Topic: The Chosen

Roger Avary discusses the concept of "spells" and "magic" as narrative programs used to control the human mind. He contrasts "bad spells" that promote disintegration with "good spells" that promote humanity. Avary praises Dallas Jenkins and the series The Chosen for successfully telling a story centered on forgiveness, which he considers a much harder feat than depicting revenge.

The film "Babylon" is cited as a major box office failure, which Kate Dalley attributes to a public rejection of Hollywood's "woke" narratives and debauchery. In contrast, the crowdfunded series "The Chosen" has seen massive success, selling out theaters for its depiction of the life of Christ. This shift is presented as evidence that audiences are desperate for wholesome, faith-based entertainment over traditional Hollywood offerings.