FULL INTERVIEW: Megachurch Pastor Greg Locke Joins Alex Jones to Debate/Discuss the Israeli/Iran War and Why the Jews Continue to Play a Central Role in the Past 4,000 Years of History

00:00 the next one. All right. Well, Pastor Greg Locke has been on Owen's show a few times. We've covered some of the stuff he's done. He really stands up to the left. Stands up to the lockdown stands up for President Trump. I'd say I agree with about 95. Percent of what he says. Lock media dot org. That's L O C K e and he's the author of six books. His old bio, but he's the author of six number one best selling books as an executive producer of the groundbreaking film come out in Jesus name, which reached number four, the U. S box office and currently streams worldwide. A bold voice in modern Christianity. He is the founding and lead pastor at Global Vision Bible Church in Lebanon, Tennessee, just outside Nashville. He is also

00:47 He also holds a bachelor's degree in biblical studies and a master's in revival history. He hosts the prophetic news podcast Red Sky, signs the times and leads the rising news platform of the same name. He serves as the President Donald Trump's National Faith Advisory Board and is a headline speaker at the Reawaken America tour ministries alongside key leaders of America's Judeo-Christian awakening. He and his wife, and I'm a big fan of the church. Uh serve in full time ministry, raising six Children and one grandchild while dedicating their lives to reaching the oppressed the outcast and those forgotten by the church. And so I appreciate you coming on. I was probably a little mean last week when I played that, but I'm pretty well known for that. But no, I mean, I'm familiar with your work. You like your work

01:39 I don't know if. Candace Owens or anybody. I think you accurately described her. Um, you didn't. I think overall, she's a good person. You want me in with, uh, that other guy? who I personally have known, seen his transformation into literally a Hitler worshiper. And he's lied about me and just made up stuff. So I know that he's a bad guy. But I know you're a theologian. And so I'm not really having a debate with you because I know you know more about the Bible than I do. I've also read a lot of history, Roman histories. I've read synopses of the other Jewish holy books that came after the Torah.

02:14 and I'm not saying it's the star of Ren fam. It's the seal of Solomon. But here's the clip of that got us in touch with each other. I said, Hey, I'll I'll not even debate you all the discussion with you. You were nice enough to come down to your busy schedule. But here's a clip that got all started last week. And you know, you look at people like Candace Owens and you're like, holy smokes, did you see the change that she made so unbelievably quickly? And then even people that are like wild cards, like Alex Jones, right? Info Wars. I like Alex. I've been on Info Wars a number of times, but he's wrong when it comes to the Jewish people. Now he's teaching as of last week, the Star of David is satanic symbolism and nonsense. And I'm going to address all of that here in a little while. Star of Rephidim and all that. So, did you know there's African nations right now that have a real genocide?

01:39 I don't know if. Candace Owens or anybody. I think you accurately described her. Um, you didn't. I think overall, she's a good person. You want me in with, uh, that other guy? who I personally have known, seen his transformation into literally a Hitler worshiper. And he's lied about me and just made up stuff. So I know that he's a bad guy. But I know you're a theologian. And so I'm not really having a debate with you because I know you know more about the Bible than I do. I've also read a lot of history, Roman histories. I've read synopses of the other Jewish holy books that came after the Torah.

02:14 and I'm not saying it's the star of Ren fam. It's the seal of Solomon. But here's the clip of that got us in touch with each other. I said, Hey, I'll I'll not even debate you all the discussion with you. You were nice enough to come down to your busy schedule. But here's a clip that got all started last week. And you know, you look at people like Candace Owens and you're like, holy smokes, did you see the change that she made so unbelievably quickly? And then even people that are like wild cards, like Alex Jones, right? Info Wars. I like Alex. I've been on Info Wars a number of times, but he's wrong when it comes to the Jewish people. Now he's teaching as of last week, the Star of David is satanic symbolism and nonsense. And I'm going to address all of that here in a little while. Star of Rephidim and all that. So, did you know there's African nations right now that have a real genocide?

03:07 Butchering people by the tens of thousands and that's not on the news. Where's Candace talking about that? Where's Tucker and Alex Jones then right? Where's two Peters? They're not talking about it because it doesn't deal with Israel because in the last days the Bible doesn't say the world will rise against Africa the world will rise against you know, this this and this it says the world will rise against Israel and The word Israel basically is, you know, God's people. L-E-L. This is the people of God. The word Israel itself is the prince of God. And so obviously people are going to come against them. Well, they do terrible things. Of course they do terrible things. Evangelicals do terrible things. All right. Just one more point that I'll shut up for a while and try to give you the floor. I do cover the genocides going on in Africa and Trump just did that great peace deal.

03:56 I'm actually not Israel obsessive from the Christian Zionist angle or the if you slip on a banana peel, the Jews did it. And I actually think the Jewish people have done obviously are very special people than a lot of amazing things. Good and bad like any any group. You're gonna have that an exceptional group of exceptional good exceptional bad. And I think that's what we're going to have to do. And I think that's what we're going to have to do. And I think that's what we're going to have to do. And so, you know, we do come out of the Abrahamic tradition. So it is Judeo-Christian. People attack that, but it comes out of the Jews. You know, the three big faiths, we know the real counterfeit is obviously Islam. But I just want to set the record straight that

04:37 I am covering all those other things. So thanks for being here. I've been talking for five minutes. You got the floor. Pastor, thanks for coming to town. Oh man, thanks for having me. And I appreciate the fact that we can come together and have a discussion and it doesn't have to be argumentative. But I think the last days, the Bible is referring to the fact that so many people are going to come against Israel and the Jewish people. because of the fact of who they are and the lineage and the heritage that they have. So if we talk about geopolitical issues and all the politics, you know, you and I could talk all of that for a very, very long time. But from a biblical standpoint, here's what we have to understand. Any form of Christianity that would cause people to want to hate Jewish people is an anti-Christ ideology, right? I'm from a deliverance background, a deliverance ministry.

05:21 blowing in the five-fold, we talk about demons and demonology. Well, anti-Semitism has been a demon for a very, very long time because we understand that Jesus is from the Lion of the tribe of Judah. We understand that he's coming again to establish forever credibility for the throne of David. Everything in the Bible that we have today today being blessed as a people everything spiritually that we have from God has Jewish fingerprints all over it. So of course in the last days people are going to turn against Israel. We face the bears, we face the lions and I said two years ago prophetically to our church that in the last days the Goliath that the church in America especially will face is the Goliath of still having to stand

06:02 with the people of God. Understandably, their governments, that's not who God's in covenant with, right? God's not in covenant with the government and with Netanyahu and his administration. He's in covenant with the people, the people of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And so I'm appreciative that we can at least come to the table open a Bible and say what does the Word of God really say about the truth of the Jewish people. And so I'm not broad-stroking in saying that Jews always make the right decisions. I'm not saying their government has always made the right decisions. I'm saying that they are still to this day in a covenant with the Lord and replacement theology has

06:41 has become a damnable heresy that the church has now somehow, you know, replaced Israel and we are Israel when nothing can be further from the truth and I think we need to discuss that from the Bible. So Alex, thank you for having me. Let me just say that that's why I said there in that little montage that you showed that I do appreciate Alex Jones because you've been right on so much. Even when people hate you, you just do not care and so I appreciate that very much and so I have seen people like the The man you mentioned a moment ago, Stu, how far he's gone out and Candace, it just seems like every day it's anti-Jew and non-Holocaust and the whole Tucker connection and all of that. So I was surprised.

07:21 to even hear anything from your vantage point in a negative view at all because I never would have viewed you in that way and I'm not saying you're a Jew hater, I'm not saying you're an anti-Semite and so I appreciate that maybe that little bit of misrepresentation brought us together to the table today. Absolutely and I get things wrong and also hyperbole so I talk three four hours a day five hours a day so I want to be clear. I've been hated by the Nazis and people obsessed with Jews and it is like a religion It's a satanic religion where they just obsess on Jews all day But at the same time when Israel or leaders do bad things, I'm gonna cover it just like any government if our government's doing something bad I'm gonna criticize it when Trump does something I don't agree with overall totally supporting but I'm gonna say I think that's wrong people say oh now CNN Jones turning against Trump. No, I didn't so

06:41 has become a damnable heresy that the church has now somehow, you know, replaced Israel and we are Israel when nothing can be further from the truth and I think we need to discuss that from the Bible. So Alex, thank you for having me. Let me just say that that's why I said there in that little montage that you showed that I do appreciate Alex Jones because you've been right on so much. Even when people hate you, you just do not care and so I appreciate that very much and so I have seen people like the The man you mentioned a moment ago, Stu, how far he's gone out and Candace, it just seems like every day it's anti-Jew and non-Holocaust and the whole Tucker connection and all of that. So I was surprised.

07:21 to even hear anything from your vantage point in a negative view at all because I never would have viewed you in that way and I'm not saying you're a Jew hater, I'm not saying you're an anti-Semite and so I appreciate that maybe that little bit of misrepresentation brought us together to the table today. Absolutely and I get things wrong and also hyperbole so I talk three four hours a day five hours a day so I want to be clear. I've been hated by the Nazis and people obsessed with Jews and it is like a religion It's a satanic religion where they just obsess on Jews all day But at the same time when Israel or leaders do bad things, I'm gonna cover it just like any government if our government's doing something bad I'm gonna criticize it when Trump does something I don't agree with overall totally supporting but I'm gonna say I think that's wrong people say oh now CNN Jones turning against Trump. No, I didn't so

08:06 You know the larger issue is obviously Jews are exceptional and you know everybody has exceptional people in their group but Jews are at the center of history for thousands and thousands of years and the Germans envisioned the bomb and theoretically you know developed it the Jews built it so you can say is that a good or bad thing I mean we just continue to see what they were saying in their writings like the hand of God is in this. So no one can deny that and so you're gonna have groups that just say everything's bad that comes out of it and then I not you but I see some Christian Zionists that say no everything's good that comes out of it. I try to just differentiate it.

08:46 and call balls and strikes. And quite frankly, I've tried to not avoid the issue but just deal with policies so it doesn't become this group, that group, those groups that say it's the Vatican runs it all, those groups that say it's the Masons and all that. No, it's good and evil operates in every system, and in individuals and in families and in communities. That's the real struggle in my view. And so I try to just break all the taboos because of political correctness. and think that we should be able to have everybody on. And so listeners overall like it, but some will say, well, wait a minute, one day you get somebody on that thinks nothing bad about Jews, and next you get somebody on this forum. This is the real debate and the real discussion that the left and the globalists don't want. So I think it's very healthy, and I'm glad we're having it. We can go for the next few hours here. So, Pastor, give us your view.

09:36 When you're research, you're obviously a smart guy, on why are the Jews so special? I think we can say everybody's special. You say America's been exceptional. The Russians have been exceptional. The Chinese are, everybody's amazing. But there is something particularly special about the energy surrounding Israel and the Jews and their history and culture in the world. And there's an obsession by those that totally love Israel, and those that hate it, and then there's everybody else trying to figure out what's going on. Why were they saying 4,000 years ago this is gonna happen, and then it continues to happen? There is something obviously very special there, but like Mike Tyson says, if God gives you favor, so does the devil. So just like the devil tried to tempt Christ up on that mountain, you're gonna have Jews that do amazing things, but if you're favored by God, the devil's also gonna be there giving you extra temptation.

10:29 Well, the reason they are so special is because they are the only nation on the planet that with the Lord. You know, Genesis chapter 12 verses 1 through 5, you know, you have Abram, the high exalted father whose name is turned to Abraham, the father of many nations, and God said, I'm gonna bless those that bless you, curse those that curse you. You'll never see in the Bible a progression of Abraham, Ishmael, right, and Jacob. It's Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And so the reason they're special is because they're the only nation that has a special covenant with Almighty God. And so in God's sovereignty, He takes this group of people that is, in my estimation, biblically, the greatest miracle in the history of the world. The greatest miracle was not the parting of the Red Sea. It was the people that walked through it. The fact that they still live to this day, since Genesis 12 was quoted, you have 4,023 some odd years.

11:17 and there's been less than a hundred million jewish people in the entirety of the world and the fact that they still exist through holocaust through all the problems through all the hatred through everything that's going to come out of daniel ezekiel revelation and again like you said we could talk about this stuff for hours. But America is a great nation that's been blessed by God, but we're not in covenant with God. Iran's not in covenant with God. Germany's not in covenant with God. Africa's not in covenant with God. Only Israel is in covenant with the Lord. And so that's why Paul says in the book of Romans, has God cast away his people? God forbid.

11:54 He's not cast away his people. And so everything we have from the Lord has Jewish fingerprints. Our Bible is a Jewish Bible. Our Savior is a Jewish Savior. Every miracle Jesus did, he did 40 miracles if you include his virgin birth. and the resurrection right he did 40 major miracles all of them were done in Israel everything we have from God came from a Jewish perspective the church was started by Jews we have the gospel because of the Jews and Acts chapter 10 a Jew gave it to the Gentiles even against his own will but in but in God's sovereign plan, he allowed him to do it. And so everything we look at that we have from God has Jewish fingerprints all over. And so that's why Paul says, look, there will come a time that Israel will be open to the gospel. By the gospel, I mean Romans 1 16. Paul said, I'm not ashamed of the gospel, the death, the burial, the resurrection of Christ, for it is the power of God and the salvation. Then he says this, to everyone that believes, the gospel is for everybody, but to the Jew first,

12:53 also to the Greek. Is he saying that the Jews are more important in the gospel? No, he's saying that we wouldn't have the gospel without the Jews because John 1 11 and 12 says Jesus came into his own. We know according to Matthew 1 Jesus was a Jewish person. He came into his own. His own received him not. but as many as received him, to them gave he the power to become the sons of God." So people can be mad that Jews have rejected Jesus, but from a Gentile standpoint, we would not have Jesus if the Jews had not rejected him. No, I get that, and that's where I was going to go next. You just went there. people then go and look at the pieces with you're the synagogue of Satan, blah, blah, blah. But that's in the Old Testament where God's constantly through the prophets, you know, rebuking the corrupt system, but still God chose the Jews. And so that's absolutely true. So why from your deep research historically, and you know, also the Bible, why did God choose the Jews to do his covenant and then his message? And then you can see how that works in the dialectic.

13:50 where the Messiah comes, it gets rejected, and then it gets totally proven and creates this entire system that then manifests the prophecies to the T and then comes back where It's right in front of everybody. Yeah, it's right in front of everybody. And right now the Bible says that blindness in part has happened to Israel. So we can be as mad as we want to that the Israeli people, you know, they rejected Jesus. Of course they did, but it opened the way for us to believe and so there will come a time, the Bible says in Romans chapter 11, all Israel as a nation shall be saved. So we should look at Jews that reject Christ

14:26 like the prodigal son running off from his dad and feel sorry for them is what you're saying. Instead of getting mad at them when a lot of them, not all of them, not the majority, say really bad things about Christianity. And a lot of Christians see that and they go, what is this? Absolutely. Well, I want to make a differentiation. I think it's important. Individual Jews, according to Romans 10, 23, whose service are called upon in the name of the Lord shall be saved. That's a Jewish passage. They're in the same responsibility as we are today to repent and believe the gospel. So an individual Jew has to be saved. There's not multiple ways of salvation just because you're a Jew, okay? So understand that individually, Jesus is not a way to heaven. He's the only way to heaven. John 14 6, he said, I'm the way, the truth, and the life. He said that to the Jewish people.

15:11 And so... And then the prophecies are all coming true and it dominates the world. It's the proof right there. Yes, but what we have to understand is although that individual Jews have to be saved the same way we do, there will come a time that nationally the covenant will be fulfilled, the fullness of the Gentiles will come in, meaning by that the last Gentile will get born again wherever that is, however that happens, and in that moment the Bible says that the scales will be removed from the eyes of the Jewish people they will look upon him whom they have pierced and a nation shall be born in a day all Israel shall be saved so from a covenant standpoint they are under the grace of God as a nation Israel as a nation will be saved as individuals

15:53 They still have to respond to the gospel the same way we respond to the gospel. That's the purpose of the whole book of Hebrews. It was Christian people trying to go back into Judaism and say, well, you know, I've trusted Jesus, but now I need all the works of the law. And then a lot of people that are only, you know, anti-Jew, they say, no, no, no, it's not that a bunch of Jews are being converted to Christianity now. They're really infiltrating. And I think there's some of both going on, but you can't deny that there is a, uh, you know, definite all over the world Jews coming to Christ. Oh, 100 percent. Yeah, many of them coming to Christ. And I think it's beautiful. It's very controversial. But think about this for a moment. I think Mike Huckabee even brought this to pass when he was became the ambassador to Israel. And that is this.

16:31 A Jewish person has no obligation to support me as a Christian. But as a Christian, I have a biblical obligation to support Jewish people. Again, as a national covenant, as a people, not as the individual redemption that they make. And again, what the devil does for bad, God uses for good. You can argue, yeah, there are some Jewish charities and organizations and groups that think they're manipulating Christians and think it's a joke, but no, the Trojan horse is there, you won't be laughing soon. Sure. You get what I'm saying? I get it 100%. Yeah, that's how God works. Yes, and I don't think people recognize this unless you go to Israel, and I go a lot, right, about 20 weeks a year, but unless you go there, here's what you don't recognize. Because Jews don't read the New Testament, right, they're totally Torah and minor prophets, major prophets, historical books, Psalms, Proverbs, they don't read the New Testament.

17:19 And so they obviously not just have a blindness, they have an ignorance to it. And so what we need to recognize is because of that, their only view of Christianity is what they see in Israel, which is 95% predominantly Catholic. So when I talk to my Jewish Orthodox friends, my rabbis that I work with and all of this, they say, okay, let me ask you some questions. And the questions are all Catholic related questions. Because all they see is all the major sites of Christianity in Jerusalem have been, you know, dominated by the Catholics. They've built these shrines and so they think we're all worshipping Mary, they think we're all worshipping these golden statues. So 95% of them have this perception, this context, this, you know, literal Candace Owens context that

18:05 Catholicism is biblical Christianity. That's all they understand. And so when they meet a guy like me or like you, or somebody that says, no, no, I wanna understand you, but let me tell you what the Bible says about the Messiah, the Moshiach, what they say. The Messiah to the Jews is a concept and a construct, not of a man, but of an institution, right? Of something that brings a man in. And they look at me and they're like, wow, you know the Old Testament so well, and you speak to us in a way that we understand we've never met a Christian like you. That's because most of you think that Catholicism is straight Christianity. Does that make sense? And so they have a skewed mindset. So when we step on the platform and say, look what the Bible says, I can show you where the Holocaust is in the Bible, where 1948 is in the Bible, and I can show them things in their own scriptures

18:52 then the light bulb begins to come on and they're like, wow. And everything in the New Testament is perfectly tied back to the Old Testament, repeating it over and over again. A thousand percent. 1 Corinthians chapter 10 says that everything in the Old Testament that happened to Israel was for our example today in New Testament days as believers. God uses them as an example, good and bad, because they did some crazy stuff. and still do to this day, but don't we all? The whole purpose and the idea is that God's love and God's sovereignty is shown in a small, minute group of people that should not exist, and the only reason they do, Paul said, is for the glory of God. To prove the love of God. And of course he was a persecutor of the Christians. Yeah.

19:33 And but he got hit on the road to he was a Jew of the Jew, Hebrew of the Hebrews on the road to Damascus and Acts chapter nine. So what happened to him? And that's kind of the archetype of what's gonna happen to all the Jews in the end. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, he very much is a prototype of what's going to happen. So it's like David's a prototype of Christ. He got stuff from the high priest. He said, I'm going to kill the Christians. I'm going to go in pillage the village. I'm gonna burn it all down, put them in jail. And he's going and Jesus in a great light lighter than the sun knocks him off his horse puts him on his face. And he says, hey, it's hard for you to kick against this prick's conviction. Because he was there when Stephen was stoned. And he saw that, this man that had such conviction for Christ. And he saw that, it bothered him. He fell on his face and he said, Lord, what do I do? And at that moment, he's converted to Christianity. The scales are removed from his eyes. And that's why he says later in Romans 11, one day the scales

20:22 nationally will be removed from the eyes of the Jewish people and they will accept their Messiah. Here's what I told my rabbi friend just really a couple months ago. I said, look, if I really believed What what the Bible teaches if I really believe this stuff about Jesus being the Messiah because to me it's a second coming to them It's a first coming I said then why wouldn't I help you? Fulfill prophecy so that we can usher in the Messiah so you can know that the Bible is right and he said I never thought about that We in the Jews we believe 90% of the exact same things But we disagree on the Messiah, which then people say, well, you know, you're talking about this Red Heifer program and you're talking about the third temple being rebuilt and all of these things. That's the Antichrist temple. That is utter nonsense. The Antichrist steals the temple. He goes in in the middle of the seven-year fake peace treaty and offers the abomination of desolation, right? He tries to take over the temple, but

21:14 three times in the Bible, twice in the book of Zechariah. The third temple is called the house of prayer for all nations where the glory of God dwells. Jerusalem will be the center of worship. Well, let's talk about that. I mean, I'm not a pastor like you, but I've been to a lot of Sunday school. And then who are the two prophets or messengers that get sent back? There's going to be two witnesses in the book of Revelation. Yeah. And that's, and they come back, who are they there? Yeah, well we don't exactly know who they are. A lot of people said they're gonna be Elijah and Moses. They're unnamed, but what we know is they come back and for some time they give the government and the Antichrist a fit. They kill him, God resurrects him, the whole world sees it, and we know for sure at that point that wow, God is going to protect his people. Because by the way, they're Jewish evangelists.

21:56 And so are the 144,000 in Revelation chapter 7. 12,000 from each one of the 12 tribes of Israel, which equal 144,000. It's not Jehovah's Witnesses. It's Jewish male virgin evangelists that evangelize the world with the gospel. and it's powerful. Well, what's amazing is you look at Revelation, it's all starting and I, you know, I don't know if it's 10 years, 100 years, but it's definitely all happening. And the Satanism is all out in the open. And we're not talking about the Satanists, the pedophiles, all, even a lot of right-wingers, who talk about Jews all day. At the end of the day, I just want to oppose the evil. You know, I see people all over the internet and I love reading comments everywhere because I get a lot of good ideas from a lot of leads. It's very thought-provoking. And I see people say, well, you know, Alex Jones has somebody on that's totally anti-Israel.

21:14 three times in the Bible, twice in the book of Zechariah. The third temple is called the house of prayer for all nations where the glory of God dwells. Jerusalem will be the center of worship. Well, let's talk about that. I mean, I'm not a pastor like you, but I've been to a lot of Sunday school. And then who are the two prophets or messengers that get sent back? There's going to be two witnesses in the book of Revelation. Yeah. And that's, and they come back, who are they there? Yeah, well we don't exactly know who they are. A lot of people said they're gonna be Elijah and Moses. They're unnamed, but what we know is they come back and for some time they give the government and the Antichrist a fit. They kill him, God resurrects him, the whole world sees it, and we know for sure at that point that wow, God is going to protect his people. Because by the way, they're Jewish evangelists.

21:56 And so are the 144,000 in Revelation chapter 7. 12,000 from each one of the 12 tribes of Israel, which equal 144,000. It's not Jehovah's Witnesses. It's Jewish male virgin evangelists that evangelize the world with the gospel. and it's powerful. Well, what's amazing is you look at Revelation, it's all starting and I, you know, I don't know if it's 10 years, 100 years, but it's definitely all happening. And the Satanism is all out in the open. And we're not talking about the Satanists, the pedophiles, all, even a lot of right-wingers, who talk about Jews all day. At the end of the day, I just want to oppose the evil. You know, I see people all over the internet and I love reading comments everywhere because I get a lot of good ideas from a lot of leads. It's very thought-provoking. And I see people say, well, you know, Alex Jones has somebody on that's totally anti-Israel.

22:44 And then he has somebody on this pro-Israel and you know he's not for Iran, the mullahs, but he also was worried about these attacks. Well I just looked at some of the dangerous things that could happen like this Fatawan now and all the rest of it and I just try to have a large debate because I think that's where we really get the most important knowledge and discussions. So we're going to do the whole next hour with you. This is a great interview you're going to be on with Owen today. They're in the war room as well. Pastor Greg Locke, great guy, good heart, smart guy, stands up for all the right issues on Trump's commission. And overall, Trump is such a blessing and such a good man, as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said, getting to know him. He's such a real person, such a great person.

26:33 Quite a bit of Welsh. That's me. Yeah. I'm Welsh and German mainly. They told my wife forever that she was Italian and we went and had one of them spit tests and she came back 44% Jewish. So here we are. No Italian. Wow. That's interesting. So she didn't even know she was Jewish. Had no idea. So when we go to Israel, they're all the time talking Hebrew to her. She's like, nah. Was she Sephardic or Ashkenazi? Ashkenazi. Interesting. So she had Eastern European roots? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But 44% on that Ashkenazi Jewishness. We had no idea. No idea. Wow. Yeah, I showed a picture to a rabbi friend of mine. He said, uh, she's probably 80%. You better spit again. That's interesting. Yeah. Um, all right. So we'll see what happens now from your biblical research and perspective, you got a degree in this. Um, you were saying a lot of really interesting things for when to break. So please continue. Yeah. Well, I ended on the 144,000. So I want to kind of segue into that because here's

27:27 Here's what a lot of people hear, and I know you've heard this from guests and from others, they say, well, you know, the Jews of today aren't real Jews, you know, they started with the Rothschilds and all of that, and these are not the real descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, which I think really is utter nonsense. Because first of all, any Jewish person understands their heritage, they know what tribe they're from, they can simply tell you. But if there's going to be in the future, this has not happened yet, Revelation 7, if there's going to be a future event whereby God's going to seal 12,000 out of each one of the 12 tribes of Israel, equaling 144,000 as we said. Then that means these people have to exist on the earth. Where'd they come from? So there has to be enough people remaining, that remnant still has to be there in Revelation 7, halfway through the tribulation period for God to come up with 144,000 people. So to say that Jewish people today are the synagogue of Satan and they're liars and they're fake and they're not blood relatives to Abraham is nonsense. Furthermore, I will say this,

28:21 There are five times in the Bible, you have Isaiah, Zachariah, Amos, you have Ezekiel, actually two in Zachariah, where the Bible predicts, proclaims, we could look up the verses if we had time, where the Bible says, as the Jewish people in the last days returned to the homeland that they that the vegetation will grow, that the wineries will expand, and that the desert itself will actually blossom. Mark Twain, a hundred some odd years ago, he wrote a book and said that Israel was a desolate, barren wasteland. There was nothing there but just desert. And now if you go, it looks like a forest. There's vegetation there. And so when you step on the land, there's almost this prophetic feeling that flows through your body because look, you can say they're not real Jews, they're occupiers.

29:07 The ground does not prophetically grow for fake Jews, right? The Bible is being fulfilled the more that these people move back to the homeland and the Bible predicts in Ezekiel that the great number of people that will come is directly north of Jerusalem, which is Moscow, and there's more Russian Jews that are moving back to Jerusalem and Israel right now than anywhere else. And Putin just pointed that out last week. Yeah, absolutely. And so to say that these people aren't real Jews It's really nonsense because they can trace their history and they still have a future prophetically. And I remind you, Jesus is not coming back to rule and reign in America. He's coming back to Jerusalem. He's not coming back to the capital of Israel for a bunch of fake people. He's coming back for his covenanted people. And if you look at Hitler, he would have won World War II, mainline estimates, but he spent more money trying to kill all the Jews. And he was obsessed with it.

29:57 than actually winning the war. Yeah, it was unbelievable. Because he was totally driven to do it. Yeah, and sadly, and here's what a lot of Christians will say, well, he used the documents of the great reformer Martin Luther. He sure did. Martin Luther, I'm glad he came out of the Catholic Church, but didn't come out far enough because he really did hate the Jews and said, oh, these are the people that are causing all the problems in the world. And we recognize there's only 100 million of these people that have ever lived in existence. And today there's only 15.7 million Jews on the planet. So I want people to put their mathematical thinking caps on for a moment. If there's only 15 million Jews on the planet... Think about this, there are, and I'll say this kindly as a pastor, there are 400 million people that identify with the LGBTQIA. 400 million. So there are three. And let's show some B-roll of their pride parades. Boy, they certainly aren't blessed. They only have about 400 pounds and look like a demon sucker. I mean, 385 million more, can I say, sodomites than there are Jews, and yet the Jews are the denigration of society. It's nonsense.

31:00 It's utter nonsense. It's a small little tiny group of people. Think about this. Well, I think the argument is if God favors you so does Satan tries to get you. Oh, absolutely. Jews do exceptional things. Be liars we didn't say it. Overperformers, you know, other than maybe like some of the Germans have been over performers. That's why they kind of went head to head. That's what two dominant groups do with the IQs and all the, you know, all the creativity. England as well as Scotland and Ireland. But if you pull back from that. If you look at the directors of the major porn industries and Pornhub and all the other things and and and at the center of pushing all the stuff it is Overrepresented by Jews here so people look at that right and they say well the Jews must be you know completely bad But but in my experience like spider-man says with great power comes great responsibility So that you would say I would imagine these are people the devil's targeted. Yeah, absolutely I mean look at the Old Testament. They did some great atrocities

31:58 I mean, the Jewish people did some unbelievable things. And by the way, that's what the seven years of tribulation is for. It's not judgment on the earth for Christianity. The Bible says it's a time of Jacob's trouble, so God can regather that remnant back to himself. and bring them to repentance because they had to force them all the way to the wall till they finally... All the way. I mean, they sacrificed their kids, demolishing the Old Testament. They did some crazy stuff. Some wicked, heinous things. I mean, Tel Aviv is full of sodomy. I mean, so we're not broad-stroking and saying that all the Israeli people are godly, wonderful people. We're saying as a group, as a nation, they are the covenant people of God. Well, they said it 4,000 plus years ago and that's just another group saying that but it actually happened Yeah, and everybody's obsessed with it. Yeah, which in the whole world's lining up like they said it would yeah, so again Why do you think God chose them?

32:48 Well, I'm gonna read you something in the Bible. Is that alright? I'm gonna show you something right here in the book of Ezekiel. This isn't a liberal show. You can read it from the Bible. Amen, brother. You say the name of Jesus all you want. Absolutely. So in Ezekiel 37, right, you have this prophetic understanding that Ezekiel is talking about the valley of dry bones. We use it a lot. Oh, you know, the churches are dry. That's a cute application, but it's a sorry interpretation because it's referring to the gathering of Israel. So from verse 1 down through verse 10, I'm not going to read that. He says, prophesy out of the bones. prophesied to the winds, the four winds, north, south, east, west, because they're going to be coming from all nations to come back to Israel. But here's what's interesting. Most people don't recognize that there are two

31:58 I mean, the Jewish people did some unbelievable things. And by the way, that's what the seven years of tribulation is for. It's not judgment on the earth for Christianity. The Bible says it's a time of Jacob's trouble, so God can regather that remnant back to himself. and bring them to repentance because they had to force them all the way to the wall till they finally... All the way. I mean, they sacrificed their kids, demolishing the Old Testament. They did some crazy stuff. Some wicked, heinous things. I mean, Tel Aviv is full of sodomy. I mean, so we're not broad-stroking and saying that all the Israeli people are godly, wonderful people. We're saying as a group, as a nation, they are the covenant people of God. Well, they said it 4,000 plus years ago and that's just another group saying that but it actually happened Yeah, and everybody's obsessed with it. Yeah, which in the whole world's lining up like they said it would yeah, so again Why do you think God chose them?

32:48 Well, I'm gonna read you something in the Bible. Is that alright? I'm gonna show you something right here in the book of Ezekiel. This isn't a liberal show. You can read it from the Bible. Amen, brother. You say the name of Jesus all you want. Absolutely. So in Ezekiel 37, right, you have this prophetic understanding that Ezekiel is talking about the valley of dry bones. We use it a lot. Oh, you know, the churches are dry. That's a cute application, but it's a sorry interpretation because it's referring to the gathering of Israel. So from verse 1 down through verse 10, I'm not going to read that. He says, prophesy out of the bones. prophesied to the winds, the four winds, north, south, east, west, because they're going to be coming from all nations to come back to Israel. But here's what's interesting. Most people don't recognize that there are two

33:25 Events what happened in 1945 what happened in 1948 that are predicted? 2525 years before it ever took place. So listen to this So after he talks about this valley of dry bones, it says in verse number 11 Then he said unto me son of man referring to Ezekiel these bones all the bones that he just mentioned in the first 10 verses These bones are the entire house of Israel behold Behold, they say, here's what Israel is saying, our bones are dried, our hope is lost, we are cut off from our parts. They said that we have no hope, we have no land, we have no people, we're being punished and persecuted. Listen to verse 12. Therefore, the Lord says to this prophet, prophesy and say unto them, okay? To these people that are saying we're dried up, we have no hope, prophesy unto them, thus saith the Lord. Behold, O my people Israel, I will open your graves

34:17 and I will cause you to come out of your graves, and I will bring you into the land of Israel. And when did God open their graves? When were the people saying, we are nothing but bones, we are nothing but graves, there is no hope. In the World War II. Yeah. In 1945, God brought them out of their graves supernaturally, they should have been exterminated completely. God brought them out of their graves. People have no idea, the Holocaust is right there in a verse and a half in the Bible, 1945, 2,500 years before it happened. And then he says, once I bring you out, 45, then you have 1948, and bring you into the land of Israel, and ye shall know that I am the Lord your God, who have opened your graves, and brought you out, and I shall put my Spirit in you, and you will live, and you shall be in your land. Then shall you know that the Lord has spoken it.

35:07 You have the Holocaust and the regathering of the nation of Israel, becoming statehood in 1948, in one verse in the Bible, and yet there are still Christians that say, well, you know, I just don't see God has a plan moving forward for Israel. The entire Bible is about the plan of God for Israel, because without an understanding of Israel, we cannot understand the church. Because we have been grafted in to an olive tree. We've been grafted in to God's covenant We are only in covenant with God because the people of God are

35:42 broke their covenant and they denied the Messiah. We're able to now come in while they're being blind, we can repent, we can believe the gospel, we can trust Christ and there will come a time that the last of us gets saved and then all of Israel. And in their Jewish interpretation, they say everybody in the world recognizes the Messiah and follows it, then the world's recognizing and they're denying it. Yeah, absolutely. And they're still in denial but God said their denial would turn into our acceptance and so the The blindness of Israel becomes the blessing of the rest of the world. And we don't understand that theologically because we're not a sovereign God, but Jesus came to his people. They wanted an earthly kingdom. They wanted a political kingdom. Jesus said it's about the kingdom of God, the kingdom of heaven, the kingdoms within you. They rejected that. So Jesus put them on a shelf

35:07 You have the Holocaust and the regathering of the nation of Israel, becoming statehood in 1948, in one verse in the Bible, and yet there are still Christians that say, well, you know, I just don't see God has a plan moving forward for Israel. The entire Bible is about the plan of God for Israel, because without an understanding of Israel, we cannot understand the church. Because we have been grafted in to an olive tree. We've been grafted in to God's covenant We are only in covenant with God because the people of God are

35:42 broke their covenant and they denied the Messiah. We're able to now come in while they're being blind, we can repent, we can believe the gospel, we can trust Christ and there will come a time that the last of us gets saved and then all of Israel. And in their Jewish interpretation, they say everybody in the world recognizes the Messiah and follows it, then the world's recognizing and they're denying it. Yeah, absolutely. And they're still in denial but God said their denial would turn into our acceptance and so the The blindness of Israel becomes the blessing of the rest of the world. And we don't understand that theologically because we're not a sovereign God, but Jesus came to his people. They wanted an earthly kingdom. They wanted a political kingdom. Jesus said it's about the kingdom of God, the kingdom of heaven, the kingdoms within you. They rejected that. So Jesus put them on a shelf

36:33 Allowed the Gentiles to move in you and I that are non-jewish allowed those Gentiles to move in we are now saved We're grafted in and here's what the Bible says in Romans chapter 10 We that have been grafted in have no business disrespecting the original branches and the original tree We have to still love them. We still support them and because Because of that, that's why the Abrahamic covenant comes upon us. People say, well, you know, the Bible says there's Jew, there's Gentile and the church of God. And when you get saved, there's no male, there's no female, there's no Jew, there's no Gentile. Well, listen, when I got saved, I stayed a male, right? When a woman gets saved, she stays a female. A black man stays a black man, a white man stays a white man. What he's saying is there are Jews and Gentiles

37:15 but when we are saved we are not in a blood relation with Abraham we're covered in the blood of Jesus and it doesn't matter if you're red or yellow or black or white or democrat or republican. So let's talk about Islam obviously that's the satanic covenant and the satanic counterfeit to try to block it so I get really upset with the Big churches and the Catholic Church saying, oh, it's all Abrahamic ecumenalism. No, if you actually read the Quran, it's diametrically opposed. Claims it's friendly to Judaism and Christianity. It's literally at war with it. People that say, there's a lot of right-wingers that hate Israel completely. They act like Islam is their ally. No, Islam is completely diametrically opposed. So how does Islam tie into the devil's plan? Well, it ties into the devil's plan because this whole thing's about a sibling rivalry. It's about Ishmael and Isaac.

37:58 right? And so they didn't get the birthright. Exactly. They didn't get the birthright and they got ticked off. They didn't get the contract. Yeah. So they did not get the contract. Which is repeated over and over again just like Canyon Abel. Yeah. The Bible repeats this. It's the mini antichrist. Over and over. The antichrist spirit has been around forever until the main one is revealed. So we got Canyon Abel, then we get What happened with Abraham, explain that. Yeah, well you got Cain and Abel, I mean of course you got sin that enters into the world, you know, but later you get Abraham and he has Ishmael, but then he sits there. What's the example of two sons? Yeah, two sons. One gets the birthright, one doesn't. But Ishmael wasn't the promised son. You see, God came to Abraham and Sarai, who became Sarah, and said, look, I'm gonna give you a son. She laughed, Isaac means laughter, she laughed and said, this is not gonna happen. So what did they do? The same thing we do as Christians. They tried to force the promise of God in the flesh

38:44 And so they created an Ishmael. Yeah, created an Ishmael. And because they forced the promise of God in the flesh, guess what? 4,000 years later, we're still fighting in the Middle East. And the Muslims literally are pissed that they're the bastard son. Absolutely. That's exactly what they are. And Galatians says that they are that because there's only one seed and the seed is not Ishmael. The seed is Isaac. A thousand percent. And it's important for us to understand that. All goes back to contract over and over again. 100%. God is a covenant-keeping God. That's why replacement theology is foolish, because God's covenants are eternal. He will never break his covenant with his people, just like when we are saved, he will never break his covenant with us. He's a promise-keeping God, 100%. That's why Israel is important. Well, that's why I think it's important to differentiate corrupt Jewish and Israeli leaders and corrupt Jews, and then point out the covenant.

39:38 That's what empowers the total attack on the contract is that a lot of Christians and people totally defend what anybody hiding behind Israel does. And that's one of the most powerful things that builds this energy against the Jews in Israel is people not being ready to criticize it. but the whole Bible, Old and New Testament, is God blessing when the Jews do the right thing and then saying I'm going to punish you now when they do the wrong thing. Yeah, and he does. I mean, they had 430 years in Egypt, 70 years in Babylonian captivity. I mean, it happened and God said, I am going to judge you. And he does in the tribulation. And that final judgment brings their heart triggered back to the things of God. So it's like evangelical Christianity, right? There's people that do stupid stuff, but we can't broad stroke

40:22 We can't say that they didn't do stupid stuff, but we can't say, well, you know, we're just going to hide them and sweep them under the rug. Well, we can't say that the whole world is focused and centered on this. As these people in the middle of nowhere said 4,000 years ago, whether you want to, if you don't believe in God, whatever, the point is, you can say it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's real as we know. Doesn't matter it's here. Yeah, this is happening Oh it is happening right before our very eyes and I mean Jerusalem's the breadbasket of the world if you want to know what's happening in the world you better look at Israel better look at the Middle East we're talking about the size of New Jersey 243 miles from top to bottom the Bible says seven times from Dan to bear Sheba that's what it means from north to south it's 71 miles wide and here's what all the weak woke Palestinian supporters on the college campuses are saying from the river to the sea Palestine will be free a couple

41:10 A couple things about that. Number one, they don't know what river, they don't know what sea, they don't even know what that means because what that phrase means is the eradication of Israel. And Palestinians have always been free. 180,000 of them are paid every day to be bused into Israeli communities to work. But the same communities have signs that say, no Jews allowed. And so literally the Israeli government is paying for the upkeep of people that are saying that they're involved in a genocide and they're being pushed out of their land. Well expanding on this though, let's get back to the Ren Fam thing. And clearly the Bible's clear there was another tribe sacrificing kids, Ren Fam, you know, just wiped them out. So you pointed out that there were times when Israel was doing Moloch sacrifice.

41:52 And some Christians will say, if you ever bring that up, you're attacking Jews. No, Israel went back and forth, did bad things, golden calf, all that. I was saying it's the seal of Solomon. If you read the different Jewish texts about Solomon, obviously King David's son, there's a question of whether he turned over to evil. He married all these hundreds of wives, I forget the number. He created the seal in the magic he was doing to control uh the demons and from the historical thing wide spectrum that's what I get from that and and so it doesn't mean Judaism's being satanic but but obviously you get somebody like at that level the wisest man they ever lived they say he married a bunch of different wives investigated all their religions did all this occult stuff I mean clearly there is a strain

41:10 A couple things about that. Number one, they don't know what river, they don't know what sea, they don't even know what that means because what that phrase means is the eradication of Israel. And Palestinians have always been free. 180,000 of them are paid every day to be bused into Israeli communities to work. But the same communities have signs that say, no Jews allowed. And so literally the Israeli government is paying for the upkeep of people that are saying that they're involved in a genocide and they're being pushed out of their land. Well expanding on this though, let's get back to the Ren Fam thing. And clearly the Bible's clear there was another tribe sacrificing kids, Ren Fam, you know, just wiped them out. So you pointed out that there were times when Israel was doing Moloch sacrifice.

41:52 And some Christians will say, if you ever bring that up, you're attacking Jews. No, Israel went back and forth, did bad things, golden calf, all that. I was saying it's the seal of Solomon. If you read the different Jewish texts about Solomon, obviously King David's son, there's a question of whether he turned over to evil. He married all these hundreds of wives, I forget the number. He created the seal in the magic he was doing to control uh the demons and from the historical thing wide spectrum that's what I get from that and and so it doesn't mean Judaism's being satanic but but obviously you get somebody like at that level the wisest man they ever lived they say he married a bunch of different wives investigated all their religions did all this occult stuff I mean clearly there is a strain

42:38 of mysticism and magic that's going on in Judaism. You can call that a falling away. Christians do that as well. So from your historical research, what is the Star of David? Yeah, well, it's like Kabbalah, right? They try to take certain things and obviously they bring in a mysticism to Judaism. And so yeah, I'm against all that magicianry and the Satanism and the occult New Age nonsense that goes with it. But what we have to understand is He may have done some of those things. He married a thousand women. He actually married 700 of them. 300 were concubines or wannabes, right? So he was busy. Yeah. How this guy could be the wisest man in the world and still have a thousand women around him is a theological misunderstanding. I can barely handle one. I heard that brother. No wonder he was the richest man in the world. That's a lot of shoes and purses and mall trips, right? And so this guy had to be wise and rich, but it's not called the star of Solomon. It's called the star of David. Now understand

43:28 that historically from an archaeological standpoint... When did they create the name the Star? You could name it a thousand different names. But its oldest name is the Seal of Solomon. Well, David used it archaeologically on his shield. Solomon had it on his ring. Yes, I know the Masons have stolen it and used it just like the LGBT people, you know, they've stolen the rainbow, right? So here's what I want people to know that a lot of people don't recognize. So from your research, where does it come from? Okay, well here's the powerful symbol. Here's the, oh very powerful, here's the earliest known existence of it. So the There's a place in Israel called Shiloh. We would call it Shiloh, but it's called Shiloh It's where the Red Heifers are right now. It's where the Ark of the Covenant stood, you know for 369 years in the tabernacle before it was moved to the temple in Jerusalem The earliest mosaic with a red Star of David on it was found next to that area archaeologically, so I'm not saying

44:25 that that original symbol is 3,300 years old as was the tabernacle, but it's interesting that it was found in the most spiritually significant place in the history of the Bible other than now modern-day Jerusalem. So that's a 3,300 year old Star of David, whatever you want to call it. Secondarily, in Mark chapter 1, Jesus, he went to a synagogue that I've stood in many times that's just a few yards from Peter's house where he healed his mother-in-law. In Mark 1, Jesus took his new disciples there and cast out the first demon in a synagogue. You can stand in that synagogue. So we're talking 2,000 years ago.

45:00 there is a Star of David encrusted two times actually in that synagogue. So we know it's at least 2,000 years old as far as a religious symbol. So maybe or maybe not did Solomon do some Yankee stuff. He did some crazy stuff, there's no doubt. He may have used it in black magic. But I think the people now, you know, from what, 1887 when the Jews are like, you know, we kind of really like this and then 1948 they actually put it on their flag. I agree with that totally. Solomon's a big mystery. So what I'm saying is that obviously it's a beautiful symbol and it's just two pyramids, you know, in two intersecting triangles. So it's a symbol of balance and unity and you know, like the cross is a powerful symbol. And you can make the cross bad. People do it, flip it upside down. Right. And so I don't think... Well, I totally agree because what happens is I'll, I've done shows where I go,

45:54 Look if you do this symbol some Satanists do it but for UT it's the intention of a symbol that is me so come horns Yeah, or in Italy. It's the sign of warding off the devil you know it and of course people grab a look Oh look Jones just did this as a Satanist even though I just explained it Yeah, when I do it is to show you what the symbol means and I totally agree with that I'm trying to say okay sometimes and they're like, oh look he's in the Illuminati. And so we gotta be careful. Well I've said like when they do this, you know, they go, oh look he just did that. Yeah, and so, oh look he did a... No, I'm explaining something to somebody. Yeah, but I do think it's interesting that, you know, because the devil doesn't create, he imitates. And so now what is his biggest symbol in Satanism? It's a pentagram. It's a star, right? And so I think he's trying to

46:33 pervert and distort something to make this Jewish symbol seem satanic. Well that's why I brought up rimfram or whatever it is. I looked that up. That was another tribe doing it. It was actually a star. It was a giant tribe. They were like the Anakins and they were like the Zambians. Absolutely, but it doesn't mean the symbol of a star is bad on our flag. It's the intention. We'll be right back. Stay with us in two minutes. 50,000 stoppable watts. Pastor Greg Locke is our guest, best-selling author, and I'm glad to bring in these different perspectives. I'd forgotten about the methylene blue show. We've got hundreds of stations. Don't pick up the first five minutes. We ran some promos there because I want people hear everything you have to say.

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49:03 I would like to, if we're going to move in transition, I would like to just read a passage that I think is very valuable because I've heard you ask a few times, you know, why the Jewish people? Why the Jewish people? So we can literally talk about this for so many hours. And have you been to Israel? Have you had the privilege of going to Israel? I've been invited quite a bit. I just, I want to get you there. It's so busy. I want to get you there. I'm telling you, it's one of my bucket lists. It will change your life. It'll give you a new biblical perspective. and it is literally, you hear people, oh, you walk in the Bible, no, no, no, I'm telling you, you're living it. You feel it. Everybody I know says they feel this energy. Oh, there's an energy there that is just unbelievable. It's this blue stuff on steroids, right? I'm telling you, there is a prophetic energy when you go. But I wanna say this, and then we can transition, this is your show. Have it however you want, go ahead. And so in the book of Romans, right, in chapter 11, Paul is, of course, talking about the now and the future of Israel, but this is very important that we understand this from a church perspective.

49:54 about the Jewish people. So Romans chapter 11 verse 25 he says, I would not brethren that you be ignorant of this mystery. Now the word mystery is important because we don't understand all of this. This is a mystery. We're not going to fix it on InfoWars right in a two hour show. It is a mystery but here it is. Lest that you should be wise in your own conceit. All right, so he said don't get all you know proud and arrogant because you're a Christian and the Jews are still rejecting the Messiah. Here's why blindness in part has happened to Israel for how long until the fullness of the Gentiles become in there will come a moment the last Gentile gets born again and here's what will happen verse 26 and so all of Israel all means all in the Bible all Israel shall be saved as it is written there shall come out of Zion

50:40 a deliverer, and shall turn away the ungodliness from the people of Jacob. For this is my covenant unto them, says the Lord, when I shall take away their sin." So God is going to redeem his people, but here's the beauty of it. As concerning the gospel, right? They are enemies for your sakes. People are like, how can you hang around with them Jews? They're enemies because we preach a gospel different than them. Yeah, he said right here, as far as the gospel is concerned, they're enemies because we theologically do not mesh because Jesus is the one and only way. But as touching the election, they are beloved for the Father's sake. So he predicts everything in the next 2,000 years that I'm... Absolutely. Perfectly. Yeah. He said, yeah, there's going to be wars between Israel and Christians because of our theological standpoint, because from a gospel standpoint, they don't believe what we believe. But he says, as far as the election,

51:31 the covenanted people of God. He said, God shall take away their sins for they are beloved for the Father's sake. Well it's like somebody that the prodigal son he has the deed he's rejected it. Yes. So just because he's a prodigal son it's all repeated. God's gonna bring him back. Still have the deed. 100% and then he says the gifts in calling God are without repentance. What does that mean? Means God don't change his mind. Evangelicals may. God does not break his covenants. Man will break his promise, but Titus 1-2 says God cannot lie. If God made a covenant with the Israeli people, there will come a day he will fulfill that covenant no matter how wicked they've been. Why? Because God is a loving, patient, merciful God and what he does with them is a picture, an example of how he works with us. But back to my question, I've asked it a couple times and I'm not saying you dodged it,

52:15 It's a mystery. Why did God choose Jews for this testament? Well, I think because you're talking about the the weak smallest group of people on the planet and God could have chosen a great large huge army but who did he use to defeat Goliath? He didn't use the army, he used a kid. Right? Just use a 17 year old kid. So God's saying and choosing the Jewish people, I do this as an example that I don't need a lot. I'm going to get glory because there's no way these people could still be alive if it wasn't for the sovereign plan of God. Does that make sense? If God were not intervening on their behalf, which he's done and he'll continue. And if he shows Alexander the Great or the Romans and say, we did it. No, it's got to be this. It's got to be the smallest, weakest link in the chain. And then everybody's going to say, well, holy smokes.

53:01 Only God could do this. Because there's gonna come a day that Iran and Iraq and Turkey and Russia and a Northern Alliance from Africa, they're all gonna go to the Golan Heights, they're gonna turn their tanks on Israel and the Bible says, God will send an earthquake, they will be confused, they'll turn on themselves, Israel will be saved because Isaiah 54, 17 says, no weapon formed against them shall prosper. It will never work, they will never knock Israel off the map, Jerusalem will never again be fully annihilated and destroyed. And that's why Psalm 122 says we're to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. We are never called to pray for the peace of America, Iran, Gaza, anybody else. We are only called to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. That's the capital, so he means by that,

53:43 all of Israel, but then he says, those that love your gates, the gates of Jerusalem, those that love your gates will be blessed to the Lord. And even the Muslims know that, that's why they want to attack Jerusalem. Oh, absolutely, they want it. Yeah, they think it is theirs because again, it's a sibling rivalry. You piggybacked us, you got the blessing that should have been on us. But at the end of the day, it's not on them, it's on the Jewish people. And 3,000 plus years ago, the Bible predicts that enmity. Yes. a thousand percent predicted that that Islam through Ishmael would become a man of war that would be hated of all people and here we are here we are hated of all people hated of all people and there's going to be war and it's just it's predicted and I'm convinced if you read the Bible because I can only find one group of people in the history of the world today that are comfortable cutting people's heads off I believe that the Roman Catholic Church

54:32 and Islam are going to create an alliance for a one world religious system at the end of the world. Absolutely. And at the very zenith of it will be a hatred of Jewish people. So you obviously have got a lot of criticism of the Catholic Church. Oh yes. We've seen the last pope, who's an open globalist, this new one we're trying to see. A lot of Catholics are great people obviously. So how does the Catholic Church fit in your research? Well, I mean, again, I do think that there are some Catholic Christians and I think there's a lot of good Catholic people out there. I do believe that if people are starting to see a lot of the political issues happening, they're going to be like, why is the Catholic Church bending and bowing? Right. And so there is this sect, by the way, of

55:14 Catholicism that is very anti-semitic, which is one of the reasons I have a hard time with Candace because she's been so right on a lot of things, but she's so hard and number one against the Jews and number two for Catholicism. I'm like, wait a minute. Do you not realize your religion is built on two Jews, Mary and Jesus? The whole religious system is built on Mary and Jesus, two Jewish people. So if you kick Jews out of the Catholic church, there goes Mary and there goes Jesus. Well, I mean, I think Candace has a good heart and she makes a lot of really good points. that's a big deal. And I think when she gets persecuted and kind of targeted by some of the Jewish lobbies that makes people double down and talking about Candace, you've got Macron's wife. Who I could just personally say in swimsuits and photos that are not photoshopped. Looks like there's something in the pants. We've got his husband or whatever it is slapping him in public. We've got her

56:11 and then Candace Owens will play a club. I believe her, I haven't called Trump to check it. Trump calls her and says, I'm about to get a deal with Macron on tariffs and stuff, and all this other stuff. Will you just not say that his wife's a man's? So I guess they're kind of blaming her for it, but it comes out of French journalists and the rest of it. And it's true that when he's 14 to school, she's the teacher. and they have a sexual relationship so that's pedophilic right there that's confirmed and then you've got this thing in a swimsuit I mean look at this and you know all the rest of it and so the fact that Trump would call and I get it he

56:56 because Macron called him, that shows how scared they are of this. And that to me is a bigger issue of how scared governments are of independent journalists and people's voices that they're scared of Candace Owens. Here she is talking about it. When I call that person back, they tell me something that is even stranger. They say, look, I'm, I again, and the messenger here, what I was told from somebody that's pretty high up at the White House is that Emmanuel Macron is holding up negotiations to end the Russian and Ukrainian war unless you stop speaking about his wife. I'm just going, what?

57:44 What are you saying? What are we even speaking about? What do you mean negotiations between Russia and Ukraine? I'm just like, you know, looking into a story at my house. I've got a very small team here and you're telling me that somehow negotiations are being held up and it needs to be communicated to me. They gotta stop talking about Brigitte. What are we saying? And then I'm asking myself in my mind, because I hang up this phone and I am in true shock. Did Emmanuel Macron pretend to fly into DC under the guise of negotiations, the Russia and Ukraine war, and then instruct someone on his entourage to have an off-the-books discussion, a little meeting on the side, maybe somebody again like a Suzy Wiles, where he made his truer demands? Like, hey, this is for the pictures. Me and Trump are talking about you. We're going to get it done. And then what really goes on behind the scenes is like,

58:39 We're not doing anything until that little podcast, her Candace, agrees to shut her mouth. What? This is crazy. This is absolutely insane. Okay. So I say, we end the conversation. I say, I'm going to sleep on this. It's a lot to process. I remember I came to bed and I just turned to my husband and I say, no one will ever believe us. something that just arrived at me very suddenly. I said, no one will ever believe that this just took place. And my husband's like, yeah, no, this is just very, very strange. And I promised the individual that I would pray on it, that I would think further about the situation. What are the implications here? And I then call him back the next day and I say, look,

59:26 This is pretty weird. You have to admit this is pretty weird. And you're not really giving me any details. And I kind of want to know who specifically you spoke to, because I think it kind of matters. Is somebody trying to do a side deal while Trump is doing a different deal? At that moment, he's honest and he says, no, President Trump was on the phone too. And I go, are you kidding me? You didn't tell me this yesterday. that there was some sort of a conference call and President Trump is on the line. You didn't mention, I went, did you lie to me yesterday? Were you trying to pretend that it was like a third party person? And he says, no, no, no, I didn't lie to you. I didn't lie to you. Like I got a phone call and I obviously in the background, Trump communicated something to me. So he was there when the phone call took place and I'm going, what the heck is going on? Literally what is happening right now?

1:00:11 Now I totally believe this story and of course Trump's not going to deny it but here's why I know this. I'm not writing myself in the story here. This is what I know. The left, the globalists are very smart in ways but they're also giving over to delusions so they think whoever they think is the top talk show host whether it's Joe Rogan, whoever, Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson. Because Netanyahu, months ago when he wanted this war to go, was calling Tucker. There were big fights. Tucker told me about privately, later came out in the news. They'll pick one person and think if we can get them to do what we want, suddenly this will all go away. So the fact that Macron's got Trump calling up and Trump's people calling up saying stop saying this. They've been arresting journalists and all the rest of it in France saying it. If it's not true, why are you running away from it? But a larger issue is,

1:00:59 The public has no trust of the system. You know, Michelle Obama, all this stuff. And so the other day, I don't know what the truth is, but I know Macron's wife looks like a man and Michelle Obama looks like a man. And whether we're right or not, it's free speech. We can say it. But what do you make of this? Well, I mean in the last days we know that this stuff's gonna begin to happen all this transgenderism all it says in the Old and New Testament Yeah, as in the days of Noah, so and but also it says Women will become men and women children over their parents. What's it? So what's the versus men will burn in their lust one towards another so will women and the Bible says that men will begin to have sexual relations with men and we're just seeing it happen, you know, our ministry really exploded and

1:01:41 And I think 2016 when the Supreme Court made a wrong decision to allow same-sex marriage. And I just came out and did a video one day called, I'm Coming Out of the Closet. We had like 5,000 followers on Facebook and that thing went super viral. And then from there, people couldn't figure out what bathroom to use at Target. And so it seemed like everything controversial with the moral decay of America that I would come against, our platform just grew and grew and grew and grew and grew and grew and grew. And I find it interesting that pastors just don't want to talk about these things. That's why I appreciate you. You're not a pastor, but you're willing to have a pastor on. We have so many cowardly pastors. I think it's the biggest problem in America, whether it's the Israeli issue, whether it's transgenderism, whether it's any of the political issues, whether it's Planned Parenthood, pastors won't speak.

1:02:22 And the left knows that if people are scared of controversy, they can make saying two men can't have a baby controversial or that carbon dioxide is poisonous when it makes plants live. And so once you give in to one little correct thing, they can move the goalposts until you do nothing. Until you say absolutely nothing. And so I'm going to say what the word of God says and let the chips fall where they may because I play to an audience of one and that's Jesus. As long as God's happy and my wife's still smiling when I get done with the sermon, I don't care what the rest of the church says. Right? exits in our church, they can walk out any of them that they want to. I'm not trying to build a crowd. People always ask who I work for. My audience is God. And I say what I believe is true. I'm wrong sometimes, but overall right. Exactly. My audience is God. And I just say what I think is true. It's empowering.

1:03:07 to do that because if you start thinking about what you're gonna say you can't people ask how can I talk so much how can I because I'm just saying what I think yeah I'm not putting the governor what's gonna happen if I say this yeah absolutely imagine thinking like that yeah think about John the Baptist right everybody knows John the Baptist but nobody knows the name of the guy that cut his head off You know why? Because the people trying to silence us will never be remembered by history. That executioner that went down there and took it, you know? He said do it. But whoever that executioner was, nobody will ever know his name. Nobody will ever know his name. But everybody knows John the Baptist. And didn't John the Baptist predict what was going to happen to her? Absolutely. And so everybody trying to silence the truth will never be remembered, but we will never be forgotten. We'll leave a heritage to our children's children. Because what shows I appeared on, I don't care if my kids remember that, how big our church is, how many movies we made. When I die, I want my kids to say, my dad was not a coward. My dad stood for truth.

1:03:55 at the expense of people shooting our house up this past October. Well I don't know about that what happened? Yeah we had a madman come to our house with a semi-automatic weapon 63 rounds in three... Wow I'm sorry I'm ignorant God I guess as your Christian pastor it didn't get as much news. Imagine that to a liberal or senator pull it up I'm sure it's there. Oh it's it's all over here. Type of pastor Greg Locke's home shot up shooting pull it up what happened? I've got I apologize. And here's what's crazy. We were coming back from a small little mini vacation. My wife felt like we needed to slow down for some reason. Long story short, the security footage showed my wife pulling into the driveway one minute after the madman jumped in his truck and drove away, shot up the house, shot up my truck, shot the windows out of my vehicle. And two of the bullets went through my daughter's bedroom, went into her headboard, and the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation pulled them out of her pillow. If would have been there just a minute earlier.

1:03:07 to do that because if you start thinking about what you're gonna say you can't people ask how can I talk so much how can I because I'm just saying what I think yeah I'm not putting the governor what's gonna happen if I say this yeah absolutely imagine thinking like that yeah think about John the Baptist right everybody knows John the Baptist but nobody knows the name of the guy that cut his head off You know why? Because the people trying to silence us will never be remembered by history. That executioner that went down there and took it, you know? He said do it. But whoever that executioner was, nobody will ever know his name. Nobody will ever know his name. But everybody knows John the Baptist. And didn't John the Baptist predict what was going to happen to her? Absolutely. And so everybody trying to silence the truth will never be remembered, but we will never be forgotten. We'll leave a heritage to our children's children. Because what shows I appeared on, I don't care if my kids remember that, how big our church is, how many movies we made. When I die, I want my kids to say, my dad was not a coward. My dad stood for truth.

1:03:55 at the expense of people shooting our house up this past October. Well I don't know about that what happened? Yeah we had a madman come to our house with a semi-automatic weapon 63 rounds in three... Wow I'm sorry I'm ignorant God I guess as your Christian pastor it didn't get as much news. Imagine that to a liberal or senator pull it up I'm sure it's there. Oh it's it's all over here. Type of pastor Greg Locke's home shot up shooting pull it up what happened? I've got I apologize. And here's what's crazy. We were coming back from a small little mini vacation. My wife felt like we needed to slow down for some reason. Long story short, the security footage showed my wife pulling into the driveway one minute after the madman jumped in his truck and drove away, shot up the house, shot up my truck, shot the windows out of my vehicle. And two of the bullets went through my daughter's bedroom, went into her headboard, and the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation pulled them out of her pillow. If would have been there just a minute earlier.

1:04:46 it would have been a much different story. Well, I didn't know about this. So tell the whole story and who he was. There it is, passes home shot by madman hit with at least 30 bullets. It was actually 60 WDBJCBS. Yeah. And so he's actually in jail. It was a young gangbanger guy. He had had a kind of a string of some violent things. And so he definitely picked the wrong house because all I did was put it out on Instagram. Why do you think he did it? Just demonic? Absolutely demonic. absolutely demonic because i think the more we stay we've had people burn entire trailers of bibles on Easter Sunday in our parking lot trying to get people out. We've had people try to- Well that's when you know you're doing the right thing is when the devil comes after you. So just tell the story. I didn't know this. Yeah, so I mean we've had, we have to have high security, high levels of security. You certainly understand that at our church. We've had people rush the stage. We get, you know, death threats, bomb threats, the whole deal. Why? It's not because I'm just some arrogant jerk that wants to be abrasive. It's because I'm speaking the truth. And when you speak the truth, people hate you when they hate the truth.

1:05:44 Well Christ said, if you follow me you're going to get persecuted. Yeah, oh 100% and you expect it. And so preachers are like, well you know we never have those problems in our church and I'm like, well I'm sorry you don't have enough authority to get demons stirred up. Well like they came after Jesus. Absolutely. He said they persecute me, they're going to persecute you. They killed the man for what he said and what he did. And so if you're not saying anything, no wonder Jesus said beware when all men speak well of you. If everybody likes what you say on social media, you should probably get off. So going back, I didn't know about this. Why did he do this? You know what, we really don't have an entire motive. It's some little gangbanger situation against our family. And so it's just, it's the craziest thing. Well how do you know you didn't get paid to do it? Yeah, absolutely. But again, one minute later and it would have been a very different story. So your wife had this feeling, like let's go to the gas station. I was actually following her in a vehicle and I called, I said, honey, I'm gonna stop and get some gas. But you were driving like

1:06:36 super slow compared to how you normally drive. She said, I just feel like the Holy Spirit wants me to get in a slow lane and just slow down. I'm like, why? And she's like, I don't know. So I got gas, I called up to her. So literally a demon was sending them in there. You'd have pulled in right on time and it killed you. It would have killed every one of us. And she was there with my kids and my grandkid, three of the kids. Well that's the thing, the devil, you're the expert on this, but he has his system, God has his. That's exactly right. And there is a devil, but he'll only go as far as God will let him go. And God will protect his people if you'll stand 100%. Well, I came up with this and tell me if you think I'm wrong, but everybody says the devil's greatest trick was he doesn't exist. I think that's his second trick. I think convincing us good doesn't exist and we don't have hope

1:07:18 and there's not good in the universe, I think that's his biggest trick. Sure, if he can take away your hope, then you have nothing left. No wonder we have high rates of suicide. So that is the devil's biggest trick? Oh, absolutely. If he can take away your hope, that's why Jesus is our hope. And the reason the devil wants to take away hope, because that's taking Jesus out of the conversation. And if the devil can mask Jesus, he's given us absolutely no hope. Because there's only one hope, and it's not Donald Trump, it's not anyone else, it's not the Israeli people, it's not Alex Jones or Greg Locke. The only hope for the world is is the gospel of Jesus.

1:08:09 The devil's biggest trick is that good doesn't exist and kind of hold, I was like go tell people that. It's like I literally get told say this. Yeah well the goodness of God exists because Romans 2 4 says the goodness of God leads you to repentance. So I tell our church when things aren't good God still is. So do you ever like God just tells you something? Oh yes absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And how do you know when it's gone? You just feel it? You do. And here's what's funny. If the Lord tells you to do something or say something or help someone, when you walk away, you'll have that nagging, oh my goodness, I knew I should have said that, right? And so it'll always be against the grain. It'll always make you feel weird. But I can be in a service, and you have to understand, I came very Baptist. I was against deliverance, any type of baptism of the Holy Spirit. I didn't believe in miracles. Or tongues, right? I didn't believe. I preached against all of it.

1:08:52 I was as respectfully as John MacArthur as they come, right? I was super Baptist, capital B. And the Lord said, I'm gonna embarrass you out of bad theology. And God did, and God began to prophetically download things into my life, and people began to speak into my life. And now he speaks to me in all various ways, which obviously never contradict the truth. This is the word of the Lord. People say, I wanna hear the voice of God. Then read your Bible, and God will give it to you. Well, the force is strong with you. We'll be right back with Pastor Greg Locke. You can find him at locke.org. media.org and pastor Locke on X we have a lot more to talk about and we'll talk about President Trump and where this world's going straight ahead stay with us

1:09:32 the show. Pastor Greg Locke is going to be on in the second hour of the war room four p.m. today. Be sure and watch Owen coming up. He'll be loaded for barrel. The latest news. There's been an intriguing discussion. I'm glad this happened. I want to get him on the show. That's probably overly aggressive about the clip I saw, but I was being mixed in with things I don't agree with. Uh but then I went way more board than he did so to share on that, but bigger On your spiritual radar. and you're on President Trump's National Faith Advisory Board, there's no doubt Trump is being protected. We saw what's happened. We witnessed it all. The Holy Spirit tells me Trump's good. I was one of his earliest backers. I've been incredibly persecuted for supporting him. That's always another great sign. And so I'm like a bomber in World War II. They didn't have really good radar. They went where the flack was. That was where the targets were. But this is a new Trump.

1:10:31 He's totally committed to what he's doing. I'm going to criticize things I think are wrong, but he continually ends up being right. How would you prophetically, what's the Holy Spirit tell you at a cellular spiritual level about Trump and the time we're headed into and what America's facing and just any other big issues you want to get into? I think Trump, you know, I'm not one of these guys that's going to broad stroke it and say, oh yeah, he's one of the greatest Christians that ever lived. I do believe he is very hungry for the truth and that's why he has surrounded himself with a group of men and women around God chooses people throughout the Bible history that a lot of times that weren't even believers. Oh, absolutely. He chooses. I mean he is as many people have prophesied the Cyrus of our day, which is very interesting which Cyrus in that day was able to free the Jewish people and I think that's why Israel loves Donald Trump so much, but he surrounded himself. He's insulated himself with

1:11:21 people that are giving him good wisdom. And I mean, there's prayer there. I've been there many times when there's been prayer, there's been preaching, there's been prophecy, there's literally been just worship in the White House and it's beautiful to behold. And then people get mad, right? Christians love fighting each other and killing each other and all this nonsense. But we like to act like Pharisees too. Yeah, yeah, and they're like, oh well, we don't like the fact that Paula White heads up the National Faith Advisory Board. She has been his spiritual confidant, his pastor for like 25 years. By the way, I never really, I know other big pastors And this is, he calls her up for years and years and just asks her to pray. Yeah, 25 years. I mean, when nobody's around. Yeah. And she's never asked for a dime. She never will. She's nothing like people have portrayed her, much like you and me. You know, we would meet and sit down and people would be like, wow, I go to CNN and they're like, I can't

1:12:07 I kind of like this guy, right? But they would never say that on camera. And so she's just godly and humble. And now he's been able to surround himself with people that pray for him on a regular basis. I mean, he's studying the Bible with folks. And I get it. We're not looking for a nation that's run by a pastor, right? He's a president. But the fact that the church can't rejoice that we have more faith and more Jesus and more Bible So-called Republican presidents had never done the March for Life. He was the first to do it. First to do it I mean we ought to rejoice that we're having so much opportunity people say why would you vote for Trump? You like everything he does? No, I like the fact that he gives me a platform to do what God calls me to do. Well exactly, just because in between divorces he's been

1:12:46 with women. Like you said, King David had his best friend killed for his wife. Yeah, he sure did. But he was a man for God's own heart who repented. Yeah, he sure did. So Trump didn't do 1-100th what King David did. And everybody wants to bring up his past. We've all got one, right? They call me a pastor because my job is to put your past where it belongs behind you, right? But Trump's past is not his present. What bothers me about the left is they're still doing nonsense, but they're talking about his past like he's doing it now. No, I believe Trump had an experience with the Lord that changed him and I believe he's now in a moment of growth. I think it was before the shooting, but I think the shooting finalized that. It did some of that blue drink.

1:13:23 I mean spiritually it gave him a new lease to understand there's a God in heaven that has my very breath in the palm of his hand and I better take that serious. So he became that day a better steward of being a president. It was definitely the 2.0 Trump after that. I saw it, I agree with what you said, the six months before the persecution he had to... and then when that happened, when he popped back up, it was biblical. You can't go through that much persecution and not turn yourself inside out and start asking some God questions. And he's asking the right questions and he has the right people around him. And I don't know if he did the first time. I think he had some people around him the first time. He just wanted some photos. He admits he didn't understand the thing because it was complex. Yeah, but I believe he's hungry. His heart is like the heart of a child right now when it comes to the things of God. He's very tender and I pray he stays that way. The left, the Democrat party, is at all-time lows, breaking records. Their fundraising is flatlined.

1:14:17 people are getting more radical. They're getting more radical. What happens to them? And we need a two party system, obviously. Where do you think that's going? I think it's going in our favor because people are sick of it. Even the younger generation. They're sick of the woke weak nonsense. They're tired of it, and they're coming back to conservative values. And so I believe it's this prophetic shift in the atmosphere where people are going to start coming to the right side and say, You know what? We're tired of people that won't stand and we're going to vote them about them because right now people are like man we're just swimming in the weeds there's so much ridiculous stuff going on out there not only butchering babies but I'm we're talking about we can't figure out what bathroom to use it's just it's nonsense people are using you know kitty litter boxes the devil since we could confusion Oh 100% confusion God's not the author of it 1st Corinthians 1433 but the devil is and there's a lot of confusion and I just say hey we just break the power of that confusion in the name of Jesus so there is

1:13:23 I mean spiritually it gave him a new lease to understand there's a God in heaven that has my very breath in the palm of his hand and I better take that serious. So he became that day a better steward of being a president. It was definitely the 2.0 Trump after that. I saw it, I agree with what you said, the six months before the persecution he had to... and then when that happened, when he popped back up, it was biblical. You can't go through that much persecution and not turn yourself inside out and start asking some God questions. And he's asking the right questions and he has the right people around him. And I don't know if he did the first time. I think he had some people around him the first time. He just wanted some photos. He admits he didn't understand the thing because it was complex. Yeah, but I believe he's hungry. His heart is like the heart of a child right now when it comes to the things of God. He's very tender and I pray he stays that way. The left, the Democrat party, is at all-time lows, breaking records. Their fundraising is flatlined.

1:14:17 people are getting more radical. They're getting more radical. What happens to them? And we need a two party system, obviously. Where do you think that's going? I think it's going in our favor because people are sick of it. Even the younger generation. They're sick of the woke weak nonsense. They're tired of it, and they're coming back to conservative values. And so I believe it's this prophetic shift in the atmosphere where people are going to start coming to the right side and say, You know what? We're tired of people that won't stand and we're going to vote them about them because right now people are like man we're just swimming in the weeds there's so much ridiculous stuff going on out there not only butchering babies but I'm we're talking about we can't figure out what bathroom to use it's just it's nonsense people are using you know kitty litter boxes the devil since we could confusion Oh 100% confusion God's not the author of it 1st Corinthians 1433 but the devil is and there's a lot of confusion and I just say hey we just break the power of that confusion in the name of Jesus so there is

1:15:20 you see the news, the numbers, but I see it everywhere. I had the necessary and I had Nick Fuentes on and I can see both the perspectives and I literally because I wanted to have both sides. We had X questions and phone calls. All of them were anti-Israel. Every one of them. So you can look at polls all day, but that millions of people tuned in. We couldn't get one coherent question that was pro-Israel. And I wasn't trying to prop Israel up. I just wanted to be fair. That is again, real world example of massive anti-Israel and they have nuclear weapons. So even if you hate Israel and want to blow it all away, that would trigger a nuclear war. So where do you see that going? Well, God's not gonna allow it to happen as far as the nation of Israel is concerned, you know. And I believe that there will be a regime change in Iran. And I believe we can thank Israel because of that. And I believe we have to have one from a prophetic, from a pastoral standpoint. I'm not talking about politics.

1:16:17 from a prophetic standpoint, I believe that regime will fall and we will have a very short window, a space of grace where the gospel will be able to go into Iran in that area and we will see millions of people converted to biblical Christianity and we will be able to thank the Jews for giving us the opportunity of preaching the gospel in Iran. So the regime change is going to come. How do you respond? I mean here's a thing that was put out I think this is Candace Owens and I've been getting calls about this that there are Israeli groups funding preachers. I think they do haggie openly. And my concern is about AIPAC being involved in our policy, whether it was, you know, I don't want the Chinese government involved in our policy. Have you ever seen or heard about Israel giving money to preachers to be pro-Israel? I've only heard that through Candace. They're certainly not giving me any money and they don't have to give me money to stand for Israel because God's blessing me for standing for Israel. So whether they are or not, I don't know. But what we do know is the left is funding a lot of pastors.

1:17:18 Because God's not gonna judge these pastors by what they say, but by what they don't say. I'm not against a lot of the things these guys say, I'm against what they refuse to say. They won't stand on the issues. So are the Jewish people paying pastors to be pro-Israel? I don't know. You don't have to pay me for it, but what I do know is that Soros and the rest of that crowd are paying pastors to be anti-Israel and anti-God and not to say anything about the issues. But at the end of the day, they can do what they want to, but know this about me, I am not for sale. You can forget that. I've got a clip on the list that I was going to play today before you came on and I didn't. It's an older clip, but it illustrates. Remember that fake woman preacher that got up during a prayer event?

1:16:17 from a prophetic standpoint, I believe that regime will fall and we will have a very short window, a space of grace where the gospel will be able to go into Iran in that area and we will see millions of people converted to biblical Christianity and we will be able to thank the Jews for giving us the opportunity of preaching the gospel in Iran. So the regime change is going to come. How do you respond? I mean here's a thing that was put out I think this is Candace Owens and I've been getting calls about this that there are Israeli groups funding preachers. I think they do haggie openly. And my concern is about AIPAC being involved in our policy, whether it was, you know, I don't want the Chinese government involved in our policy. Have you ever seen or heard about Israel giving money to preachers to be pro-Israel? I've only heard that through Candace. They're certainly not giving me any money and they don't have to give me money to stand for Israel because God's blessing me for standing for Israel. So whether they are or not, I don't know. But what we do know is the left is funding a lot of pastors.

1:17:18 Because God's not gonna judge these pastors by what they say, but by what they don't say. I'm not against a lot of the things these guys say, I'm against what they refuse to say. They won't stand on the issues. So are the Jewish people paying pastors to be pro-Israel? I don't know. You don't have to pay me for it, but what I do know is that Soros and the rest of that crowd are paying pastors to be anti-Israel and anti-God and not to say anything about the issues. But at the end of the day, they can do what they want to, but know this about me, I am not for sale. You can forget that. I've got a clip on the list that I was going to play today before you came on and I didn't. It's an older clip, but it illustrates. Remember that fake woman preacher that got up during a prayer event?

1:17:58 that Trump put on and she said you're evil, you're hurting migrants, you're being a mean person. She gets 50-something million dollars a year and is basically aiding the human smuggling of people. And that's that ecumenicalism and the Rockefeller Foundation, the UN and the Jesuits literally taking over the church. And it's not like they're a preacher that's been bought off. They were fake preachers from the beginning. That's a big, and you're right, the real liberation theology, the anti-white stuff. We know that's the massive funding going on. Yeah, absolutely. I mean they are promoting that from their pulpits, but they are being paid to do that. There is no doubt. It's a wicked agenda. So how do you counter that? Well, I think we counter just by standing on the truth of the gospel, right? We're not gonna be for sale. We're not gonna, I tell people, back up, pack up, slack up, or shut up. And so we're just gonna preach the truth and

1:18:48 and the purity of the truth of Jesus is going to clean some of that out. I think one of the greatest things that's going to happen are people leave these liberal left-leaning churches and they get in a red-hot church where the Holy Spirit is working, where miracles are happening, where deliverance is taking place, and where lives are being changed. If you go to a church that will not stand up for the truth, and they refuse to talk against abortion and against LGBT. You gotta get out. You gotta quit trying to say, well I'm just gonna change it from the inside out. You've been saying that for 20 years and you've raised your kids in a dead church. Get out and find a man of God that'll stand up and prophetically say this is what the Bible says and they won't back down. God'll bless that. He'll just bless that. Guys, for some reason I can't find that clip I seen this morning. I think it's on the list. It's that, what's her name?

1:19:34 the woman that looks like she's a Lutheran woman right? She looks like a corpse and she gets up and says how dare you be mean to the migrants yeah and then she's on the payroll helping the support of smuggling and of course we already know that but they use our emotion in all this when they're bringing these people to suck off of them to use them as a permanent underclass as a new voting class and they use this this fake christian thing of oh be nice to people and the Vatican does that too in the last pope but then they don't take any of these illegal aliens in Vatican City. No not at all they got big walls too. They get all mad about building walls. Well God built a wall around heaven and there's only certain people going to get in and that's those that are saved by the grace of God. Well the Democrats all have their own private walls of security. It's like Minnesota, Minneapolis when they defunded the police and hired millions of dollars private security. Here's clip nine. Bishop

1:20:22 Marion Edgar Episcopal Migration Ministries, $53 million a year from government program just one year. And again, she didn't disclose that when she went up there. This is ridiculous. Here it is. Remember her Bishop Mary Ann Buddy, who gave a sermon at the Washington National Cathedral the day after the inauguration and in her prayer urged President Trump to quote, have mercy on various groups, specifically illegal migrants. Well, it turns out that Bishop Marianne Buddies Episcopal Migration Ministries, EMM, during the Biden administration received $53 million from government programs for immigrant resettlement. And that is

1:21:15 is just 2023. The 2024 numbers haven't even been released yet. So my guess is she probably received back-to-back payments. And now it all makes sense why she said this in her sermon. I ask you to have mercy, Mr. President, on those in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away. It wasn't praying for them, she was praying for her. Bank account, you always have to follow the money. Christ warns us over and over again about servants of the devil posing as leaders, it's so obvious. And you've got, even where you're at in Tennessee and Chattanooga, you know, this big Democrat preacher on TV whose wife gets all the NGO money saying, killing Elon Musk, he's stealing your social security, which is a total lie. He should be indicted. I mean, look at these people. They know what they're doing. I drive around Austin, the First Methodist Church, all this stuff.

1:22:13 Rainbow flags, total, I mean this is Satan taking over a microcosm of the Third Temple. Yeah, and he's using the pulpits to do it because the Bible says the devil clearly can be transformed into an angel of light. So we're looking for the devil under the bushes. You better look in the pulpits because these people that claim to be men and women of God are not speaking the truth. And it's so simple. the devil knows people trying to come to God, trying to find it, trying to have fellowship. His main attack is going to be the church and not just the Christian church, he's going to try to take over the Jews and take all the groups. All of it, every bit of it. Anything that has anything to do with the Bible and the history of it, he is going to try to denigrate it and destroy it. But it's not going to work in the end. I know no man know at the time, it comes like a thief of the night in Christ. Anybody, any man tells you, beware of them basically paraphrasing it. But just from your own research, where are we

1:23:06 I know you don't know but just gut level, where are we on the timeline for end times? You know like the sons of Issachar, they understood the signs of the times. So we don't know when he's going to come but we have enough spiritual sense to not be ignorant of what is happening. AI, world government, cashless society. Every bit of that is here right this moment. AI is going to be so used as the beast system, the cashless society, all of it. A false omnipresence. A false omnipresence. and the Antichrist is going to use it, people are going to fall for it, they're going to be duped. And his image will be seen by everybody in the world? Everybody. Television, holograms? Just like we talked about those witnesses that get killed, they're seen all over the world being killed, everybody sends gifts, oh hip hip hurrah these fiery preachers are dead, three days later God resurrects them. And then everybody's like holy smokes, what do we have going on here? Because God is going to use their system against them.

1:23:54 because that's what makes him sovereign. God is able to use the devil against himself. And everything God does is repeated, just like Trump gets shot, goes down, pops back up. Yeah, it's gonna happen. I mean, God's plan is going... the devil cannot stop what God has set in motion. He can't. In your life, my life, or an American life? Give us a little timeline, but the Antichrist also gets a mortal wound and pops back up. He does. He's gonna get shot in the head, and he's gonna pop back up, and then at that point, everybody's gonna be like, wow, this guy does have some power. And so... What about the argument they could say that's Trump, which I don't think he's the Antichrist. He's not. I don't feel that spiritually. I don't believe he fits geographically, racially, or in any other way. Absolutely not. Just because he's bringing about some peace deals. So the devil creates counterfeits, though. Oh yeah. You know, there's... So what... So, just a brief, we're almost out of time here, we've got another show coming up, but what...

1:24:39 I mean in general just a quick synopsis how Revelation unfolds. Alright, Revelation will unfold when here we are in the end times the beginning of sorrows not the sorrows the beginning of sorrows Matthew chapter 24 and regardless... Like birth pains. Yeah regardless of when people believe you know pre-rapture post-rapture this that and the other that doesn't really matter because the whole theme of the Bible is make sure you are ready. Make sure you know Christ, make sure you have the Holy Ghost, and then you are ready. So when he's going to come doesn't matter. We know that when he comes again, the Bible says he'll sit down on the Mount of Olives, it'll split north and south, he'll walk through the Kidron Valley, he'll go right through the Eastern Gate that the Ottomans bricked up in what, 1587? Because the Muslims said, you know, we don't want this prophecy to be fulfilled. No holy man's gonna walk through a cemetery.

1:25:22 Well, sorry to say the last enemy that will be destroyed is death and Jesus is gonna walk right over death and he's gonna bring life to the entire world. Now there's gonna be a time that things get bad. There's gonna be a remnant of Israel that is left and there's gonna be destruction, there's gonna be wars, there's gonna be rumors of wars, earthquakes, sickness, pestilence. And the two witnesses, how do they come in? Yeah, they will come in halfway through the tribulation in three and a half years and then the last three and a half years is called the Great Tribulation. And the Bible says except those days are shortened, nobody's gonna survive it. If it went one day longer, everybody would die. Nuclear war. Yeah, the whole deal. And you know... So what this is fascinating, so what happens? Yeah, well, you know, everybody thinks, is the world gonna be destroyed through nuclear weapons? You know, God spoke the world into existence. He's gonna speak the world out of existence.

1:26:04 You know, the Bible says in 1 and 2 Peter that the elements shall melt with a fervent heat. I believe that Jesus will speak the word and everybody's like, save the world, save the world. There's no need because God's gonna burn it up. He's gonna create a new heaven and a new earth. He rolls it up like a scroll. Yeah, he's gonna create a new Jerusalem, right? From Jerusalem, it's gonna come down out of the sky and we're gonna rule and reign with Christ for a thousand years and then forever in eternity. And so the idea of an Antichrist and a beast system and all this is It's scary until you recognize that God wins in the end. It's like God says, checkmate devil, you will not win. You'll take some people with you, but you will not win. I am going to reign supreme and victorious. And so are we because he is. So how does Armageddon come together? Armageddon will come in at the end of those end times, at the end of the tribulation period. Napoleon, when he saw the Megiddo Valley, he said, this is the greatest battlefield on the planet.

1:26:58 having no idea prophetically what he was speaking because the battle of Armageddon will take place there. Jesus will return. Revelation chapter 19, the word of God will come out of his mouth and he will obliterate the enemy. So is that Megiddo? Yep. Yeah, it's a beautiful place to see and it is a battlefield, a crescent battlefield. Describe it. Why did Napoleon say it was such a great battlefield? Well, when he saw it because the way it's situated in the mountains, there's a valley and there's really one way in but then there's really no way out. So those groups, those nations are going to come down into that valley. Jesus is going to show up and annihilate everyone. It's a trap. It's a trap and God's already set the trap. You better get on the right side of history, ladies and gentlemen, because God is always right. And when you see the devil and his forces

1:27:37 Think it's all or they sell it like oh, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy the Rothschilds of a great Israel And so they think they're like they're actually fulfilling it, but they think they're gonna win. Oh, yeah, they are fulfilling it It is a self-fulfilling prophecy Because no word that is spoken out of the mouth of the Holy Spirit is going to fall to the ground Isaiah 55 says God's Word will not return void it will accomplish what he sends it to do and And even Spurgeon said, there is a devil, but he's God's devil. He's a dog on a leash that can do only what God says he can do. Well that's what the Satanists always say, the higher level ones, the actual real ones, not their camp followers is, your God's a sadist, he allowed all this to happen, but God gave us free will, we're deciding. And then you can say, well God already has predetermined it, because he knows the beginning, the middle, and the end, but he really gave us free will. It's not that he made us do what we did, he just knows the outcome. Yeah, absolutely he did. The Bible says, it's kind of like this idea, this iPhone I hold in my hand, the guy that made the iPhone's not in there fixing all the stuff when I push the buttons.

1:28:37 He made the iPhone technologically, but he lives independent of it. God made the whole world, but he's not in there pushing all the buttons. He gave it to us. And we're the ones that put the truck in the ditch, right? He gave it to us. And the precursor is like Nineveh and Jonah. Yeah. Like they could make the decision to get the reprieve. That's exactly right. And when we repent, God blesses. When we don't, retribution comes. The theme of the Bible, if you summed up everything in the Bible, okay, there's 1189 chapters in the Bible, 791,328 words. If you took them all and summarized it in one sentence, here's what the theme of the Bible is. Judgment may be delayed, but judgment will come.

1:29:13 It will come. So you better make sure you're right when it comes because it's coming. And the whole universe is judgment. It's cause and effect. Absolutely, it's cause and effect. So what is hell? Hell is a literal place, I believe an actual literal place different from the lake of fire. Hell and death will be cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 20 11 through 15. But hell is a place that people go when they reject Jesus as their Savior. And so hell and death is like the consciousness of evil. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I believe it's a literal place in the center of the earth now, I believe, and that's a whole long thing, Luke chapter 16. But when Jesus went down to the heart of the earth, he led captivity captive, he closed down paradise, Abraham's bosom.

1:29:52 Isaiah 514, hell enlarged itself and now all the middle of the earth is hell. People are there but there will come a day that it will come up and it will stand before God because everyone must stand at the great white throne judgment and if your name's not found written in the book of life you're cast into the eternal lake of fire. So at the end of Revelation God rolls up the universe like a scroll? Yeah, rolls it up like a scroll. So this whole thing was just a big war game. It's not an actual simulation, it's a real real world 3D simulation. Absolutely. So what happens to hell once God destroys reality? Well, hell will go into the lake of fire. Lake of fire is not on the earth. I believe it's in the outer spaces somewhere. I don't know. The Bible is not plain. To me, it's really...

1:30:33 absence of God. Yeah, oh it's unbelievably the absence of God but it's also the understanding and the acceptance of torment, right? Future actual torment. But we can look at hell and we can be afraid, we can look at all of these things but you know there really is in the Bible good news about hell and that is you don't have to go because you can be born again. But then some would say well that's just a way to scare people but then we see the Satan that's trying to build hell on earth. Yeah. I'm not trying to scare people, I'm trying to prepare people. And I'm preparing them by telling them the words of Jesus, because that's all I've got to stand on. I'm not questioning God, but to me, God is so loving and so good. Why not just erase people and just, they don't exist anymore? Why stick them in torment forever? Well, you have to understand that yes, God is love, but God is holy. If God weren't love, he would still be holy. Everything about God, even his name, the Holy Spirit, everything about God is holiness. So I don't think the

1:31:32 The bigger question is, why would God send people to hell? I think the better question is, why would God even let us go to heaven? Because of his mercy. Because of his grace. God never sent anybody to hell. We'll send ourselves there by rejecting the simple claims of Christianity. And the claim is, I love you. Well, I know this. Being around the left and how evil they are, the absence of God with them would be hell. Yeah, absolutely. So we're eternal creatures and so we're gonna have to either be with God or not. To be absent from the body is present with the Lord. The second I leave this shale, I'm gonna be in God's presence. And I know that affirmatively because of what the Bible teaches. And I stand on that.