Topic: Frank Wright

Journalist Frank Wright joins the show to discuss the $22 billion global surrogacy industry, which he calls "America's national disgrace." Wright explains that the U.S. is the primary destination for "socially infertile" individuals, including single and coupled LGBTQ men, to purchase children. He notes that while countries like Italy and India have banned the practice, the U.S. remains a hub for what he describes as the commodification and factory farming of human life.

Robert Barnes and the host discuss "The Line," a proposed $500 billion smart city in Saudi Arabia. While the host finds the engineering innovation "cool," Barnes expresses skepticism, wishing the project would instead incorporate traditional Arab architectural heritage. They compare the futuristic design to "Blade Runner designed by Greta Thunberg."