson put up a photo last week, and I trained with him, former Navy SEAL trainer, demolition expert. He was just in the White House shaking hands with Trump. I posted on X, made a joke, another secret mission. Sean Johnson actually was a secret mission, but leave it at that. Nothing that big a deal about. But it's just that that these, this is, sure this is second hand, but this is directly from somebody I know who they are and they're not, and I mean it's definitely somebody that does a lot of super secret stuff that doesn't just tell people something like this for no reason. So yeah, probably just to plant disinformation or something is what I thought and that's why I didn't talk about it for years.

1:30:53 Absolutely, and part of the whole thing Remember 2 is about archaeology wars. And the archaeology wars, it's interesting, we brought up that clip earlier with the guy talking about Iraq and what they did with the looting of the Baghdad Museum. That is real. And I've done a whole Hot Zone series about archaeology wars and how they're looking for those ancient artifacts that are super powered because they represent an earlier technology. The thing about space, I don't think there's any doubt for anyone who's gone into the space research that the moon and Mars have both been, and we've had all the high level people come out and say this, airbrushed. The photos that we see of them, the videos we see, they're airbrushed because if they show anomalies of earlier development, then it blows somebody's entire program.

1:31:41 That's why those people in that early era of the Kennedy era didn't want to go with the Russians to space because they didn't want to share those types of discoveries. It goes deeper than that, but I will say this in terms of the archaeology. If you see artifacts on the moon or you see artifacts on Mars, that sets up an entire trajectory for an entire different idea of human Absolutely, I don't want to run him down but Steven Greer, Dr. Greer, very smart guy, met him several times, very nice, very well spoken, I read a lot of what he says. But he's got the Israeli background with his wife early on, and then he is early on Rockefeller Foundation stuff. And so there really is so many times with these progenitors, this connection back. And you see Hollywood for 60 years, 70 years, just wholesale pushing this. As you said, Obama producing movies about it. It's not just that there's interest in it, there's a real push here.

1:32:36 No question, and as the President, Obama knew all of these things about the UFO file. So if he's putting his money behind a Betty and Barney Hill movie, I mean, what does that say about the reality of the entire thing? The other thing, I think it is interesting what you're saying here about people all on that side of things. There's been a lot of failed attempts at this disclosure and the problem has been the meddling on the billionaire side. They've come in and try to shape the narrative to what they were looking for. And in that case, Rockefeller was working with a number of people in the UFO field. And a lot of those career narratives came out with no, all the aliens are benevolent and all this stuff. So it had a kind of an alien messiah type thing.

1:33:16 And then you had the UFO threat people and that's like Elizondo, counterintelligence guy. And all of his background and all of these things started to fall apart the more he was out there. And then he starts holding up false photos and all the rest. So you have two sides and they're vying for this disclosure angle. And one of those sides is funded by the kind of billionaire group. The other side is their own billionaire group. They work directly for the DOD though. So there's a clash there between the two. One of the things I would say and some of the worst people that have been involved around this are the CIA people who are at the leadership level. And so like John Brennan has been involved says, we need to get to the bottom of the UFO file. Jim Semivan launched the To The Stars Academy. He's TTSA Tom DeLonge,

1:34:00 all of that, and then Chris Bellen. Now Mellon himself being the DOD billionaire official, he was called. the mayor of Area 51. And as of 2016, he was on record saying the government never covered up anything. What are you talking about? There are no aliens, there's no UFOs, forget it. Now he's the big champion of disclosure. We need to understand what changed in their thinking. If you have these people before congressional committees, you don't softball them and massage them and say like, you're doing great work. What a hero, what a legend. You say no, why are you lying now or were you lying then? Which is it? Exactly, and in closing, it's been a riveting interview and I really appreciate you. I want to get you back on. Everybody should see your films and your work at darkjournalist.com.

1:34:45 From my research, Area 51 has got some underground connections to Vegas and some toxic waste dumps. And they've had some skunk work secret aircraft there from time to time. But to me, it's a larger distraction. And I know they really keep secret a lot of the other areas. But I've seen information in Montana, Utah, Wyoming. But there's bases obviously all over and all over the world. From all your deep research and credible sources, where are the real hotbeds of human secret Aerospace technology. Absolutely, there's no question Nevada has been a major staging ground and of course, New Mexico was the leader in that. The one that gets missed very often and the people there in Moon, Pennsylvania are great. But Moon, Pennsylvania is a major, major center for development of secret technology. It's been left off, a variety of things happened around there. For example, the Kecksburg incident where this acorn UFO crashes and has all these hieroglyphs on it.

1:35:44 The entire town sees it and they're sworn to secrecy by the military. It's like Roswell Part Two in the 1960s. But that took place very close to Moon. Moon, if you go into its history, was set up as a military town. during World War II. And they just decided this is something that will keep completely off the books and off to the side. What was going on, I think, with Area 51 is there was a battle with those groups and they wanted to reveal Area 51. So they rolled out guys like Lazar. And a lot of the history of Lazar was very shady, including the fact that he lied all about his education and he lied about a number of things. Now, he may have been working at a secret base and seeing these unusual things, but you have to take into account what

1:36:27 who the person is. What disturbs me the most is that now Spielberg is putting out his movie next May, which is all about these whistleblowers and the UFO threat and the thing they're bringing forward. And they're focusing on one of those whistleblowers in particular. And now all of the other ones, David Grush is now a film consultant. He's a film producer with this other guy. And these are the guys who are making the big budget Hollywood movies. So they've moved all those people there. The whole thing was, moved from, this is gonna be disclosure through the podcast. Which is a very, nobody asked one hard question of any of these guys, this is part of the problem. They were all softball questions and titillation and all the rest. Well, what we got were a bunch of people being moved into different positions. You didn't get any truth out of any of those people. And here we are now with a real UFO situation of this

1:37:20 Harvard guy saying, you have a UFO threat and you have a whole setup now through NORAD and everything else for dealing with a threat. What is dealing with a UFO threat? That's emergency. So there are clearly, as you said, at least two major factions and they're gearing up for something big. And it looks like they're fighting with each other on what the disclosure will be, whether it's fake or real or invasion or peaceful. Yeah, exactly. And it's interesting to me that Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr., encourages him to talk about the UFO file. Trump is very reluctant to talk about the UFO file, but will wax poetic about Uncle John, even when it's under unusual circumstances. You might have caught him talking recently about Ted Kaczynski at the Unabomber and how Uncle John knew him, he was one of his students.

1:38:03 Well, someone did a little research on that and the timelines didn't add up. And also, Kaczynski wasn't at MIT, he was at Harvard. So Trump was musing about this and also he wouldn't have been talking about him cuz he wasn't revealed to the 1990s. So and Kaczynski is a fascinating story on his own, but Trump here is raising it in the context of Uncle John. And how Uncle John Trump had all this technological ability and that Kaczynski was his top student and all these things. Well, none of that was true, but why was Trump saying it? Trump deals in steganography often, which is why he even talks about Uncle John. I went back to an article where the COG people had invited from the Reagan White House in 1987, Trump to come in and deal with them. And he was talking to this liberal writer,

1:38:49 from like Vanity Fair and he's telling him all these things. And he starts talking about Uncle John and the technology that Uncle John knew about, that's 1987. So he's waxing on back. Well, let me raise this, it might not be just riddles Trump's saying, because I forget exactly when. Kaczynski was in a particular college, but he volunteered for the CIA MKUltra program, which is a whole spectrum of things, not just mind control. And then he disappears into a labyrinth of things and then pops back out. So who knows where Kaczynski really was or what was really going on?

1:39:28 Yes, well, it's interesting because the public didn't know about him. And so I think this is really the crux of it. But there's no question that they moved him through various places and probably set him up in that very unusual. I mean, he's an MKUltra Milgram experiment guy right from the very start. And they took that kind of genius and felt like, hey, we can use it and misdirect it in this way. There's a number of guys like him, I think, that have shown up around the United States the UFO piece as well. And I think that they do. Whenever we get around certain people who have that imprint, believe it or not, Lee Harvey Oswald as a UFO imprint was telling everyone he was going to work for NASA. So when we get around these people who've been programmed for a role-. Yeah, they use NASA name as the feeder group recruiting him in. And then you've got Lee Harvey Oswald working at the secret spy YouTube base in Japan.

1:40:24 Exactly, right. So that's Japan's Area 51 basically. And they put Oswald there and it's interesting because Kerry Thornley, who was his bunkmate basically said Oswald had a higher security clearance than everyone there. We all knew that. So who was this guy that they put into this role? And we have these people and we just say, he was the Patsy or whatever. But why is the Patsy associated with advanced technology in space over and over again? When we go into-. Just like the shooter of Robert F Kennedy. Yes, yes, exactly. He does, he came out of Skunk Works, which is the major UFO redevelopment place. So obviously that super secret structure, their access points have to do with, and the people that they use, have to do with the secret aspect of the government.

1:41:12 Yes, yes, exactly. It is and it's right at the heart of the secrecy. There was something that identified a group called DISC, which was Defense Industrial Security Command. And that is the original group that handled the secrecy around the UFO file. And they were able to recruit all kinds of people for their programs and bring them in. And they had at their hands the very best psychiatric warfare manipulators. So the story came out recently, finally, and we've talked about this for years, about George Joe Nittes. Well, it was admitted that yes, he did. He created the Oswald legend, it came out in this last round of Kennedy. That's right, a month ago, declassified CIA Information Warfare Division was running Oswald.

1:41:59 Yes, exactly. And who was it who gave him his career achievement medal? He gave him the career achievement medal, Bobby Ray Inman, who was the CIA director who said, hey, UFOs are real and we know who's not only what they are, what the objects are, but who's inside. So Joe Anitti is being associated with setting up this very early case now all the way back to Lee Harvey Oswald. And there he is in 1980 getting this medal, 81, from Bobby Inman, who is the UFO guy on the inside. And by the way, you brought that up before the documents came out. Incredible, darkjournalist.com, on YouTube, Dark Journalist, on X. Incredible job. Thank you for the time, sir. Thank you, Alex. Talk to you soon.