Topic: Cliven Bundy

Caller Mike, a 30-year Army veteran, discusses the necessity of a plan beyond reactionary measures. He references Thomas Jefferson and the Declaration of Independence to justify the duty to throw off absolute tyranny. The host and caller debate the merits of peaceful resistance versus offensive action, with the host warning against falling into "false flag" traps set by the FBI.

Todd Engel recounts his experience at the 2014 Bundy Ranch standoff in Nevada, explaining that he was there to ensure a peaceful resolution. He describes being charged with 11 counts, including "interstate travel in aid of extortion," despite no one else being convicted of the underlying extortion. Engel notes that his convictions were eventually overturned by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals after he had already served four and a half years in prison.

Todd Engel reveals that while the media reported Cliven Bundy owed $1.3 million, government testimony showed the actual amount was only $8,810. He questions why the FBI deployed sniper teams and an "army" over a civil debt. Kate Dalley draws parallels between the Bundy case and the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot, arguing that both involved significant federal instigation and entrapment of citizens.