2:15:20 There's no question about it. Actually, it reminds me I wanted to follow up with you because you had mentioned you were, I think it was at the White House, and there was talk, it was during the Trump era, and there was talk of a project on the dark side of the moon with Musk. And we're looking at all these things going on with Musk and Musk turning Twitter to X, which is, you know, X is the symbol of that advanced technology that we follow so closely. The steganography is something very occult, but it relates to the technology. I was very curious to get you to talk further about that, because it sounds to me like there's something in that and in the fact that Musk couldn't pull it off or wouldn't pull it off. Well, I was told
2:16:00 By a guy that had worked for Musk, first that Musk was at the White House in front of Trump and they were talking about 3D printers on the dark side of the moon so it can't be seen by telescopes right over the edge. and that that's where they were going to build the rockets to go to Mars, which is the official plan he talked about a little bit after I was told that. But that they'd already set up a bunch of stuff over there, that was going on. Then I had another source at the White House that I told about that. They said, yeah, that's what was going on. Musk was going and getting funding for Trump and his space force and a bunch of reasons to do that. And reportedly,
2:16:39 that there's just a lot of stuff going on, we don't know about it. That just like NASA, 90% of it or so, they were estimating, you're the real expert, correct me if I'm wrong, was actually military. And just what we saw with NASA, them up there watering plants and doing all this stuff was just a cover story that most of it was clandestine. That indeed, that's what they're using Musk for, is kind of like a Howard Hughes 10.0. Yes, absolutely. That's a great point. And I bet that that program had legs and that has something to do with the friction between Trump and Musk that happened after he left office.
2:17:16 But it seems to me also that when you're talking about NASA, we're talking about a totally secret program behind NASA. And that goes back to the Kennedy era. And one of the things that Kennedy wanted to do was share that UFO file with the Russians. And this went to the very nest of the paperclip Nazis that were running our space program. And that's all on record. that they were controlling the program and that it was the same command protocol from the Nazi rocket program. And the whole idea originally was Space Corps, that was a Nazi program to run everything on the ground from space. So how far away are they from achieving that goal by creating a threat? And remember, it's von Braun who comes directly out of that period and was the father of our Apollo program.
2:18:06 who before he died gives this deathbed confession and says they're gonna pull an alien threat. And that's gonna be the last car that they pull and it's gonna all be a complete lie. So he was giving us, I think something very important there. And this is the kind of history when we look at the UFO file that relates to what took place in the past in relation to NASA. But also the fact that we have all these psychic aspects that dig around whenever we get around the UFO file. And that includes Von Braun who who had the remote viewing group at SRI develop an ESP machine to test astronauts with. Well, there's a reason he did that. We don't know. And by the way, that's not a secret. So many people I know get mad about talking about this, but NASA was really a whole shadow government, not just rockets.
2:18:55 and not just space exploration. That's how they recruited all the whiz kids into programs. They thought they were being recruited into that, but they weren't. And then I know a major Hollywood producer. He's put out a whole bunch of big films. And I got to know him well. He was from Houston. I haven't talked to him in a while, but he used to really hang out with a lot. He moved to LA. But he told me that He was testing high when he was a kid, so they put him in a NASA program in Houston that I've been told about by some other people. And then it was all about making children more psychic or more tuned into their psychic abilities. And then NASA basically, he told me, we're talking 20 years ago, was really a shadow group for a whole government psychic program.
2:19:39 Now that's fascinating and it adds up with so many of the things that they've done. Because if you look into the CIA's history, the intelligence communities interface with NASA. There's a number of programs that they asked them to probe including this program about Atlantis and the Hall of Records and things of this nature. So the CIA had a program in 1964 to go through the files of Edgar Cayce, who's a psychic, the sleeping prophet. and who was from Virginia Beach, and they wanted to know at his organization who had information about this old, ancient Atlantean technology. So they had a program to infiltrate the Association for Research and Enlightenment, which is the Casey Foundation. So the psychic aspect and the interface around the intelligence... Yeah, but if it's total crap, why would the CIA be trying to infiltrate it? Yes.
2:20:30 This is interesting too, because if you actually look into the, just go a little bit into the men in black programs that are directly around the UFO file, you're gonna find that they were employing through a group, I call the group Expert X, it's a very small piece inside of the intelligence community that interfaces with aerospace to keep those secrets. And they keep the UFO file secret. Remember who they had kill Bobby Kennedy was an aerospace CIA guy. Yes, exactly. And what's interesting, we put that in the documentary I have called UFO Threat File Assassins. And here's the thing about Thane Eugene Caesar, which I think is fascinating. Not only did he work for Lockheed Martin, he worked in their Skunk Works division, which is, that's the whole Ben Rich alien reproduction vehicle
2:21:22 piece. And he, you know, the famous quote that Ben Rich came up with was, we now have the ability to send ET home. So if you go a little bit into Thain's history, he was a 26-year-old security guard. How did he get this incredible lofty position at Skunk Works? And he gets hired three days before RFK shows up at the Ambassador Hotel. So that is an incredible crisscross there and if you dig a little bit deeper on it you're going to find, and you mentioned Howard Hughes earlier in relation to Musk. And that's the same type of archetype, but it was Hughes' aerospace that was closely connected with all the activities around Thane Eugene Caesar and Bob Mayhew and the assassination of Kennedy. And it's interesting because it was Nixon who really got the benefit of that, but he had a huge UFO file background. So this is an interesting unknown aspect going on in the back of these geopolitical pieces, which is the UFO file and their knowledge of it.
2:22:20 LBJ kept an X letter about Nixon was supposed to be open this year, you know, open it 50 years after my death. Well, what is the X letter contained? Well, they don't want to release that. The intelligence agencies don't want to have that X letter out. Well, X would give you some indication as to what the nature of the project is, because all these presidents knew at some point they're going to disclose this advanced technology. And I want my role in the middle of all of this to be explained. Wow, it's really an incredible time to be alive. And you've covered a lot. For you to say that, I take that to be a big deal. Well, I mean, it's just, you can see everything's accelerating, moving towards a point. We know they're suppressing a lot of technology. We know we're in the middle of the universe. We know all the ancient said creatures were coming here. The Bible talks about it. But then we see what they're doing and it's clearly, they always follow the same Roswell, aliens. And then these people say, we're the first to ever say this. So there's all these, you know, Simon and Schuster published books by the so-called whistleblowers.
2:23:20 Clue, they want to contain and control the story with the narrative they're putting out. And I think maybe something big is about to happen. I think you alluded to it with Eisenhower and people and Reagan and what they saw. Maybe they think something is about to show up and they're getting us ready. I mean, who knows? Well, that's interesting because if you look at that period of time with Reagan, you're going to see right afterwards you get all the bizarre fraud and the rancontra and all this wild money going everywhere to fund something. So how much of the missing money that we've seen so many people go after and say there's all this money missing from the government, but it's missing from now. Eight hundred dollar toilet seats, five hundred dollar hammers. Exactly.
2:24:02 What does that tell you? I mean, and that goes back, how far does that go back? So when we're looking at it, I think we have to chart it. The National Security Act, it goes a lot further back. But if we use that as a touchstone, then we're going to see. After 1947, the government goes UFO crazy. Exactly. Exactly. I couldn't have said it better myself. All right, impressive. Dark journalist, darkjournalist.com. You're on with me at 1130. 30 minutes of the show tomorrow. We're going to play the clips. We're going to analyze the incredible hearing from today. Thank you so much, sir. I can't wait. It sounds great. I can't wait either. Dr. Jane Ruby is loaded for bear. She's got a lot to cover. Always amazing. She takes over next hour. Infowars.com forward slash show colloidal silver back in stock up to 60% off infowarsstore.com right now.