GLOBAL EXCLUSIVE: FBI Director Kash Patel Fired Senior FBI Agents After They Threatened To Leak Information About Conversations On The Director's Jet

00:00 The bottom line up front is this, the pilot. who flies Kash Patel's private jet right now, a Gulfstream 550 FBI aircraft, was previously in his post just before that, running the investigation into Mar-a-Lago on behalf of Jack Smith that resulted in a search warrant at the now president's house. That sounds really scandalous. So the question is, how do you end up with the guy who ran the case into the current president, now flying around the current FBI director and listening in on all of his conversations? And it goes something like this. I gave advice to Kash Patel early on. I was giving him advice all the way through the nomination process, through the confirmation process, and the minute he was confirmed, he cut me off and no longer started talking. So now he gets the information that I share the same way that any of you would. They listen to my podcast, which is a really awkward thing to find out that the FBI director was catching up on my show and yelling about it and calling me an MF-er apparently. So we put out a thread on Monday of this week

00:57 On Friday, I gave the Trump administration a little bit of a heads up. I called an insider, somebody that I know and trust and said, here's some information. The pilot who was flying cash Patel was the case agent on the Mar-a-Lago case. You should know that this is the person's name. Here's his FAA airman receipts. This is his type certifications on planes. This is his address, which I didn't share, but I said, look, it ties into what goes on over the FAA database. The address that's on file with the tax assessor shows that he's law enforcement. In other words, it's redacted. It says name withheld on behalf of the owner, which is a thing that Virginia does for law enforcement officers. So I gave him all the evidence to be able to make sure that this was the guy. And then I showed them that this guy, Christopher Meyer, was not just the pilot, not just the guy who worked on the Mar-a-Lago case, but he also was the person who was involved in the arrest of one Harrison Floyd.

01:46 Harrison Floyd was one of the guys that went to jail and spent time in the courthouse and alongside Donald Trump as a defendant in Fulton County. So he was part of the Leticia James, not the Leticia James, whatever that other lady, Fannie, the AG Fannie that was in there that was going after Trump and co in the local cases that were happening. So you've got this guy, he helped arrest Harrison Floyd. His partner on that arrest was another guy named Walter Gardena. And Gardena and Chris Meyer apparently had been ordered fired. So that's of note that came as a result of this thread which went out viral on Monday. I gave him two days to respond to it, and then we published it. The story goes forward because nobody was

02:26 Moving forward, what we also found out is that the former number one at the FBI, the acting director at the time when Donald Trump took office, a guy named Brian Driscoll, has also been ordered removed. And the insiders that I had told me that the conversation that went on in the office went something like this. You need to fire that pilot who's underneath your sort of chain of command. He said you can't do that because he's a veteran. And he said, I want him fired anyway. And he said, do you really wanna fire the guy who spent seven months listening to your conversations and flying around in a private jet with you? Which whether it's an implied threat or not, it is one of those kind of things that we all worried about. What does leverage look like? What does it look like to have access? It's the reason why you wouldn't want a case agent from Mar-a-Lago actually flying the plane and having direct shoulder rubs

03:11 with the current director of the FBI. There was a communication between Jeffrey Epstein, it was either a captured jail call or something to that effect. And he was communicating to someone that he was displeased with the unfair treatment that he got. And he referenced several people who had less unfair treatment than what he was getting, and Donald Trump was one of the names. And it wasn't in reference to pedophilia in general, it was just about being demonized in public as far as I understand it. So that was the claim that I heard, that was probably briefed in a much more negative light to Trump by the time it got to him, because why tell him the truth? You tell him it's something much more salacious. And then he made some decisions based on that information, all of which after that point had been bad.

03:47 That's the understanding that I have that it was what I would again called non derogatory information and every PR move since then is basically locked him into this pattern of behavior where he's gonna go back and forth. They've claimed they're gonna get grand jury information. The grand jury information was substantially the same as presented in court. All this stuff is actually fairly old. So if there was a new Jeffrey M. Stevens information, it wouldn't have been there. This is executive information. So what are they gonna do? Most of them have NDAs where they're actually not allowed to share information cuz it's not theirs. If they're gonna go out there and they're gonna call these people, this is all dog and pony to me. You're talking about something that if the Trump administration really wanted this.

04:28 Yeah, of course, because look, if there was information that wanted to be released, who's the ultimate authority on declassifying and sharing information in the United States? Trump. It's the president, the end. There's no negotiation. So it doesn't matter what Mike Johnson asked for or Chuck Grassley goes for, Jim Jordan. You can have all the hearings you want. I love the cue cards. Trump is doing this trillion D chess to make the Democrats release it. He's got full control. He owns it all, yeah. You don't need somebody else's permission when you're the boss. The government fears Alex Jones, who has the largest audience in the country, bigger than any of the networks, the biggest megaphone in the country. The deep state hates Alex Jones with a vengeance. Alex Jones is the most extraordinary person I've ever met. Alex Jones has good genes.

06:14 Jan 6 ringleaders before during and after then persecuted all these innocent people little ladies being led in between the velvet robes and Boy, they tried to get him indicted. They went to Senator Grassley and said this guy can't be trusted and Grassley rejected it. They never hired a boil back that exposed all the stuff Obama and then Biden were doing targeting the Catholics and the parents at school boards saying we don't want transgenderism and DEI taught and our girls getting raped the bathrooms by boys that say they're girls. And now he's vindicated and it shows a good turn. Trump administration forces out FBI officials, the very people that Serafin exposed. And he was hammering them this week

07:02 Because they're so scared of good people like Serafin exposing. Vetting crisis continues. You talk about finger on the pulse, we'll get the latest on this with Kyle Serafin, now popular podcaster and journalist and analyst. And look at Epstein and his latest inside baseball on that. And Trump doing another bizarre 180 yesterday. We're gonna look at Epstein. We're not gonna look at Epstein. It's a hoax. There's nothing there. Now we're gonna look at it. Now we're not gonna look at it. Oh my God, it's BS. Don't look at it. It's a hoax. I mean, Streisand of Streisand. Kyle Serafin, we're going to break here in a few minutes. I know it doesn't feel good to be vindicated, but it's gotta feel good to have these top guys out. What is the analysis on this?

07:48 Alex, you know I'm not one to kind of toot my own horn and I actually tend to underplay what I think I know about going on in the bureau. What I heard was is that Kash Patel was watching one of the podcasts that I did earlier this week and one of them from last week and was screaming expletives. And that resulted in the removal of this guy, Brian Driscoll. The story is, and I can give you the long form version a little bit later, but essentially, Kash said he wanted that pilot that I highlighted on Monday on X, got a viral post with about 3 million views. And we show that Chris Meyer, who was the case agent on the Mar-a-Lago case against President Trump. So that resulted in the search warrant. Apparently, Cash asked for that pilot to be removed. Driscoll is the guy who was the former acting director of the FBI when Cash came in. He was the number one guy. He got moved into a cush spot where he was in charge of what's called CIRG, the Critical Incident Response Unit.

08:37 which handles FBI tactical, all of FBI surveillance. And it also happens to have the fleet of FBI planes and jets. And so that means the pilots answer to him at the top level. He was asked to get rid of this pilot. Driscoll said no, that can't be done. He's a combat veteran. He's an American patriot. He actually didn't wanna do the raid on Mar-a-Lago and all that stuff was problematic. And Cash told him to do it anyway. And then my sources tell me that about two hours later, Driscoll got an email saying that you're gonna be removed effectively on Friday at the end of this week. I'm so mad at myself because you called me over a week ago and said, would you like to break this week? All this stuff with this pilot and being the Mar-a-Lago people and all this. And I said, yes. And then I've had family issues, family health issues. I've been dealing with family, my dad and stuff.

09:22 And then I said, yeah, let's do Monday. And then I've been so busy, I forgot you broke all this. And so this is kind of like we're having our own private discussion right now. We'll unpack all this. But wow, like you say, you don't usually toot your horn because who wants to get indicted if we piss these people off. But we have a responsibility. And maybe I subconsciously, I said I wanted the store, but maybe I subconsciously didn't push it because like, oh my God, we're Let's explain why Patel flipped out when we come back. Cause this is, this is people are like, what, what, what you talking about? How does a pilot have to do with all these J six, you know, ring race being fired. Cause it's not just one, it's three of them. We'll explain it all with Kyle Serafin, who is really putting his neck out there on all of this. So I just realized when you started saying, Oh wow, I dropped the ball. It doesn't matter. We're going to carry the ball now. It's okay. If you fumble, if you still win,

10:15 The overall downs. All right. Our number three straight ahead, back in two minutes with top FBI whistleblower, Kyle Serafin stay with us. All right. We unfortunately only have 30 minutes. We'll call Sarah from I want to invite him back up tomorrow if he can for full hour. Kyle brought me this story over a week ago. We were going to do it Friday. They said, well, I got more information on a wait till Monday. And then I, he was texting me. I didn't get back with him. And Then this morning I see they fired these top J6, I would call them conspirators, from the deep state at every level of it. And then I go, call Kyle, he's been calling for this since day one of the administration. Getting a lot of heat for it, and then he goes on air and reminds me.

10:58 No, it's the pilot. It's the guy that raided Mar-a-Lago. It's all of it. And he goes, I don't want to toot my horn yet because you don't want to toot your horn on this stuff, folks. Embarrassing the FBI, even if you save the country. Almost always down the road, they throw your ass in jail. They've already tried to indict Kyle for this, for exposing all this stuff before. They're trying to get me. I just have a job to do. So when we tell you this is dangerous, this is dangerous. And then it kind of hit me. I'd forgotten the dots that were being connected. So just go slow. I'm going to shut up now. This is a short segment, longer segment coming up. Maybe we can push the next guest back a little bit. But just walk because you're worse than I am. And I mean that in a good way. Your brain works so quick that there's so many... Just go slow and start at the beginning here because this is a big deal. I think this is the biggest thing you've ever broken. And you've broken a lot of big stuff. And I also think it's the most dangerous. Call Sarafran.

11:47 All right, so here's the deal. There's a man named Brian Driscoll who reportedly is being fired by the FBI as of tomorrow or he's going to be forced into retirement. Brian Driscoll was tapped kind of unexpectedly and apparently it was an actual accident when the Trump administration took over on January 20th, he was moved into the position of what's called acting director. So he went from being kind of a smaller official in the bureau, he went to the number one guy, and apparently he was supposed to be the number two guy. They accidentally moved him into this place, and so he took over. Brian Driscoll, apparently by all accounts, is an honorable person. He worked on HRT. He spent time as an HRT operator and a team leader. He was in charge as a section chief of the Critical Incident Response Group, which is HRT and the other tactical sections. And during his leadership, we're told by people none other than Don Jr.,

12:37 that Mar-a-Lago was raided not just by the FBI SWAT team in Miami, but also by the FBI's tier one SWAT team, which is called the hostage rescue group. The team that Driscoll used to be a member of, was a team leader of, and then was the commander of. They actually use the term commander like like a military thing. So he was the number one in the FBI before Kash Patel was confirmed and he had about a month in there. A couple of things that are really relevant, he immediately showed some signs of loyalty to the FBI and not to what was sort of the American people's mandate because he refused to hand over a bunch of names of the folks that investigated January Sixers. People will remember this, it resulted in some lawfare. Guys like Norm Eisen, whose name I forgot the other day when I was talking, Mark Zaid was involved. And they're representing the FBI Agents Association suing the FBI saying we don't want those names given over to the DOJ. Brian Driscoll was the guy at the front of it.

13:27 And he became kind of a folk hero in the FBI because of that, cuz he stood on principle, which is not a bad thing. I don't have any personal animus against Mr. Driscoll. Never worked with him. People I know said he was a good guy. So all that's out there. They started making challenge coins. What would the Driz do? That's his nickname, the Driz. All these kind of things, they started kind of creating this legend of this man who stood up to the Trump administration. So he immediately became a figure of like quote unquote resistance to these folks. As of today, we're hearing that he's being forced out. And the reason that came out is because, as I told you on the weekend or over the weekend, on Friday, I spoke to someone who's a member of the Trump administration. I'll be nebulous here so we don't get anybody in trouble. And I shared that we were going to break news and I had done it on my podcast that a guy named Chris Meyer

14:09 who is a pilot and an Air Force veteran, I think. He might be a Navy veteran, but my information's a little sketchy. He was a pilot that is now flying the FBI director's jet. But before he flew the FBI director's jet, he was in a different position at a criminal squad at the NVRA, which is the FBI Washington Field Office satellite office out in Manassas. And he ran the criminal case that helped Jack Smith and resulted in the search warrant that went to Mar-a-Lago. So that's the setup for what we're talking about. A pilot who helped raid Mar-a-Lago, who ran that case, who now is flying the FBI director's jet. We exposed it, and now the guy who is his boss's boss is apparently fired. All right, this is incredible. And you broke all this. This is just incredible. Stay with us, we'll be right back in 60 seconds. Popular

15:00 podcaster and journalist and former FBI counterterrorism agent Kyle Serafin is our guest on X at Kyle Serafin and of course you can find him at kyleserafin.com. Kyle, I'm a pretty smart guy and this is not convoluted but it's complex and the story began to develop you know sometime last week you contacted me you want to break this big thing about the pilot being in the Mar-a-Lago raid and you know the private you know 70 million dollar jet for Kash Patel And then it ties into this, it ties into that, it ties into... And then later you're like, well, let's do it Monday. And I'm like, sure. And then I'm, well, let's talk so I can get more. And then we both get busy and we don't talk. And then I don't get you on Monday. And then now I'm understanding as we're on air that this is tied to the big J6 overlords before J6, during J6, the persecution after J6, and three of these big dogs getting fired. And then you're saying,

15:59 From your sources, the FBI, Kash Patel is literally screaming, yelling, saying F. Kyle Serafin last week. And from the sources, Trump learns, wait a minute, we got a J6 ringwraith or field marshal, the field marshal in a high position and the pilot flying the FBI director around. was heavily involved in raiding my wife's underwear drawer. So again, I'm not trying to attack Cash Patel, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is Cash Patel, maybe he didn't know about this, but regardless, he's pissed off finally firing these people because when he gave the order to fire the pilot, because Trump knew about that and was pissed, they weren't smart enough to do what he said. Is that an accurate breakdown?

16:49 I'm not confident that I can tie Donald Trump's knowledge of this. What I can say is that people inside the bureau have reported that Kash Patel was listening to me explain this, was sick of getting beat up on X about it and social media, which does tell you the power of social media as much as I'd love to downplay it. The fact that people read what I have to say and then start agitating and people in the administration are upset. Cash Patel, I don't think knew this, but found out that the guy that's been flying his jet for the last seven months was the case agent on the Mar-a-Lago case that resulted in the search warrant going through, as you said, Melania's underwear drawer. So that's got to be really frustrating to find out that you don't even know who your own people are.

17:25 And this is kind of the reason why I pitched the services of myself and Gerardo Boyle and Steve Friend and some of the other former FBI guys out there that said, look, we don't care whether the FBI survives. What we care about is that the American people don't deal with weaponization. And we've got a lot of sources and information and people come to us. So what you're seeing is that I put out a thread. This is just like basically simple reporting. I do it, I'm not a journalist by trade. I'm an investigator in a criminal way and I was a paramedic so I know how to write a report. And what I'm doing is showing you the evidence. The evidence shows that a guy named Christopher Meyer, who used to work out in Manassas for the FBI and ran the case, also

18:01 On Mar-a-Lago, he worked with another guy named Walter Gardena, who actually was involved in the arrest of Peter Navarro. So that ties in another current Trump administration official. Those guys, substantiated by a police report that I found of a person named Harrison Floyd, who was in charge of Black Voices for Trump. And they actually had him arrested when they served a subpoena in the Fulton County case. This is all related to Jack Smith. These are the guys that were actually doing the work of the investigation on behalf of Jack Smith, as far as I can piece it together. Yes, they decided to come back. Smith's henchmen. Correct. Exactly. And so you've got Chris Meyer Patel wouldn't be upset unless Trump learned of this or Navarro did or he thought they would learn of it.

18:40 I think that's a fair speculation. Like I say, I can't substantiate it, so I'm sticking with what I know, but I don't think you're wrong. What we do know is that the guys came in, the new ones, so this is Kash Patel, Dan Bongino, etc., etc., the new sort of administration came in and took over. They moved Brian Driscoll into a favorable position doing something that he used to do. He was in charge as the highest level assistant director over that old program, SIRG, where they have the pilots, where they have the tactical teams and so on. And Then you've got them flying this. So what they did is they came through and they shut down the squad. The entire squad that used to be in existence out in Manassas, Virginia, that was doing Jack Smith's work was disbanded. Now, I don't know if those people were fired or not, but my guess is they were probably just reassigned somewhere in the PR, which is fine. They no longer have what's called CR-

19:25 15, which was the criminal squad 15 out of the Washington field office. The crazy thing though is Chris Meyer, who was the case agent on that Mar-a-Lago case, probably got wind that it wasn't gonna go his way when the new administration came in. So he quietly put in for a transfer and he transferred to the other thing you can do out in Manassas working for the FBI. He happened to be a commercial pilot based on his military service and he was able to get in and fly the director's jet. So you now got a guy who was investigating. Magically, he's assigned to the FBI director. Come on, you don't think that happened by accident? I don't think it happened. Also, you know, to be a pilot, you have to have that skill set in advance. So, you know, there is that. But at the end of the day, this guy saw an exit. And the story goes is that he... I mean, the deep state always wants to keep the Praetorian close to the so-called bosses.

20:19 So what I'm told even funnier than that, since you're keying in on it, is that when Brian Driscoll was telling Cash Patel that you can't fire this guy, he also brought up, do you really want to fire a guy who's been sitting on the jet for the last seven months, listening to all your conversations, flying to the UFC events, hanging out, going to places where your girlfriend was. Who threatened the FBI director? This is, and I know you don't make stuff up. You showed me all this stuff. I don't. This is Brian Driscoll. This is Brian Driscoll who was apparently just told he's done on Friday. So Brian Driscoll, who was the number one at the FBI before Kash Patel got there, mentioned to Kash Patel today, I'm told, that you can't get rid of a guy who's been listening to your conversations for the last seven months. You can't do that. Plus he's a war veteran and so on.

20:59 So that's-. Well, that guy's got big balls, man. Huge balls, no doubt about it. Because this is the same guy that apparently told the Trump administration as they were coming in, maybe the chief of staff or maybe it was just the deputy attorney general, if you wanna get these J6 lists, this happened in January of 2025, like right when they came into office, he apparently said, if you wanna come over here and fire me, then come fire me. So there's a challenge point. By the way, you know the law firm or the FBI that ran the lawsuits against me is the main law firm now for the FBI agents on J6. Yeah, these are all the same people. This is the lawfare organization that's decided to resist against Donald Trump. They'll represent anybody that goes against the sort of the interests of what I would say the people. The administration seems kind of piecemeal. There's people in the administration that are doing a good job. I think there's some people that are clearly not doing a good job. And then there's some people that are just happy to be there. So they're just gonna go along. Well, just the backdrop.

21:51 Daria, I know the doctor's waiting. Can you push him to the, we'll do the whole third hour with him, fourth hour. This is too important. Look, Kyle, you're so smart. I mean that everybody knows it's true that, that a lot of this goes in people's heads. I'm having trouble tracking it all. Give us a big boil down gestalt first about this. Cause the big enchilada is three top Jan six ring race involved before, during, after the persecution. They're finally fired you since day one, I showed the tweets. are saying this is a problem vetting process red alert. I mean, okay, they tried to persecute you try to get Senator Grassley to go after you. They tried to indict you. You've gotten those documents now and you're still fighting undeterred by that actually encourages you just like me. It's not we're looking for trouble. We just can't help it. Can't run away from a fight. We're doing the right thing.

22:40 And then now you get the mother load of all this and now it's all coming together and now you're talking to high level White House. Boy, the FBI's gotta be, the bad guys in the FBI have gotta be shitting their britches right now. I assume that they are. So there's the picture. Your folks are doing a great job pulling that. That's the challenge coin that was sent out to FBI employees. They could buy it. What would Driscoll do? What would the DRIZ do? And apparently they attribute this statement, if you want to come get rid of me, come fire me. So here he is. He's been He's been made a folk hero. Driscoll was the number one on January 20th. He was the acting director of the FBI, so he's a player. He was the hostage rescue team supreme commander, the highest commander inside that organization when Mar-a-Lago was raided. And apparently he was the one that allowed those guys to go down and do that. And again, that's coming from Donald Trump Jr.

23:34 They're like, look at the seditiousness of this. They're acting like what they're saying is, is he, you know, it's like he don't, you sent me him. I guess it was like last Saturday. You sent me just a post and I didn't even watch the video. And you said, what do you take from this? And it was Bon Geno. Making a statement I've heard over and over again. I go I keep seeing this statement From them the same PR guy must be writing it and I said who was the PR guy he goes you said yeah You nailed it We don't know who it is writing the script But just it shows like this is just you see these patterns and now that is so obvious They show this guy who you just got fired by you spotlighting it not coming me you just spotlight. It's your job Literally as if he's the president

24:19 Yes, what the hell is the message of that? Like the FBI is we run this. Look, the FBI, yes, the FBI runs the director. That's what I've been trying to tell people since the beginning. This is something I tried to tell Cash Patel and have him understand. Yeah, but that's the Resolute Desk. That's the Oval Office. That's the Resolute Desk. Yep. That's what we're showing. So they're saying we run the country. The FBI is making some, whether they knew that that far when they made this, I can't say it, but we're looking at it. Let the people make their own decisions. That's what I do. I present information-. Well, if I put out a coin about me at the Oval Office desk, I mean that- You'd be making a statement, wouldn't you? Yeah. All right. So here's Brian Driscoll. At that time, he was the number one in the FBI, the acting director. And so the four people that we've had removed that were told based on the reporting from the New York Times, now CNN and Fox News, is that four people have been removed.

25:05 The pilot is something that I'm hearing is happening. Whether that happens or not is another story. A guy named Walter Giordano, like I said, he was one of the people that arrested Peter Navarro. And then the two high level people are Steven J6 Jensen and Brian Driscoll. Driscoll, the former number one, Jensen whose face is also on the screen right there, is the assistant director in charge of the Washington field office. That's the top guy working the actual field cases in Washington DC. So he's an administrator. He was the section chief for the domestic terrorism operations section which declared that J6ers were in fact terrorists and they treated him as such. Now for your audience to understand why that's such a big deal, when you are under a terrorist investigation, you don't need criminal process. In other words, you don't have to have- And it set a precedent to say all of MAGA was terrorists, which the Democrats said they weren't.

24:19 Yes, what the hell is the message of that? Like the FBI is we run this. Look, the FBI, yes, the FBI runs the director. That's what I've been trying to tell people since the beginning. This is something I tried to tell Cash Patel and have him understand. Yeah, but that's the Resolute Desk. That's the Oval Office. That's the Resolute Desk. Yep. That's what we're showing. So they're saying we run the country. The FBI is making some, whether they knew that that far when they made this, I can't say it, but we're looking at it. Let the people make their own decisions. That's what I do. I present information-. Well, if I put out a coin about me at the Oval Office desk, I mean that- You'd be making a statement, wouldn't you? Yeah. All right. So here's Brian Driscoll. At that time, he was the number one in the FBI, the acting director. And so the four people that we've had removed that were told based on the reporting from the New York Times, now CNN and Fox News, is that four people have been removed.

25:05 The pilot is something that I'm hearing is happening. Whether that happens or not is another story. A guy named Walter Giordano, like I said, he was one of the people that arrested Peter Navarro. And then the two high level people are Steven J6 Jensen and Brian Driscoll. Driscoll, the former number one, Jensen whose face is also on the screen right there, is the assistant director in charge of the Washington field office. That's the top guy working the actual field cases in Washington DC. So he's an administrator. He was the section chief for the domestic terrorism operations section which declared that J6ers were in fact terrorists and they treated him as such. Now for your audience to understand why that's such a big deal, when you are under a terrorist investigation, you don't need criminal process. In other words, you don't have to have- And it set a precedent to say all of MAGA was terrorists, which the Democrats said they weren't.

25:53 Not only that, we found out since and this may actually get exposed soon in actual writing, but we've been told that everybody that refused the vaccine inside the federal government was trying to be a smeared with J sixers and therefore as domestic terrorists. So these leaps are really wild. These happened under the Biden administration. But if you don't fix them under your administration, you're equally complicit. It was all these litmus tests for purging and I've read and heard, I think you even told me this, but a bunch of other FBI's told me, if you were a leftist, you didn't get pressure to take the shot. But if you were a patriot, you did. I can't substantiate that one either. But yeah, that makes perfect sense because they were looking for a very specific people. Look, all the guys that I know that got removed from the bureau are Christian. Many of them are military veterans and they were all unvaccinated and they all decided to bring things forward probably because they answered to a higher power than the government.

26:39 So the four people again is this guy Steven Jensen, who I've referred to as a J6 warlord. He's the guy who called him terrorists. And my answer is I don't think they knew who he was, but once they made that bad decision and guys like me called it out because I know what a section chief is and I know what a section chief does because I worked in the FBI. they had two choices. They could have gone like, holy crap, we've made a mistake. We need to get rid of this guy or you can double down. And what they did is they doubled down. This happened in February. I sent your folks some videos. There's a video of Julie Kelly. She went on Steve Bannon's program and just basically excused us. And the answer that why they promoted him was you need someone to know where the bodies are buried inside the FBI. First of all, I can help you with that. Second of all, if that was the case,

27:19 You'd put Chris Wray up there because Chris Wray would know where all the bodies are buried. If you're going to take a high level person who knows what was going on. You're moving too fast. We got the rest of the hour. Move the gas. Please take your time call because I'm not. Again, this is everything you're dropping bombshell bombshell bombs. Everything you've ever told me. It's not accurate. You said you're never going to have a steam files. You said everything I'm asking you, Mr. Palantir, Mr. Crystal ball. I mean, literal Palantir, but I'm asking you former counterterrorism, who cares what the title you're smart. Okay. And you got balls. So we respect you more and more every day. It's gone from high level to this insane level, big picture for all the normal people out there. And even for me, The bigger deal is all these four guys are gone. Why did Patel finally do it? And it looks to me like whether Patel was good or bad, just like with Trump, they've got to get the deep states not going to back down. You can't cohabitate with them. If even they tell you they're going to work with you and let's make nice, you don't do that once you defeat an enemy. You got to at least send them away, you know, to an island like, like Napoleon, right?

28:17 That's correct. Yeah, exile or execution. You and I talked about this previously in person. Exile or execution are the only options for people in a government that don't agree with what you want to do with it. And they haven't done it. So getting rid of four people, it's certainly not enough. The claim is, is they're gonna get rid of a bunch more. Here's the thing. I was advocating this before he took office. I was telling Patel that this is the way. If it took him eight months to realize that I was right, That's a shame because I've always been an honest operator and it doesn't actually benefit me in any way, shape or form to say these things that are true. It doesn't make me feel great to say, hey, I voted for Trump. I was very transactional about that. I had some friends who were J6ers. I wanted them to get pardoned. I wanted Owen to be pardoned. I wanted all those guys to have their lives made right. And so that's why I voted. I also wanted my friends to be reinstated if they wanted a job with this organization, but I'm never going to go work for the federal government again. It's awful. And like you can see what they're doing. And instead of listening to what I said in good faith,

29:09 They decided to push back. They actually did an entire smear campaign and messaging campaign. I've got influencers that are DMing me. They literally said people, yeah, they went out and told people in DC. I've had multiple people say that I have character issues, that I shot at someone, that I misused my firearm, that I was irresponsible and dangerous. The fact of the matter is, it's just a smear campaign. But separately, let's have not a victory dance here, But I'm predicting this is gonna become a major scandal, even if you and I shut up today. It'll be a good scandal to focus Trump on the nest of deep staters in there. Don't you feel good? I mean, I just look at, I feel really good about this. This is the most dangerous thing, like this animal, the FBI and the DOJ not doing what we want them to do is the most scary thing that you can have as Americans. Oh, and putting challenge coins out where their little patron saint that raided Mar-a-Lago was the fucking president?

30:02 Right, well just consider this, the only people inside the federal government that are going to come in and take your life, generally are going to work for some component of the DOJ. There's a small potential they could come from a DHS organization. But at the end of the day, the people that we see being the pointy end of the stick for the federal government is the FBI, the United States Marshal Service, it's the DEA, it's the ATF. Those guys kill people. Yeah, if tyranny's coming, that's how it's going to come. So what do you think if you showed Trump the challenge coin and told him the story for five minutes? And here's the guy sitting in your desk, sir. What do you think Trump does when he sees that? Well, what he should do is gut the place, which is the same thing that I've been arguing since the beginning. Everybody that was a GS-15 mid-level manager all the way up to anybody that was an SES, they should all be destroyed. They should never be able to work in federal service again. And some of these people, they shouldn't get a pension. They should probably have criminal indictments. Like you said, promote the people who have the best records of honor and working hard, the guys that actually want to do stuff.

30:59 Yeah, the only way that you were gonna get the FBI to come back was to take it like an hourglass and take the bottom full of all the sand. The people who actually work the cases flip it upside down and say, look, I know you don't have any like senior management experience, but you know what the mission is. We need to do the mission properly. And I thought that's what Kash Patel was gonna do. That's not what he's decided to do. He's embraced the lifestyle. He's basically listened to all the sycophantic vipers that are sitting there whispering in his ear, hoping that he's gonna fail and proving all the things that I'm saying right, that the most dangerous thing to the FBI director is the FBI. Shocker, like these people are liars for a living, this is what they did. But shouldn't we thank Brian Eskol- But shouldn't we thank Brian Eskol- At risk. For reportedly threatening the director that, hey, the pilot knows everything you've done? I mean, shouldn't we thank him for their arrogance of putting out a challenge coin where he's the president?

31:42 Well, here's the thing. There's nobody that would expect that anybody would know about that meeting, except that I just happened to have really good contacts throughout the FBI and the Hooper building. So if I'm not sitting here and making these things, listen, the FBI director is learning about what goes on in the FBI by listening to the Kyle Serafin show. Alex, I don't say that lightly. It makes me kind of smirk because it's hilariously ridiculous. You showed me the text messages from the guys in there when the 14 terabytes was sent out. Then a month later, you said, no, nothing's happening. And you were right then. I mean, you got the receipts, bro. But can you feel the danger? Like I even feel the danger and I'm willing to do it. I just feel it. What we're doing right now is people need to, this is crazy. And look, the people in the government shouldn't blame us. The government's a runaway train. We're trying to save the whole country and the world. And everybody just needs to get on our team and reform this stuff right now. I mean, my God, doesn't the deep state know they're going to get their ass kicked no matter what. The fact that they

32:32 They fear you because you have integrity and because people come to you because they know you'll vet it, you'll check it, you'll put it out if it's true. They fear you as a focal point. Let me add this to it. First of all, I didn't feel worried about it until you mentioned it. Now I look now I kind of do. So thanks for that. Alex wasn't panicking a little bit until now. I'll make this offer right now. We've got the pilot rated Mar-a-Lago and we've got all this. And I was like, okay, we'll do that. And then I was going to, and then I was like, God, I got out of the car. So I was going in a store to buy my daughter some exercise clothes for her exercise. And I was just like, God, I gotta put this out while I'm gonna do it. Obviously, they're already trying to put me in jail doing this is like a whatever we're doing it now

31:42 Well, here's the thing. There's nobody that would expect that anybody would know about that meeting, except that I just happened to have really good contacts throughout the FBI and the Hooper building. So if I'm not sitting here and making these things, listen, the FBI director is learning about what goes on in the FBI by listening to the Kyle Serafin show. Alex, I don't say that lightly. It makes me kind of smirk because it's hilariously ridiculous. You showed me the text messages from the guys in there when the 14 terabytes was sent out. Then a month later, you said, no, nothing's happening. And you were right then. I mean, you got the receipts, bro. But can you feel the danger? Like I even feel the danger and I'm willing to do it. I just feel it. What we're doing right now is people need to, this is crazy. And look, the people in the government shouldn't blame us. The government's a runaway train. We're trying to save the whole country and the world. And everybody just needs to get on our team and reform this stuff right now. I mean, my God, doesn't the deep state know they're going to get their ass kicked no matter what. The fact that they

32:32 They fear you because you have integrity and because people come to you because they know you'll vet it, you'll check it, you'll put it out if it's true. They fear you as a focal point. Let me add this to it. First of all, I didn't feel worried about it until you mentioned it. Now I look now I kind of do. So thanks for that. Alex wasn't panicking a little bit until now. I'll make this offer right now. We've got the pilot rated Mar-a-Lago and we've got all this. And I was like, okay, we'll do that. And then I was going to, and then I was like, God, I got out of the car. So I was going in a store to buy my daughter some exercise clothes for her exercise. And I was just like, God, I gotta put this out while I'm gonna do it. Obviously, they're already trying to put me in jail doing this is like a whatever we're doing it now

33:13 We're doing it. We're doing it live as we go. Here's the thing. I'll make this offer as well. At some point, this guy, Chris Meyer may want to tell his story. And if he wants to, he can come to me and I will honestly and fairly represent whatever his backstory is. There's actually some pretty interesting information out there, which is that these ops have been spun. These are narrative ops, Alex. These are information ops that are not particularly well done. I don't know how the FBI and the FBI director spin what they just did today by getting rid of these guys, because they already went on a PR campaign saying that J6 Jensen, who's in charge of the Washington field office needed to be there because he provides critical information. I sent you guys a Fox news clip of cash Patel being interviewed and he was actually being grilled because it was a big scandal when he did it.

33:55 And I was at the forefront of this, calling them out. You just promoted the J6 warlord. What the hell are you guys doing? And he defended it and said, Jensen literally fought back and that he was the example of what you want in an FBI agent. Because people in the FBI talk to me every single day, because I'm out there trying to make this thing right. At the end of the day, I don't care about getting impressions on X, I don't make enough money on there for it to matter. I'm not out here doing this because it's like, I have a lot of fun playing on social media, or it hurts somebody's feelings, although that is kind of amusing. The end of the day, I want my kids not to wake up in America where the FBI kicks down their door because of mean tweets. And if that means they have to kick down dad's door, which God knows they were attempting to do that.

34:42 We've showed you the the receipts that they were out there. Oh yeah, we're not being overdramatic. I mean, we're not being overdramatic. I got targeted by the FBI with a national security investigation just for criticizing Obama and it went on for 10 years. Believe me, when we go, this is dangerous. We want listeners to understand. You wonder why there's not more people like Kyle Serafin? Because this is dangerous as hell, folks. Not only do we get the actual FBI coming after us, they also go after your reputation. I've had my former supervisor- PR firms, law firms, the media. That's right. Just look how the FBI with the NSA and CIA was running all the censorship. It's one big blob. My former boss, who was a useless employee, who basically's claim to fame was that he was on the protective detail for Eric Holder. And then he did nothing for years afterwards until he retired. I'm not sure he's ever done any useful case. He's out there smearing me out in social media and writing pieces at town hall, smearing Kyle Serafin and praising Steve Jensen

35:36 who we found out is now gonna be the thorn in the side. They tried to quietly dismiss him. And at the end of the day, I'm not letting anybody walk away from these things. If you wanna play that Cash Patel clip, I think it's less than the amount of time we have left. Yeah, we will, we will. It's only 40 seconds. I wanna come back though, and I wanna talk about the big issue here. And I'm not wrong on things like this. This is gonna be a major scandal, a healthy one, and Trump is gonna go on a rampage. And I think You already predicted privately with me that there would be some people gone, high level. I think this accelerates that. Or maybe Patel and Bongino finally come to Jesus and stop listening to the snakes. But we'll talk about it next segment. But here's what you're talking about with Cash Patel defending the people he finally fired for one of them blackmailing. I mean, folks, you tell the FBI director, well, you better watch it. He's been around you for seven months on that plane. I would probably start strangling someone at that point. Here it is.

36:26 But you promoted Steven Jensen, the architect of the FBI's overzealous January 6th investigation. I want the American public to realize what we did. That man was in a position where he literally fought back against the machine who was saying, we want to politicize this event. We want to politicize this event. And at the end of the day, remember Maria, there's a chain of command here. So you can fight back your chain of command to a certain degree before they fire you. And Steve Jensen and other folks were promoted because they embody what the American public demands of FBI agents. Let's come back with that. I mean, that is the biggest load of crap. He followed orders. He violated the Nuremberg Code. And that's why they promoted him. He fought. No, he led the attack.

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38:45 and on the Mar-a-Lago raid and then you're talking to the insiders that Patel flips out about this and that he's on the phone threatening him, hey you better watch out your pilot former head of the hostage rescue team just got assigned to you keep tabs obviously as you predicted six months ago similar thing would happen, Pretorian Guard In case the Senate gets tired of the emperor, they're putting challenge coins out about the guy that's making the threats where he's really the president. I mean, you cannot make up these data points and that Patel finally flips out. Your sources are there screaming and yelling mad at you, mad at them. You gotta be thanking you. He was talking to you a lot before saying you were a hero, should have brought you in if we were in real reform.

39:26 But the deep state saying, no, no, work with us. We'll make it easy. They're now seeing it's not. Obviously, Trump knows about this. This is, we didn't know before, he knows now. So give me like a four or five minute, like you're talking to a grand jury, talking to me like I'm five years old. Boil it down so I can put this on the front of the interview and also put it up by itself. That's a tall order, all this data, but I'm sure you can do it. Kyle Serafin, I'm gonna shut up for five minutes. Give us your opening statement. All right. Upfront, I'm gonna refer people to my ex account. They can go to at Kyle Serif if you wanna see the actual evidence put out there. The bottom line up front is this, the pilot. who flies Kash Patel's private jet right now, a Gulfstream 550 FBI aircraft, was previously in his post just before that, running the investigation into Mar-a-Lago on behalf of Jack Smith that resulted in a search warrant at the now president's house. That sounds really scandalous. So the question is, how do you end up with the guy who ran the case into the current president, now flying around the current FBI director and listening in on all of his conversations? And it goes something like this.

40:30 I gave advice to Kash Patel early on. I was giving him advice all the way through the nomination process, through the confirmation process, and the minute he was confirmed, he cut me off and no longer started talking. So now he gets the information that I share the same way that any of you would. They listen to my podcast, which is a really awkward thing to find out that the FBI director was catching up on my show and yelling about it and calling me an MF-er apparently. So we put out a thread on Monday of this week On Friday, I gave the Trump administration a little bit of a heads up. I called an insider, somebody that I know and trust and said, here's some information. The pilot who is flying cash Patel was the case agent on the Mar-a-Lago case. You should know that this is the person's name. Here's his FAA airman receipts. This is his type certifications on planes. This is his address, which I didn't share, but I said, look, it ties into what goes on over the FAA database. The address that's on file with the tax assessor shows that he's law enforcement. In other words, it's redacted. It says name withheld on behalf of the owner, which is a thing that Virginia does for

41:29 law enforcement officers. So I gave him all the evidence to be able to make sure that this was the guy. And then I showed them that this guy, Christopher Meyer, was not just the pilot, not just the guy who worked on the Mar-a-Lago case, but he also was the person who was involved in the arrest of one Harrison Floyd. Harrison Floyd was one of the guys that went to jail and spent time in the courthouse and alongside Donald Trump as a defendant in Fulton County. So he was part of the Leticia, not the Leticia James, whatever that other lady, Fannie, the AG Fannie that was in there that was going after Trump and co in the local cases that were happening. So you've got this guy, he helped arrest Harrison Floyd. His partner on that arrest was another guy named Walter Gardena. And Gardena and Chris Meyer apparently had been ordered fired. So that's of note that came as a result of this thread which went out viral on Monday. I gave him two days to respond to it, and then we published it. The story goes forward because nobody was

42:24 Moving forward, what we also found out is that the former number one at the FBI, the acting director at the time when Donald Trump took office, a guy named Brian Driscoll, has also been ordered removed. And the insiders that I had told me that the conversation that went on in the office went something like this. You need to fire that pilot who's underneath your sort of chain of command. He said you can't do that because he's a veteran. And he said I want him fired anyway. And he said, do you really wanna fire the guy who spent seven months listening to your conversations and flying around in a private jet with you? Which whether it's an implied threat or not, it is one of those kind of things that we all worried about. What does leverage look like? What does it look like to have access? It's the reason why you wouldn't want a case agent from Mar-a-Lago actually flying the plane and having direct shoulder rubs with the current director of the FBI.

43:11 Gardena was apparently removed as well. He was also involved in other cases that were going after known Trump people like Peter Navarro. He's one of the people that put handcuffs on him and helped walk him out during the arrest. And then lastly, is this guy named J6 Jensen. Now, Steven Jensen was formerly the DTOS, Domestic Terrorism Operations Section, Section Chief on January 6th of 2021. Steven Jensen was really the first personnel mistake that I saw the FBI make. And it made me incredibly concerned that they were gonna promote somebody who legitimately referred to a huge chunk of Donald Trump supporters as terrorists. And it resulted in all the bad things that we saw from January 6th, and the prioritization of those cases as national security priorities, and all of the sins that kind of flowed out of the Biden administration. One of the major reasons they could do that is because they called J6ers terrorists, which allowed them to call the rest of the MAGA people

44:04 they called anti-government, anti-authority violent extremists. I'm one, Alex, you're one, Owen is one, I'm sure as well from his cases. So all of us get lumped into this domestic terrorist category because of Steven Jensen. Steven Jensen was not fired, he wasn't suspended like my friend Gerardo Boyle, whose name you're showing on the screen. What he was, was promoted to be the top guy in the Washington field office. He was promoted to be what's called the assistant director in charge And we were told he was promoted specifically because he knew where the bodies were buried. But that was false at the time. It was obviously false to me at the time. He was promoted because they didn't know who he was, and he was being shoved forward by all of these mid-level actors inside the bureau that are the problem. That you didn't get rid of by exile or execution, the people that still are loyal to the bureau above all else.

44:52 And so those folks are the ones who have been whispering sweet nothings. They're the grima worm tongue, like you see in the Lord of the Rings. They're whispering all the worst things into the king's ear. And because he apparently doesn't know any better and he doesn't listen to guys like me anymore, he's getting played. And finally, we're seeing some of this stuff break because it's incredibly embarrassing to realize that the guy who was the search warrant and the person who serialized the files on Donald Trump's search warrant was also the guy flying your jet. So I have to imagine the president would be pissed. The person that I told seemed absolutely outraged, immediately reached out to Kash Patel. And I had to tell him or her, listen, the problem is that I don't think Kash Patel has much respect for what I had to say, even though I'm right. And I unfortunately keep being right about these things.

45:36 We're watching maybe the first push and as you said earlier, this might spur some action to really look at the danger that the FBI presents. The fact that like when we talk about a deep state, we're not talking about like dark alleys, deep throat and people working in the shadows. We're talking about people that go every single day to their job inside the federal government and they do one thing. They look out for their agency and their interests first and the American people and the Constitution is a distant second or third if at all. That's the real crisis that's going on here. This might be one of the things that actually breaks it. It's the first reversal. There is no way to spin this in a positive way and say, this was our operation all the time. We were setting these guys up. This is an admission that they got played and that guys like me and Garrett O'Boyle and Steve friend and Phil Kennedy and others have been right all along. I always thought you were smart years ago, exposing all this head on balls, but I'm really impressed. You probably don't remember privately, but also on air.

46:29 You said it's all about the private jet, not just the elitism, but who's on the jet. Who from the inside have they put around him to control him and also try to set him up or gather data. to then blackmail him. Do you remember saying this like five, six months ago? And the FBI deputy director runs the FBI. That's usually the most senior person. We're in a weird world now where Dan Bongino, who's not of the FBI, is the deputy director. So now he's also getting run by the FBI, which is why they tell him there's 100 level 10 things on your desk first thing in the morning. And you've got to do all this stuff before something goes boom, or there's a cyber attack, or everybody dies. And the fact of the matter is,

45:36 We're watching maybe the first push and as you said earlier, this might spur some action to really look at the danger that the FBI presents. The fact that like when we talk about a deep state, we're not talking about like dark alleys, deep throat and people working in the shadows. We're talking about people that go every single day to their job inside the federal government and they do one thing. They look out for their agency and their interests first and the American people and the Constitution is a distant second or third if at all. That's the real crisis that's going on here. This might be one of the things that actually breaks it. It's the first reversal. There is no way to spin this in a positive way and say, this was our operation all the time. We were setting these guys up. This is an admission that they got played and that guys like me and Garrett O'Boyle and Steve friend and Phil Kennedy and others have been right all along. I always thought you were smart years ago, exposing all this head on balls, but I'm really impressed. You probably don't remember privately, but also on air.

46:29 You said it's all about the private jet, not just the elitism, but who's on the jet. Who from the inside have they put around him to control him and also try to set him up or gather data. to then blackmail him. Do you remember saying this like five, six months ago? And the FBI deputy director runs the FBI. That's usually the most senior person. We're in a weird world now where Dan Bongino, who's not of the FBI, is the deputy director. So now he's also getting run by the FBI, which is why they tell him there's 100 level 10 things on your desk first thing in the morning. And you've got to do all this stuff before something goes boom, or there's a cyber attack, or everybody dies. And the fact of the matter is,

47:24 There's about 13 levels of bureaucracy between Dan Bongino and the case agents who are actually investigating anything that's gonna cause danger to Americans. There's no connection. There's some CIA briefers control presidents and exhaust them, wake them up at night. So you've called it all, and I totally agree with you. This is a real opportunity to get Trump informed to cause a purge. And it shows some light in the tunnel that Patel, which you warned about all this, now has finally fired these people when they threatened him. I think he's done it for the wrong reasons, but I'll take the right actions for the wrong reasons 10 out of 10 times. Why? Because it results in things that we need as Americans. This is not about vindicating me. I could care less. At the end of the day, I'm one guy. I live in a suburban house outside of Austin. I've got little kids and I got to hang out with my two-year-old for lunch this afternoon. So I'm already winning at life. That's the best thing that can happen. No, I got that part, but look, I know some of them- But we need to fix this for America. I agree. We need to fix this for our country. I agree, but I know it when I see it. And so- I know, I'm praising you because you just deserved. You've been right so much.

48:20 We need to listen to you. Imagine if somebody like you could go in and tell them what to put in the MPI. I mean, there's a lot of obviously smart people there. So let me ask you this. Obviously, this is going to be a firestorm, and we need to use it to reform things. There's a no-brainer. Folks, I know how to call trends. This is going to be a huge scandal. They're going to try to come in and spin this now. What did they think they were going to do when they got blackmailed? And then who knows what that is about. And then now they've done this. Just like I can tell you 33 days ago when Trump said there is no Epstein, you know, go away. I said that's Trump two days later minute was him. This is no-brainer stuff. This is gonna be a firestorm. The question is what comes out of this?

49:04 This is like any sort of a tight knit group where you come in and try to take over an organization. Alex, if you walk onto a soccer team and everybody's on the team and you're new and they don't want to do what you say, you're the new coach. You've got to break that thing and build them up as one unit underneath you. That didn't happen. We didn't see Dan Bongine or cash, but they walked in there and immediately started cheerleading on behalf of the FBI. They've got Dan Bongine. They're like dogs that roll over on their back and pee. Yeah, they're polishing the movie posters that say how great the FBI is. There's nothing worse than watching people come in and spend years talking about how it should be devastated, that personnel is policy, that we need to root out all the bad actors and that everybody at a certain level should be fired. And then they walk in and the first thing they do is change their tune. I don't think it's because they're compromised or that there's blackmail material on guys like Dan or Cash per se. What I think happens is- No, it's peer pressure. It's peer pressure.

49:52 It's also pride, Alex, is the really sad thing. It's the oldest sin there is. You walk in and you think that because you're here, now everything is better. And because people are agreeing with you that you're right and they're actually doing what you said. And that they're on board with you. Well, that's what springing a corps with elite troops is about, is they go through so much to get the title. Now it's their identity. They know they're good, so they project their own goodness on everything else. You just can't walk in and not touch these people aggressively hard and actually root out the problem, and then think that the problem is gone. It's just not there. It just goes on hiding. This is the nature of permanent Washington. You can call it administrative state or deep state. You can call it anything you want. This is the way that government agencies work. Every single person there. Absolutely, so let's go back though. Let's go back because we got hit by the break and you wanted to play it. Play the 40-second Cash Patel again. I mean, I don't want to be mean to Cash. I want to believe in him. He did a lot of great stuff in podcasting before, and Federal Reserve's private, sounded like me.

50:42 So I want to believe in him. I'm not a guy that just wants to snipe at people. I'm just going to tell you, I think he lied. I think he lied to us. And I'm telling you that because he told me things very specifically that he didn't do. If you lie to my face, you only get to do that one or two times. When you tell me that you're gonna take care of people like Boyle, you're gonna take care of people like Friend. When you go out there and say you're gonna do the right thing, and then you immediately do the wrong thing, and you listen to the wrong people for what seems like exactly the wrong reasons, pride, hubris, the desire for a private jet. When you go do that, you've burned all the credibility with me. So-. No, no, I got that, but just finishing the statement of what I'm saying is I don't wanna sit here and attack him. But in that same famous interview from three, four months ago, when they started the rollout of Epstein killed himself, the Easter Bunny's real, the Tooth Fairy's real. He wasn't a human trafficker, all that. Mixed in with, oh, the shooter in Pennsylvania, Crooks acting alone, you know, all this ridiculous crap, two men can have a baby stuff. He slips in, oh, that guy was a hero trying to stop J6 persecution. But he's now the guy we need because he followed orders

51:42 That is the greatest level of gaslighting. I mean, the clip is, I overlooked this in the interview because it's so disgusting. So when I said I don't want to attack him, I just have to say, go ahead before we play the clip, but just-. Yeah, let people listen specifically for this. I'm going to prime the audience's ears. He said that Steven Jensen pushed back against against the raid on Mar-a-Lago, okay, even though he was in charge of the terrorism section, and that he was exactly what Americans expect from FBI agents. Those are two things to listen to. Here's the other problem. The pilot,

52:18 who is now flying the jet, who also was the one who was running the case that resulted in that search warrant at Mar-a-Lago. The defense of him by Brian Driscoll, per my sources, was that he also pushed back against it. I lost my job when I pushed back because I pushed back and said, I'm not gonna do this under any circumstances. You're not gonna let me violate my religious convictions. I won't do it. That's not negotiable. Whatever you do is next. schools and targeting parent groups at PTA meetings. Either you're right or you're wrong. If you believe in your convictions, then there's nothing they can tell you under chain of command. It's not a lawful order if it's illegal, immoral, or unethical. They asked him to do something. Eventually, these guys sort of disagreed and then they complied. So when he says that he pushed back, you're going to hear him say, they literally pushed back. His word, literally, like he's really emphasizing something that's-. I mean, it's total crap. This guy didn't just push back. It's total crap. He was a field marshal basically heading up the persecution. So it's a lie.

53:16 Correct, and he actually said in his own congressional testimony Steven Jensen stated that he was the reason why J6 words were listed as terrorists He was the one who helped decide through the United States Attorney's Office in Washington DC What the charges would look like and how they would go and throw in the books? Just like the the DC attorney had to let go who said like this is political we want to scare you want to crush you He was saying the quiet part allowed. So let's just go all the way I want to play the clip and analyze it, but first, well, let's play the clip. You think about it. What do they have on Patel? Why did he get approved so quickly? Because we're going to go there. Let's just go all the way. All right, let's go there. Yep. Yeah. So yeah, let's just go there. Let's just go there. Damn. The torpedoes go straight at them just to be done by the heavens fall. But let's first analyze. This is the worst gas lighting ever. Here it is.

54:06 But you promoted Steven Jensen, the architect of the FBI's overzealous January 6th investigation. I want the American public to realize what we did. That man was in a position where he literally fought back against the machine who was saying, we want to politicize this event. We want to politicize this event. And at the end of the day, remember Maria, there's a chain of command here. So you can fight back your chain of command to a certain degree before they fire you. And Steve Jensen and other folks were promoted because they embody what the American public demands of FBI agents.

54:45 The American public demands you hunt down little old women that walk between velvet robes for putting jail. They demand Owen Shore that didn't go in the building and the federal filings that he attacked the building and didn't work at it. I mean, this is just, you know, this is the opposite of what we want, Kyle. Yeah, to quote Dan Bongino, that's a big nugget right there that he just dropped on us. It's not the kind of nugget Dan was talking about. It's not golden. That's a huge turd. If you think that your job is to follow things that you know to be illegal, immoral or unethical, then you have no business carrying the shield. There's a reason why I wear this on my lapel. Alex, this is the Suspendables logo. This is my buddies. We all created this joke group when we wrote a letter to Chris Wray and saying that we were all suspended for what he did.

55:26 It's upside down on purpose. I gave one to Dan Bongino at the premiere of Police State, which was a movie that was about people following orders and doing illicit things. I thought he got it too. And when I handed it to him, I said, Dan, this is our little lapel pin. I've given you one, I've given one to Owen as well. When I hand it to people, I tell them the eagle is down. You'll notice that the eagle on the badge is upside down. It is laying head down. That is an agency that's under duress. And when the people that are at the top of the bureau or any other federal agency are doing exactly what the American people want for them to do, and that is violate the rights of people and stand up and say, I think we this is wrong. I think what you're doing is wrong, but you're right. It's actually just my job to follow order. So I'm going to do what you said. I've been calling these people good Americans since probably about October of 2021 when I refused the vaccine mandate. I told them that they were doing the same thing that we're done in Europe, rats and Obama and Brennan and Clapper one. So I watched the whole interview on Fox and didn't pick up on that part. That's the worst part of the interview.

56:22 Hands down, it's the worst thing that you can say, that I'm gonna go do this. And here's the thing, all of this stuff goes back to the COVID vaccine mandates. All this goes, because that happened just after January 6th. It was a phased rollout. Sure, it was a purge. So let me ask you this, and let's go to the big point. And I don't wanna speculate here, but is Patel stupid? He doesn't come off like that. He's not stupid. Is he just a social climber? Like he said, I'll be CIA or FBI, all I want is a position. Or is he being blackmailed? Because they're threatening him. I don't know that they're mutually exclusive and I don't think that has to be blackmail per se. I think you can just insinuate that he's lied under oath. It's provably false, the things that he said, even during his confirmation hearing, he said things that are false. I've spoken to other conservative broadcasters who said when their clips were brought up of Kash Patel on the podcast or radio shows that they ran, and they were asked about, hey, what did you mean when you said this? He said, well, that was taken out of context.

57:14 And I've had other people that are very honorable inside the sort of conservative media space that said, that really rubbed me the wrong way because they were right in context. But he explicitly denied knowing Stu Peters. This is kind of like- Even though it is 25 interviews with him. He did eight interviews specifically, they were 20 or 30 minutes at a time. And apparently per Stu Peters, who I totally believe only because I had the same experience. I thought it was like 25. They would text back and forth. Yeah. So there were 25 with another group, another- I'm sure I'm wrong. You always have. You better bring them on in. At the end of the day, I have all eight of those episodes downloaded. He was asked under oath, you know, do you know who Stu Peters is? And he said, I don't recall who that is. Meanwhile, Stu released all these text messages of them like best buddies.

57:55 Yeah, they go back and forth because the Cash Patel Foundation was out there doing work on behalf of Stu Peters News Service, whatever you want to call it. So it was providing financial support to them through the fight with cash. But why not say, because Stu didn't turn into a Nazi until two years ago, why not just say, yeah, I was on his show before he went crazy? I think this is bad advice. I think this is coming from PR people. And if I had to guess, I think it's coming from Erica Knight, who is the PR person for Kash Patel, who has done things like this before. She thinks that you can solve things by just spin. And that's not what you do when you want to lead the FBI, where you can be fired for what's called lack of candidate. That were 20 years ago. It's the opposite now. I try to get everything right because I want to. When I get something barely wrong, I get chewed to pieces.

58:37 Because the internet exists and it didn't exist in the same way. And so yeah, people can go back and fact check that you spent, you know, an hour and a half on air talking to people and you acted like their buddies. And then that person says, well, I got his personal phone number and I'm texting back and forth and we got screenshots of that stuff. So it doesn't matter whether you have something like signal where it auto deletes. I can show you the number of phone calls that cash Patel made to me. He called me the day that he was getting confirmed and asked me questions. How do I spin this? He went out there and represented points that Kyle Serafin gave to him. I said you should hone in on the fact that the FBI devalued the priority of what's called rigorous obedience to the Constitution in the FBI core values. And that happened in September of 2020, like before the election, it happened. And you should hone in on that. And so he did. He actually brought it up in the Senate confirmation hearing. So I know not only did he talk to me, but he remembered what I said because he went and said my words. So what happened, do a little more time with us. You've been very gracious, but there's a little bit more in the next hour.

1:03:50 And if anything, Sarah knows he's right. He just goes that I haven't seen where he's been wrong in this short segment. Let's put bookends on this. I just have to stake the bigger story here. I know this. I can, I mean you're already your posts the last few days 10 million views or whatever I was looking at them. You know, the FBI director flipping out firing people. This is a good scandal. I've already said this eight times. I want you to elaborate on that. Do you agree? This is a good scandal. How does the audience of tens of millions tuning in and millions and millions of watches later, how do we not have the Democrats hijack this and use this to hurt the Trump admin. How do we use this to restore it and reprove it and extract the cancer? Yeah, all you gotta do is be honest, which is to say that you're not omnipotent, you're not God, just because you're the president doesn't mean you know all the things that happen in all the agencies. That'd be absurd. My analogy is that if you're the President of the United States, you're like the CEO of Walmart. You don't know what the door greeter or the cashiers are doing in Tuscaloosa, Alabama at some small Walmart there. So

1:04:51 He can go out and say, look, I was not aware of these problems, but obviously they still exist. And we're gonna get to the heart of it because these are the people that came after so many of my supporters. They came after other people, including people on the left. People can read the reporting of Trevor Aronson and the Alphabet Boys podcast that he did showing that they were going after BLM supporters for free speech in a really, really dangerous way. That the FBI serves the FBI. It doesn't serve Democrats. It doesn't serve Republicans. It serves what's advantageous for FBI funding at any given time. That's been my message. It's apolitical. It is not partisan. It's simply that the people that could kill you in our government are doing so because they think they're doing the right thing for their agency, and that's where they're subservient to.

1:05:30 So we need to have that highlighted. And so he can use this as an opportunity to say, look, they're gonna dunk on me because I didn't know that the case agent of the case that was investigating me is still working for the bureau and he's flying around the FBI director. Got it. Now I know. I'm now aware of it. And there's things that I would like to see happen. I would like to get rid of people that do not want to do the thing that they signed up to do, which means they have to throw the flag that they are required to either become a whistleblower or to resign in disgust. And we're having a moment right now where that actually is pretty obvious. The folks that I worked with in the COVID sort of pushback, they're called Feds for Medical Freedom. They just got a settlement today. DOJ just settled with them. Government-wide, they're gonna get rid of the COVID vaccine databases that were gathered for federal employees. This is actually kind of a big win.

1:06:13 Because it shows that they are admitting that it wasn't the Trump administration that did it. They're the ones going after and fixing it. I think it took too long, but it got done. They're going to get rid of the vaccine database that said you could be discriminated against for your VAX status with COVID-19. That's a big deal. They've also agreed to pay some of the legal fees. So Feds for Med Freedom is pushing that. People don't know it's these databases that are the key to persecution. So getting rid of them is the big win. That's the purge option. Yeah, they always knew who the problems were going to be and I know my name was on a handful of lists inside the FBI. Look, I've got a case that's going to mediation Alex in Houston on August 29th. The DOJ is going to have to decide whether or not they discriminate against me, whether they fired me improperly and whether or not they did what's called disparate impact, which is to say that all the people that they managed to affect with the COVID vaccine mandates just happened

1:06:57 to be Christians who were faithful to the things they believed. And so they're gonna have to adjudicate that. I hope that they're favorable. I hope they come in and say, look, this wasn't our administration, but we admit that was wrongdoing. And we wanna make you guys whole. At the end of the day, getting even small wins in this is the way that you de-weaponize, defame. put in two new cupboards, shots, new MRNAs. He just banned them all, banning the mercury. I mean, yeah. Use the tools you have at your disposal. At the end of the day, there's only a few things that could really bite you. I think the DOJ, and this is why I harp in on it. Yeah, it's my expertise area, but the DOJ is the attack dog of the federal government. It's just what it is. It's the Vittorian guard. You should harp on it. It's the heart of the deep state.

1:07:38 And the fangs that are gonna bite you in that dog is very simple. It's like, what do they look like? It's ATF, it's FBI, it's the United States Marshal Service, and it's the DEA, and then sort of like DHS is the other dog that runs with it and bites you too. And they've got some other little teeth. But we have to defang these things so they can't come after anybody. Doesn't matter if you're on the left or the right. Constitutionally point the dog at real problems. We'll be right back with Kyle Cera for 60 seconds. Stay with us. I saw a former high level CIA officer Recently on the podcast, we're going to play it coming up later before Carl Serafin leaves this thing. Listen, when I was at the CIA, he was just talking about like 10 years ago. He'd been there for decades. He said, they called us in, they said, you don't show crosses, you don't show anything on Christmas, any of it, that's hateful and bad. But you can have all your burkas and everything else. And then he later talked to him and found out the higher ups why. Well, we keep finding as Christians, that won't go along with the agenda.

1:08:35 And so Trump last week said, hey, anybody in a federal agency at their own desk can display their religious iconography. Well, obviously, but I remember 25 years ago in Texas, public schools were saying you can't give Christmas cards out. But no, separation of church and state, people say that's a letter from Jefferson, doesn't exist. No, it does exist in that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. It means government doesn't have a jurisdiction. The government can't tell you to be a Baptist or a Catholic or a Muslim or a Buddhist or a Zoroastrian or a Satanist.

1:09:12 or an agnostic, but you can talk about God to whoever you want. Now if it's during work time, you're supposed to be on a job, that's fine, but at the water cooler, anywhere. You can't sexually harass somebody, you can't try to get somebody to cook methamphetamine with you, but anything legal, in fact, let's play a clip of the former CIA case officer here, I'm gonna play this now, because Kevin Shipp, very respected, because we don't have to believe him, this is on record. And I told people these stories a long time ago, they were all off record so I didn't say who. But it was Mark Dice, like 15 years ago, cuz I knew the people at the same True TV and I'd met with some of the same executives. They do that with me, I had a show with Jesse Ventura, I guess 15 years ago too. But they call him in, he's about to do a show with Motley Crue.

1:10:07 a conspiracy show. And they said, Mark, we really like you. This is like the number two executive at the production company for TruTV, one of the biggest reality TV shows. And he says, and I've known Mark like 25 years, Mark's not a BSer. And they said, Mark, we want you to pledge allegiance to Lucifer. And Mark says, is this some leftist joke? No, we're serious. Everybody has to do that here. And that's all true that these rock bands and stuff, they like pray over the tapes and stuff. And you're like, that's crazy. No, it's an initiation to see if you'll do it. Like MS-13 does satanic rituals. And people hear this, they go, this is crazy. No, this is real. This is a spiritual battle.

1:10:48 So I think it's important at the end of the day before we hit this other news to understand that these initiations in the mafia go kill somebody so they can know you're corrupt, they got dirt on you. That's the old-fashioned Italian mafia. That's like child's play compared to what really goes on. The pedophilia, Epstein. I want to hit the latest on Epstein with Carl Serafin but since Carl keeps bringing it up about the targeting of Christians, it's true because for whatever reason Whether it's conservative Catholics who their main target, because I found some of those pious people involved like Mel Gibson, the fight against evil are Catholics. And I'm non-denominational. I just know you have a relationship with Christ, that's it. So there's Christians that are Protestants, Catholics, whatever. But at the top of these organizations, whether it's the main Protestant groups, the Catholic groups, I mean, look at the Protestant groups are all like super hyper Zionist now.

1:11:32 Like Christ said, don't go to the Pharisees or the priests for God. You've got to have a relationship with God yourself. The New Agers go, oh, that means you're God. No, the kingdom of heaven is with you, your relationship with God. But this is a real battle between good versus evil. And I have had these meetings, not with TruTV, but in other cases where it came down to this. And it's happened, but they were off-record, so I never talked about it. But it's like living in the movie, The Devil's Advocate. This stuff is real, people. Here's the clip. Why Christians? Remember the Soviet Union made a statement that we could control all of our entire population except the Christians. And they had to put them in prison and in gulags. And I remember 1994 when I was in the CIA, we ordered into a conference room. We all filed in. There's about 30 of us. And our division chief starts off by saying, now don't get mad at me. I'm just the messenger. This comes down from the director of the CIA.

1:12:23 You can no longer say Merry Christmas in any CI office space. You cannot have a manger scene on your desk or on your door or you will face administrative penalties. And the sad part was only two of us, our jaws dropped like what? And the CI was actively against Christians and they used DEI as a method to suppress them. I remember it was Christmas Eve and I walked out, you know, I thought about this, prayed about this overnight and I said, oh no, you don't. So I walked out on New Year's Eve and I turned around to everybody and I said, good night. And by the way, Merry Christmas. I'm like, you know, there is a line you don't cross.

1:12:58 Well, there was an outrage from the CIA populace and as evil people always do, when they got resistance, they backed off and said, well, nevermind, you know, but it has been Christianity because the Christians are the only ones that will not answer to tyranny. We believe in God and a higher power and we will not be manipulated by a tyrannical regime. And that's why Christians are despised around the world, including in this previous administration, my goodness. And going back to Obama, how they attacked. There are a lot of Christians inside federal service. The story you're seeing on the screen is the story that I broke in February of 2023. It spawned multiple congressional investigations. It hit home very directly, not just for traditional Catholics who like Latin mass, not just for sort of more regular Catholics, more sort of pedestrian Catholics. My wife and I don't always go to Latin mass, but for people who are broadly speaking Christian, and I would actually say it expands even to just people that are conservative in general.

1:14:07 The reason the FBI was investigating Latin mass Catholics in that particular article, I think this goes exactly to the point you were just talking about there. The reason they investigated them was straightforward. They didn't like their views on abortion. So baby sacrifices to whatever the hell it is like, feminism and modern ideology. They didn't like the way that children were being treated with gender ideology. So if you have a problem with the way that that was going on, then it's your problem. You can't be part of our group. We're gonna investigate you for what's called domestic terrorism or racially motivated violent extremism, which is basically white supremacy. They did the same thing about your stance on the border. If you don't think this country should stop an invasion at the southern border, if you thought that there should actually be rules for coming into America, then you're the problem.

1:14:48 The FBI investigated from multiple field offices. They surveilled priests, they got national security letters from guys like Steven Jensen. By the way, Steve Jensen, the guy who's being fired apparently by tomorrow, that guy who also did the domestic terrorism claim on J6ers was the same guy that would have been in charge when this was going down. Do you realize how crazy it is that the only people that are gonna stand up and say, you know what, I do believe in a higher power and it's not government. I do think that leftism is a secular religion. It's a godless religion, and those people worship the state and the power of the state. And so some reason over the last maybe 50 or 60 years, people, even reasonable Christians and conservatives have gotten it twisted and they start believing this one thing, that we have a separation of church

1:15:32 and state, and that we basically have freedom from religion in this country. No, no, no. You have freedom of religion, which means that you can practice it as you see fit. The government can't make any law respecting a specific religion. They can't mandate that you worship one way or another. But they sure as hell can't take it away from you. And that's why we've acted like it should be done. And that's why they take prayer out of schools. And that's why they take 10 commandments out in front of these state capitals. All of it is this belief that we have freedom from religion because it might offend somebody. I'm okay with being offensive. System they don't control. So let me just show you correct. There's so many of these is a history teacher So the left would always deny in textbooks in college even when I was a little bit of college Oh the Aztecs the Mayan culture before the Incas They did never do human sacrifice. We go down there to the degree people from Mexico say they go Oh, no, here's what they did it millions people sacrifice over the thousands of years Incas were kind when they did child sacrifice and

1:16:30 White history hides it. So, human sacrifice is good, it's kind and loving. The left's not even denying it now. Feminist women have shirts, I had abortions, I love it, it's fun. This is how sick they are. Here's a clip. I will die on this hill. I'm specifically talking about the Inca here. We're not talking about the Mexica. That's a whole separate type of sacrifice. If we're just looking at Tawantinsuyu, the Quechua people, the Incan empire, they practiced sacrifices like most other civilizations throughout history did in times of crisis. So famine, natural disasters. But the unique thing about the Quechua is that when you're looking at like the Incan civilization, you essentially have the elites and then you have everyone else.

1:17:08 Sacrifices were volunteers from the elite class because they believed that the elites were closer to the gods and could therefore appease them. The captive enemies would sacrifice them. Also, in terms of sacrifice, they were kind about it, hear me out. Because unlike the Meshica, when you're ripping out a still beating heart out of someone's chest, the Inca would intentionally use coca leaves and would use chicha and would drug up the sacrifice and then leave them on a mountain, a cold chilly mountain, to be exposed to the elements. Which, if you're... A volunteer sacrifice where you're heavily drugged before you die? Also, I mean, I can equate human sacrifice

1:17:52 throughout history to so many things. And I think the fact that a lot of people are commenting, oh, but the sacrifice is again indicative of the fact that you have received a quite white education because you are knowing them for the bad things that they have done and not all of the wonders that they accomplished. So I hope that this maybe helps you understand a different part. Dr. Michael Kaufman, before he died, a great professor, showed me UN documents that I confirmed from late 60s where they said we're going to bring back human sacrifice so people don't value human life. Folks, the entire Inca, Mesoamerican culture, the Aztecs and all that came out, Toltecs and the Inca and all that,

1:18:31 They, no, they gave, they sacrificed everybody and they would capture their enemies and do it. It's everywhere. I've been to those things in Central South America, a bunch of it's fascinating. They would give them enemas of alcohol and hallucinogens so they wouldn't fight. And then the priest class made their money down below at a market where they butchered it and sold the human flesh. And so here's this woman in Mexico in freezing climates, they would freeze themselves to death. There's no mountains with ice on them in Mexico. The woman is a damn liar, but here's the left telling us human sacrifice, which she's right. Until the Judeo-Christian, until Abraham, the angel says, don't sacrifice your son, kill the ram instead. That's when that begins saying stop the human sacrifice. Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire of Moloch, neither shall they profane the name of thy God, I am the Lord.

1:19:24 And then yeah, the first, you know, we see genocide. God says kill the Canaanites. They're killing their kids. I mean this idea, what do you make of this? I know we've digressed. We're getting into Epstein here. No, this is perfect. I love this and this is my favorite thing to do. I'm going to give your audience, your listeners just a little tool. It's the Socratic method, but specifically I'm going to arm them with the tools. When you talk to someone like that, who is a crazy person, a wild leftist that has decided to buy into things that don't make any sense, Okay, we are talking about a Christian world that we live in right now, especially in the United States. This is a Christian nation, whether people like it or not. And the reason I know that is because I can go look at our laws. Let's say this, the prosperity came from it. We're living on fumes, but I agree. There's zero chance that came from anywhere else. And all you got to do is ask them this. Why do you think the way you do, where did your values come from? And let them answer it. Because I don't care if they're a Marxist or whatever else. If they came from anything in the Western tradition, and by the way, if they live here, they did.

1:20:14 They all come from a Christian ideology. If you think that the poor have innate value because they're human beings, where did that come from? Because that wasn't historically understood. That had a turning point about 2,000 years ago. You can actually pinpoint exactly when the poor and people who had less than you were thought of as being of any value whatsoever. First time it was Jesus Christ. That's it. People before it, all they did is they looked out and they said, oh, well, these people don't have anything. They're unfavored by God. Testament with the Jews and they were more moral compared to their surrounding realms, it's true. If you were poor, you were a slave. And more importantly, we have that child sacrifice. We had one sacrifice, it was the child of God that was sacrificed. That's what you believe, that took place of all sacrifices. Whenever anybody gives me this kind of the shtick and they're like, well, don't you think the world should be more moral and fair? It's like, yeah, I love that. But I already know that's not the case. Anybody who's Christian does. Here's the argument that ends all arguments. If you are a Christian, it's really simple. The only perfect man to ever walk the earth

1:21:08 was butchered by the state, killed like a criminal and did nothing wrong. If you think the world's gonna be fair, because of that, it pretty much is evidence that a perfect human being was killed by something that was evil. And we all have a little bit of it. That's the whole point. We all got a little piece of it. And that's really the reminder that you have. And when you started talking about whether or not you're, you know, whether you're Catholic or whether you're a Protestant or whether you follow any of the different kind of denominations out there, that's all fine. But I want people to think about this. There are some interesting truths that come out of places like Hollywood where they do a lot of propaganda and messaging. Look at what the devil is scared of in any presentation you've ever seen of evil. They're scared of the Catholic

1:21:46 exorcism rituals. Why would that be? Why is it that when you go back and you use the original Latin that goes back almost 2000 years, and you start using some of these old prayers that have always been able to call out and conjure and send off demons and pull them out of people? It's a real thing. There is a real evil, and we've seen some of it, and a lot of its best job is when it hides. My friend Mark Howe, who was famously targeted by the FBI, he said the devil is always loudest when he's losing. So we oftentimes see these people shrieking and saying insane things like the Incas were really, really kind as they sacrificed people. You know what's more kind? Not sacrificing people. We already had that sacrifice, and it took place a long time ago. Up on the ice top mountains, no, they did it on top pyramids in the middle of rainforest. I mean, it's just, it's unbelievable bullshit.

1:22:35 It's just revisionist history because if we can convince you of things that are not real, if we can convince you to doubt your own knowledge, if you can look and say, hey, that's not what Mexico looks like. And she was saying Inca, so maybe she's talking about the top of the Andes. It doesn't make a difference to me because there's no real kind way to sacrifice your child and your kid, which this is another thing that kind of goes into it, right? They love the idea that a person under a certain age is able to consent to things like, I don't know, giving up your life. How many 7, 8, 10, 12, 15 year olds have a concept of being able to make a life changing decision or die? And that's what transgender is. They can't sell us all the pedophilia or human sacrifice, so let's just chop away your fertility.

1:23:11 Let's just normalize things and act like these children always had a choice. Alex, all of this stuff, you have to believe things that they know are not true. You have to believe things that average, they don't live their lives like this. As my buddy calls them, the elite communists, they don't live like the street communists. The street communists are unmarried and they're out there saying, shout your abortion and sacrifice your children and blah, blah, blah. Don't have any babies. He doesn't have kids. He's got like eight of them or something. Exactly, they all live in basically normal heterosexual relationships. They go forward to do the things that all of us would expect as a normal way of living and has been for 2000 years of Western history. They say we do this so they don't compete with us. It's just disingenuous and lying. I just think that it's really tough to be a leftist because it is a religion of recruits. Because at the end of the day, they don't want their children because they're not having them if they're part of the street communists out there marching. They're the ones that are trying to actually live out the thing. The elite communists live just like you and me.

1:24:03 babies and getting married to normal people. They're living lives, they're saving their money. They're trying to keep their money by not paying as much taxes and all this kind of stuff. It's the street communists that are the useful idiots out there. There are thousands of idiots. I agree, it's worse than that. If you look at the so-called communists, they're all like the leaders, they're all the richest, and they run tax scams to pay nothing. Their studies, conservatives give more to charity, are way more truthful, and make way less money. And then the more elitist or liberal you are, They're ultra-rich. It's all a lie. It's like the Communist Party of China. It's all a bunch of generals. They're billionaires. That's right. I'll tell you what, the most money I've ever made, I gave the most money to charity that year. And I gave it in a non-tax deductible way because I saw need of people that I knew needed something and it's like, well, I have the means. How would I not fix this problem? And by the way, all of those ideas are very Christian. It turns out if you have things that you can help people around you. No, there's no doubt Christianity, people say hard times make strong men, strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make bad times. And that's overall true, but it's true. Only Christendom, and it wasn't perfectly implemented,

1:25:05 And when Rome fell, it was still Christianity that literally has done everything, that tried to ban slavery, restricted it greatly. Everything good has come out of the attempt to be Christian. All you got to do is ask them, where did your values come from? Why do you believe the things you believe? What does it go back to? And at the end of the day, if they think there's innate value in a human being, if you think that the poor are people that are value, whether or not they can contribute, whether you think that people have individual dignity and liberty, whether you think there's a spark of divinity in them, whether you think that you should help people who are less fortunate than yourself, every single flipping one of those things is a Christian value. I don't want to attack, I don't want to attack Zen Buddhist or Buddhist or Hindus.

1:25:44 But you go to India, you study it, you go to all those places, they say, well, that's just the way it is. It's like the Muslims when you know, the famous stories are like, you know, the building's burning, the little girl gets her sister out, the dad beats her because it was God's will, let your sister burn. It's Christianity says no, you've got a responsibility to lay down your body for your brother. Not just the golden rule, you know, do unto others as you have done unto you. That's the beginning. No, lay down your life for your brother, your sister. That's the greatest thing. And we have that attitude. We're not giving something up. We're building an incredible society around that. And it is real Christianity that is the fount of success. And that's why the tyrants hate it because it gets in the way of their tyranny.

1:26:25 It's not controllable. Yeah, how can you predict what someone would do when their entire life is about self-preservation and building themselves up and then they have that one moment where they're able to lay down their life for their brother and they give it all up in a way that nobody could logically predict. This was actually one of the end pieces of the book Ender's Game, which is a really great story. It's a It's a story about leadership and it's a good thing for people who are military. Tell us your view on it. So if you read the end of Ender's Game, what they do is the raid that they're able to actually conquer this alien race that is this non-communicative sort of conquering force. You have all these people that basically they learn the lessons. The aliens are learning the lessons of human fighters, that they preserve every individual fighter, that every person has value and worth, and that every single one of us does our most to protect our brother, but also protect ourselves and carry on to the next battle and so on.

1:27:09 right up into the point where someone is willing to make an ultimate sacrifice. And it's not something you can predict. The alien is unable to predict that one person, a sentient, intelligent, self-determined being would go forward and voluntarily lay their life down for those around them so that more people could continue. And so that's the fundamental thing that human beings have in the story enders game. And you said the aliens don't. And you said the aliens were not communists that mindlessly follow some king ant, which the aliens are ants. Right. We don't mindlessly sacrifice ourselves like ants. It's at key points we're ready to do it. Because we're total individualists. And it's voluntary. I'm a grown-up. I have the ability to see that I'm going to put my life on the line because, again, this Christian value, there's no greater love than if you lay down your life for your brother. And what if your brother is all the civilization of your brother and everyone that could ever come after you? Then maybe you do that. I mean, it's a very Christ-like sort of, you're following the example of Christ. But you also know we're going to lose everything if you don't. You know you're going to lose everything if you don't do it.

1:28:02 That's it, yeah. Like if everybody's gonna die or just I'm gonna die, I'm gonna go lay on that grenade, right? I mean, there are people that have made this decision countless times. We award them for valor. We call it what it is. But this is what permeates literature and this is all inspired by Christianity. The guy who wrote that Orsons-Dot-Card is Mormon, but he wrote about Catholics, which is interesting too. That was his kind of stand in, because he couldn't write about the Mormon church, but the value system there of being able to see that there is an inherent value in people You ask where did you get your values from and it's really obvious and Americans should be more honest about it because anytime you're able to hear this lady talk about some sort of like cultural relativism and the Incas were really compassionate and they allowed people to voluntarily sacrifice themselves. You're insane. There's no reason why the government is targeting people.

1:28:48 I'm not a big Star Trek fan, but I do like Wrath of Khan and you got Spock realizes that they're about to detonate this weapon That's gonna kill them all he didn't want to die But if he doesn't go in the reactor and fix it, they're all gonna die So it makes a decision to go fix the reactor and that's really the thing is we're not the communist go Oh be collective give yourself up the greater good when we give you the order No through Christ we make the decision when to make the sacrifice and it may not be willing to you know at that point die or but it's willing to be attacked, willing to be put in jail, willing to be persecuted, and that's why they fear real Christians. Is that what you're saying? It's the story of red or white martyrdom. So if you're going to give up your life, it's called red martyrdom. This is a historic concept. The things that my buddies and I thought we were getting involved in is usually called white martyrdom. So you lose social prestige, you lose a job, you lose money, your family loses opportunity, things bad happen to you and you're willing to bear that burden. So martyrdom comes in various forms. And yes, like the idea is that you're willing to go up to and including the example of Christ, right?

1:29:42 red martyrdom, or you're willing to do some lighter version. Here's the thing that I think is really telling for people to think about, Alex. You had an entire federal government that was 100% okay with enforcing these COVID vaccines, which is something I alluded to earlier. These people weren't willing to lose their jobs. Steve Jensen wasn't willing to lose his job. Chris Meyer wasn't willing to lose his job standing up to the FBI. He wasn't willing to lose his job. You think he was willing to lay down his life on behalf of the Constitution? Let's see when we come back. We saw this. And again, to me, it's not even a choice. When the Democrats came to me in those negotiations four years ago, two years ago, they said, listen, we'll drop it all. We'll drop the suits, but we want you to work for us. I said no, and they couldn't believe it. They said we're gonna destroy you. And I said, I will be destroyed if I sell my soul to you. What do you, it wasn't even a question. It's not that I'm a hero, I'm just not a slave. We'll be right back. I'm cutting this on July 30th, 2025.

1:32:11 I started to hurt myself because the workouts were so crazy. My trainer goes, dude, what's going on like three days into it? I don't know. I like it better than doing like a five hour energy shot because it'll make you crash afterwards. This doesn't have the crash. So you've had no crash. If you'll just try, you'll be hooked and we can fund the operation. It's a win win. Now's the time. Get the methylene blue bare minimum. The AlexListore.com So listen folks, just like I told you 33 days ago, and it's not rocket science, when they put that memo out and nobody's name was on it, and it was Axios, that's a whole 10 hour discussion with somebody that researches this. And then I call Sarah Fenn up and I'm literally like listening to myself, but even more, he's like, yeah, that's the deep state, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then, you know, obviously they didn't put their name on it because it's, it's the system and they're all scared and they've been told to do it and you're not going to get it as I told you. And then you were, and then Trump keeps doubling down on this. When I know last time I talked to Kyle, he may have changed his mind. There's no evidence of Trump, but then I've talked to high level people and I'm not even really going to say what I was told. Let's just say this.

1:33:15 Trump isn't being threatened by the CIA to kill him if he releases it because it was now coming out that Epstein was an FBI informant as I said years ago and that he was Mossad and the CIA was overseeing it with all these other people and it was money laundering and it was drug dealing and it was human trafficking. It was a it was a air traffic control system, it was that this will bring down the stock market because so many corporate people are involved. It's not like they got caught in honey traps most of them. They wanted to go join the club as an initiation. And so screwing 15 year old girls is just an hors d'oeuvre. And so I agree with a lot of people I respect and have talked to that it was a lot bigger than that. People go, oh, you're covering up the pedophilia. No, I'm saying this was much larger

1:34:03 So shifting gears into that, Kyle Serafin, but first you were bringing up a famous poem that I have heard of that I think is indicative of what we're dealing with here. And then let's get into the fourth, maybe more, it's at least 4 180s in 33 days by Trump, who's not stupid. So why would he be strisanding? You said at least four months ago before this broke, when they first, Bongino and Patel went on Fox like deer in the headlights and did that, that this is an order from the top and that there are really bad PR advisors to Trump and the FBI and Now that's clearly happening. You told me on air months months later, but privately you'll never get any of it and now you've been just like Dead on so there's a lot to unpack there. I know to go into the thought process how you do that There's so many data points probably came and do it. That's the way my brain works, too but but just in general get into the poem and then I want to get a

1:35:02 to this clip of Trump yesterday and why would he engage with the mother of all Streisand effects? It's actually more than four times. It's actually, I was thinking about, he's a major one of these four times. Yeah, go ahead. It's just flip-flop factory. I'll tell you what, if you wanna hold the poem as a kind of a closing thought, cuz I do think it ties a lot of this stuff together, we can hold on to it for a second. But I wanna tell you why what is going on with the Epstein flip-flops is very much the same situation, at least in my estimation. This is Kyle's analysis. It's the same thing that you just saw with Steven J Six Jensen. It's the same story. We're gonna talk you into doing something stupid. We're gonna have you promote that person. Then you're gonna go and you're gonna make a reverse. Now you gotta go defend things that you have no ability to offend. You're gonna look like a fool in front of all your people. It's the same thing that you and I have talked about in person, which is that if I isolate you from your base, if I isolate you from the natural people who would support you, go look at any post that either Dan Bongino or Cash Mattel or even that Donald Trump might put out. You said that over four months ago. You said they're being set up with bad advice to be destroyed before they did it.

1:36:03 And then look, a third of the responses on any social media post of any of these people, it does the same thing. People are like, hey, where's the Epstein files? Hey, hey, look. So they go get the job and they just listen to whoever was already there. How stupid is that? It's the dumbest thing ever. But listen, these are people that are paid and their whole life is on the line. I mean, they're incentivized to follow They're programming that they're incentivized to support their agency above the Constitution even so when you follow the exact programming you get promoted That's why they become robotic. That's why that's who's there. Listen, I did so I like the FBI That's so amazingly smart of me. You are let me ask this How many percentage wise dead reckoning how many people in the FBI are as smart as Kyle Seraf because I'd love the FBI was full of guys like you okay, so I all right, this is like a it's kind of a

1:36:53 uncomfortable question. I have an IQ that's in the 99.9 percentile based on the standardized tests that I've taken. So that's just a data point. It doesn't mean that I do the smartest things ever because I've done a lot of dumb things in my life. But when it comes to academic capabilities, I have a high one. I would estimate that the FBI hires from the 75th percentile and above. So some of my colleagues I would consider pretty dim, but they're smarter than the average person on the street and therefore they're effective at what they're doing. And your best workers are never going to be guys that are super smart. In fact, those people see all the problems and all the angles and a lot of them, there's nothing more common than underworking genius. A lot of really smart guys overthink it, but you're really smart and they can't get any horsepower. Yeah, no horsepower.

1:37:31 Here's the problem that I had, Alex. I showed up the first couple days, they do a thing called the one week. And this is where people who are bright get real in trouble with organizations like the FBI. They love like an 85th percentile guy, smarter than average, hard worker, competent, doesn't say no, doesn't buck the system. That's your Steve Jensen's, the guy who just did what he was supposed to do. That's your Chris Meyer, I assume, who was probably, he was an Air Force pilot, I think. So probably not a dummy, right? Like probably pretty bright, maybe a 90th percentile guy. But the issue is I showed up the first week and the FBI said we were created in 1908 and we were called the Bureau of Investigation. And I looked at my buddy who was sitting next to me, who's another very high performer. And the two of us, like we used to joke, like how is it that I lost my job at the FBI before him? Because he's more of a wild card than I am. We look at each other and we go, well, if you were created as the Bureau of Investigation and you were officially declared by Congress to be the FBI in 1935, your birthday is in 1935.

1:38:24 There's precedent for this in the federal government. The Air Force was created under the Army Signal Corps, then the Armor Air Corps, then it became the Air Force. Bullshit. They're giving you lies right up front. If somebody lies about their birthday, like why are they lying about something that doesn't matter? They're establishing credibility and bona fides that are all bullshit. And I hate saying it that way, but that's the only way I look at it. That was obvious to me in the first week. I went home to my wife and after our classes were over in the first week, they're not even teaching FBI stuff. They're just saying welcome to being a federal employee. I said, honey, I'm going to try to do 20 years here, but I think it's going to be a rough go. I don't know if I can find enough small bites to be able to eat a 20 year career. And I turned out like I actually got longer than most people expect. Anybody who like apparently one of my Quantico

1:39:03 counselors went forward and was one of the architects of getting rid of the unvaccinated Christians, a woman named Dina Perkins, who's been widely reported in various different news outlets. And she apparently said, I was one of the biggest mistakes the FBI ever made. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. I was one of the worst mistakes, Alex. I'm a big problem. I think what I did is I embarrassed the FBI, because I think critically. Even Rasmussen, that's the most accurate, and they like Trump overall. They say five points in his base, 14 points in independence. Just a slaughter and now he keeps doubling down and flip-flopping the worst activities you can do and you're saying

1:39:40 Obviously, it's bad advice to other people, but I think Trump's doing this himself. What do you think's going on there? And then where do you see this going? I think this is pride, unfortunately, and I think that this is just the nature of things. Like, I think they're playing Trump against himself, which is that he doesn't like to backtrack. He doesn't admit that he's wrong. Occasionally, if something is not a big deal, but he gets a pushback, he'll fix it early on. But this is far committed. So now he's stuck in this weird vortex of just No matter what he does, he's not gonna be able to unprove the unprovable. You can't prove a negative. My understanding is- But the more he says don't ask about it, the more they're gonna do it. He certainly knows that. Yeah, of course. And this is what we know about the, this is what I've been told about what his name is referenced as far as the Epstein files go. The main reference that FBI had about him, which was apparently asked to be redacted, and this was actually not a big deal. He should have just published it. The story goes something like Jeffrey Epstein was interviewed, was complaining, I guess, in writing to either his attorneys or someone that was similar to that.

1:39:03 counselors went forward and was one of the architects of getting rid of the unvaccinated Christians, a woman named Dina Perkins, who's been widely reported in various different news outlets. And she apparently said, I was one of the biggest mistakes the FBI ever made. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. I was one of the worst mistakes, Alex. I'm a big problem. I think what I did is I embarrassed the FBI, because I think critically. Even Rasmussen, that's the most accurate, and they like Trump overall. They say five points in his base, 14 points in independence. Just a slaughter and now he keeps doubling down and flip-flopping the worst activities you can do and you're saying

1:39:40 Obviously, it's bad advice to other people, but I think Trump's doing this himself. What do you think's going on there? And then where do you see this going? I think this is pride, unfortunately, and I think that this is just the nature of things. Like, I think they're playing Trump against himself, which is that he doesn't like to backtrack. He doesn't admit that he's wrong. Occasionally, if something is not a big deal, but he gets a pushback, he'll fix it early on. But this is far committed. So now he's stuck in this weird vortex of just No matter what he does, he's not gonna be able to unprove the unprovable. You can't prove a negative. My understanding is- But the more he says don't ask about it, the more they're gonna do it. He certainly knows that. Yeah, of course. And this is what we know about the, this is what I've been told about what his name is referenced as far as the Epstein files go. The main reference that FBI had about him, which was apparently asked to be redacted, and this was actually not a big deal. He should have just published it. The story goes something like Jeffrey Epstein was interviewed, was complaining, I guess, in writing to either his attorneys or someone that was similar to that.

1:40:29 and said, I don't understand why I'm catching such a bum rap. Other guys don't get such a bum rap for things that they do wrong. And they mentioned Donald Trump, not that he was involved in children or pedophilia or anything else, but simply that he's a bad guy, but he doesn't get caught up in the same way that Jeffrey Epstein was. He's not gonna go to jail and end up in this thing. So that was the claim. It was this innocuous reference. Wow, so stop, that's a huge thing. You've been nothing but accurate for years. I know. Start over from your sources, because mine were his wife's a hooker that worked for Epstein. That's recycled. That's not come out. They've retracted. I predicted that would happen. Right. Jane Doe's, it weren't real people. They've tried that. Trump gets pissed. Oh my God, they've got this file. Obviously, they spiked it. I think that's reasonable. They did control the file.

1:41:10 Let's elaborate, but you're saying from your information, that's it. Elaborate. Yeah, that was the entirety of it. It's actually what I would call non-derogatory information. That's the way we would categorize it. Start over. I interrupted. This is important. Walk through it slowly. Real simply, there was a communication between Jeffrey Epstein. It was either a captured jail call or something to that effect. And he was communicating to someone that he was displeased with the unfair treatment that he got. And he referenced several people who had less unfair treatment than what he was getting. And Donald Trump was one of the names. And it wasn't in reference to pedophilia in general. It was just about being demonized in public as far as I understand it. So that was the claim that I heard. That was probably briefed in a much more negative light.

1:41:50 by the time it got to him, because why tell him the truth? You tell him it's something much more salacious. And then he made some decisions based on that information, all of which after that point had been bad. That's the understanding that I have, that it was what I would again call non-derogatory information. And every PR move since then has basically locked him into this pattern of behavior where he's gonna go back and forth. They've claimed they're gonna get grand jury information. The grand jury information was substantially the same as presented in court. All this stuff is actually fairly old. So if there was- Sure, what do you make of the Republicans- Didn't have been there. Subpoenaing all the FBI directors and AGs? This is executive information. So what are they gonna do? Most of them have NDAs where they're actually not allowed to share information cuz it's not theirs. If they're gonna go out there and they're gonna call these people, this is all dog and pony to me. You're talking about something that if the Trump administration really wanted this.

1:42:39 Yeah, of course, because look, if there was information that wanted to be released, who's the ultimate authority on declassifying and sharing information in the United States? Trump. It's the president, the end. There's no negotiation. So it doesn't matter what Mike Johnson asked for or Chuck Grassley goes for, you know, Jim Jordan. You can have all the hearings you want. I love the Q target. Trump is doing this trillion deed chess to make the Democrats release it. He's got full control. He owns it all. Yeah, you don't need somebody else's permission when you're the boss. And so anyone arguing otherwise, look, I think they're trapped in a PR nightmare and they keep making the wrong roves. I think you and I actually gave the best advice early on, which was just stop talking about it. And eventually it would go away or do some wins or

1:43:16 The easiest thing you could do is lay your cards on the table and say, we have been partially honest with you, but I understand why you think we're being deceptive. Let us earn your trust with this open news press conference. It's gonna be an hour. Sure, so how did you know six months ago when you told me off air and four months ago on air, you're not getting anything? How did you know that? And then B, this is killing Trump. What would you advise him to do at this point? I just watched five points, you know, establish the same line of best fit. It was just simple analysis. I'm watching what things are going on. I'm seeing that the people that are setting up the bad decisions by the FBI, it's personnel decisions. It's not getting rid of certain people. It's promoting the wrong people. It tells me that the

1:43:56 the bad advice theater is going on inside there. That they're getting all kinds of nefarious actors that are trying to move things the way that they want, they're protecting them. And if you could discredit Donald Trump as you go, then that would be better. You've got an FBI that spent the last what, three years investigating Donald Trump. If you wanna be more broad, you can go back to 2015, 2016. So you could say it's been the last almost 10 years that they've done it in some fashion at some level. But it got down to the street agents by the time you passed 2020 and you got buy-in across the board. I know new agents that just quit. They were like, look, I didn't sign up for any of this crap. And some of them, I mean, let me raise this. I'm giving you a staunt on this, but I read a lot of history books about the West and you know, all of it. David Merrick is very interesting and Quanah Parker and all that. Cause I found it to be, and she's very interesting. I'm a little bit Comanche on my dad's side of the family.

1:44:41 You couldn't infiltrate the Comanches, they wouldn't work with you, but you can actually infiltrate the Apaches and smother us a little bit. If I was going to be the US Army that in a few years is going to declare a new territory and say, you know, Arizona or whatever, which they did, I would go in, establish places selling guns and whiskey. I'd get to know them. I would have, you know, people that have some of the Apaches they work with, they get intel, I'd act like they were their friend. And then, and then I would actually use that information. Why wouldn't a Kash Patel, even if he's with the deep state or wants to just play both sides, bring in a Kyle Serafin that's proven he knows what he's doing and then use the intelligence of deep state. Like if they were really sophisticated and really evil, I'm not trying to give them pointers or I'm just being sophisticated or Machiavelli. Why do they think siding with the known bad guys and letting them create the data?

1:45:26 file to control them is smart. Why would they not get somebody like you who doesn't want to be a double agent, would effectively be that to tell them how the roadmap works? It's so unsophisticated for them to go into this shark's nest, this wasp nest, this barrel of snakes and do this. It's so stupid. Why did they not when you offered and they were asking you for help early on, why did they not bring you in? First of all, I was just amused by the tactic you talked about. That's what the Jesuits did when they brought Christendom out to a lot of the West. So why would you not have a Kyle Seraphin? Why would you not have a Gerardo Boyle or a Steve Friend or someone come in? There's a simple reason, Alex. Whistleblowers are a threat to the integrity of the system.

1:46:07 because they're not go along people. They've already shown a propensity against their best interest. For anybody who wants to claim Kyle Serafin was planted by the FBI at great personal cost to myself. I lost my home, I made my three children and eventually four children homeless. I don't own the home that I'm in right now. It's when you find people Yeah, when you find people who are willing to basically be the person that jumps on that grenade, be a white martyr, whatever it may be, or say my principles stand alone. The joke that we used to have is that principles only matter if you have them, right? My buddy Steve says that. That's the case. I said, it shouldn't surprise people in the FBI that when you supposedly are vetting people, that they have integrity. It shouldn't surprise you when someone demonstrates certain amount of integrity.

1:46:50 I believed what the FBI was doing was wrong. I started whistleblowing my first year in the bureau, and I clearly highlighted myself as a problem. We had letters that were written to the Office of General Counsel in 2019, showing that the surveillance program was doing things that were dangerous to the surveillance program, but it was actually just like very administrative type stuff. By the time they started going after Christians or trying to eliminate people for the J6 stuff, and they were saying who's gonna be on board and who's not, when they were doing parental surveillance. What do you mean? Don't they know history? If they want to protect an institution, You protect it by working with people like any Green Beret would tell you with force multiplication They're only worried about the bureaucracy the bureaucracy is falling. It's under attack. It'll never be dumped He's never gonna put back together again, and I don't think the general government bureaucrat not just FBI understands You've lost you it doesn't matter how long it takes there's no way this gets put back together Why don't they just come over to our side for reform and be heroes?

1:47:48 You know what, I think the other thing, somebody told me this, this is a retired FBI agent said that no one's ever done what I've done, which is that I basically said, you can't buy me. You can't give me my job back and silence me. You can't put me somewhere where I'm gonna go away. You can't tell people that I'm a piece of garbage because the things I'm saying are correct. And so nobody's ever gone and said, I'm gonna destroy my anonymity. I'm gonna destroy any future prospects of working in the job. Like I spent 10 years trying to be, to get to federal law enforcement. I did the military service. I worked in emergency medicine. I went and eventually worked for the FBI. Like I spent a lot of time to get there. Most people won't take 10 years of their life and flush it down the toilet and say, you know what?

1:48:25 I'm gonna just go and say things that I believe are true. And that's what I've done. I believe they're true. Some of the things I've said are probably not true or they've been discredited in some way. But the vast majority of what I've said, I believe them to be true at the time. I said what I believe was true and I'll stand by the things I've said. I got a question about my entire- I mean, in closing, we're out of time. Oh, it's coming up. Let me ask you this. Gut level, how do you see this ending? I mean, with Trump, because he keeps going, I mean, they're gonna have hearings now. He's throwing fuel on the fire. Yeah, there's two possibilities. Yeah, there's two possibilities. One of them is that we hit the mountain really hard because people don't change course. So we continue to roll in, the midterms are a slaughter. The Democrats tie it up in investigations and subpoenas and distract the American people in 2025 becomes a toying toss for a very, very weak and terrible party.

1:49:08 versus the Republican Party, which is not doing a whole lot better. They're not doing the things they said. Remember, Mike Johnson went in there, the whole thing he said he was gonna do was give a single issue, single line appropriations and spending bills. And they've never done that. They did a big omnibus bill. So I'm not crazy about the way they work. That's right. So one of them is we go and we're going to dive headfirst in the mountain because they're going to keep doing this path. The other one is you pull up. I don't know what the pull-up looks like, but it's going to have to involve a change in tactics and a change in trajectory. You have to actually start going after bad deep staters. Could that be the beginning of a pull-up? I think that he needs to do a lot more than that and he also needs to replace the guys like Dan Bongino. Look, Dan Bongino is miserable where he's at. He doesn't want to be there. I don't want him to be there for him as a human being. And I don't think he's good for the country or the bureau. Yeah, but I'm not saying Patel's gonna pull up. I think the scandal will make Trump pull it up.

1:49:56 Possibly, what that means though is you need to have somebody who knows the FBI that can go in and actually have a real bullshit meter in there that doesn't. And you don't have that currently, and you're not gonna get that from the people that have been able to hold on to their jobs. You need someone that's gonna disrupt the system. And I would recommend someone that's retired, that's former FBI, not myself, I don't want anything to do with it. You need someone that's got 20 years of experience, that worked in headquarters- No, you're right, we're out of time, Kyle. Thanks for almost two hours, kyleservant.com. Join us again soon, next week. Amazing, people can find your podcast. Incredible. This is a huge scandal, but a healthy one. Thank you so much. I appreciate it, Ox.

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