Full Alex Jones. Vs Nick Fuentes Debate

00:01 Folks, 23 days ago Trump put out that Justice Department memo. I said Trump's behind it people so you're attacking Trump and then he came out later and said no it's me don't ask questions shut up about it as this is incredibly suspicious and now they're running around with the Justice Department meeting with Giselaine Maxwell It looks bad But people take what I've said out of context when I'm wargaming this because, I think they would have used information against Trump if they had it before. With that said now the jury's out on Trump the jury is in on the Democrats and Epstein Island and Bill Gates and Larry Summers all the rest of it so...I am not an apologist for Trump All I get is persecuted and attacked for supporting President Trump

01:06 and I've seen clips of Nick, I played it earlier before he came on. And I'm not saying it's a wrong critique but you know out of context you could see it now I'm looking for the truth and my issue is do we throw out Robert F Kennedy Jr., Tulsi Gabbard all the good things that are happening if stuff comes out that he's screwing kids with Trump? Of course I'm gonna expose him! I mean I'm not tied to that wagon but in the larger issue is the Epstein issue the only issue And it's not like Nick Fuentes just came out and said, I'm against Trump now. He said it a year and a half ago. He was a big supporter early on. That's how many nine years ago? I think Nick is smart guy and agree with most things he says. So we are having a large discussion called the debate here but I want to be 100% clear. I will go where the facts lead. I'm not an apologist for Trump but at the same time We need to recognize that the Democrats in the ADL and the Republicans joining him do not want this discussion

02:05 They do not want Nick Jay Fuentes on Rumble. They do not want Alex Jones on X or InfoWars. They do not like this tonight because they don't want you to hear a real unfiltered discussion, because I sent Nick a text last Tuesday and said will you come on debate? He said yeah how about next Wednesday night? I said great we're doing it that's the only discussions we've had all right and so this isn't some scripted debate This is a real discussion and it's not about who's smarter, and it's not about... I don't mind all that stuff. Nick's 26 years old super smart. Thought he was smart when I first met him nine years ago That's why I have Nick on He's great interviewer He's great for the show I've got big shows It's not about personalities To me its' really figuring out what's happening But to open the debate And ill give them floor for next 10 minutes

03:00 I wanna be clear, if you actually watch my show. I'm not running defense for Trump. I don't know what the truth is. I'm completely freaked out. I've said Trump's acting insanely guilty and I've only war-gamed every angle of this trying to figure out what's going on because I do a four hour show and the Democrats ran stuff nationwide saying I've turned on Trump 23 days ago Don't care about being on CNN ABC and NPR every channel those people don't listen to me anyways But they take little 10-second clips out of context. I know they do that I just don't want Nick and my viewers to do that. I want you to listen to what? I'm actually saying clearly

03:46 Epstein's facade, the CIA has asked Trump to cover it up. That's a no-brainer. The question is, is Trump involved? If he was where is the evidence so I haven't figured this out yet and all I'm doing is stream of consciousness what you get on my show is what I'm thinking no scripting know nothing and usually My job's easy. Is fentanyl good? No, is open borders good? No, is war with Russia good? No, Israel attacking Iran no my job 95% of the time it's very easy It's these type of issues where I can tell the listeners I don't know So Nick you've got the floor to say whatever you want here I'm gonna shut up for about 10 minutes cuz I've been talking for about five and And then I'm gonna ask you the question after that maybe address it now Okay We can send Trump to Mars

04:40 What comes next is accelerationism. If Kamala was in, would that be better? Maybe it would because it pisses off more I just don't know so this is one of the few issues where I will tell listeners I don't know and all I can do is war game each scenario and I would just ask people to realize if you see a 30-second clip actually go see what I said because I will then say something completely different Because I'm wargaming and don't know so Nick is simulcast this on rumble Nick J. Foyntes And on X great to have you Nick thank you so much for the time hey Alex great to be with you Yes, well You know we did promote this as a debate and we hyped it up and everything But I agree with you I think it is more fruitful as a discussion because like you I think me in the audience We're trying to get to the truth. We want to know what is really going on here

05:34 And I also agree with you that we don't know. That's sort of the nature of it, that's why people have a problem. We just don't know because the government is not releasing the files and this Epstein scandal has been like Many of the other scandals concerning the deepest and most sordid types of corruption, it's concealed. It's hidden there is not government transparency and without transparency there can't be accountability until all of this is happening inside of the shadows now that gets to my biggest criticism of Trump And you know he said this a moment ago and I understand where are you coming from? You say Are There Other Issues Besides The Epstein issue? I've heard A lot Of People Say This

06:15 They say that for the MAGA base, which I consider myself a part of even though I didn't vote for Trump. On the demographic if the MAGA bases and revolt over the Epstein files people say are you throwing out the baby with the bathwater? What about the secure border what about the progress that's being made as you say by RFK junior by Tulsi Gabbard The good things are happening at the administration is it worth it in other words people say If he's failing on one narrow issue like Epstein, which people say realistically doesn't actually affect people's daily lives. They say is that a mistake?

06:50 Now, my position is that you can't compartmentalize these issues. Contrary to that take or that defense I don't think you're capable...I don't think it's possible to separate and cordon off the Epstein issue and say that's over here and immigration and foreign policy and the rest of it is over there because the proposition of the first Trump campaign going back 10 years ago in 2016 or even in 2015 when Trump ran in the primary. He said that the reason that our politicians had failed us over 30 years on both sides, Republican side, Democrat side, the right and left he said is not for a lack of trying, not for lack of will

07:31 He said it's because the system has failed us. It's because of corruption, they can't deliver a real victory because they're not beholden to the people instead they're beholden to foreign interests special interest donors political PACs and there was a suggestion of blackmail There is a suggestion of a shadow operation happening behind the scenes So why do we get these policies that are bad for America, like free trade foreign wars mass migration? They said well it's because the politicians are not really the ones running the country. They're not running the country on behalf of the voters or the people but rather they're being controlled by the money or the intelligence agencies or by some shadow element in nature which we don't fully understand now he said

08:18 a contravention of all of this, I will run and I will deliver the real victories. I will reverse all the policies because i'm not controlled by those interests And there was this foil with him and Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton personified that system, and she did come from the Democrat side but she personified realistically both sides—the Bush dynasty, the Clinton dynasty, the Republicans, the Democrats, the Dennis Hasterts, and the Bill Clintons. Hillary Clinton was the epitome of corruption and the epitome of globalism And so at 16, you have this proposition of I'm gonna run with no foreign influence. No blackmail. I'm going to fight the corruption and then deliver the victory now fast forward 10 years later and Trump seems to be covering up what is really The scandal of all scandals it's the worst kind of scandal It's got every negative attribute involved its children its sexual trafficking Its blackmail its foreign intelligence its billionaire oligarchs And you say if trump is covering that up

09:19 We lose faith in him. He loses all credibility as that leader, as that Caesar-like leader this once in a generation figure leading a once in a generation populist movement it strips it of that character and to get maybe a lot of this is rhetoric let's make it more concrete If Trump is burying the Epstein files, which we don't know the information because that's exactly what's happening and we'll get into that I'm sure as the night progresses. But if Trump is burying these Epstein files and we can trust him It leads to questions like, why are we not getting mass deportations? Why are we getting a war with Iran? The timing of all this is little conspicuous too. Is it because there's maybe more to the story? Do we have to draw a negative inference that he's covering these things up because he's named in them, because he's a participant in them

10:08 he's compromised by them in some way. Is that why we're not getting what's delivered? And how can we trust that he will deliver in the future? So to answer maybe the big defense of Trump, and I agree with you, we have to steel man the other position. We may not even agree with it we might state it simply to entertain it. If the pro-Trump side is saying, if their argument is well don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, the Epstein thing as a narrow singular issue, if that's the primary defense I would have to say it's not good enough because if he's named in these files then everything is compromised

10:46 Everything is touched and poisoned by the corruption. And when this cover up is going on, unfortunately we cannot assume that he has not touched by it. We actually have to draw a negative inference. That's sort of the whole point. I like you, I actually don't believe that Trump is necessarily guilty I think that is a assumption. I think that's an inference, I don't even think it's necessarily true that Trump was on the island or the Trump was raping kids or there's a videotape of Trump. I don't think that's even likely but when he has covered it up in the way that he has and as he dug this hole deeper and deeper having the DOJ cover it up asking the FBI to look for his name they told him his name was in there now he says his name was planted in there

11:32 He says the whole thing's a hoax. You actually have to draw a negative inference and assume if he's covering it up, there must be something there! If there wasn't something there they would release the files and so that's why I think this entire thing has disqualified him completely. I don't think it's one narrow issue a singular issue among others. And even if it were, it's not a minimal issue I think it touches everything and I think the very nature of these types of cover-ups the nature of the opacity The fact that its opaque The fact that we cannot see through it The fact that it has been covered up and there has been a deception There have been active cover ups An attempt to change subject lie about the nature of it We actually have to draw negative inference and we actually have to assume That there is something damning in their

12:20 That's why we're not getting it. And if that's the case, then that means he's corrupt and he's in on it with the rest of them." Now I want to answer the question you said at the end because that's actually super important and I'll sort of treat this like an opening statement. I don't wanna ramble on and on and on- No no no! You got like three or four minutes left keep going Sure, well and to your point about what comes next because that's a very good question. A lot of people wonder if Trump is failing or that's the perception on many of these issues like the foreign policy like immigration, like the Epstein cover-up. Question is well what comes next? Are we at the mercy of the left now are we supposed to now just be buried under Zoran Mondani's and Kamala Harris' and race communists and Sharia law this sort of thing

13:01 What I would say about Trump is this simple adage. When you come at the king, you can't miss! And what does that mean? Well, obviously we all understand what that means. It means that when you come for the king you have to finish the job. You cannot take half measures it's actually worse to take a half measure because if you come at the King and you miss all you do is make the King mad and the King has an army and the King has power so if Trump...and when I say The King of course I'm not even referring to Trump I'm referring to this left-wing political system If Trump has been coming at the king for 10 years with this 16 campaign, with January 6th. With the revenge campaign in 24 if that is a 10 year campaign going after the King and he's missing over and over failing

13:51 to purge the bureaucracy, failing to implement Project 2025. Failing to fire 50,000 employees have the mass deportations if it's this slow? If it's so unambitious, if he's already compromising and walking back and people having to come up with defenses for it well what are we doing all we're doing is pissing off the people that really run the world And if you miss They get the next reply and they're gonna come after all of us hard. Trump, you me the supporters to people in the administration we learned that the hard way after January 6th In a way, we kind of already did this in the first term. Trump came at the king was not equipped, did not have the personnel, did not have the expertise. There's arguments about what went wrong but needless to say it didn't work and so they came back and it was revenge of the Sith. It was Empire Strikes Back. They came down hard with the vaccine mandate with the DOJ on the J6ers with your lawfare, with the lawfare against Ricky Vaughn against many people

14:51 We came at the king, we missed. The king cracked down hard here we are again and it feels like deja vu all over again. We're coming at the King coming at the establishment and people say well you know what about immigration enforcement? What about these other good things that are happening I would argue were six months in i don't know anybody that's satisfied now people may be defending Trump and saying hey the best is yet to come. We passed the big beautiful bill, we got the funding And now in the next six months, we'll wrap up deportations. In the second half of the term that's when things are really going to get underway he's only six months in I would argue if we didn't hit the ground running If we don't come at it with seriousness and guns blazing if we're playing catch-up six months in a year out of the midterms

15:33 It's not gonna happen. They will delay, they will procrastinate, they will sabotage or throw up roadblocks like they did before and what's going to happen is when we run out the clock at the end of this term it's gonna be the same thing except the left is gonna come back even harder and even more severe. And I question then what good were the half measures if all they did was invite this reprisal? So that's why I really am an extreme skeptic. You're skeptical too. I've watched your show and we did hype it up, and I said i'm going to confront you but if you watch your show you've been critical And you've talked about the israeli element though no one can say you haven't been honest If they watch your show, I know you're a critic and a skeptic as well

16:14 I'm probably more skeptical and have been far more critical. We both want the truth, but I think we're both kind of mapping out Trump has put both of us in a predicament and the whole country how do we now get out of it? That's really the question so that's kinda where I'm at. And for the purpose of this debate or conversation, we can dispense with the rhetoric and just speak in practical terms. Where do we go from here because like you said, we're very short on answers and it's left us with a lot of questions So that's a powerful 10 minutes, Nick. And I agree with everything you said so i'm in full heart they will indict me for sure if they get back at him. I want Trump to be successful and then I watch him 24 days ago literally come out and say through that memo don't investigate he killed himself it wasn't even trafficking though his co-conspirators are jailed for it

17:06 And then they said, I got attacked by all the MAGA influencers saying you're a traitor. And then Trump two days later, yeah, I'm behind it shut it down so I'm in full horror mode let me ask you this question because I don't want to spend 10 minutes countering back here everyone we have to say how could Trump Even he was raping kids, which you said there's some evidence of that. It's obviously the CIA and Mossadis made a deal That's what I've been told by the White House Okay We had to make a deal with national security telling you folks that's what it is Lisa's what they told me that makes sense Why then would they bring attention to it and behave like this? Well, he 79 He has been in nine years basically as the president. I couldn't handle as a 51

17:53 And the truth is, is that Trump doesn't give up. He doesn't break down but he cracks up and from my sources and I don't say this meanly folks, I just can't lie to the audience. You can handle pressure and instead of having you know Democrat operatives in his White House, he now has Israelis. Look, I'm a guy that always said China's the main issue, the EU, the globalist black rock because Israel controlled our foreign policy at least but they weren't from all my research the dominant groups I would just say what i knew. But now in this power vacuum, Israel is bragging their newspapers that they're the superpower they control Trump well how do they control trump and we know Epstein is Mossad Maxwell's dad all of them and for the best intel I have Trump shut us down for that

18:53 And now he's pissed because the Democrats turned around even though Trump made a deal and are bringing it up. And that's what he's doing, and he's walked into a trap so now he's trying to kind of extricate So it's a nightmare! Listen my listeners want me to go on Trump I don't do what my listeners want I do what I think is best But at this point I don't even know what to do Because my enemies want to put me in prison and we know they're child molesters, and let the border open. We know they're bad." And then now Trump's this big thing and all I can say is Trump rode in on the populist wave and popular swimming everywhere so we should not put all our eggs in this basket but I'm also trying to decide okay uh do i want the Democrats to win the house? Do I Trump needs to indict them for crossfire hurricane he needs to release the Epstein files, he's a stop listening to CIA or he's doomed. I mean I think that is clear to me

19:50 Like you said, you don't shoot at the king once and miss and then barely survive. He's gotten a second shot And we've got to take them down he's-he's gotta do that So I think it's existential if Trump doesn't go to full war and actually do something Then by extension he's giving in the bad guys so I think really At the end of day It's all about action because America will forgive him for whatever this is if he backs away from him and indicts them for other things they've done that are cut and dry. But if they don't, but then that's a whole discussion Nick let's talk about what Trump should do but also what is the way out of this? Because I'm like pissed at Trump and then I look over there and I'm like literal shark tank of piranha ready to eat me in the country And I am actually deer-in-the headlights at this point because I mean this is a nightmare scenario

20:52 I agree. We feel stuck, and a year ago I was saying that we would sort of end up in similar predicament. Let me stop you for 10 minutes. I said before we came on, listen, I have guests on there consistently right? You can disagree with overall your views or whatever but you've been dead-on so my North Star is who's the most accurate, that's what I want. So you did predict all this which makes me physically ill Look at the crystal ball, Nick Fuentes. What is gonna happen and then what do we do? It's hard to say what is going to happen next because I was gonna say we are in a way stuck with Trump for the next four years and when I say stuck whether you think it's good or bad he's the president and he's in this incontestable position that was sort of the aspect of it that was very concerning to me which is

21:46 If you have Kamala Harris, she has no legitimacy. So a lot of people like to think well if Kamala went one what would that have looked like? Obviously it would not have been as good the economy wouldn't be as good the border when it but wouldn't Have been as good and that's obvious But what was less concerning to me about Kamala against all of that is That she was a lot less stable and not by that I don't mean mentally I mean that She had no legitimacy as a ruler Because she didn't win the Democrat primary fair and square, and never did. She didn't—nobody would believe she won the general election if she won no one would accept that that was a fair and square deal And so the regime would have been a lot less stable and had a lot less leeway What I fear with Trump is he has this cult-like status within the GOP

22:31 And when you look at the approval ratings over the past month, he has been declining with independents. He's hit a low of Democrats as always but his approval with Republicans has been remarkably stable. It's been stabilized at just under 90% approval even in spite of everything in spite of bombing Iran and in spite of floating the amnesty deal in spite of the Epstein files and So you say to yourself, where do we go from here? What do we do next? We're in this sort of intractable position where there's nothing we can't do because he is there and no one can challenge him. He steamrolled Congress to get the BBB. He steamrolled many people in the primary throughout this whole process and so you say

23:13 if Trump is failing us, if he's failing as a guy. And I agree with you there some sympathy with it. You don't say it to be mean. You don't say it even necessarily to be critical but just descriptively this is an old man. He has been fighting for a long time. He is tired and you can see that he can handle it. You can see that it is a crack up that he cannot handle these questions. And you watch these press conferences these interviews. It's extraordinary the way he keeps digging the way gets asked about it and puts his foot in his mouth with this sort of, well we need to just stop thinking about that. And it's a Democrat hoax and you say how is it even possible that he's fumbling this hard? So much so that people are saying maybe it's calculated because it is not possible to mess it up this bad. He's failing, he's cracking up at the same time- I love the futards saying oh, he's gonna make Democrats release the file. He's in control of it dumb asses

24:06 Exactly, he appointed the Attorney General. It's under his purview. He could release it if he wants to. Pam Bondi could do it. Trump can tell her to do it and so he is in this position. He's clearly not well and you can speculate about his health or something like that but just suffice to say he's not handling this well but also he is immovable and what more we talked about last time There's this exuberance and that really scared me when he came into office. And by scared, I don't wanna sound like a resistance liberal or something but a year ago I was concerned about this Trojan horse thing. He's gonna take all the Republicans with him anything he'll do will have his imprimatur of credibility 90% of Republicans will support it no matter what but then he gets into office then he wins the election and you see a Trump that is unchained where he's like

24:56 We're gonna take Canada, we're gonna take Greenland. We're gonna take Panama. We're going to go to war with Russia! We're gonna go to war with China!" And you're like this is a guy that is not handling it well he's incontestable and he's totally exuberant has this like God complex situation and so...we're kind of strapped in for the next three years and I would say eight years ago what I woulda said What Is Our Course Of Action? I woulda said we have to fight for the personnel We got to get a new chief of staff. We gotta get Susie Wiles out, we gotta get control the White House rest control of it from the bad personnel, get the good advisors in you know but we did that already and even now I don't think it's possible.

25:40 This is just how it's been the entire time. And Trump, if he knows how to get in touch with you, he knows how to get in touch with all these people that are critical, he won't do it. You know and by the way, the people that are at the FBI, it's Kash Patel, it's Dan Bongino, it's Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr., Elon Musk was on the team so you would say who would he call? To get him out of the mess, who would be the dream team personnel that could steer the ship away from The Rocks Well, they're already kind of there. I mean what could we have better? You know if we're thinking about MAGA personnel that you could plug in that could solve the problem that represents The Base Could you do much better than Kash Patel and Dan Bongino? Could you do much better than Vivek and not to say these are the best people ever but these are pretty MAGA people These are pretty outside-the system people to bring in And so you wonder if they can

26:34 And I'm gonna like, I just have to say this. I got a bunch of calls the last three weeks and the calls go like this what do you want? And I've never asked for anything what i want is good policy. I always want to be the outsider and I was like what do I...what do I want? I want make America great again! I want America first so there's a real understanding in this administration that we're it we're in charge this is the way it is and the fact that I get these calls the top of administration and they're just cutting, they're cut and dry. What do you want? And I'm just like uh-huh...and again the horror of Hakeem Jeffries and Pocahontas is right there! That's why i'm in this paradox where I'm like whoa.... And so I mean I fear, I feel disaster. I'm gonna be honest with viewers. I have nothing I can do but to tell the truth.

27:41 Just in a nightmare because the Democrats are pure satanic scum We know they are and you've got all this delusions of grandeur people that know Trump well say it's beyond megalomania He does not care. He does whatever he wants, which is good to don't care about Democrats He doesn't even respond their attacks anymore because he literally Doesn't care and thinks he's invincible And now he's negotiating with Russia and China, North Korea and Iran. And just a week ago had a meeting with Zelensky said maybe we'll give you heavy bombs to bomb Moscow. And now they may overthrow Zelensky so you get this idea that it's like the swirling crazy town. You have last week the CIA director at that meeting they had, the cabinet meeting and Ratcliffe literally leans back goes

28:38 like demoning out in the meeting going like, and I'm just like. I'm literally looking at places to run to in the southern hemisphere for nuclear war and I'm not that kind of guy that runs my instincts are run, run, run. And then the Democrats want defeat Trump and the Democrats want to rape our kids and I know they're bad. And then you got all this crazy Trump delusion I smell death and so Europe and Chicago, Austin big cities. This is real world stuff so at this point what listeners of yours know let me ask you a stick comment to just the Armageddon flavor of this but then larger issue

29:27 Is there any way to extricate Trump? Is there any path in your view out of this or what do we do because obviously, the behavior over the last three weeks on Epstein is not Trillium DHS. It is flailing anger or it's covering something up I mean you can't lie about what this is which I've been saying that I don't know what it is I think it's over. I think it's over for him and look, he is gonna be the president for the next few years and he will deliver some tangible benefits It's not all bad from a policy point of view He has closed the border And maybe there can be some effort that's being made on debanking in free speech I would say that as one of great net positives Even though he didn't even really delivered that I would argue that was more Elon Musk

30:23 Actually, with Trump it's the reverse. They're going to bring back TikTok but now there is going to be censorship and I don't know if you saw but they just negotiated this deal where they are going to have a new footnotes feature on TikTok or its like a fact check its like the fake news thing that Facebook did so You know, there may be some more leeway in terms of free speech. I've heard there might be some better regulations for debanking that might go away this reputational harm might be eliminated as a consideration from the Federal Reserve for banks. There will be good trade deals. I think some of the trade deals like with the European Union like with these Asian countries, there will be some tangible benefits without being said Trump is still a lame duck here

31:04 He is a lame duck president and many of the aspects of this presidency, they're just not living up to what needs to happen. And there's no future for him politically I don't even think if he was eligible to run we would want to vote for him yet another time in 2028 So like i said last year, I think what the MAGA base has to do is sort of recognize We still need to use what we can get out of this You know maybe we could have people work in The White House There are many groipers that are in this administration That are building their resumes That's a good thing. People should still be doing that, and there are people like you and I that are benefiting from the free speech renaissance on Rumble on X. We will benefit from that and from the debanking regulations but separately at the same time we have to start to imagine

31:48 to your point, that question what do you want? What do we want after Trump because when he leaves office and most likely pardons himself. You and I will still be here picking up the pieces. And even to the extent that we criticize Trump or have criticized Trump it will make no difference when the left persecutes us so even though i didn't vote for him even though you've been fair and objective and critical It will make no difference when the Democrats come in and clap back on all of us on the entire right wing And we will not get a presidential pardon. So, we'll be sweeping up after him one way or the other. We have to start to think what is our lives? What is our political movement? What is MAGA, the populist America First Movement? What will it be when Trump sunsets

32:32 And I think he's already in a meaningful way sunsetted. There's just nothing new there. It's not dynamic, it's not progressive, it's not forward thinking. It's just sort of static and waiting to be resolved, waiting for him to exit stage left. We have to start to think in 2028 what is the next phase? What does the next booster rocket After Trump decouples, what will that be? So let's speak to that. What is the next phase because Trump did not defend free speech when I got taken off and you got taken off everything Elon Because only a credit where Sue he is the champion of that they ran him out with Susie Wells didn't like him But we're all living under that umbrella Trump wouldn't have gotten in without Elon in my view what was your view on that and And so what does the Elon wild card there?

33:21 Well, what is interesting about Elon is introducing this America party. I'm actually interested to see where that goes and what the outcome of that is will tell us a lot about the dynamics in 2028 because clearly both parties are breaking up. having this spectacular crash out or some would argue it's maybe dying with a whimper. I think that it's a good thing because you see that both the right and the left, 10 years after Trumpism are disintegrating the left does not know where to go and there is this big battle going on right now in the left between the radical progressives and the liberal establishmentarians. Yeah let's be clear the left has the lowest approval rating in their history

34:03 No fundraising, they're flatlined and then Trump commits political suicide saying don't look at Epstein. I mean it's just insane But I don't think that's a bad thing, because the left has been disintegrated by Trump. Trump has utterly defeated them and sort of like the Soviet Union like Trump matching them and just being tough an outlasting them they have sort of killed themselves with woke ism with the purity spiral with the inherent contradictions. They are disintegrated there just not an effective operative You see this with like Cory Booker giving this ridiculous speech, like that's their guy. Bernie Sanders seems to be the only one with a doctrine he is 90 years old. Zoran Mamdani wants to do socialism it's not working but now the right is also disintegrating due to the contradictions of Trumpism so its like Trump has killed the left and he is also killing the right such that on the left you have this progressive liberal split

35:01 On the right, you have a split now with the Silicon Valley people hopping off. The anti-war people hopping off the Q conspiracy people hopping off like all things coming apart and now that Elon is talking about 1 third party an America party that's based on center right common sense policy it's going to be free speech H1Bs this sort of thing its creating an opening the first act You know, according to the Kabbalists in creation they say is to create an opening. I'm not a Kabbalist by the way but this is what they say They say the first act is to create an opening at container and I was such a believer that Trump needed to lose for that to happen maybe he needed to win for that to happen

35:43 But now that Trump is sort of crashing and burning, new options are coming forward. Powerful people like Elon and Tucker are articulating alternative pathways forward. There is now just like for the first time a wide open playing field in 16 it was like Clinton and Bush those were your options. Trump scattered the ashes of the Bush dynasty defeated the Clintons defeated the Obamas defeated the Bidens Now it's just like a wide open playing field after all this And this is where we can really begin to create. I agree, so definitely the spell of Israel lobby being able to do whatever they want and say it's a shut up that's over and all the other spells are broken right now. So is there any way for Trump to resurrect himself and pull out of this?

36:32 I don't think so. But, look people will eventually move on you know how it goes you've been doing this for longer than i have as long as i've been alive and you know how it goes especially now more than ever a story is in the news for a week and then people forget now this is going to leave a mark this is gonna have lasting damage but just like everything else in a few months if people forget and that's optimistic fundamental miscalculations i don't mean trump But his advisors, people very close to him have told me in the last year they go it's beyond megalomania. He literally thinks he's invincible and he- he's delusional now and I'm being honest with viewers right now And they're very concerned and now you see it The fact that he thought they could put a memo out which he wrote Which he had written which I told people day one They said oh your traitor or no it was Panbandi No it was him he admitted later

37:26 to say he killed himself, he acted alone. There was no human trafficking there are no files it is suicidal politically but it came out of his grandiose extreme arrogance and I get under pressure this is what he turned into because how could you deal with this pressure and not stop so you know Nick it's very paradoxical and every time I said look at this horror I then looked at Hakeem Jeffries and Pocahontas and AOC, and Ilhan Omar. And I just go okay i'm happy to cut Trump loose my listeners want me to and it feels good but then I go what is the second order response when I look at World War Z zombie army? That's where I like hit a brick wall I was like oh my god

38:23 Yeah, I think that...I don't think that's the worst case scenario to tell you the truth. I know that people don't want to see Trump go down because they worry about the left and things like that but i think the worst case scenario is that Trump at the end of the day was never a radical. He was- You say Trump putting us asleep is the problem? Exactly. I think complacency, I think Trump rolling us back into the system... One thing that people never mention is with Trump winning in 24 nobody's talking about the rigged elections anymore you notice that? Like Trump won in 24 and now people say there's polling on this they say we believe the elections are free and fair and it's all legit Now with these new advertisements The American Eagle, the Dunkin Donuts People say oh! The advertisements are great again

39:10 People are being rolled right back into the system, supporting more Middle East wars. Supporting more skilled immigration. They push and when it fails they flip right back to put us to sleep. Oh we're in 1985 everything's fine They play both sides. When the left is losing cache, they flip to the right and people say we won the revolution succeeded. So I think that yeah, you said it succinctly Trump lulling us to sleep, the complacency to me that was always the real threat with Trump disintegrating is actually presenting a real opportunity especially in the way he's disintegrating. So wait are you an accelerationist or what do you say?

39:47 I don't know that I'm an accelerationist. I am not rooting for the country to break apart, but I do believe that Trump occupying this seat is holding back something more right wing. I think that Trump is maybe a political accelerationist and what I mean by that is I don't want the worst case scenario to happen for America collapse so that then I'm not in acceleration accelerationists than that way. But in terms of the GOP- You wanna wake people up though? You wanna have the wakeup call Yeah, I think the controlled opposition needs to be defeated. We need to accelerate the political controlled opposition this way Why do they want you off the air? Let's just say it the NL runs it that's see why did they what are they scared about? Trying to bring ourselves in those folks were not hunter s Thompson but it's true Why did they want you off the air? Why don't want me out there? What are we doing with the power structure first and

40:45 Well, what they don't like about you is that you are an independent media outlet. You have too big of a studio, too big of an operation and too big of an audience. They want to control that I think with me, I never had an operation as big as yours. We get into it at different times in different circumstances and things like that. I think what they fear about me—and i've seen it even on TikTok The other day there was like this liberal kid and he goes, the left is not talking about the rise of Nick Fuentes. And that's a problem. The left is starting to like Nick Fuentes because he criticizes Trump I know and I hate saying my own name. is a novel and truly reactionary alternative to what we get even from the GOP. You know, in 16 they used to say—and maybe you remember this but in 15 and 16 they would say they hated Ted Cruz more than Trump because they said Ted Cruz was a true believer he's a true radical now I don't think that's true

41:46 But there is this premise that they never feared Trump as much because they recognized the Trump was a deal maker would make concessions. They recognize the Trump was not an ideologue, he really was a demagogue the whole time by definition whereas me my movement being very young being very fanatical and being very radical we do represent a threat in the sense that when all of these fake ideologies disintegrate what is going to be the strongest ship? What is going to be the Noah's Ark Well, that's why the NSA and documents are in leaks. They fear anybody they don't control if you get a group together so they fill leaders period so let me ask you this what is your prediction I know it's all dead reckoning for Trump what is the best scenario? What would you do to try to because he's here for three and half years was the best path out of this? What is the Democrats going to try

42:49 Trump's trying to stop these wars. That's a good thing overall he's doing a lot of great stuff on trade I mean, you know the cliche baby out with the bathwater but it's great to go Okay, Trump's got problems and that's another subject I want to ask you why is he covering up the Epstein thing because I've never seen any real evidence there? I'm in all over this so that's a whole other discussion It's just it's you must have had deal with Israel Yeah, I think there's maybe two very likely possibilities. And of course there are many others but to me these are the standouts One is that he wanted to avoid embarrassment I think that he knew his name was in there and his name was in the files in 2019 We just know this There were videos and photos He was friends with Epstein for many years So if there was a big disclosure he'd be named all over it

43:38 Maybe we'd learn something, maybe we'd learn nothing. But it would be a big shitstorm for him politically and so I think that one possibility is it was just a big misstep he did to avoid embarrassment. I think that's possible the other distinct possibility which I think is very likely is like you said there was a deal with Israel that his allies would be hurt by this. Maybe people like Peter Thiel, people like Netanyahu maybe there's unknown people yet undisclosed in the files it would be destabilizing for the political order and for the same reason he didn't lock up Hillary Clinton He is going to do this sort of a handshake

44:15 With the shadow government, with the deep state, with this international cabal whether it's Israel or the CIA really a difference without distinction. There was a handshake to just avoid pandemonium, to avoid a kind of me too level extinction event for certain class of elites. It is the same reason it is telling Nancy Pelosi came out and said we should not release the files. Now, why would Nancy Pelosi and Trump agree on something like this? It's probably because it's for the sake of political order or because they both have something to hide and they don't want to have a scandal So I think that those are distinct possibilities Maybe it is combination of two... No Ruthie so now there going to have hearings

44:57 Even Johnson's gonna use it against Trump, because he is a weasel. I'm not saying it's wrong to do it but he's doing for weasel purposes What is your prediction on this? Because my prediction as I said 24 days ago is This has doom written all over it They're gonna go all the way to the wall with us And if and if Trump doesn't release all the Epstein files and go after The Deep State For crossfire hurricane what you're taking on that too and all this talk about treason charges and things, then he's doomed. Because whoever convinced him or himself to sign on to the Epstein cover-up has now become everything he claimed it was against. I mean, he did that! And my listeners get mad that i'm not like

45:43 covering it up, I can't do that. And some then take us out of context when I work at him and go oh you're covering it up? No I'm covering every angle. This is a disaster so Nick there's a lot of questions there why do you think he covered it up what do you think should have come out how the Democrats think they can only limitedly expose him when they're heavily involved where do you see that going I agree, i think they're gonna keep pushing it you know because this is the first scandal that's really hurt Trump. All the other stuff nobody really believed the Russia gate, the Stormy Daniels but for the most part that never left a mark because there was this assumption among the base that look the Left is going to lie about Trump they're going to try everything they're throwing everything other than the kitchen sink and the rest of it

46:27 But this is something that it's just unavoidable. I mean, the Trump base these people like Kash Patel they played up the Epstein files for years. It's so brazen so this is going to leave a mark and now that the left has found something that is So effective super effective there just gonna hit this all day long now fortunately for trump There's this summer recess for the congress so they can punt this know that was even the best idea because when the Congress reconvenes, guess what they're gonna do? They are once again going to force the issue. So we're gonna pick up in September and the next legislative session on this and it's gonna happen simultaneous with the General Assembly of the United Nations where they're gonna recognize Palestine. It's gonna happen simultaneous with the deadline for another Iran nuclear deal

47:14 And this is gonna happen as Congress comes back and they're gonna force a vote on Thomas Massey in the Democrats resolution to get all the files unsealed from the DOJ on Epstein. I started to say this earlier, that conventional wisdom would say he's gonna pull out of this people will... They're going to stop paying attention- That's not what I smell. ...to find something else. I don't smell that, I smell really bad. Yeah, and that's what I was about to say. I think it just gets worse and worse. As you said it is doomed. It's a dreadful feeling that it's just going to be one shoe to drop after the next. 50 shoes are gonna drop after this and we're gonna hurdle into the mid-terms then its gonna be an issue then were gonna open up the Republican presidential primary and it's gonna be an issue and they're gonna hit in this from here until the next election. So how do we as America First populist salvage something

48:07 Whether we abandon Trump or not, folks. This looks bad. What do we do to continue our America First policy and extricate ourselves from this? I think we need to use this as an opportunity. This is a historic opportunity in the way that maybe even Trump wasn't, to go further than Trump because Trump was able to go so far because people were so angry with what they were getting from both sides. That's why people tolerated Trump. Now that Trump has even disappointed them and he was supposed to be the revolution, I feel like this is momentum

48:47 You know, some people look at this as dreadful. I look at this is kind of like momentum. This is an explosion of energy that can propel maybe something even more anti establishment into the four you know when people like liberals were pointing out Trump is losing with the younger demographic Trump's approval among 18 to 25 is crashing out more than any other demo The old people don't care but the young people are furious about this And the left said, oh this is great. He's the rebel and this is the main issue and he thought he had the political cachet to say shut up A person with a 70 IQ would have known that was a disastrous move which goes to mental acuity of him and his advisors

49:33 But in particular with the young people, and I agree because he thought he could do it but he didn't. The young people are leaving and the left is telling us great Trump is losing the youth this is a great day for the left. But Trump is losing the youth not because the youth are going to the left. He's losing the youth because they're more right wing than Trump Trump has created a generation of Nick Fuentes and Groypers. That's my next question, I saw you talk about this and I like Charlie Kirkham on his enemy and I think he's been brought along but they're literally having struggle sessions now when you've been banned from their events up there when you get taken out by police the fact that they tried to ban you from the building only made you bigger do a little short thing on that

50:17 Sure, well you know last week they did this Turning Point struggle session on Israel. And what I said on my show is that for many years back in 2019, I came at Turning Point USA as a critic from the right Turning Point was considered the right most youth organization in the country. And they were the gladiators against the left, they were the most pro-Trump, the most right wing. Then here comes the groipers that are saying you're not right wing enough on social issues, on immigration and identity and in particular Israel And their first response back in 19 was to ban us. They banned me from their events, they kicked the gropers out, they fired the gropers that were sympathetic in their organization and they tried to ignore us. They tried to purge us, they try to pretend we didn't exist

51:05 Fast forward six years later and their whole organization is filled with groipers. Their events are filled with groipers, the youth is about as right wing as me maybe they're even more right wing than me even. And so Charlie Kirk- And again in a quote of mine they had literally an event with their people about this now That's right. And last week they had to hold this struggle session where they are very aware of this problem that at their events, they have people crying out for something that is truly America first, that is authentic, that's going to call out Israel and so the host this session where they're basically trying to mediate and they're sort of putting themselves in this position like they have power over the conversation. The youth are already super far right, they come in and say we're going to mediate this transition to the far right as if they control that at all, as if they have any say

51:57 And so they bring in all their chapter leaders, they bring in some of the members of their organization and they have this what is supposed to be a focus group where they have an honest conversation about Israel. And one by one Charlie Kirk says when you say Israel what's the first thing that comes to mind? And one by one, the chapter leaders of Turning Point USA, the biggest right-wing campus group. They say the first word that comes to mind Mossad genocide APAC foreign lobbying foreign wars Things that were unthinkable six years ago, things that almost nobody was talking about 6-7 years ago. And Charlie Kirk is there basically trying to mediate this and say well you don't hate Israel you just have some moderate criticisms Well we still support Israel We still love Israel and we don't have any problems with Judaism but you just have some narrow

52:52 I'm glad Charlie Kirk's waking up people at colleges. The point is, you got exorcised and sent into oblivion. You got put into exile and there is no doubt Nick That your ideas and what you're saying are dominant within their own organization. And this is just emblematic of everything right now, and so where do you see this ending?

53:34 Well, I don't know the future because it's like you talked about earlier. You just don't know what's going on with Trump. You don't know what's gonna happen next when Congress comes back. But if we play our cards right the way that it should end is that we view Trump as a stepping stool. I don't believe that Trump he was never the ends in itself. The end was America first and we thought Trump was leader to get us there now I don't think that Trump was all bad. I'm not a Trump hater, I think that he did a lot of good for the country but in my opinion he was always the first step. He was always going to hand the baton to somebody else. He was planting a seed, he was destroying institutions. He was kind of like a necessary first part of a long story and so if we play our cards right and are smart

54:22 What happens next is we decouple from Trump. And like he did, we imagine what is the next step of this? What do we want and we take the baton from Trump and from this administration and we take it forward in 2028. We take it forward in 2032 and we look for a young avatar of this new movement that can run for office maybe as a congressman- So who you think that is? Is there anybody out there I don't know anybody in particular. People say Thomas Massey, I don't think he'll be the guy Dan Bilzerian has talked about running for office maybe it will be somebody like him Maybe it's somebody we haven't heard of yet It could be somebody this is a big country It could be someone that nobody knows their name yet Yeah I think all you know is just the fuck word He is a little jocular but I wouldn't underestimate him I'm not against him Dude do you have any vocabulary?

55:18 But yeah, I know what you mean. Hopefully if he runs for office maybe clean it up a little bit certainly clean up the language. I might run for office at some point. Um, I think at this point in time, I see myself more as like a Vanguard and I think on maybe more powerful not in the campaign because you get into campaign and then they turn it into well, got it. You're more like John the Baptist out there. So we got some more time left. I want to take a break and maybe open up the phones over 20 minutes or something. I'm not sure but we called it a bank cause is a debate and I saw the stuff he said and I get it. You could take what I said of context. I am horrified.

56:15 I'm not going to sign on to that because i've never sold out to the democrats they offer me all this money. I'm not gonna sell out and out of a lie, you got Suzy Wiles wants to keep fluoride in the water and mRNA shots they're trying to block Kennedy fires their people but then I want to throw Trump out because I'm seeing a real struggle in his administration which normally there's no struggle it's just lockstep so To me, this is really paradoxical and all I can do is just tell listeners what I'm seeing. And say this is what I'm seeing because something that's complex don't have the answers to but we have to have a larger discussion about what are we gonna do if Trump has a heart attack next week? What would the Democrat... Let me ask you this Nick. What would've happened last year in Butler if Trump got his head blown off? What would've come out of that?

57:10 Well, I think that Nikki Haley would have taken the nomination to tell you the truth because Trump at Butler he had not yet chosen a VP. The only other person in the primary with any delegates was Nikki Haley there would have been an open convention. at the RNC. And of course, and the reason I say this is because look, there would have been pandemonium. There would have been who even knows maybe riots may be violence maybe something like this but without a doubt there would be this unbelievable mandate that'd be like get a Republican in and declare martial law but the question is who would that fall to? And I think it would've been like a Nikki Haley coup or like Iran DeSantis coup they would've been crowned and propelled by the martyrdom of Trump. They woulda gotten into office

57:54 Everything that they're running the playbook right now, they would have done it with a vengeance. Yeah well and You know, the right in my opinion is being empowered right now because of October 7th. I think that when you look at all this anti-left wing action it is propelled and maybe this is one dimensional but this what I see It's being propelled by the Jewish oligarchy in America That got woken up by October 7th And that why he got Bill Ackman saying Harvard is too woke and Sean McGuire as a Trump supporter they're driving this big right-wing tilt and it's because they want to crush anti-semitism and they want to crush Palestine. So I think what Trump... And what is so paradoxical is, its been the main Jewish lobby funding the Islamic invasion because it's anti-western and now they suddenly wake up to it. Let's go to break let's come back and talk about that

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1:06:47 Alright, well I appreciate Nick Fuentes really smart guy being with us tonight. Nick J. Fuentes on Rumble and on X. We're gonna end this in about 30 minutes we're going to take a few calls right now call it a debate i mean it is a discussion I would say more of awake and and I don't want to agree with him totally that Trump's done I think there's some chance to extricate this but as I said three plus weeks ago before even came out this is Trump and going against what he promised to do, the Epstein thing has created a wedge the Democrats are coming after. But then look at all the other issues and how it's so much better than them on others and I want to keep the House, I want to keep the Senate

1:07:31 And the Democrats are destroying themselves right now. It's very paradoxical So the toll-free number to make your comment or question to Nick Foyntes or myself here tonight is 877 789 2539 877 789 Alex 877 789 2 5 3 9 we'll just take five six seven calls and then we'll let Nick get out of here, but Do you have any? inkling in your political repertoire or vision of a path to Trump extricating himself. It's not just the Epstein thing, that's just emblematic I agree with you and I know the behind-the-scenes stuff of not that he's implicated it just the arrogance they'll shut up if i tell him too and now he sees us not the case and then the different scenarios

1:08:26 of where this goes. So what is your positive vision versus your negative vision? I don't really have a big positive vision for him. And the reason for that is because he has no ability to renew, we both know in the first term it was a lot of disappointments and a lot of unforced errors and failure. We were looking for the second term to restart. He's got a lay of land, he's got personnel, he's got expertise, we thought he was going to make it better but it's all the same mistakes. This is a very old guy

1:09:03 This kind of is the second chance and he's blowing it. If he had the capability to reinvent himself at this point in time, which I don't think he does, you got a clean house or you gotta get a new chief of staff, you gotta get new personnel and you would really need an intention to flip the script. And you would need to say the Epstein files are going out and use them to go after your enemies. It's like you said, we're kinda in agreement on this even if All of this has happened. If he went after his opponents like Clinton and Obama and Comey and Clapper, if he raised some of these departments and agencies to the ground and did the mass deportations, he would be forgiven!

1:09:44 You know, he's a lame duck and that could cut both ways. You could say nothing new can come out of it. He can't win again at the same time you would say he could kind of burn the house down on his way out meaning not necessarily destructive but he could really go for it and he could really go for the institutions and really go for these bad people And this is a crisis, this is like a hot potato. He has it, pass it to the next person double and then pass it to Hillary Clinton. Why is he caught holding the bag and dying with the Epstein thing? So if I were him and I'm not him but if I was, you can kind of see that he's doing this. He's flirting with the idea take this political football, hunt it use it to blow up the left use it to blow up the Democrat side use it to raise some of these intelligence agencies

1:10:30 Use this to split with Israel, you know. And some of this other stuff there's... There's opportunities on the table for him to have like a second wind, like a second act here in this already bad start for the second term. I just have no faith that he is going to take it because what that would involve? I don't think he is capable of it. I don't think he is willing it and that sad but if I were him, that's what I would do you know never let a crisis go to waste. You got Suzy Wiles so who do you see as a villain in this administration Suzy Wiles, Brooke Rollins. I would say this John Ratcliffe at the CIA these are all terrible choices. I think probably the better people are Tulsi Gabbard even her I don't trust though i'm going to tell you truth I don't trust her and I don't trust JD Vance. I think he's a yes man. I think that he is a chameleon

1:11:22 But those would be the people that I would get rid of right out of the gate. The chief of staff, CIA director, Tulsi Gabbard she's not even doing a good job as the DNI you know we need someone... I would say she is ideologically presented more sound She's not doing a good job. I would just purge the whole thing, I think Christine Noem has got to go she is way more focused on the former campaign manager Corey Lewandowski than she is on immigration. I would say that Stephen Miller has gotta go contrary to what people say he's just got to purged the whole lot of them because There's no results. And when there's no results, people got to go. But I would start with Wiles Rollins, Christie gnome John Ratcliffe, Tulsi Gabbert because she's not doing a good job Pete Hicks, Seth, cause he's malleable even though some say he's on side Rubio. He's gotta go yesterday. He's terrible. Those would be the ones I get rid of and then everybody else I get rid of the day after. Rubio literally threatened to attack me physically but he seems to be singing from a manga script. What's wrong? Rubio

1:12:22 I've heard that and that's been a line. I've heard on social media, but there was this memo that came out the other day he is pushing the president to take a tougher line on Russia China Venezuela Iran He is leading the charge to take people citizenship at the state department and deport them for antisemitism He was pushing some of the regime change stuff against Iran So let me ask you this I'm sure you have seen The ambassador Israel Send a letter two weeks ago saying please stop attacking Christians and the settlers are attacking Christian ancient churches in the West Bank and other areas. And you know even the huge Christian Zionist, the former governor of Arkansas is coming out saying please stop! Now they've burned down more churches What do you make of that behavior?

1:13:17 I think it's a load of crap. people have been forced to defend and put up with. So I think when Mike Huckabee says they're putting pressure on Israel not to attack Christians, I think that's performative and the reason i think it's performative is because look Washington holds all the cards with all of them we give them the weapons like they are totally dependent on us. No no I'm not denying that I'm saying why would Israel be blowing up churches in firebombing ancient Christian settlements

1:14:04 When the Protestant Christian Zionists send them billions a year, it just shows. Let's put it to the next level." I think they've lost control. I think even to some extent the IDF—I mean they're shooting people in the back of their head getting aid and those are Muslims. They're blowing up churches. That church, the cardinal there, Isabella, he was calling Pope Francis every day as Pope Francis prayed for Gaza and you know the Israelis had to hate that. They hate that the Catholic Church is speaking out against the war. They hate that every time something happens, the Catholic Church calls for Israel to stop the invasion. They hate that Francis was calling the church and so I think

1:14:45 whether it came from the top or whether it was freelancing in the IDF, they said you know what? It's time to let's take a shot at these Catholics. Enough calling for the end of the war enough praying for the people of Gaza I think they are just totally bloodthirsty and emboldened. The way they've been conducting this entire thing with the aid sites there clearly embolden because whether it's shooting the church and as a Catholic I'm mortified that such a horrible thing But at the same time, they're also murdering and starving people to death while even Trump and the Europeans are telling them you gotta feed these people. You're talking about Gaza-belonged church? They're now burning down the West Bank Christian communities

1:15:28 Well, and here's my point is I think that the Israelis just don't care. You know? That's kind of my point is if the Israelis cared about winning over the public and getting people on their side they would have been doing a lot of things differently whether it's the Christian communities in Gaza or the West Bank The settlers that are spitting on the Christian missionaries there That's what Huckabee was referring to And that something has been going for a long time To the extent that Huckabee's taking up that issue, I think that's damage control. I think that's a big farce. No, he wants to get all of that money and leads those groups there so then the larger question is looking at Russia and Ukraine and Trump with the 10-day ultimatum issued two days ago to Russia where do you see that going?

1:16:15 I think it's going where you think it's going. I think it's going nuclear, this is an escalation and like everything else Trump only knows one language which is escalation and these maximalist demands the reason that he's making this 10 day ultimatum because he has bent over backwards to make a deal with Putin and he's gone through these big gestures meeting with them in Riyadh in the first few weeks A very high level meeting, the Secretary of State and the Foreign Minister. He's made these overtures to normalize relations and Putin is not biting. Putin is not giving him anything. Trump is throwing Zelensky under the bus he's going against the Europeans and Putin will not give him an inch. And so I think Trump is just like everything else, he's pissed off

1:16:56 And he's just saying, you know what? F this guy. That's effectively where we are. It's basically what he's saying. He's saying look Putin doesn't want to end the war okay no more Mr Nice Guy You want Joe Biden back I'll give you Joe Biden on steroids it's the same thing he did with China it's the same thing he did with Canada with some of the tariffs it's the same thing he did with the Houthis. No I agree with you so why is Russia not making a deal because Russia's winning. Russia is in the middle of this summer offensive, the warfare is all drone-based, Russia's leading the way on the battlefield and innovation they've got these fiber optic drones they're attached by a cable and so they are making more advances into Ukraine this summer than they have basically since the beginning of the war since the very beginning. And it's going to go that way.

1:17:43 Right, and Ukraine has no counter for that right now. So there's this rapid innovation happening on the battlefield Russia is leading it and I think that why is Russia going to give up now? They're gobbling up all this land and they're saying maybe they'll make a deal in the future but they want to get as much as they can before they make a deal And so both sides are being greedy The United States is being greedy, Russia's being greedy. Russia wants to have the best position and make a deal so does the United States. And so they're both saying we don't wanna make it but especially Russia saying we don't wanna make a deal just yet, we wanna take more then we'll make a deal when we're in a better position. So- I agree with you on that but Democrats what are their aces in holes? They've been saying Tom Holman is gonna kill migrants clearly setting up a false flag

1:18:30 They've been wanting a summer of rage, you know the no King's protests that all failed. You know the hitman up there killing people says he works for tampon Tim where one of the Democrats do I think they still don't know. They appear to still be in disarray, there is no leader of the Democrats, there's no strong messaging what they will run on in the next year is The Big Beautiful Bill which is extremely unpopular. They're gonna run on corporate tax cuts for Medicaid fighting the oligarchy fighting the king, the immigration stuff and Epstein that's going to be their playbook as far as instability. I do agree that the deep state

1:19:11 It's clear they're ginning up something and the question is really more like are we going to get an Israeli false flag or a Democrat false flag first? Are we gonna get some kind of ICE false flag by the Democrats, are we gonna get a Hamas Hezbollah false flag. That's the question of why. Netanyahu ran 9-11 he's planning on doing that Or will we get both false flags on the illegal aliens I think it's kind of a foregone conclusion and we might even get something organic. You know, the left they really have no options in the sense that yeah they might have something where they're really leaning into this thing where They're saying that illegal immigrants are being stripped of their civil liberties or legal immigrants are getting caught up in the dragnet That doesn't even seem to be working What is going to happen though Is another left wing nut job is gonna kill a bunch of people And that is gonna sink them So

1:20:04 We're going to take a few calls on you go and it's been a good discussion. In your view, if you were Trump what would you do to extricate yourself from the path he is on right now? Is there any way to say what Trump is doing? The only pathway is forward always forward so look if he gets hit over Epstein he has got to give the base more take advantage of the crisis maybe it wasn't 5D chess obviously but play like it was anyway If there's this big demand for the files, just act like you were playing it that way anyway. Dump the stuff on the Clintons dump the stuff on these people go out even use it as leverage against Israel. Exactly. That is a no brainer so why won't he do it?

1:20:51 I don't know, it depends on what's in them. And maybe that raises a question is it a mutually assured destruction? Like that seems to me to be the obvious because that's what people say they say why did Biden not use it against Trump? Why won't Trump use it against the Democrats probably because there's mutually sure destruction if the Democrats used it on Trump they would burn up- Which is the dangerous game Senator Wyden trying to get Epstein bank records of the Democrats are doing the DOJ I totally agree, it's a piece of destruction. So why are they doing? Cuz I don't think these Congress people realize what they're doing. Yeah, they're playing a dangerous game then again it's a generational thing maybe the Democrats think that it's not gonna hurt him that bad. It's these guys like Bill Clinton Epstein's operation was really the labor-labor Democrat alliance from the 90s labor in the UK labor and Israel the Dems in the United States

1:21:46 That was in the 90s. So I think maybe some of the younger guys are thinking we're gonna push on this, it's hurting Trump. Maybe it's like this effect where they just wanna hit Trump by any means necessary so maybe they're not aware of the risks- Why is Trump covering it up? I keep repeating the same question It's just it's idiotic because if he had thought he was involved that would have supported him. That's why in the end, it's all turn his ass in a second But then why is he acting guilty when I don't see evidence of it Yeah, I mean that's the million dollar question. Because we don't know what's in him we can only speculate and since he is in them, he is named in them, he knows he is named in them you got to know that he must be worried about an indictment or even the appearance of impropriety which could lead to impeachment. That's the other thing as he is in office so if we lose the midterms, if the Republicans lose the midterms

1:22:41 and something is damning in those files, they'll impeach him. Maybe he's worried about that? So let me ask you this before we take a few calls what do you think is going to happen with this crossfire hurricane talking about indictments more talk I think it's all talk. They've talked and talked about that, but I'm not gonna hold my breath for them to bring charges. It's a load of crap every time very frustrating you and we get were the victims of lawfare somehow all of our enemies even though we win the White House twice they never do it. Think it's honestly infuriating don't talk about it Do it Trump post these AI edits of him like arresting Obama Yeah You're the president you don't need make a cartoon about it Do it pick up

1:23:17 phone, sign the damn executive order and you do it. And MAGA needs to get better about that. MAGA loves taking the bait and they see a funny post on True Social and go LOL this is the best... Dude I'm sick of advertisements in AI edits he's the president make something happen take action there's a lot of forgiveness if he would reward his base, but he does nothing. And that's the problem so and then the base needs to get better about being vocal about that and stick up for themselves they're afraid You know, they're defending Trump. They're negotiating with themselves. We need to ask better of Trump. No, I agree because as soon as you and others came out three weeks ago on Trump's this is insane the whole influencer thing attacked us and said we were Democrats now they have to admit oh god this was a disaster are they getting talking points or but obviously these people are a joke

1:24:11 They're totally getting talking points, that's clear because they're all running the same script. Every real authentic patriot is pissed about the Epstein files because it's indefensible. I mean we've all seen it we all know what it is. It's literally indefensible the way its been handled and all they can bring themselves to say about it is these talking points about oh well Trump kicked Epstein out of his club Oh, well you know it's really a Democrat thing. Oh it's five dimensional chess so its literally being coordinated in group chats A script has gone out they're being paid by PAX or something like Influensible or something like that and people should take note of who is defending this No I agree but to be clear I'm just trying to figure out a way out of this and war gaming it But it looks progressively worse every day And then I just ask myself

1:25:03 Why did Trump have to destroy himself on this hill? There's not evidence and That's the big question. That is the big question art Nick's been very nice to do this interview of this debate And I want to let him go soon The crews been here some since 6 a.m.. So let's go ahead and take a few phone calls will move quickly Your questions or comments for Nick Foyntes Nate J Fuentes on rumble and on X. I'm a Rolex Jones, but this is really This is integrity folks. We're wargaming it, there's not a script we're trying to figure this out I feel like it's awake actually. I mean I'm horrified! I just have nothing else to say other than my god if Trump doesn't start indicting people and they don't release the Epstein files very soon then

1:25:51 It is going as my own personal interest. These Democrats I know are evil, want to put me in prison but I cannot join with something that's a lesser evil so My guts torn out my ass right now But i've got to tell the truth and I am all right let's go to Ethan in Alabama you're on the air Go ahead you're on here Hey how ya doing? Go ahead Yes, just forgive me a little bit. I'm a little nervous because you guys are both my inspiration especially Nick. I just recently became a boy for...I don't mean to take all the time but um... Listen stop apologizing! You're on the air what's your point?

1:26:29 Okay, so my question to you Alex was if Nick were by chance to start a global war against like the Trump movement. Like would she be in? Like would she be apart of the movement because I'm getting tired of these Judeo Catholics Judeo Christians and the office dictating our government and I just let me respond that three weeks ago. I came out day one and said this is BS within hours of it breaking. And I've tried to figure it out since, so I am at war with the Republican establishment trying to control Trump. So if Nick launched some war against Trump that he kind already has, I would then gauge and say do I agree with him? He kinda already did it. So you're kinda like behind the curve here. We're saying we want to get Trump steered back can he be salvaged? We are having a discussion about this

1:27:28 We know the Democrats are pure evil. Is that a first statement? Yeah, absolutely. We are and have been at war with Trump for a long time and I think that as you said if you watch your show you did come out on day one and it was highly publicized it was everywhere and you said this is reprehensible what Trump is doing And the question now is just in what form Is this going to take next? And I have some ideas but my first inclination- Let me stop here again exactly we're now looking at wreckage I'm gonna be honest, and I don't get up here to size him and say I've got all the answers. I am literally like been in a car wreck and the cars are all blown up people laying on the ground. We're trying to figure this out right Nick? Absolutely yeah you're right we don't know what's going on and we don't know the way forward but my first inclination is we have to punish them you know and i know people didn't like my tactics last year but my first instinct when I heard this is when Trump said I don't want your support

1:28:31 My first thought is that needs to be on billboards, that needs to be projected at rallies. Come to the midterms people need to say and remember that I don't want your support. You're right our only hope is killing his hubris like there's any salvaging him which it's actually working some he you know we try to say oh take the vaccine people backlash he backed off exactly exactly so is Trump gut level? Is Trump salvageable no gut level no We have to push anyway We have to push and either he will capitulate and we'll be surprised or we push, and we push into something new. And it becomes the basis of a new movement. Exactly! And then we get his orbit to do the right thing

1:29:15 Exactly, exactly right. And it's sort of like the first order something emerges out of the shell of Trumpism and we carry it forward is a four word must be the battle cry always forward I'm not a hater and I'm with you on that We don't want to be haters bitching about it as well this sucks were out No, we're in this we wanna see positive change and if Trump isn't gonna do what will carry it forward without him That's gotta be the message. Well exactly am not rooting against Trump I'm horrified And I'm, you're right to say that. I've tried the gymnastics war game it but i've been honest...I don't know and I am just disgusted. Uh Johnny in Florida you are on the air go ahead. Have you got me? Yes I gotcha Johnny go ahead

1:29:59 Alright look, I'm gonna tell y'all what kind of outstanding job you both did. But uh...I-I'm just gonna say this point blank that Nick Point has It's just like when Christ picked up that stone and said cast the...the ones amongst you cast the first stone Uh..uh..I'm not saying that because I'm a Christian I'm saying that cause that's a fact and it happened The only thing I can say is that Trump's gonna have a come to Jesus moment and he's going to pick up a stone and say, y'all throw the first stone at whoever is guilty. Other than that we don't build our nation upon hatred

1:30:41 We try to work with what we got and build it to be better. That's all I've got to say, and I appreciate both of you. I don't know that that applies. If they're all guilty of this, then they've all got to go. You know what i mean? We could say the Democrats are hypocrites but then we could say Trump is a hypocrite. No no, I agree but how do they use Epstein on him when their confirmed involved Yeah, again I think it depends on what's in the files which we don't know but at the same time Trump runs the DOJ so the onus is on him. You know? I mean...I'm really just not interested in that when people say Democrats and Republicans I say you're repeating yourself. You're talking about the same people So, you know, people want to make it about the Republicans versus Democrats and you know- No, I agree with Mike Johnson and Senator Thune

1:31:40 Trying to block and have fake Congressional resets so Trump doesn't get his nominees. I don't know what game they're playing with that, I think that you know That's leverage they have against Trump. I think that Mike Johnson is more loyal than Trump Well it shows that Trump is actually weak that they're doing that right? I think the John-I don't know about that necessarily I think that Johnson's doing it on Trump's behalf He's covering it up for Trump So you think he's doing a reset too cover though I do. I think John Thune wants leverage against Trump, Trump and Thune are not aligned but i think Johnson's covering it up on his behalf. Dave in FEMA region 9 that's on the west coast go ahead uh Dave you're only here with Nick Fuentes VIP members out here thank you Alex thanks Nick

1:32:30 So the Epstein list for me is not about Epstein. It's about exposing the people that raped children for decades, right? But unfortunately we live in a post-constitutional era and right now it's the legislative branch and the sociopathic control control of garks from past administrations deep embeds in the FBI CIA that are ruining our republic so I don't think that MAGA base is walking away from President Trump. whether the FBI is slow walking this or the DOJ's slow walking this, it's not going to prevent us from supporting the MAGA movement which is way bigger than President Trump. It's about we the people. The coup against President Trump in 16 and 20 and the one against President Biden, Buppitt in 2024 was not against those three figureheads it was again so we the people. So we will get a chance to destroy

1:33:28 this establishment class, these sociopathic control-a-garks.